NVDA preferred browser


glenn.bradford@...
 

Hello - Is Firefox the recommended browser in for NVDA in Windows 7? Wondering if IE11 is considered a viable option as I am testing accessibility for a number of sites. Per the SSB Bart site "The second most widely used screen reader, NVDA, is hard coded to work best in Firefox. This includes ARIA support." Is that still an accurate statement?


SSB Bart article is at http://www.ssbbartgroup.com/blog/how-browsers-interact-with-screen-readers-and-where-aria-fits-in-the-mix/


Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Glenn,

The short answer is that it pays to have access to several browsers.  There are sites which, for various reasons, just work better in one browser over others.  NVDA works in Firefox, Chrome and Internet Explorer.  I had an example just before where a particular site / aria element worked better with NVDA in Chrome than Firefox.  

On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 3:18 AM, <glenn.bradford@...> wrote:

Hello - Is Firefox the recommended browser in for NVDA in Windows 7? Wondering if IE11 is considered a viable option as I am testing accessibility for a number of sites. Per the SSB Bart site "The second most widely used screen reader, NVDA, is hard coded to work best in Firefox. This includes ARIA support." Is that still an accurate statement?


SSB Bart article is at http://www.ssbbartgroup.com/blog/how-browsers-interact-with-screen-readers-and-where-aria-fits-in-the-mix/




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Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Quentin,


I have firefox, the webbie browser, edge and internet explorer. It never hurts to have more than one browserin case something doesn't work with your main browser.


Rosemarie



On 11/30/2016 1:50 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi Glenn,

The short answer is that it pays to have access to several browsers.  There are sites which, for various reasons, just work better in one browser over others.  NVDA works in Firefox, Chrome and Internet Explorer.  I had an example just before where a particular site / aria element worked better with NVDA in Chrome than Firefox.  

On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 3:18 AM, <glenn.bradford@...> wrote:

Hello - Is Firefox the recommended browser in for NVDA in Windows 7? Wondering if IE11 is considered a viable option as I am testing accessibility for a number of sites. Per the SSB Bart site "The second most widely used screen reader, NVDA, is hard coded to work best in Firefox. This includes ARIA support." Is that still an accurate statement?


SSB Bart article is at http://www.ssbbartgroup.com/blog/how-browsers-interact-with-screen-readers-and-where-aria-fits-in-the-mix/




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Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Direct: +61 413 904 383
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Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Rosemarie,

You are absolutely correct - and it's not something that's specific to screen reader users either.  I haven't looked at Webbie for awhile, I must try it again.  I didn't mention Edge originally as the question was specifically related to Windows 7.  Our support for Edge has been higher than other screen readers to date, but Edge itself is not yet at a point where we'd recommend it generally.

Regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 10:03 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:

Hi, Quentin,


I have firefox, the webbie browser, edge and internet explorer. It never hurts to have more than one browserin case something doesn't work with your main browser.


Rosemarie



On 11/30/2016 1:50 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi Glenn,

The short answer is that it pays to have access to several browsers.  There are sites which, for various reasons, just work better in one browser over others.  NVDA works in Firefox, Chrome and Internet Explorer.  I had an example just before where a particular site / aria element worked better with NVDA in Chrome than Firefox.  

On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 3:18 AM, <glenn.bradford@...> wrote:

Hello - Is Firefox the recommended browser in for NVDA in Windows 7? Wondering if IE11 is considered a viable option as I am testing accessibility for a number of sites. Per the SSB Bart site "The second most widely used screen reader, NVDA, is hard coded to work best in Firefox. This includes ARIA support." Is that still an accurate statement?


SSB Bart article is at http://www.ssbbartgroup.com/blog/how-browsers-interact-with-screen-readers-and-where-aria-fits-in-the-mix/




--
Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Direct: +61 413 904 383
www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 





--
Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Direct: +61 413 904 383
www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Quentin,

 

The nice thing about the webbie browser is that it takes the extra clutter from a site that has graphics. I mainly use internet explorer but I have used firefox or the webbie browser on occasion.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 6:33 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA preferred browser

 

Hi Rosemarie,

 

You are absolutely correct - and it's not something that's specific to screen reader users either.  I haven't looked at Webbie for awhile, I must try it again.  I didn't mention Edge originally as the question was specifically related to Windows 7.  Our support for Edge has been higher than other screen readers to date, but Edge itself is not yet at a point where we'd recommend it generally.

 

Regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 10:03 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:

Hi, Quentin,

 

I have firefox, the webbie browser, edge and internet explorer. It never hurts to have more than one browserin case something doesn't work with your main browser.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

On 11/30/2016 1:50 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:

Hi Glenn,

 

The short answer is that it pays to have access to several browsers.  There are sites which, for various reasons, just work better in one browser over others.  NVDA works in Firefox, Chrome and Internet Explorer.  I had an example just before where a particular site / aria element worked better with NVDA in Chrome than Firefox.  

 

On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 3:18 AM, <glenn.bradford@...> wrote:

Hello - Is Firefox the recommended browser in for NVDA in Windows 7? Wondering if IE11 is considered a viable option as I am testing accessibility for a number of sites. Per the SSB Bart site "The second most widely used screen reader, NVDA, is hard coded to work best in Firefox. This includes ARIA support." Is that still an accurate statement?


SSB Bart article is at http://www.ssbbartgroup.com/blog/how-browsers-interact-with-screen-readers-and-where-aria-fits-in-the-mix/

 

 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

 

Direct: +61 413 904 383
www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 

 



 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

 

Direct: +61 413 904 383
www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


Gene
 

If you know how to navigate web pages effectively, what you are discussing isn't a problem.  I don't know what you are referring to.  You see links and various fields in Webbie as you do in other browsers.  I don't know how Webbie describes image links but image links often contain useful information even if they aren't labeled properly.  I don't know what you are describing as graphical.  Aside from image links and at times, this or that image I may see on screen, I do not see graphical clutter. 
 
Further discussion might allow us to know what you are describing but at present, I don't know.
 
I don't know what the newer version of Webbie is like.  The old version used a very different interface than is now standard in screen-readers when used with browsers. 
 
Webbie used to have a useful place before a capable free screen-reader was available.  Before NVDA, free screen-readers were very limited and couldn't work with standard browsers.  But those days are long gone. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 8:41 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA preferred browser

Hi, Quentin,

 

The nice thing about the webbie browser is that it takes the extra clutter from a site that has graphics. I mainly use internet explorer but I have used firefox or the webbie browser on occasion.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 6:33 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA preferred browser

 

Hi Rosemarie,

 

You are absolutely correct - and it's not something that's specific to screen reader users either.  I haven't looked at Webbie for awhile, I must try it again.  I didn't mention Edge originally as the question was specifically related to Windows 7.  Our support for Edge has been higher than other screen readers to date, but Edge itself is not yet at a point where we'd recommend it generally.

 

Regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 10:03 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:

Hi, Quentin,

 

I have firefox, the webbie browser, edge and internet explorer. It never hurts to have more than one browserin case something doesn't work with your main browser.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

On 11/30/2016 1:50 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:

Hi Glenn,

 

The short answer is that it pays to have access to several browsers.  There are sites which, for various reasons, just work better in one browser over others.  NVDA works in Firefox, Chrome and Internet Explorer.  I had an example just before where a particular site / aria element worked better with NVDA in Chrome than Firefox.  

 

On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 3:18 AM, <glenn.bradford@...> wrote:

Hello - Is Firefox the recommended browser in for NVDA in Windows 7? Wondering if IE11 is considered a viable option as I am testing accessibility for a number of sites. Per the SSB Bart site "The second most widely used screen reader, NVDA, is hard coded to work best in Firefox. This includes ARIA support." Is that still an accurate statement?


SSB Bart article is at http://www.ssbbartgroup.com/blog/how-browsers-interact-with-screen-readers-and-where-aria-fits-in-the-mix/

 

 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

 

Direct: +61 413 904 383
www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 

 



 

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Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

 

Direct: +61 413 904 383
www.nvaccess.org 
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David Goldfield
 

Rosemarie,

The Firefox browser also has a feature, known as reader mode, which declutters a Web page by removing extraneous links, leaving you with just the text of an article or blog post you might be reading. It won't work with all pages but works with pages containing a large group of text, such as a news story. It's available in the View menu or you can just press ctrl-alt-R to toggle it on and off.

          David Goldfield,
      Assistive Technology Specialist

Feel free to visit my Web site
WWW.DavidGoldfield.Info
On 11/30/2016 9:41 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

Hi, Quentin,

 

The nice thing about the webbie browser is that it takes the extra clutter from a site that has graphics. I mainly use internet explorer but I have used firefox or the webbie browser on occasion.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 6:33 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA preferred browser

 

Hi Rosemarie,

 

You are absolutely correct - and it's not something that's specific to screen reader users either.  I haven't looked at Webbie for awhile, I must try it again.  I didn't mention Edge originally as the question was specifically related to Windows 7.  Our support for Edge has been higher than other screen readers to date, but Edge itself is not yet at a point where we'd recommend it generally.

 

Regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 10:03 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:

Hi, Quentin,

 

I have firefox, the webbie browser, edge and internet explorer. It never hurts to have more than one browserin case something doesn't work with your main browser.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

On 11/30/2016 1:50 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:

Hi Glenn,

 

The short answer is that it pays to have access to several browsers.  There are sites which, for various reasons, just work better in one browser over others.  NVDA works in Firefox, Chrome and Internet Explorer.  I had an example just before where a particular site / aria element worked better with NVDA in Chrome than Firefox.  

 

On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 3:18 AM, <glenn.bradford@...> wrote:

Hello - Is Firefox the recommended browser in for NVDA in Windows 7? Wondering if IE11 is considered a viable option as I am testing accessibility for a number of sites. Per the SSB Bart site "The second most widely used screen reader, NVDA, is hard coded to work best in Firefox. This includes ARIA support." Is that still an accurate statement?


SSB Bart article is at http://www.ssbbartgroup.com/blog/how-browsers-interact-with-screen-readers-and-where-aria-fits-in-the-mix/

 

 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

 

Direct: +61 413 904 383
www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 

 



 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

 

Direct: +61 413 904 383
www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 



Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, David,

 

Wow, that's really neat. When baseball season starts again, I'd like to be able to read articles about my favorite team which is the Los Angeles Dodgers.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Goldfield
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 7:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA preferred browser

 

Rosemarie,

The Firefox browser also has a feature, known as reader mode, which declutters a Web page by removing extraneous links, leaving you with just the text of an article or blog post you might be reading. It won't work with all pages but works with pages containing a large group of text, such as a news story. It's available in the View menu or you can just press ctrl-alt-R to toggle it on and off.

          David Goldfield,
      Assistive Technology Specialist
 
Feel free to visit my Web site
WWW.DavidGoldfield.Info

On 11/30/2016 9:41 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

Hi, Quentin,

 

The nice thing about the webbie browser is that it takes the extra clutter from a site that has graphics. I mainly use internet explorer but I have used firefox or the webbie browser on occasion.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 6:33 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA preferred browser

 

Hi Rosemarie,

 

You are absolutely correct - and it's not something that's specific to screen reader users either.  I haven't looked at Webbie for awhile, I must try it again.  I didn't mention Edge originally as the question was specifically related to Windows 7.  Our support for Edge has been higher than other screen readers to date, but Edge itself is not yet at a point where we'd recommend it generally.

 

Regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 10:03 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:

Hi, Quentin,

 

I have firefox, the webbie browser, edge and internet explorer. It never hurts to have more than one browserin case something doesn't work with your main browser.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

On 11/30/2016 1:50 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:

Hi Glenn,

 

The short answer is that it pays to have access to several browsers.  There are sites which, for various reasons, just work better in one browser over others.  NVDA works in Firefox, Chrome and Internet Explorer.  I had an example just before where a particular site / aria element worked better with NVDA in Chrome than Firefox.  

 

On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 3:18 AM, <glenn.bradford@...> wrote:

Hello - Is Firefox the recommended browser in for NVDA in Windows 7? Wondering if IE11 is considered a viable option as I am testing accessibility for a number of sites. Per the SSB Bart site "The second most widely used screen reader, NVDA, is hard coded to work best in Firefox. This includes ARIA support." Is that still an accurate statement?


SSB Bart article is at http://www.ssbbartgroup.com/blog/how-browsers-interact-with-screen-readers-and-where-aria-fits-in-the-mix/

 

 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

 

Direct: +61 413 904 383
www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 

 

 

 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

 

Direct: +61 413 904 383
www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 

 


Rosemarie Chavarria
 

I'm talking about images that you see on some web pages. I don't use webbie that much because I do know how to navigate most web pages.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 7:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA preferred browser

 

If you know how to navigate web pages effectively, what you are discussing isn't a problem.  I don't know what you are referring to.  You see links and various fields in Webbie as you do in other browsers.  I don't know how Webbie describes image links but image links often contain useful information even if they aren't labeled properly.  I don't know what you are describing as graphical.  Aside from image links and at times, this or that image I may see on screen, I do not see graphical clutter. 

 

Further discussion might allow us to know what you are describing but at present, I don't know.

 

I don't know what the newer version of Webbie is like.  The old version used a very different interface than is now standard in screen-readers when used with browsers. 

 

Webbie used to have a useful place before a capable free screen-reader was available.  Before NVDA, free screen-readers were very limited and couldn't work with standard browsers.  But those days are long gone. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 8:41 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA preferred browser

 

Hi, Quentin,

 

The nice thing about the webbie browser is that it takes the extra clutter from a site that has graphics. I mainly use internet explorer but I have used firefox or the webbie browser on occasion.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 6:33 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA preferred browser

 

Hi Rosemarie,

 

You are absolutely correct - and it's not something that's specific to screen reader users either.  I haven't looked at Webbie for awhile, I must try it again.  I didn't mention Edge originally as the question was specifically related to Windows 7.  Our support for Edge has been higher than other screen readers to date, but Edge itself is not yet at a point where we'd recommend it generally.

 

Regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 10:03 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:

Hi, Quentin,

 

I have firefox, the webbie browser, edge and internet explorer. It never hurts to have more than one browserin case something doesn't work with your main browser.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

On 11/30/2016 1:50 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:

Hi Glenn,

 

The short answer is that it pays to have access to several browsers.  There are sites which, for various reasons, just work better in one browser over others.  NVDA works in Firefox, Chrome and Internet Explorer.  I had an example just before where a particular site / aria element worked better with NVDA in Chrome than Firefox.  

 

On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 3:18 AM, <glenn.bradford@...> wrote:

Hello - Is Firefox the recommended browser in for NVDA in Windows 7? Wondering if IE11 is considered a viable option as I am testing accessibility for a number of sites. Per the SSB Bart site "The second most widely used screen reader, NVDA, is hard coded to work best in Firefox. This includes ARIA support." Is that still an accurate statement?


SSB Bart article is at http://www.ssbbartgroup.com/blog/how-browsers-interact-with-screen-readers-and-where-aria-fits-in-the-mix/

 

 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

 

Direct: +61 413 904 383
www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 

 



 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

 

Direct: +61 413 904 383
www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


Gene
 

I'm not sure what you are referring to.  Do you mean something that might say something with an extension such as gif?  If so, such items are negligible..
 
Gene
----- Original Messagge -----

Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 10:06 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA preferred browser

I'm talking about images that you see on some web pages. I don't use webbie that much because I do know how to navigate most web pages.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 7:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA preferred browser

 

If you know how to navigate web pages effectively, what you are discussing isn't a problem.  I don't know what you are referring to.  You see links and various fields in Webbie as you do in other browsers.  I don't know how Webbie describes image links but image links often contain useful information even if they aren't labeled properly.  I don't know what you are describing as graphical.  Aside from image links and at times, this or that image I may see on screen, I do not see graphical clutter. 

 

Further discussion might allow us to know what you are describing but at present, I don't know.

 

I don't know what the newer version of Webbie is like.  The old version used a very different interface than is now standard in screen-readers when used with browsers. 

 

Webbie used to have a useful place before a capable free screen-reader was available.  Before NVDA, free screen-readers were very limited and couldn't work with standard browsers.  But those days are long gone. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 8:41 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA preferred browser

 

Hi, Quentin,

 

The nice thing about the webbie browser is that it takes the extra clutter from a site that has graphics. I mainly use internet explorer but I have used firefox or the webbie browser on occasion.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 6:33 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA preferred browser

 

Hi Rosemarie,

 

You are absolutely correct - and it's not something that's specific to screen reader users either.  I haven't looked at Webbie for awhile, I must try it again.  I didn't mention Edge originally as the question was specifically related to Windows 7.  Our support for Edge has been higher than other screen readers to date, but Edge itself is not yet at a point where we'd recommend it generally.

 

Regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 10:03 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:

Hi, Quentin,

 

I have firefox, the webbie browser, edge and internet explorer. It never hurts to have more than one browserin case something doesn't work with your main browser.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

On 11/30/2016 1:50 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:

Hi Glenn,

 

The short answer is that it pays to have access to several browsers.  There are sites which, for various reasons, just work better in one browser over others.  NVDA works in Firefox, Chrome and Internet Explorer.  I had an example just before where a particular site / aria element worked better with NVDA in Chrome than Firefox.  

 

On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 3:18 AM, <glenn.bradford@...> wrote:

Hello - Is Firefox the recommended browser in for NVDA in Windows 7? Wondering if IE11 is considered a viable option as I am testing accessibility for a number of sites. Per the SSB Bart site "The second most widely used screen reader, NVDA, is hard coded to work best in Firefox. This includes ARIA support." Is that still an accurate statement?


SSB Bart article is at http://www.ssbbartgroup.com/blog/how-browsers-interact-with-screen-readers-and-where-aria-fits-in-the-mix/

 

 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

 

Direct: +61 413 904 383
www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 

 



 

--

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Training Material Developer

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

 

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Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Well everybody will have IE 11 if using windows 7 as I do, and as long as it and Firefox can access stuff, in my view the only other one worth considering is Chrome, but I tend to find Chrome a bit of an ever changing playing field, ie they fix one thing then break something else.

IE 11 will not of course be updated and one needs to respect the decision of Microsoft to only update Edge from the Windows 10 platform in any way other than security updates.
Most of the other browsers are basically built on to one of the previously mentioned html engines in any case, with the possible exception of text only browsers that tend to use the default ms browser with an additional display screen. Supporting Webbie and Guide browsers is something, sadly that nobody seems to be interested in, resulting in some very strange effects if you use those browser overlays on normal a pages.
I would however say that keeping pages simple is the best way to get folk to visit your site. Most of the pages with menus and sub menus I and others find long winded and a little awkward to navigate, requiring a much better knowledge of the screenreader to operate them.
Brian

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Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 4:18 PM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA preferred browser


Hello - Is Firefox the recommended browser in for NVDA in Windows 7? Wondering if IE11 is considered a viable option as I am testing accessibility for a number of sites. Per the SSB Bart site "The second most widely used screen reader, NVDA, is hard coded to work best in Firefox. This includes ARIA support." Is that still an accurate statement?

SSB Bart article is at http://www.ssbbartgroup.com/blog/how-browsers-interact-with-screen-readers-and-where-aria-fits-in-the-mix/ ( http://www.ssbbartgroup.com/blog/how-browsers-interact-with-screen-readers-and-where-aria-fits-in-the-mix/ )


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And this really works does it, have to say it still left loads of twitface links in stuff i tried it on a while back.
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Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA preferred browser


Rosemarie,

The Firefox browser also has a feature, known as reader mode, which declutters a Web page by removing extraneous links, leaving you with just the text of an article or blog post you might be reading. It won't work with all pages but works with pages containing a large group of text, such as a news story. It's available in the View menu or you can just press ctrl-alt-R to toggle it on and off.

David Goldfield,
Assistive Technology Specialist

Feel free to visit my Web site
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On 11/30/2016 9:41 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, Quentin,

The nice thing about the webbie browser is that it takes the extra clutter from a site that has graphics. I mainly use internet explorer but I have used firefox or the webbie browser on occasion.

Rosemarie

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 6:33 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA preferred browser

Hi Rosemarie,

You are absolutely correct - and it's not something that's specific to screen reader users either. I haven't looked at Webbie for awhile, I must try it again. I didn't mention Edge originally as the question was specifically related to Windows 7. Our support for Edge has been higher than other screen readers to date, but Edge itself is not yet at a point where we'd recommend it generally.

Regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 10:03 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@gmail.com<mailto:knitqueen2007@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi, Quentin,



I have firefox, the webbie browser, edge and internet explorer. It never hurts to have more than one browserin case something doesn't work with your main browser.



Rosemarie




On 11/30/2016 1:50 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi Glenn,

The short answer is that it pays to have access to several browsers. There are sites which, for various reasons, just work better in one browser over others. NVDA works in Firefox, Chrome and Internet Explorer. I had an example just before where a particular site / aria element worked better with NVDA in Chrome than Firefox.

On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 3:18 AM, <glenn.bradford@gmail.com<mailto:glenn.bradford@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hello - Is Firefox the recommended browser in for NVDA in Windows 7? Wondering if IE11 is considered a viable option as I am testing accessibility for a number of sites. Per the SSB Bart site "The second most widely used screen reader, NVDA, is hard coded to work best in Firefox. This includes ARIA support." Is that still an accurate statement?

SSB Bart article is at http://www.ssbbartgroup.com/blog/how-browsers-interact-with-screen-readers-and-where-aria-fits-in-the-mix/


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----- Original Message -----
From: "Rosemarie Chavarria" <knitqueen2007@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2016 4:06 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA preferred browser


I'm talking about images that you see on some web pages. I don't use webbie that much because I do know how to navigate most web pages.







From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 7:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA preferred browser



If you know how to navigate web pages effectively, what you are discussing isn't a problem. I don't know what you are referring to. You see links and various fields in Webbie as you do in other browsers. I don't know how Webbie describes image links but image links often contain useful information even if they aren't labeled properly. I don't know what you are describing as graphical. Aside from image links and at times, this or that image I may see on screen, I do not see graphical clutter.



Further discussion might allow us to know what you are describing but at present, I don't know.



I don't know what the newer version of Webbie is like. The old version used a very different interface than is now standard in screen-readers when used with browsers.



Webbie used to have a useful place before a capable free screen-reader was available. Before NVDA, free screen-readers were very limited and couldn't work with standard browsers. But those days are long gone.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Rosemarie Chavarria <mailto:knitqueen2007@gmail.com>

Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 8:41 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA preferred browser



Hi, Quentin,



The nice thing about the webbie browser is that it takes the extra clutter from a site that has graphics. I mainly use internet explorer but I have used firefox or the webbie browser on occasion.



Rosemarie



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 6:33 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA preferred browser



Hi Rosemarie,



You are absolutely correct - and it's not something that's specific to screen reader users either. I haven't looked at Webbie for awhile, I must try it again. I didn't mention Edge originally as the question was specifically related to Windows 7. Our support for Edge has been higher than other screen readers to date, but Edge itself is not yet at a point where we'd recommend it generally.



Regards



Quentin.



On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 10:03 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@gmail.com <mailto:knitqueen2007@gmail.com> > wrote:

Hi, Quentin,



I have firefox, the webbie browser, edge and internet explorer. It never hurts to have more than one browserin case something doesn't work with your main browser.



Rosemarie





On 11/30/2016 1:50 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:

Hi Glenn,



The short answer is that it pays to have access to several browsers. There are sites which, for various reasons, just work better in one browser over others. NVDA works in Firefox, Chrome and Internet Explorer. I had an example just before where a particular site / aria element worked better with NVDA in Chrome than Firefox.



On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 3:18 AM, <glenn.bradford@gmail.com <mailto:glenn.bradford@gmail.com> > wrote:

Hello - Is Firefox the recommended browser in for NVDA in Windows 7? Wondering if IE11 is considered a viable option as I am testing accessibility for a number of sites. Per the SSB Bart site "The second most widely used screen reader, NVDA, is hard coded to work best in Firefox. This includes ARIA support." Is that still an accurate statement?


SSB Bart article is at http://www.ssbbartgroup.com/blog/how-browsers-interact-with-screen-readers-and-where-aria-fits-in-the-mix/





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One of the current annoyances are huge long javascript links that make no sense to anyone but a machine.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2016 4:30 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA preferred browser


I'm not sure what you are referring to. Do you mean something that might say something with an extension such as gif? If so, such items are negligible..

Gene
----- Original Messagge -----

From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 10:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA preferred browser


I'm talking about images that you see on some web pages. I don't use webbie that much because I do know how to navigate most web pages.







From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 7:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA preferred browser



If you know how to navigate web pages effectively, what you are discussing isn't a problem. I don't know what you are referring to. You see links and various fields in Webbie as you do in other browsers. I don't know how Webbie describes image links but image links often contain useful information even if they aren't labeled properly. I don't know what you are describing as graphical. Aside from image links and at times, this or that image I may see on screen, I do not see graphical clutter.



Further discussion might allow us to know what you are describing but at present, I don't know.



I don't know what the newer version of Webbie is like. The old version used a very different interface than is now standard in screen-readers when used with browsers.



Webbie used to have a useful place before a capable free screen-reader was available. Before NVDA, free screen-readers were very limited and couldn't work with standard browsers. But those days are long gone.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Rosemarie Chavarria

Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 8:41 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA preferred browser



Hi, Quentin,



The nice thing about the webbie browser is that it takes the extra clutter from a site that has graphics. I mainly use internet explorer but I have used firefox or the webbie browser on occasion.



Rosemarie



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 6:33 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA preferred browser



Hi Rosemarie,



You are absolutely correct - and it's not something that's specific to screen reader users either. I haven't looked at Webbie for awhile, I must try it again. I didn't mention Edge originally as the question was specifically related to Windows 7. Our support for Edge has been higher than other screen readers to date, but Edge itself is not yet at a point where we'd recommend it generally.



Regards



Quentin.



On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 10:03 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi, Quentin,



I have firefox, the webbie browser, edge and internet explorer. It never hurts to have more than one browserin case something doesn't work with your main browser.



Rosemarie





On 11/30/2016 1:50 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:

Hi Glenn,



The short answer is that it pays to have access to several browsers. There are sites which, for various reasons, just work better in one browser over others. NVDA works in Firefox, Chrome and Internet Explorer. I had an example just before where a particular site / aria element worked better with NVDA in Chrome than Firefox.



On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 3:18 AM, <glenn.bradford@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello - Is Firefox the recommended browser in for NVDA in Windows 7? Wondering if IE11 is considered a viable option as I am testing accessibility for a number of sites. Per the SSB Bart site "The second most widely used screen reader, NVDA, is hard coded to work best in Firefox. This includes ARIA support." Is that still an accurate statement?


SSB Bart article is at http://www.ssbbartgroup.com/blog/how-browsers-interact-with-screen-readers-and-where-aria-fits-in-the-mix/





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Training Material Developer

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/



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Direct: +61 413 904 383
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Gene
 

But we still have no examples or explanation of what is meant by images.  We have no way of evaluating what is  being discussed. 

Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2016 5:45 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA preferred browser

One of the current annoyances are huge long javascript links that make no
sense to anyone but a machine.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2016 4:30 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA preferred browser


I'm not sure what you are referring to.  Do you mean something that might
say something with an extension such as gif?  If so, such items are
negligible..

Gene
----- Original Messagge -----

From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 10:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA preferred browser


I'm talking about images that you see on some web pages. I don't use webbie
that much because I do know how to navigate most web pages.







From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 7:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA preferred browser



If you know how to navigate web pages effectively, what you are discussing
isn't a problem.  I don't know what you are referring to.  You see links and
various fields in Webbie as you do in other browsers.  I don't know how
Webbie describes image links but image links often contain useful
information even if they aren't labeled properly.  I don't know what you are
describing as graphical.  Aside from image links and at times, this or that
image I may see on screen, I do not see graphical clutter.



Further discussion might allow us to know what you are describing but at
present, I don't know.



I don't know what the newer version of Webbie is like.  The old version used
a very different interface than is now standard in screen-readers when used
with browsers.



Webbie used to have a useful place before a capable free screen-reader was
available.  Before NVDA, free screen-readers were very limited and couldn't
work with standard browsers.  But those days are long gone.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Rosemarie Chavarria

Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 8:41 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA preferred browser



Hi, Quentin,



The nice thing about the webbie browser is that it takes the extra clutter
from a site that has graphics. I mainly use internet explorer but I have
used firefox or the webbie browser on occasion.



Rosemarie



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin
Christensen
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 6:33 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA preferred browser



Hi Rosemarie,



You are absolutely correct - and it's not something that's specific to
screen reader users either.  I haven't looked at Webbie for awhile, I must
try it again.  I didn't mention Edge originally as the question was
specifically related to Windows 7.  Our support for Edge has been higher
than other screen readers to date, but Edge itself is not yet at a point
where we'd recommend it generally.



Regards



Quentin.



On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 10:03 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria
<knitqueen2007@...> wrote:

  Hi, Quentin,



  I have firefox, the webbie browser, edge and internet explorer. It never
hurts to have more than one browserin case something doesn't work with your
main browser.



  Rosemarie





  On 11/30/2016 1:50 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:

    Hi Glenn,



    The short answer is that it pays to have access to several browsers.
There are sites which, for various reasons, just work better in one browser
over others.  NVDA works in Firefox, Chrome and Internet Explorer.  I had an
example just before where a particular site / aria element worked better
with NVDA in Chrome than Firefox.



    On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 3:18 AM, <glenn.bradford@...> wrote:

      Hello - Is Firefox the recommended browser in for NVDA in Windows 7?
Wondering if IE11 is considered a viable option as I am testing
accessibility for a number of sites. Per the SSB Bart site "The second most
widely used screen reader, NVDA, is hard coded to work best in Firefox. This
includes ARIA support." Is that still an accurate statement?


      SSB Bart article is at
http://www.ssbbartgroup.com/blog/how-browsers-interact-with-screen-readers-and-where-aria-fits-in-the-mix/





    --

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    Training Material Developer

    Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now
available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/



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    Direct: +61 413 904 383
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glenn.bradford@...
 

Thanks for your reply Quentin! That's good to know. There is a persistent discussion/claim that NVDA is hardcoded for Firefox, and I can squash that thinking now. If we find issues unique to a given browser, we'll report 'em.

Regards,

Glenn


Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Yes.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 8:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA preferred browser

 

I'm not sure what you are referring to.  Do you mean something that might say something with an extension such as gif?  If so, such items are negligible..

 

Gene

----- Original Messagge -----

Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 10:06 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA preferred browser

 

I'm talking about images that you see on some web pages. I don't use webbie that much because I do know how to navigate most web pages.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 7:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA preferred browser

 

If you know how to navigate web pages effectively, what you are discussing isn't a problem.  I don't know what you are referring to.  You see links and various fields in Webbie as you do in other browsers.  I don't know how Webbie describes image links but image links often contain useful information even if they aren't labeled properly.  I don't know what you are describing as graphical.  Aside from image links and at times, this or that image I may see on screen, I do not see graphical clutter. 

 

Further discussion might allow us to know what you are describing but at present, I don't know.

 

I don't know what the newer version of Webbie is like.  The old version used a very different interface than is now standard in screen-readers when used with browsers. 

 

Webbie used to have a useful place before a capable free screen-reader was available.  Before NVDA, free screen-readers were very limited and couldn't work with standard browsers.  But those days are long gone. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 8:41 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA preferred browser

 

Hi, Quentin,

 

The nice thing about the webbie browser is that it takes the extra clutter from a site that has graphics. I mainly use internet explorer but I have used firefox or the webbie browser on occasion.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 6:33 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA preferred browser

 

Hi Rosemarie,

 

You are absolutely correct - and it's not something that's specific to screen reader users either.  I haven't looked at Webbie for awhile, I must try it again.  I didn't mention Edge originally as the question was specifically related to Windows 7.  Our support for Edge has been higher than other screen readers to date, but Edge itself is not yet at a point where we'd recommend it generally.

 

Regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 10:03 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:

Hi, Quentin,

 

I have firefox, the webbie browser, edge and internet explorer. It never hurts to have more than one browserin case something doesn't work with your main browser.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

On 11/30/2016 1:50 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:

Hi Glenn,

 

The short answer is that it pays to have access to several browsers.  There are sites which, for various reasons, just work better in one browser over others.  NVDA works in Firefox, Chrome and Internet Explorer.  I had an example just before where a particular site / aria element worked better with NVDA in Chrome than Firefox.  

 

On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 3:18 AM, <glenn.bradford@...> wrote:

Hello - Is Firefox the recommended browser in for NVDA in Windows 7? Wondering if IE11 is considered a viable option as I am testing accessibility for a number of sites. Per the SSB Bart site "The second most widely used screen reader, NVDA, is hard coded to work best in Firefox. This includes ARIA support." Is that still an accurate statement?


SSB Bart article is at http://www.ssbbartgroup.com/blog/how-browsers-interact-with-screen-readers-and-where-aria-fits-in-the-mix/

 

 

--

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Training Material Developer

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

 

Direct: +61 413 904 383
www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 

 



 

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Gene
 

Those sorts of things take very little time to listen to when on web pages and they are often missed when effective browsing techniques are used. 
 
gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2016 9:34 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA preferred browser

Yes.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 8:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA preferred browser

 

I'm not sure what you are referring to.  Do you mean something that might say something with an extension such as gif?  If so, such items are negligible..

 

Gene

----- Original Messagge -----

Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 10:06 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA preferred browser

 

I'm talking about images that you see on some web pages. I don't use webbie that much because I do know how to navigate most web pages.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 7:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA preferred browser

 

If you know how to navigate web pages effectively, what you are discussing isn't a problem.  I don't know what you are referring to.  You see links and various fields in Webbie as you do in other browsers.  I don't know how Webbie describes image links but image links often contain useful information even if they aren't labeled properly.  I don't know what you are describing as graphical.  Aside from image links and at times, this or that image I may see on screen, I do not see graphical clutter. 

 

Further discussion might allow us to know what you are describing but at present, I don't know.

 

I don't know what the newer version of Webbie is like.  The old version used a very different interface than is now standard in screen-readers when used with browsers. 

 

Webbie used to have a useful place before a capable free screen-reader was available.  Before NVDA, free screen-readers were very limited and couldn't work with standard browsers.  But those days are long gone. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 8:41 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA preferred browser

 

Hi, Quentin,

 

The nice thing about the webbie browser is that it takes the extra clutter from a site that has graphics. I mainly use internet explorer but I have used firefox or the webbie browser on occasion.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 6:33 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA preferred browser

 

Hi Rosemarie,

 

You are absolutely correct - and it's not something that's specific to screen reader users either.  I haven't looked at Webbie for awhile, I must try it again.  I didn't mention Edge originally as the question was specifically related to Windows 7.  Our support for Edge has been higher than other screen readers to date, but Edge itself is not yet at a point where we'd recommend it generally.

 

Regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 10:03 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:

Hi, Quentin,

 

I have firefox, the webbie browser, edge and internet explorer. It never hurts to have more than one browserin case something doesn't work with your main browser.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

On 11/30/2016 1:50 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:

Hi Glenn,

 

The short answer is that it pays to have access to several browsers.  There are sites which, for various reasons, just work better in one browser over others.  NVDA works in Firefox, Chrome and Internet Explorer.  I had an example just before where a particular site / aria element worked better with NVDA in Chrome than Firefox.  

 

On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 3:18 AM, <glenn.bradford@...> wrote:

Hello - Is Firefox the recommended browser in for NVDA in Windows 7? Wondering if IE11 is considered a viable option as I am testing accessibility for a number of sites. Per the SSB Bart site "The second most widely used screen reader, NVDA, is hard coded to work best in Firefox. This includes ARIA support." Is that still an accurate statement?


SSB Bart article is at http://www.ssbbartgroup.com/blog/how-browsers-interact-with-screen-readers-and-where-aria-fits-in-the-mix/

 

 

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hi.
the principles of all browsers with screen readers are the same or at
least, near to each others.
but i recommend firefox for security, speed, more accessibility, less
system resources etc.
God bless you all.

On 12/2/16, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
Those sorts of things take very little time to listen to when on web pages
and they are often missed when effective browsing techniques are used.

gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2016 9:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA preferred browser


Yes.







From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 8:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA preferred browser



I'm not sure what you are referring to. Do you mean something that might
say something with an extension such as gif? If so, such items are
negligible..



Gene

----- Original Messagge -----

From: Rosemarie Chavarria

Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 10:06 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA preferred browser



I'm talking about images that you see on some web pages. I don't use webbie
that much because I do know how to navigate most web pages.







From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 7:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA preferred browser



If you know how to navigate web pages effectively, what you are discussing
isn't a problem. I don't know what you are referring to. You see links and
various fields in Webbie as you do in other browsers. I don't know how
Webbie describes image links but image links often contain useful
information even if they aren't labeled properly. I don't know what you are
describing as graphical. Aside from image links and at times, this or that
image I may see on screen, I do not see graphical clutter.



Further discussion might allow us to know what you are describing but at
present, I don't know.



I don't know what the newer version of Webbie is like. The old version used
a very different interface than is now standard in screen-readers when used
with browsers.



Webbie used to have a useful place before a capable free screen-reader was
available. Before NVDA, free screen-readers were very limited and couldn't
work with standard browsers. But those days are long gone.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Rosemarie Chavarria

Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 8:41 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA preferred browser



Hi, Quentin,



The nice thing about the webbie browser is that it takes the extra clutter
from a site that has graphics. I mainly use internet explorer but I have
used firefox or the webbie browser on occasion.



Rosemarie



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin
Christensen
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 6:33 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA preferred browser



Hi Rosemarie,



You are absolutely correct - and it's not something that's specific to
screen reader users either. I haven't looked at Webbie for awhile, I must
try it again. I didn't mention Edge originally as the question was
specifically related to Windows 7. Our support for Edge has been higher
than other screen readers to date, but Edge itself is not yet at a point
where we'd recommend it generally.



Regards



Quentin.



On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 10:03 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria
<knitqueen2007@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi, Quentin,



I have firefox, the webbie browser, edge and internet explorer. It never
hurts to have more than one browserin case something doesn't work with your
main browser.



Rosemarie





On 11/30/2016 1:50 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:

Hi Glenn,



The short answer is that it pays to have access to several browsers.
There are sites which, for various reasons, just work better in one browser
over others. NVDA works in Firefox, Chrome and Internet Explorer. I had an
example just before where a particular site / aria element worked better
with NVDA in Chrome than Firefox.



On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 3:18 AM, <glenn.bradford@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello - Is Firefox the recommended browser in for NVDA in Windows 7?
Wondering if IE11 is considered a viable option as I am testing
accessibility for a number of sites. Per the SSB Bart site "The second most
widely used screen reader, NVDA, is hard coded to work best in Firefox. This
includes ARIA support." Is that still an accurate statement?


SSB Bart article is at
http://www.ssbbartgroup.com/blog/how-browsers-interact-with-screen-readers-and-where-aria-fits-in-the-mix/





--

Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now
available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/



Ph +61 7 3149 3306

Direct: +61 413 904 383
www.nvaccess.org
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess









--

Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available:
http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/



Ph +61 7 3149 3306

Direct: +61 413 904 383
www.nvaccess.org
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess


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