What is wrong with using Windows Live Mail?  And what is wrong with using Microsoft products in general?  Some of the utilities and programs included with Windows are designed to be easy to use and don't have options more advanced or demanding users might want or need.  But a general avoidance of Microsoft products may lead to unnecessary problems or unnecessary time and effort looking for something else that works well. 

 

Windows Live Mail is completely accessible.  you can use the old menu version or the newer ribbon version.  You have to get it from someone, because Microsoft no longer supports and distributes it. 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Vincent Le Goff

Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2019 10:58 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] A point on email clients

Hi everyone,


This has been reported for a few weeks or months and things are getting
worse, so I'm afraid I'll have to leave the Thunderbird community.  The
client is getting extremely sluggish.  It behaves well for sighted users
but the thing is not reporting information to NVDA in less than a few
seconds for each key press, especially for us unfortunate relying on
Braille.  Enough is enough. Thunderbird served its purpose but I need a
fast email client and can't spend 2 hours reading my 100 daily emails
(yep, I happen to receive lots of emails).


But this "ragequit" will pose some problems.  The first, and obvious,
is: what to use now?  Relying on Microsoft products doesn't sit too
well, I'm already doing a lot of that, but it seems there aren't so many
choices.  For awhile I heard about an open-source email client
specifically created for accessibility, but I can't remember what the
name was, who created it, and Google can't help me.


So the debate is open: let's avoid the flamewar if possible, but what
are you using?  What would be more fitting with NVDA?  I have a few
requirements:


- I'm running on Windows 10 (64-bit). Can't do without that.

- I have two accounts and possibly three, so I need to have support for
several email accounts and simple switches between them.

- I need support for iMap, which is basically the only protocol I used
to retreieve messages.

- Support for simple text and HTML content is obviously a strong bonus.


Thanks in advance for your advice!


Vincent

Hi Gene,

Thanks for y6our answer.  Hehe, I think Microsoft has enough data on me, giving it my email doesn't sound great.  But yeah, let's imagine they don't keep this data!  As I was saying I really can't use Thunderbird much (even writing this somewhat short message is a pain).

I've tried eM client today, light and fast, like I wanted, but not accessible as far as I can tell.  So I guess I will need to find WLM somewhere.  But I must admit it's a big disappointment to me who places so much on open- source technology, so going from Thunderbird to Microsoft is a downgrade, not in terms of feature, but in terms of philosophy, if that makes any sense.

Thanks again,

Vincent

What is wrong with using Windows Live Mail?  And what is wrong with using Microsoft products in general?  Some of the utilities and programs included with Windows are designed to be easy to use and don't have options more advanced or demanding users might want or need.  But a general avoidance of Microsoft products may lead to unnecessary problems or unnecessary time and effort looking for something else that works well. 

 

Windows Live Mail is completely accessible.  you can use the old menu version or the newer ribbon version.  You have to get it from someone, because Microsoft no longer supports and distributes it. 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Vincent Le Goff

Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2019 10:58 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] A point on email clients

Hi everyone,


This has been reported for a few weeks or months and things are getting
worse, so I'm afraid I'll have to leave the Thunderbird community.  The
client is getting extremely sluggish.  It behaves well for sighted users
but the thing is not reporting information to NVDA in less than a few
seconds for each key press, especially for us unfortunate relying on
Braille.  Enough is enough. Thunderbird served its purpose but I need a
fast email client and can't spend 2 hours reading my 100 daily emails
(yep, I happen to receive lots of emails).


But this "ragequit" will pose some problems.  The first, and obvious,
is: what to use now?  Relying on Microsoft products doesn't sit too
well, I'm already doing a lot of that, but it seems there aren't so many
choices.  For awhile I heard about an open-source email client
specifically created for accessibility, but I can't remember what the
name was, who created it, and Google can't help me.


So the debate is open: let's avoid the flamewar if possible, but what
are you using?  What would be more fitting with NVDA?  I have a few
requirements:


- I'm running on Windows 10 (64-bit). Can't do without that.

- I have two accounts and possibly three, so I need to have support for
several email accounts and simple switches between them.

- I need support for iMap, which is basically the only protocol I used
to retreieve messages.

- Support for simple text and HTML content is obviously a strong bonus.


Thanks in advance for your advice!


Vincent

Hi Gene,

Thanks for y6our answer.  Hehe, I think Microsoft has enough data on me, giving it my email doesn't sound great.  But yeah, let's imagine they don't keep this data!  As I was saying I really can't use Thunderbird much (even writing this somewhat short message is a pain).

I've tried eM client today, light and fast, like I wanted, but not accessible as far as I can tell.  So I guess I will need to find WLM somewhere.  But I must admit it's a big disappointment to me who places so much on open- source technology, so going from Thunderbird to Microsoft is a downgrade, not in terms of feature, but in terms of philosophy, if that makes any sense.

Thanks again,

Vincent

What is wrong with using Windows Live Mail?  And what is wrong with using Microsoft products in general?  Some of the utilities and programs included with Windows are designed to be easy to use and don't have options more advanced or demanding users might want or need.  But a general avoidance of Microsoft products may lead to unnecessary problems or unnecessary time and effort looking for something else that works well. 

 

Windows Live Mail is completely accessible.  you can use the old menu version or the newer ribbon version.  You have to get it from someone, because Microsoft no longer supports and distributes it. 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Vincent Le Goff

Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2019 10:58 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] A point on email clients

Hi everyone,


This has been reported for a few weeks or months and things are getting
worse, so I'm afraid I'll have to leave the Thunderbird community.  The
client is getting extremely sluggish.  It behaves well for sighted users
but the thing is not reporting information to NVDA in less than a few
seconds for each key press, especially for us unfortunate relying on
Braille.  Enough is enough. Thunderbird served its purpose but I need a
fast email client and can't spend 2 hours reading my 100 daily emails
(yep, I happen to receive lots of emails).


But this "ragequit" will pose some problems.  The first, and obvious,
is: what to use now?  Relying on Microsoft products doesn't sit too
well, I'm already doing a lot of that, but it seems there aren't so many
choices.  For awhile I heard about an open-source email client
specifically created for accessibility, but I can't remember what the
name was, who created it, and Google can't help me.


So the debate is open: let's avoid the flamewar if possible, but what
are you using?  What would be more fitting with NVDA?  I have a few
requirements:


- I'm running on Windows 10 (64-bit). Can't do without that.

- I have two accounts and possibly three, so I need to have support for
several email accounts and simple switches between them.

- I need support for iMap, which is basically the only protocol I used
to retreieve messages.

- Support for simple text and HTML content is obviously a strong bonus.


Thanks in advance for your advice!


Vincent

I mean that you have to sign into something in Windows Live Mail itself.  Microsoft won't see your Windows Live Mail information just because you have a Microsoft account, if you do.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Vincent Le Goff

Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2019 11:28 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] A point on email clients

Hi Gene,

Thanks for y6our answer.  Hehe, I think Microsoft has enough data on me, giving it my email doesn't sound great.  But yeah, let's imagine they don't keep this data!  As I was saying I really can't use Thunderbird much (even writing this somewhat short message is a pain).

I've tried eM client today, light and fast, like I wanted, but not accessible as far as I can tell.  So I guess I will need to find WLM somewhere.  But I must admit it's a big disappointment to me who places so much on open- source technology, so going from Thunderbird to Microsoft is a downgrade, not in terms of feature, but in terms of philosophy, if that makes any sense.

Thanks again,

Vincent

On 8/25/2019 6:10 PM, Gene wrote:

What is wrong with using Windows Live Mail?  And what is wrong with using Microsoft products in general?  Some of the utilities and programs included with Windows are designed to be easy to use and don't have options more advanced or demanding users might want or need.  But a general avoidance of Microsoft products may lead to unnecessary problems or unnecessary time and effort looking for something else that works well. 

 

Windows Live Mail is completely accessible.  you can use the old menu version or the newer ribbon version.  You have to get it from someone, because Microsoft no longer supports and distributes it. 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Vincent Le Goff

Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2019 10:58 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] A point on email clients

Hi everyone,


This has been reported for a few weeks or months and things are getting
worse, so I'm afraid I'll have to leave the Thunderbird community.  The
client is getting extremely sluggish.  It behaves well for sighted users
but the thing is not reporting information to NVDA in less than a few
seconds for each key press, especially for us unfortunate relying on
Braille.  Enough is enough. Thunderbird served its purpose but I need a
fast email client and can't spend 2 hours reading my 100 daily emails
(yep, I happen to receive lots of emails).


But this "ragequit" will pose some problems.  The first, and obvious,
is: what to use now?  Relying on Microsoft products doesn't sit too
well, I'm already doing a lot of that, but it seems there aren't so many
choices.  For awhile I heard about an open-source email client
specifically created for accessibility, but I can't remember what the
name was, who created it, and Google can't help me.


So the debate is open: let's avoid the flamewar if possible, but what
are you using?  What would be more fitting with NVDA?  I have a few
requirements:


- I'm running on Windows 10 (64-bit). Can't do without that.

- I have two accounts and possibly three, so I need to have support for
several email accounts and simple switches between them.

- I need support for iMap, which is basically the only protocol I used
to retreieve messages.

- Support for simple text and HTML content is obviously a strong bonus.


Thanks in advance for your advice!


Vincent

I understand.  I have found WLM on a secondary website but it gives me an error (can't install Windows Live Mail on your computer) when installation reaches 64%, so I guess that's out.  Microsoft recommends using the native mail app on Windows 10, but I guess it's not as accessible (though I've given it a small try and will try again right away, you never know!).

Vincent

I mean that you have to sign into something in Windows Live Mail itself.  Microsoft won't see your Windows Live Mail information just because you have a Microsoft account, if you do.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Vincent Le Goff

Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2019 11:28 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] A point on email clients

Hi Gene,

Thanks for y6our answer.  Hehe, I think Microsoft has enough data on me, giving it my email doesn't sound great.  But yeah, let's imagine they don't keep this data!  As I was saying I really can't use Thunderbird much (even writing this somewhat short message is a pain).

I've tried eM client today, light and fast, like I wanted, but not accessible as far as I can tell.  So I guess I will need to find WLM somewhere.  But I must admit it's a big disappointment to me who places so much on open- source technology, so going from Thunderbird to Microsoft is a downgrade, not in terms of feature, but in terms of philosophy, if that makes any sense.

Thanks again,

Vincent

On 8/25/2019 6:10 PM, Gene wrote:

What is wrong with using Windows Live Mail?  And what is wrong with using Microsoft products in general?  Some of the utilities and programs included with Windows are designed to be easy to use and don't have options more advanced or demanding users might want or need.  But a general avoidance of Microsoft products may lead to unnecessary problems or unnecessary time and effort looking for something else that works well. 

 

Windows Live Mail is completely accessible.  you can use the old menu version or the newer ribbon version.  You have to get it from someone, because Microsoft no longer supports and distributes it. 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Vincent Le Goff

Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2019 10:58 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] A point on email clients

Hi everyone,


This has been reported for a few weeks or months and things are getting
worse, so I'm afraid I'll have to leave the Thunderbird community.  The
client is getting extremely sluggish.  It behaves well for sighted users
but the thing is not reporting information to NVDA in less than a few
seconds for each key press, especially for us unfortunate relying on
Braille.  Enough is enough. Thunderbird served its purpose but I need a
fast email client and can't spend 2 hours reading my 100 daily emails
(yep, I happen to receive lots of emails).


But this "ragequit" will pose some problems.  The first, and obvious,
is: what to use now?  Relying on Microsoft products doesn't sit too
well, I'm already doing a lot of that, but it seems there aren't so many
choices.  For awhile I heard about an open-source email client
specifically created for accessibility, but I can't remember what the
name was, who created it, and Google can't help me.


So the debate is open: let's avoid the flamewar if possible, but what
are you using?  What would be more fitting with NVDA?  I have a few
requirements:


- I'm running on Windows 10 (64-bit). Can't do without that.

- I have two accounts and possibly three, so I need to have support for
several email accounts and simple switches between them.

- I need support for iMap, which is basically the only protocol I used
to retreieve messages.

- Support for simple text and HTML content is obviously a strong bonus.


Thanks in advance for your advice!


Vincent

Not necessarily.  We don't know if the downloader has a problem.  If you want, someone on the list who definitely has a good copy, and it must be a full installer, can send it to you.  Do you want the older menu or the newer ribbon version?  As far as I know, they can both be used in Windows 7 and 10 but I haven't tried running the menu version in newer versions of Windows.

I understand.  I have found WLM on a secondary website but it gives me an error (can't install Windows Live Mail on your computer) when installation reaches 64%, so I guess that's out.  Microsoft recommends using the native mail app on Windows 10, but I guess it's not as accessible (though I've given it a small try and will try again right away, you never know!).

Vincent

I mean that you have to sign into something in Windows Live Mail itself.  Microsoft won't see your Windows Live Mail information just because you have a Microsoft account, if you do.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Vincent Le Goff

Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2019 11:28 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] A point on email clients

 

Hi Gene,

 

Thanks for y6our answer.  Hehe, I think Microsoft has enough data on me, giving it my email doesn't sound great.  But yeah, let's imagine they don't keep this data!  As I was saying I really can't use Thunderbird much (even writing this somewhat short message is a pain).

 

I've tried eM client today, light and fast, like I wanted, but not accessible as far as I can tell.  So I guess I will need to find WLM somewhere.  But I must admit it's a big disappointment to me who places so much on open- source technology, so going from Thunderbird to Microsoft is a downgrade, not in terms of feature, but in terms of philosophy, if that makes any sense.

 

Thanks again,

 

Vincent

On 8/25/2019 6:10 PM, Gene wrote:

What is wrong with using Windows Live Mail?  And what is wrong with using Microsoft products in general?  Some of the utilities and programs included with Windows are designed to be easy to use and don't have options more advanced or demanding users might want or need.  But a general avoidance of Microsoft products may lead to unnecessary problems or unnecessary time and effort looking for something else that works well. 

 

Windows Live Mail is completely accessible.  you can use the old menu version or the newer ribbon version.  You have to get it from someone, because Microsoft no longer supports and distributes it. 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

 

From: Vincent Le Goff

Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2019 10:58 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] A point on email clients

 

Hi everyone,


This has been reported for a few weeks or months and things are getting
worse, so I'm afraid I'll have to leave the Thunderbird community.  The
client is getting extremely sluggish.  It behaves well for sighted users
but the thing is not reporting information to NVDA in less than a few
seconds for each key press, especially for us unfortunate relying on
Braille.  Enough is enough. Thunderbird served its purpose but I need a
fast email client and can't spend 2 hours reading my 100 daily emails
(yep, I happen to receive lots of emails).


But this "ragequit" will pose some problems.  The first, and obvious,
is: what to use now?  Relying on Microsoft products doesn't sit too
well, I'm already doing a lot of that, but it seems there aren't so many
choices.  For awhile I heard about an open-source email client
specifically created for accessibility, but I can't remember what the
name was, who created it, and Google can't help me.


So the debate is open: let's avoid the flamewar if possible, but what
are you using?  What would be more fitting with NVDA?  I have a few
requirements:


- I'm running on Windows 10 (64-bit). Can't do without that.

- I have two accounts and possibly three, so I need to have support for
several email accounts and simple switches between them.

- I need support for iMap, which is basically the only protocol I used
to retreieve messages.

- Support for simple text and HTML content is obviously a strong bonus.


Thanks in advance for your advice!


Vincent

Hi Gene,
Thanks for y6our answer.  Hehe, I think Microsoft has enough data on me, giving it my email doesn't sound great.  But yeah, let's imagine they don't keep
this data!  As I was saying I really can't use Thunderbird much (even writing this somewhat short message is a pain).
I've tried eM client today, light and fast, like I wanted, but not accessible as far as I can tell.  So I guess I will need to find WLM somewhere.  But I
must admit it's a big disappointment to me who places so much on open- source technology, so going from Thunderbird to Microsoft is a downgrade, not in
terms of feature, but in terms of philosophy, if that makes any sense.
Thanks again,
Vincent
On 8/25/2019 6:10 PM, Gene wrote:
What is wrong with using Windows Live Mail?  And what is wrong with using Microsoft products in general?  Some of the utilities and programs
included with Windows are designed to be easy to use and don't have options more advanced or demanding users might want or need.  But a general
avoidance of Microsoft products may lead to unnecessary problems or unnecessary time and effort looking for something else that works well. 
 
Windows Live Mail is completely accessible.  you can use the old menu version or the newer ribbon version.  You have to get it from someone, because
Microsoft no longer supports and distributes it. 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Vincent Le Goff
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2019 10:58 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] A point on email clients
Hi everyone,
This has been reported for a few weeks or months and things are getting
worse, so I'm afraid I'll have to leave the Thunderbird community.  The
client is getting extremely sluggish.  It behaves well for sighted users
but the thing is not reporting information to NVDA in less than a few
seconds for each key press, especially for us unfortunate relying on
Braille.  Enough is enough. Thunderbird served its purpose but I need a
fast email client and can't spend 2 hours reading my 100 daily emails
(yep, I happen to receive lots of emails).
But this "ragequit" will pose some problems.  The first, and obvious,
is: what to use now?  Relying on Microsoft products doesn't sit too
well, I'm already doing a lot of that, but it seems there aren't so many
choices.  For awhile I heard about an open-source email client
specifically created for accessibility, but I can't remember what the
name was, who created it, and Google can't help me.
So the debate is open: let's avoid the flamewar if possible, but what
are you using?  What would be more fitting with NVDA?  I have a few
requirements:
- I'm running on Windows 10 (64-bit). Can't do without that.
- I have two accounts and possibly three, so I need to have support for
several email accounts and simple switches between them.
- I need support for iMap, which is basically the only protocol I used
to retreieve messages.
- Support for simple text and HTML content is obviously a strong bonus.
Thanks in advance for your advice!
Vincent

Hi everyone,


This has been reported for a few weeks or months and things are getting worse, so I'm afraid I'll have to leave the Thunderbird community.  The client is getting extremely sluggish.  It behaves well for sighted users but the thing is not reporting information to NVDA in less than a few seconds for each key press, especially for us unfortunate relying on Braille.  Enough is enough. Thunderbird served its purpose but I need a fast email client and can't spend 2 hours reading my 100 daily emails (yep, I happen to receive lots of emails).


But this "ragequit" will pose some problems.  The first, and obvious, is: what to use now?  Relying on Microsoft products doesn't sit too well, I'm already doing a lot of that, but it seems there aren't so many choices.  For awhile I heard about an open-source email client specifically created for accessibility, but I can't remember what the name was, who created it, and Google can't help me.


So the debate is open: let's avoid the flamewar if possible, but what are you using?  What would be more fitting with NVDA?  I have a few requirements:


- I'm running on Windows 10 (64-bit). Can't do without that.

- I have two accounts and possibly three, so I need to have support for several email accounts and simple switches between them.

- I need support for iMap, which is basically the only protocol I used to retreieve messages.

- Support for simple text and HTML content is obviously a strong bonus.


Thanks in advance for your advice!


Vincent



.

Hi everyone,


This has been reported for a few weeks or months and things are getting worse, so I'm afraid I'll have to leave the Thunderbird community.  The client is getting extremely sluggish.  It behaves well for sighted users but the thing is not reporting information to NVDA in less than a few seconds for each key press, especially for us unfortunate relying on Braille.  Enough is enough. Thunderbird served its purpose but I need a fast email client and can't spend 2 hours reading my 100 daily emails (yep, I happen to receive lots of emails).


But this "ragequit" will pose some problems.  The first, and obvious, is: what to use now?  Relying on Microsoft products doesn't sit too well, I'm already doing a lot of that, but it seems there aren't so many choices.  For awhile I heard about an open-source email client specifically created for accessibility, but I can't remember what the name was, who created it, and Google can't help me.


So the debate is open: let's avoid the flamewar if possible, but what are you using?  What would be more fitting with NVDA?  I have a few requirements:


- I'm running on Windows 10 (64-bit). Can't do without that.

- I have two accounts and possibly three, so I need to have support for several email accounts and simple switches between them.

- I need support for iMap, which is basically the only protocol I used to retreieve messages.

- Support for simple text and HTML content is obviously a strong bonus.


Thanks in advance for your advice!


Vincent

There is no other option. The only accessible open source email client is TB. OE Classic is freeware, and not open source, but there is no other option, at all, for open source email clients.

Vincent, I observe that you are already using Gmail. That leads to two

points: you must be okay with giving them access to your email, so why not the

big Microsoft overlord? Tongue in cheek of course. The second point is more

relevant: have you considered using the Gmail web interface for your mail? If I

recall correctly, there are at least two modes you can use that in; one of them

might work in a way you enjoy.

Just a thought.

All that said, if you are using a local IMAP client, be it outlook or windows

mail, or anything else, Microsoft or not, the provider shouldn't have any access

to your mail. That is not generally how it works. I imagine there would be

massive outcry among business customers, if it was learned that MS was sucking

in all the mail they transacted using Outlook, especially given Microsoft's

well known policy of "if it passes through our servers, it's our data".

So I very much doubt your concern is valid here.

Luke

  On Sun, 25 Aug 2019,

Vincent Le Goff wrote:

>

> Hi Gene,

>

>

> Thanks for y6our answer.  Hehe, I think Microsoft has enough data on me, giving it my email doesn't sound great.  But yeah, let's imagine they don't keep

> this data!  As I was saying I really can't use Thunderbird much (even writing this somewhat short message is a pain).

>

>

> I've tried eM client today, light and fast, like I wanted, but not accessible as far as I can tell.  So I guess I will need to find WLM somewhere.  But I

> must admit it's a big disappointment to me who places so much on open- source technology, so going from Thunderbird to Microsoft is a downgrade, not in

> terms of feature, but in terms of philosophy, if that makes any sense.

>

>

> Thanks again,

>

>

> Vincent

>

> On 8/25/2019 6:10 PM, Gene wrote:

>       What is wrong with using Windows Live Mail?  And what is wrong with using Microsoft products in general?  Some of the utilities and programs

>       included with Windows are designed to be easy to use and don't have options more advanced or demanding users might want or need.  But a general

>       avoidance of Microsoft products may lead to unnecessary problems or unnecessary time and effort looking for something else that works well. 

>  

> Windows Live Mail is completely accessible.  you can use the old menu version or the newer ribbon version.  You have to get it from someone, because

> Microsoft no longer supports and distributes it. 

> Gene

> ----- Original Message -----

>

> From: Vincent Le Goff

> Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2019 10:58 AM

> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

> Subject: [nvda] A point on email clients

>

> Hi everyone,

>

>

> This has been reported for a few weeks or months and things are getting

> worse, so I'm afraid I'll have to leave the Thunderbird community.  The

> client is getting extremely sluggish.  It behaves well for sighted users

> but the thing is not reporting information to NVDA in less than a few

> seconds for each key press, especially for us unfortunate relying on

> Braille.  Enough is enough. Thunderbird served its purpose but I need a

> fast email client and can't spend 2 hours reading my 100 daily emails

> (yep, I happen to receive lots of emails).

>

>

> But this "ragequit" will pose some problems.  The first, and obvious,

> is: what to use now?  Relying on Microsoft products doesn't sit too

> well, I'm already doing a lot of that, but it seems there aren't so many

> choices.  For awhile I heard about an open-source email client

> specifically created for accessibility, but I can't remember what the

> name was, who created it, and Google can't help me.

>

>

> So the debate is open: let's avoid the flamewar if possible, but what

> are you using?  What would be more fitting with NVDA?  I have a few

> requirements:

>

>

> - I'm running on Windows 10 (64-bit). Can't do without that.

>

> - I have two accounts and possibly three, so I need to have support for

> several email accounts and simple switches between them.

>

> - I need support for iMap, which is basically the only protocol I used

> to retreieve messages.

>

> - Support for simple text and HTML content is obviously a strong bonus.

>

>

> Thanks in advance for your advice!

>

>

> Vincent

>

>

>

>

>

> 

On Aug 25, 2019, at 11:58 AM, Vincent Le Goff <vincent.legoff.srs@...> wrote:

Hi everyone,


This has been reported for a few weeks or months and things are getting worse, so I'm afraid I'll have to leave the Thunderbird community. The client is getting extremely sluggish. It behaves well for sighted users but the thing is not reporting information to NVDA in less than a few seconds for each key press, especially for us unfortunate relying on Braille. Enough is enough. Thunderbird served its purpose but I need a fast email client and can't spend 2 hours reading my 100 daily emails (yep, I happen to receive lots of emails).


But this "ragequit" will pose some problems. The first, and obvious, is: what to use now? Relying on Microsoft products doesn't sit too well, I'm already doing a lot of that, but it seems there aren't so many choices. For awhile I heard about an open-source email client specifically created for accessibility, but I can't remember what the name was, who created it, and Google can't help me.


So the debate is open: let's avoid the flamewar if possible, but what are you using? What would be more fitting with NVDA? I have a few requirements:


- I'm running on Windows 10 (64-bit). Can't do without that.

- I have two accounts and possibly three, so I need to have support for several email accounts and simple switches between them.

- I need support for iMap, which is basically the only protocol I used to retreieve messages.

- Support for simple text and HTML content is obviously a strong bonus.


Thanks in advance for your advice!


Vincent

Windows Live Mail 2012 is still working just fine as a straight e-mail client, and there are no reports, yet, of any significant security risks stemming from its use since it's out of support.

I archived the Windows Essentials 2012 installer, of which Windows Live Mail is one of the selectable essentials that can be installed alone, about a week before it was pulled from Microsoft's own web site.   If anyone wants same, here it is:  Windows Live Mail (Windows Essentials) 2012 (ZIP format)
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362  

The color of truth is grey.

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Hi everyone,
This has been reported for a few weeks or months and things are getting worse, so I'm afraid I'll have to leave the Thunderbird community.  The client is getting extremely sluggish.  It behaves well for sighted users but the thing is not reporting information to NVDA in less than a few seconds for each key press, especially for us unfortunate relying on Braille.  Enough is enough. Thunderbird served its purpose but I need a fast email client and can't spend 2 hours reading my 100 daily emails (yep, I happen to receive lots of emails).
But this "ragequit" will pose some problems.  The first, and obvious, is: what to use now?  Relying on Microsoft products doesn't sit too well, I'm already doing a lot of that, but it seems there aren't so many choices.  For awhile I heard about an open-source email client specifically created for accessibility, but I can't remember what the name was, who created it, and Google can't help me.
So the debate is open: let's avoid the flamewar if possible, but what are you using?  What would be more fitting with NVDA?  I have a few requirements:
- I'm running on Windows 10 (64-bit). Can't do without that.
- I have two accounts and possibly three, so I need to have support for several email accounts and simple switches between them.
- I need support for iMap, which is basically the only protocol I used to retreieve messages.
- Support for simple text and HTML content is obviously a strong bonus.
Thanks in advance for your advice!
Vincent