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Nvda on Usb


Jarek.Krcmar
 

Hi all in this group,

I have created portable version on usb flashdisk.

I would like to know, what is better: have the portable Nvda single on Usb, or I must create a folder for it.

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Jarek


mattias
 

i have a copy on a usb hard drive works fine

On 2019-08-22 11:37, Jarek.Krcmar wrote:
Hi all in this group,

I have created portable version on usb flashdisk.

I would like to know, what is better: have the portable Nvda single on Usb, or I must create a folder for it.


 

It's been ages since I last played with this, but if memory serves once you've created the portable version of NVDA on a USB drive you are free to create a folder for it and move it there and/or create separate folders for other stuff on that drive.

We're not talking about a bootable drive, just a drive that has a portable edition of NVDA on it.   In all other respects the drive is free game for storing things in other folders.

I'm sure someone will correct me if my memory is not serving.
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Gene
 

You can have it wherever you want, in a folder or not, and copy or move it anywhere, to another drive, thumb, external hard drive, etc.
 
But to keep files from being splattered on the drive without a folder, I think its better to have the files in a folder.  If you don't, they will be on the root of the drive or thumb drive.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2019 9:08 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Nvda on Usb

It's been ages since I last played with this, but if memory serves once you've created the portable version of NVDA on a USB drive you are free to create a folder for it and move it there and/or create separate folders for other stuff on that drive.

We're not talking about a bootable drive, just a drive that has a portable edition of NVDA on it.   In all other respects the drive is free game for storing things in other folders.

I'm sure someone will correct me if my memory is not serving.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362  

The color of truth is grey.

           ~ André Gide

 

 


 

On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 10:17 AM, Gene wrote:
But to keep files from being splattered on the drive without a folder, I think its better to have the files in a folder.  If you don't, they will be on the root of the drive or thumb drive.
I agree.   Some things that create portable copies also create a dedicated folder for same, others don't, and NVDA doesn't.

If I intend to have a portable copy of NVDA on a drive where I want lots of other stuff, I do as you've said elsewhere, create an NVDA folder, and move everything there.

But knowing how NVDA behaves when creating a portable copy, I don't ever create those on a drive where I already have lots of other data, as picking up all the pieces and sweeping them into a dedicated NVDA folder becomes much more difficult.   Instead, I create that portable copy on a blank drive, create an NVDA folder on the drive where I actually want it, then copy over the content from the other drive with a simple "select all/CTRL+A" to get it all at once.

This is a "live and learn" situation with each and every piece of portable software, depending on the behavior of what creates it.
 
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Sarah k Alawami
 

I dedicate 1 drive for 1 piece of activity so for me nvda is in the / of the folder.

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On 22 Aug 2019, at 7:45, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 10:17 AM, Gene wrote:
But to keep files from being splattered on the drive without a folder, I think its better to have the files in a folder.  If you don't, they will be on the root of the drive or thumb drive.
I agree.   Some things that create portable copies also create a dedicated folder for same, others don't, and NVDA doesn't.

If I intend to have a portable copy of NVDA on a drive where I want lots of other stuff, I do as you've said elsewhere, create an NVDA folder, and move everything there.

But knowing how NVDA behaves when creating a portable copy, I don't ever create those on a drive where I already have lots of other data, as picking up all the pieces and sweeping them into a dedicated NVDA folder becomes much more difficult.   Instead, I create that portable copy on a blank drive, create an NVDA folder on the drive where I actually want it, then copy over the content from the other drive with a simple "select all/CTRL+A" to get it all at once.

This is a "live and learn" situation with each and every piece of portable software, depending on the behavior of what creates it.
 
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On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 10:48 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
I dedicate 1 drive for 1 piece of activity so for me nvda is in the / of the folder.
Not an unreasonable practice, but I'd have way too many USB thumb drives were this to be my standard practice!!   I try to keep my equipment clutter, including stuff like thumb drives, to the minimum possible.
 
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Sarah k Alawami
 

Yeah I have my stuff labeled so for me it's no big really. I's not the standard but for me it's works, and for me that's what I'll stick to.

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On 22 Aug 2019, at 8:08, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 10:48 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
I dedicate 1 drive for 1 piece of activity so for me nvda is in the / of the folder.
Not an unreasonable practice, but I'd have way too many USB thumb drives were this to be my standard practice!!   I try to keep my equipment clutter, including stuff like thumb drives, to the minimum possible.
 
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Kevin Cussick
 

Hi, agreed. it is to bad that Nvda still splatters the files all over the drive it should create an Nvda folder just saying.

On 22/08/2019 15:45, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 10:17 AM, Gene wrote:
But to keep files from being splattered on the drive without a
folder, I think its better to have the files in a folder.  If you
don't, they will be on the root of the drive or thumb drive.
I agree.   Some things that create portable copies also create a dedicated folder for same, others don't, and NVDA doesn't.
If I intend to have a portable copy of NVDA on a drive where I want lots of other stuff, I do as you've said elsewhere, create an NVDA folder, and move everything there.
But knowing how NVDA behaves when creating a portable copy, I don't ever create those on a drive where I already have lots of other data, as picking up all the pieces and sweeping them into a dedicated NVDA folder becomes much more difficult.   Instead, I create that portable copy on a blank drive, create an NVDA folder on the drive where I actually want it, then copy over the content from the other drive with a simple "select all/CTRL+A" to get it all at once.
This is a "live and learn" situation with each and every piece of portable software, depending on the behavior of what creates it.
--
Brian *-*Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362
*The color of truth is grey.*
           ~ André Gide


Luke Davis
 

On Thu, 22 Aug 2019, Brian Vogel wrote:

But knowing how
NVDA behaves when creating a portable copy, I don't ever create those on a drive where I already have lots of other data, as picking up all the pieces and
sweeping them into a dedicated NVDA folder becomes much more difficult. Instead, I create that portable copy on a blank drive, create an NVDA folder on
the drive where I actually want it, then copy over the content from the other drive with a simple "select all/CTRL+A" to get it all at once.
I don't understand. When creating a portable copy, the prompt says:

To create a portable copy of NVDA, please select the path and other options.
Portable directory:

At that point, you can just enter f:\nvda (if your USB disk was on drive F:), or whatever, and NVDA would be installed to that folder.

Why do you have to pick up any pieces, move them around, etc.?

Luke


On Thu, 22 Aug 2019, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 10:17 AM, Gene wrote:
But to keep files from being splattered on the drive without a folder, I think its better to have the files in a folder.  If you don't, they
will be on the root of the drive or thumb drive.
I agree.   Some things that create portable copies also create a dedicated folder for same, others don't, and NVDA doesn't.If I intend to have a portable
copy of NVDA on a drive where I want lots of other stuff, I do as you've said elsewhere, create an NVDA folder, and move everything there.But knowing how
NVDA behaves when creating a portable copy, I don't ever create those on a drive where I already have lots of other data, as picking up all the pieces and
sweeping them into a dedicated NVDA folder becomes much more difficult.   Instead, I create that portable copy on a blank drive, create an NVDA folder on
the drive where I actually want it, then copy over the content from the other drive with a simple "select all/CTRL+A" to get it all at once.This is a "live
and learn" situation with each and every piece of portable software, depending on the behavior of what creates it. --
Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362  
The color of truth is grey.
           ~ André Gide
 
 


 

On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 05:32 PM, Luke Davis wrote:
At that point, you can just enter f:\nvda (if your USB disk was on drive F:), or whatever, and NVDA would be installed to that folder.
Yes, you could.  You could also activate the browse button and navigate to a chosen folder.

But it's blank by default, and a great many people browse to the drive they want to use, and that's it.   There are lots of "browse" options in cases like this that would automatically post-pend the NVDA part, which a user would need to remove if they didn't want that folder.

People (and I include myself) are lazy and will most often take what the software does after a minimum of picking.   There are other factors involved, too.   Were the NVDA "create portable" always to create a dedicated NVDA folder on the destination device (even if that device were an existing folder) this would be a moot point.

I know what I observe happening "in the wild" and I know it won't likely change.   In this case a simple programming change could alleviate the issue.  It's all a matter of what one wants, and at least mentioning it.
 
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Kevin Cussick
 

well yes, quite. this is what I do but I think Brian was maybe saying that nvda should buy default make a folder where ever you extract and buy default call it nvda.

On 22/08/2019 22:32, Luke Davis wrote:
On Thu, 22 Aug 2019, Brian Vogel wrote:

But knowing how
NVDA behaves when creating a portable copy, I don't ever create those on a drive where I already have lots of other data, as picking up all the pieces and
sweeping them into a dedicated NVDA folder becomes much more difficult. Instead, I create that portable copy on a blank drive, create an NVDA folder on
the drive where I actually want it, then copy over the content from the other drive with a simple "select all/CTRL+A" to get it all at once.
I don't understand. When creating a portable copy, the prompt says:
To create a portable copy of NVDA, please select the path and other options.
Portable directory:
At that point, you can just enter f:\nvda (if your USB disk was on drive F:), or whatever, and NVDA would be installed to that folder.
Why do you have to pick up any pieces, move them around, etc.?
Luke
On Thu, 22 Aug 2019, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 10:17 AM, Gene wrote:
      But to keep files from being splattered on the drive without a folder, I think its better to have the files in a folder.  If you don't, they
      will be on the root of the drive or thumb drive.

I agree.   Some things that create portable copies also create a dedicated folder for same, others don't, and NVDA doesn't.If I intend to have a portable
copy of NVDA on a drive where I want lots of other stuff, I do as you've said elsewhere, create an NVDA folder, and move everything there.But knowing how
NVDA behaves when creating a portable copy, I don't ever create those on a drive where I already have lots of other data, as picking up all the pieces and
sweeping them into a dedicated NVDA folder becomes much more difficult.   Instead, I create that portable copy on a blank drive, create an NVDA folder on
the drive where I actually want it, then copy over the content from the other drive with a simple "select all/CTRL+A" to get it all at once.This is a "live
and learn" situation with each and every piece of portable software, depending on the behavior of what creates it. --

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362

The color of truth is grey.

           ~ André Gide








Jarek.Krcmar
 

Hi Gene and all,

I have created folder called Nvda and Then I moved all files of Nvda to it.

Thank you very much.


Jarek
Dne 22.08.2019 v 16:17 Gene napsal(a):

You can have it wherever you want, in a folder or not, and copy or move it anywhere, to another drive, thumb, external hard drive, etc.
 
But to keep files from being splattered on the drive without a folder, I think its better to have the files in a folder.  If you don't, they will be on the root of the drive or thumb drive.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2019 9:08 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Nvda on Usb

It's been ages since I last played with this, but if memory serves once you've created the portable version of NVDA on a USB drive you are free to create a folder for it and move it there and/or create separate folders for other stuff on that drive.

We're not talking about a bootable drive, just a drive that has a portable edition of NVDA on it.   In all other respects the drive is free game for storing things in other folders.

I'm sure someone will correct me if my memory is not serving.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362  

The color of truth is grey.

           ~ André Gide

 

 


 

On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 06:13 PM, Kevin Cussick wrote:
but I think Brian was maybe saying that nvda should buy default make a folder where ever you extract and buy default call it nvda.
And it wasn't just me that has said this.

"Portable copy makers" (I won't call them installers, because they are NOT installing anything) had ought to, as a matter of practice, create a dedicated folder, with a name that the end user would clearly recognize as being "the home of the thing I just created a portable copy of," in the location it's been told to place the portable copy.   Expecting end users to do this housekeeping in this day and age just isn't gonna happen (and, in reality and as these two topics have shown, doesn't happen and hasn't happened in my observation in a very, very long time).

It's just so much cleaner and less confusing for the end user.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362  

The color of truth is grey.

           ~ André Gide

 

 


Gene
 

And those without experience in placing a portable program on the hard drive, would quite possibly expect this to be done because their experience using zip or other extraction programs is as you describe.  If you extract an archive, a folder is created to contain the extracted files. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, August 23, 2019 9:04 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Nvda on Usb

On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 06:13 PM, Kevin Cussick wrote:
but I think Brian was maybe saying that nvda should buy default make a folder where ever you extract and buy default call it nvda.
And it wasn't just me that has said this.

"Portable copy makers" (I won't call them installers, because they are NOT installing anything) had ought to, as a matter of practice, create a dedicated folder, with a name that the end user would clearly recognize as being "the home of the thing I just created a portable copy of," in the location it's been told to place the portable copy.   Expecting end users to do this housekeeping in this day and age just isn't gonna happen (and, in reality and as these two topics have shown, doesn't happen and hasn't happened in my observation in a very, very long time).

It's just so much cleaner and less confusing for the end user.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362  

The color of truth is grey.

           ~ André Gide

 

 


molly the blind tech lover
 

Hi.

When I created a portable copy of NVDA I  created a folder which I first placed on my flash drive. It helps to give the folder a specific name that you will remember. After the portable copy was placed in to the folder I then renamed the screen reader file  so I could easily find it.  

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, August 23, 2019 10:27 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Nvda on Usb

 

And those without experience in placing a portable program on the hard drive, would quite possibly expect this to be done because their experience using zip or other extraction programs is as you describe.  If you extract an archive, a folder is created to contain the extracted files. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, August 23, 2019 9:04 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Nvda on Usb

 

On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 06:13 PM, Kevin Cussick wrote:

but I think Brian was maybe saying that nvda should buy default make a folder where ever you extract and buy default call it nvda.

And it wasn't just me that has said this.

"Portable copy makers" (I won't call them installers, because they are NOT installing anything) had ought to, as a matter of practice, create a dedicated folder, with a name that the end user would clearly recognize as being "the home of the thing I just created a portable copy of," in the location it's been told to place the portable copy.   Expecting end users to do this housekeeping in this day and age just isn't gonna happen (and, in reality and as these two topics have shown, doesn't happen and hasn't happened in my observation in a very, very long time).

It's just so much cleaner and less confusing for the end user.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362  

The color of truth is grey.

           ~ André Gide

 

 


 

Molly,

            Think about your own user name, your description of what you did (which is perfect, by the way) then think about what Gene wrote:  "And those without experience in placing a portable program . . ."

             You are not a member of that demographic.   Nor am I or Gene.   Context matters.   Describing what a skilled person does, while interesting, is not really germane to the broader point that both Gene and I (and at least one or two others) have been trying to make.
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362  

The color of truth is grey.

           ~ André Gide

 

 


Kevin Cussick
 

Yes agreed, and I just can't understand why the Nvda devs don't just fix this.

On 23/08/2019 15:04, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 06:13 PM, Kevin Cussick wrote:
but I think Brian was maybe saying that nvda should buy default make
a folder where ever you extract and buy default call it nvda.
And it wasn't just me that has said this.
"Portable copy makers" (I won't call them installers, because they are NOT installing anything) had ought to, as a matter of practice, create a dedicated folder, with a name that the end user would clearly recognize as being "the home of the thing I just created a portable copy of," in the location it's been told to place the portable copy.   Expecting end users to do this housekeeping in this day and age just isn't gonna happen (and, in reality and as these two topics have shown, doesn't happen and hasn't happened in my observation in a very, very long time).
It's just so much cleaner and less confusing for the end user.
--
Brian *-*Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362
*The color of truth is grey.*
           ~ André Gide


Quentin Christensen
 

There is an open issue on our tracker for this.   https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/3113 

  The current proposal there is to alert the user if the folder they have selected is not empty, which I think is a reasonable compromise.  Feel free to comment on that issue if you have any new points to add there though.

On Sat, Aug 24, 2019 at 6:43 AM Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io <the.big.white.shepherd=googlemail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Yes agreed,   and I just can't understand why the Nvda devs don't just
fix this.

On 23/08/2019 15:04, Brian Vogel wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 06:13 PM, Kevin Cussick wrote:
>
>     but I think Brian was maybe saying that nvda should buy default make
>     a folder where ever you extract and buy default call it nvda.
>
> And it wasn't just me that has said this.
>
> "Portable copy makers" (I won't call them installers, because they are
> NOT installing anything) had ought to, as a matter of practice, create a
> dedicated folder, with a name that the end user would clearly recognize
> as being "the home of the thing I just created a portable copy of," in
> the location it's been told to place the portable copy.   Expecting end
> users to do this housekeeping in this day and age just isn't gonna
> happen (and, in reality and as these two topics have shown, doesn't
> happen and hasn't happened in my observation in a very, very long time).
>
> It's just so much cleaner and less confusing for the end user.
>
> --
>
> Brian *-*Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362
>
> *The color of truth is grey.*
>
>             ~ André Gide
>
>





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Training and Support Manager


Kevin Cussick
 

thanks, have seen it I still think it should put a folder called Nvda and just don't know why the devs are so against this.

On 26/08/2019 02:53, Quentin Christensen wrote:
There is an open issue on our tracker for this. https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/3113
  The current proposal there is to alert the user if the folder they have selected is not empty, which I think is a reasonable compromise. Feel free to comment on that issue if you have any new points to add there though.
On Sat, Aug 24, 2019 at 6:43 AM Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io <the.big.white.shepherd=googlemail.com@groups.io <mailto:googlemail.com@groups.io>> wrote:
Yes agreed,   and I just can't understand why the Nvda devs don't just
fix this.
On 23/08/2019 15:04, Brian Vogel wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 06:13 PM, Kevin Cussick wrote:
>
>     but I think Brian was maybe saying that nvda should buy
default make
>     a folder where ever you extract and buy default call it nvda.
>
> And it wasn't just me that has said this.
>
> "Portable copy makers" (I won't call them installers, because
they are
> NOT installing anything) had ought to, as a matter of practice,
create a
> dedicated folder, with a name that the end user would clearly
recognize
> as being "the home of the thing I just created a portable copy
of," in
> the location it's been told to place the portable copy.
 Expecting end
> users to do this housekeeping in this day and age just isn't gonna
> happen (and, in reality and as these two topics have shown, doesn't
> happen and hasn't happened in my observation in a very, very long
time).
>
> It's just so much cleaner and less confusing for the end user.
>
> --
>
> Brian *-*Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362
>
> *The color of truth is grey.*
>
>             ~ André Gide
>
>
--
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Training and Support Manager
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