NVDA and Kurzweil 1000
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kelby carlson
Does NVDA work with Kurzweil 1000? When I try to do OCR on a PDF, the arrow keys and other navigation keys seem to do nothing.
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Vincent Le Goff <vincent.legoff.srs@...>
As for scanning PDF I use ScanSoft Omnipage myself. Instead of running just OCR it converts the PDF file into a nice TXT file you can then browse. But of course, the tool in question is not cheap, far from it.
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On 8/25/2019 2:41 PM, kelby carlson wrote:
Does NVDA work with Kurzweil 1000? When I try to do OCR on a PDF, the arrow keys and other navigation keys seem to do nothing.
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Richard Turner <richardturner42@...>
Have you checked the NVDA Addons to see if there is something for Kurzweil?
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I don't have Kurzweil so have never checked. Richard 🖖 Live long and prosper Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Vincent Le Goff Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2019 5:53 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Kurzweil 1000 As for scanning PDF I use ScanSoft Omnipage myself. Instead of running just OCR it converts the PDF file into a nice TXT file you can then browse. But of course, the tool in question is not cheap, far from it. On 8/25/2019 2:41 PM, kelby carlson wrote: Does NVDA work with Kurzweil 1000? When I try to do OCR on a PDF, the arrow keys and other navigation keys seem to do nothing.
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I use The NFB Reader. For some unknown reason I cannot open pdf files in K1000.
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On 8/25/19, Richard Turner <richardturner42@outlook.com> wrote:
Have you checked the NVDA Addons to see if there is something for Kurzweil? --
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David Griffith
Yes Kurzweil works with NVDA though for best results you need to mute speech in one of the applications as they will otherwise talk together. I normally just use NVDA plus s to toggle speech off whilst in Kurzweil. Specifically I have just opened a PDF in Kurzweil using NvDA and after muting speech with NVDA the document read perfectly normally in Kurzweil using arrow keys and other expected commands. This is with Win 10, Kurzweil 14 desktop version and latest NVDA. I do not use the Windows 10 app version of Kurzweil so cannot comment on this. David Griffith
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From: kelby carlson
Sent: 25 August 2019 13:41 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] NVDA and Kurzweil 1000
Does NVDA work with Kurzweil 1000? When I try to do OCR on a PDF, the arrow keys and other navigation keys seem to do nothing.
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Gene
I would think it is put to sleep when you are in
the Kurzweil window because Kurzweil is a self-voicing program. Kurzweil
should provide all the information you need through its own speech.
If you are trying to convert files and you get no
speech from Kurzweil, that indicates a problem may be occurring with the
program. It may be freezing or not opening fully.
There is a command to wake NVDA, but I don't recall
what it is. Others should know. You can use that command and see if
you can figure anything out about the problem.
Gene
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Gene
With Kurzweil, you can use save as to save the
document in any format Kurzweil supports, including a text file. It is
just as though you were saving any other recognized material, such as a
book.
Which program may be faster and more accurate in
recognizing PDF documents is a different question.
Gene
From: Vincent Le Goff
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2019 7:52 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Kurzweil 1000 just OCR it converts the PDF file into a nice TXT file you can then browse. But of course, the tool in question is not cheap, far from it. On 8/25/2019 2:41 PM, kelby carlson wrote: > Does NVDA work with Kurzweil 1000? When I try to do OCR on a PDF, the arrow keys and other navigation keys seem to do nothing. > > >
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Gene
Also, for a long time, Omnipage had a bug that
caused text to be misplaced when recognizing documents that had columns. I
don't know if this has been finally corrected.
Gene
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From: Vincent Le Goff
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2019 7:52 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Kurzweil 1000 just OCR it converts the PDF file into a nice TXT file you can then browse. But of course, the tool in question is not cheap, far from it. On 8/25/2019 2:41 PM, kelby carlson wrote: > Does NVDA work with Kurzweil 1000? When I try to do OCR on a PDF, the arrow keys and other navigation keys seem to do nothing. > > >
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Gene
If NVDA doesn't automatically go to sleep in NVDA,
it should be scripted to do so. But if you want to use the Numpad with
NVDA, it should be put to sleep, not just stop speech. And there may be
other commands that NVDA conflicts with. Also, if you stop speech, you
won't hear error messages, such as from the scanner or when Kurzweil
crashes. You will have speech off and won't hear anything. If you
put it to sleep, if an error message comes up and takes you to the error message
Window, NVDA will wake up and read it, as well as be completely
functional. It only sleeps when in the Kurzweil Window.
In general, NVDA should be put to sleep in
self-voicing applications, not just turn off the synthesizer.
I just checked. The
command to toggle sleep mode on and off is control insert, either insert,
s. That is for the desktop layout. I don't know what it is for the
laptop layout.
Gene
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From: David Griffith
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2019 9:37 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Kurzweil 1000
Yes Kurzweil works with NVDA though for best results you need to mute speech in one of the applications as they will otherwise talk together. I normally just use NVDA plus s to toggle speech off whilst in Kurzweil. Specifically I have just opened a PDF in Kurzweil using NvDA and after muting speech with NVDA the document read perfectly normally in Kurzweil using arrow keys and other expected commands. This is with Win 10, Kurzweil 14 desktop version and latest NVDA. I do not use the Windows 10 app version of Kurzweil so cannot comment on this. David Griffith
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From: kelby
carlson
Does NVDA work with Kurzweil 1000? When I try to do OCR on a PDF, the arrow keys and other navigation keys seem to do nothing.
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David Griffith
Did you really mean to say insert control S? On my NVDA in Desktop layout that simply brings up the list of synthesiser group options, Sapi 4, Sapi 5, one core voices and no speech.and
I might be reading your email incorrectly. David Griffith Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: Gene
Sent: 25 August 2019 16:36 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Kurzweil 1000
If NVDA doesn't automatically go to sleep in NVDA, it should be scripted to do so. But if you want to use the Numpad with NVDA, it should be put to sleep, not just stop speech. And there may be other commands that NVDA conflicts with. Also, if you stop speech, you won't hear error messages, such as from the scanner or when Kurzweil crashes. You will have speech off and won't hear anything. If you put it to sleep, if an error message comes up and takes you to the error message Window, NVDA will wake up and read it, as well as be completely functional. It only sleeps when in the Kurzweil Window.
In general, NVDA should be put to sleep in self-voicing applications, not just turn off the synthesizer.
I just checked. The command to toggle sleep mode on and off is control insert, either insert, s. That is for the desktop layout. I don't know what it is for the laptop layout.
Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: David Griffith Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2019 9:37 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Kurzweil 1000
Yes Kurzweil works with NVDA though for best results you need to mute speech in one of the applications as they will otherwise talk together. I normally just use NVDA plus s to toggle speech off whilst in Kurzweil. Specifically I have just opened a PDF in Kurzweil using NvDA and after muting speech with NVDA the document read perfectly normally in Kurzweil using arrow keys and other expected commands. This is with Win 10, Kurzweil 14 desktop version and latest NVDA. I do not use the Windows 10 app version of Kurzweil so cannot comment on this. David Griffith
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From: kelby carlson
Does NVDA work with Kurzweil 1000? When I try to do OCR on a PDF, the arrow keys and other navigation keys seem to do nothing.
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David Griffith
OK I have checked the sleep toggle is Insert shift S , no control key involved but thanks for pointing me to the option. David Griffith
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From: David Griffith via Groups.Io
Sent: 25 August 2019 16:52 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Kurzweil 1000
Did you really mean to say insert control S? On my NVDA in Desktop layout that simply brings up the list of synthesiser group options, Sapi 4, Sapi 5, one core voices and no speech.and
I might be reading your email incorrectly. David Griffith Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: Gene
If NVDA doesn't automatically go to sleep in NVDA, it should be scripted to do so. But if you want to use the Numpad with NVDA, it should be put to sleep, not just stop speech. And there may be other commands that NVDA conflicts with. Also, if you stop speech, you won't hear error messages, such as from the scanner or when Kurzweil crashes. You will have speech off and won't hear anything. If you put it to sleep, if an error message comes up and takes you to the error message Window, NVDA will wake up and read it, as well as be completely functional. It only sleeps when in the Kurzweil Window.
In general, NVDA should be put to sleep in self-voicing applications, not just turn off the synthesizer.
I just checked. The command to toggle sleep mode on and off is control insert, either insert, s. That is for the desktop layout. I don't know what it is for the laptop layout.
Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: David Griffith Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2019 9:37 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Kurzweil 1000
Yes Kurzweil works with NVDA though for best results you need to mute speech in one of the applications as they will otherwise talk together. I normally just use NVDA plus s to toggle speech off whilst in Kurzweil. Specifically I have just opened a PDF in Kurzweil using NvDA and after muting speech with NVDA the document read perfectly normally in Kurzweil using arrow keys and other expected commands. This is with Win 10, Kurzweil 14 desktop version and latest NVDA. I do not use the Windows 10 app version of Kurzweil so cannot comment on this. David Griffith
David Griffith Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: kelby carlson
Does NVDA work with Kurzweil 1000? When I try to do OCR on a PDF, the arrow keys and other navigation keys seem to do nothing.
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Gene
I should have said shift insert s.
Also, that puts NVDA to sleep when you are in the
window where you issued the command. If you move out of the program, NVDA
will wake up. If you return to the window, it will sleep.
Gene
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From: David Griffith
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2019 10:52 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Kurzweil 1000 Did you really mean to say insert control S? On my NVDA in Desktop layout that simply brings up the list of synthesiser group options, Sapi 4, Sapi 5, one core voices and no speech.and
I might be reading your email incorrectly. David Griffith Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: Gene
If NVDA doesn't automatically go to sleep in NVDA, it should be scripted to do so. But if you want to use the Numpad with NVDA, it should be put to sleep, not just stop speech. And there may be other commands that NVDA conflicts with. Also, if you stop speech, you won't hear error messages, such as from the scanner or when Kurzweil crashes. You will have speech off and won't hear anything. If you put it to sleep, if an error message comes up and takes you to the error message Window, NVDA will wake up and read it, as well as be completely functional. It only sleeps when in the Kurzweil Window.
In general, NVDA should be put to sleep in self-voicing applications, not just turn off the synthesizer.
I just checked. The command to toggle sleep mode on and off is control insert, either insert, s. That is for the desktop layout. I don't know what it is for the laptop layout.
Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: David Griffith Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2019 9:37 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Kurzweil 1000
Yes Kurzweil works with NVDA though for best results you need to mute speech in one of the applications as they will otherwise talk together. I normally just use NVDA plus s to toggle speech off whilst in Kurzweil. Specifically I have just opened a PDF in Kurzweil using NvDA and after muting speech with NVDA the document read perfectly normally in Kurzweil using arrow keys and other expected commands. This is with Win 10, Kurzweil 14 desktop version and latest NVDA. I do not use the Windows 10 app version of Kurzweil so cannot comment on this. David Griffith
David Griffith Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: kelby
carlson
Does NVDA work with Kurzweil 1000? When I try to do OCR on a PDF, the arrow keys and other navigation keys seem to do nothing.
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kelby carlson
Right now I have Kurzweil's speech muted and was trying to use NVDA, because this is what I did with JAWS; I don't like the Kurzweil voices very much. But it sounds like I will not be able to use NVDA that way.
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On Aug 25, 2019, at 11:57 AM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
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Gene
You aren't hearing NVDA because it is scripted to
sleep when you are in the Kurzweil window. Issue the wake up command,
shift insert s, when in the window and see if it does what you want when it is
running.
Gene
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From: kelby carlson
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2019 11:25 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Kurzweil 1000
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kelby carlson
Are you sure that is the right command? All that happened was it announced "no selection"; turning keyboard help on revealed that command does not do anything with regard to speech. Furthermore, NVDA is not muted in Kurzweil; it is just when I attempt to use the arrow keys it does not move and announces the same line repeatedly.
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On Aug 25, 2019, at 1:06 PM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
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Kelby,
Are you sure that [NVDA+Shift+S] is the right command? All that happened was it announced "no selection"; turning keyboard help on revealed that command does not do anything with regard to speech.If you want to use this command you must be using the desktop layout. If you're using the laptop layout the command is NVDA+Shift+Z. Cheers, Marcio AKA Starboy Sent from a galaxy far, far away. --Are you a Thunderbird user? Then join the Thunderbird mailing list to help and be helped with all Thunderbird things - questions, features, add-ons and much more!
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