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removing a forgotten password


Pascal Lambert
 

Please, need your urgent help.  I need to remove a forgotten password on a laptop I need to access.

It is an HP laptop using Win10.

Many thanks.

Blessings.

Pascal

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 9:05 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Word Processor

 

Also, these sorts of attributes can be found by opening the menus, opening tools, then opening fonts from the tools submenu.

Select a fond in the list.

Then tab once.  You will be in a list of attributes for the font, italics being one.  I didn't tab further to see what else is in the dialog.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Gene

Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 7:55 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Word Processor

 

You can set fonts.  It is more or less the case that if the old Wordpad can do something, HJPad can do it.  If you type a sentence and use control I to toggle between italics on and off, the text will be italicized where indicated.  I see no reason to believe other such commands are absent.  I haven't seen this stated anywhere, but just comparing the old Wordpad to HJPad, even the name, indicates that it was built on the old WordPad.  It was intended for use with JAWS basic training material.  It may be that the basic training material has changed to the point where HJPad isn't as useful with it as before. 

 

Those who are curious will find, in the HJPad menus under tools, a submenu named sample dialogs.  It is interesting to play around with the sample dialogs.  Some of them would still make good teaching tools and references.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 7:37 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Word Processor

 

HJPad does appear to have been removed as an explicitly supported
Utility in Jaws but I actually found it buried away in a strange
location even with Jaws 18.

Quite why it would be hidden in this location I do not know.

It does have a spell checker but little else really. As far as I can
tell you can edit the font but cannot set any font attributes like bold,
italic, or underline.


I always saw it as really a possible notepad replacement rather than a
word processor.

Despite being buried away it does still work.


Anyway I found it on my system under the follwoing very odd path


C:\Windows\Installer\$PatchCache$\Managed\38E784264F70E08468F74BA4CC2F4C2E\18.0.1835\HJPAD.EXE



David Griffith

David Griffith
On 16/01/2017 10:10, Robert Kingett wrote:
> I have not seen any H J Pad, but OpenOffice is the most accessible
> word processor besides Microsoft word. There is Jarte, of course, but
> I do not count that because you have to pay to get all of the features.
>
>
>



 

Is the password in question in the laptop bios or is it in windows itself.
if its the former there is little you can do bar buy another mutherboard or another laptop.
If its in windows, if you have a password reset disk then you can probably reset the password.
if not, you could use your windows installation disk and reformat and reinstall windows.
If you can get a win7 pe or 10 talking pe, I think its on opopanax.net but I forget I think http://dl.opopanax.net/files should be it, then you should be able to get that backup your user files then reinstall windows.
On that note, I do wander if you make a password reset disk on another computer you can then use it on a windows computer you have lost the password.

On 17/01/2017 6:48 a.m., Pascal Lambert wrote:
Please, need your urgent help. I need to remove a forgotten password on a laptop I need to access.

It is an HP laptop using Win10.

Many thanks.

Blessings.

Pascal



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 9:05 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Word Processor



Also, these sorts of attributes can be found by opening the menus, opening tools, then opening fonts from the tools submenu.

Select a fond in the list.

Then tab once. You will be in a list of attributes for the font, italics being one. I didn't tab further to see what else is in the dialog.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Gene <mailto:gsasner@...>

Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 7:55 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Word Processor



You can set fonts. It is more or less the case that if the old Wordpad can do something, HJPad can do it. If you type a sentence and use control I to toggle between italics on and off, the text will be italicized where indicated. I see no reason to believe other such commands are absent. I haven't seen this stated anywhere, but just comparing the old Wordpad to HJPad, even the name, indicates that it was built on the old WordPad. It was intended for use with JAWS basic training material. It may be that the basic training material has changed to the point where HJPad isn't as useful with it as before.



Those who are curious will find, in the HJPad menus under tools, a submenu named sample dialogs. It is interesting to play around with the sample dialogs. Some of them would still make good teaching tools and references.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: David Griffith <mailto:daj.griffith@...>

Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 7:37 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Word Processor



HJPad does appear to have been removed as an explicitly supported
Utility in Jaws but I actually found it buried away in a strange
location even with Jaws 18.

Quite why it would be hidden in this location I do not know.

It does have a spell checker but little else really. As far as I can
tell you can edit the font but cannot set any font attributes like bold,
italic, or underline.


I always saw it as really a possible notepad replacement rather than a
word processor.

Despite being buried away it does still work.


Anyway I found it on my system under the follwoing very odd path


C:\Windows\Installer\$PatchCache$\Managed\38E784264F70E08468F74BA4CC2F4C2E\18.0.1835\HJPAD.EXE



David Griffith

David Griffith
On 16/01/2017 10:10, Robert Kingett wrote:
I have not seen any H J Pad, but OpenOffice is the most accessible
word processor besides Microsoft word. There is Jarte, of course, but
I do not count that because you have to pay to get all of the features.








Pascal Lambert
 

It is in windows itself.
Thanks
Blessings
Pascal

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 5:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] removing a forgotten password

Is the password in question in the laptop bios or is it in windows itself.
if its the former there is little you can do bar buy another mutherboard or another laptop.
If its in windows, if you have a password reset disk then you can probably reset the password.
if not, you could use your windows installation disk and reformat and reinstall windows.
If you can get a win7 pe or 10 talking pe, I think its on opopanax.net but I forget I think http://dl.opopanax.net/files should be it, then you should be able to get that backup your user files then reinstall windows.
On that note, I do wander if you make a password reset disk on another computer you can then use it on a windows computer you have lost the password.



On 17/01/2017 6:48 a.m., Pascal Lambert wrote:
Please, need your urgent help. I need to remove a forgotten password on a laptop I need to access.

It is an HP laptop using Win10.

Many thanks.

Blessings.

Pascal



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Gene
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 9:05 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Word Processor



Also, these sorts of attributes can be found by opening the menus, opening tools, then opening fonts from the tools submenu.

Select a fond in the list.

Then tab once. You will be in a list of attributes for the font, italics being one. I didn't tab further to see what else is in the dialog.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Gene <mailto:gsasner@...>

Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 7:55 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Word Processor



You can set fonts. It is more or less the case that if the old Wordpad can do something, HJPad can do it. If you type a sentence and use control I to toggle between italics on and off, the text will be italicized where indicated. I see no reason to believe other such commands are absent. I haven't seen this stated anywhere, but just comparing the old Wordpad to HJPad, even the name, indicates that it was built on the old WordPad. It was intended for use with JAWS basic training material. It may be that the basic training material has changed to the point where HJPad isn't as useful with it as before.



Those who are curious will find, in the HJPad menus under tools, a submenu named sample dialogs. It is interesting to play around with the sample dialogs. Some of them would still make good teaching tools and references.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: David Griffith <mailto:daj.griffith@...>

Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 7:37 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Word Processor



HJPad does appear to have been removed as an explicitly supported
Utility in Jaws but I actually found it buried away in a strange
location even with Jaws 18.

Quite why it would be hidden in this location I do not know.

It does have a spell checker but little else really. As far as I can
tell you can edit the font but cannot set any font attributes like
bold, italic, or underline.


I always saw it as really a possible notepad replacement rather than a
word processor.

Despite being buried away it does still work.


Anyway I found it on my system under the follwoing very odd path


C:\Windows\Installer\$PatchCache$\Managed\38E784264F70E08468F74BA4CC2F
4C2E\18.0.1835\HJPAD.EXE



David Griffith

David Griffith
On 16/01/2017 10:10, Robert Kingett wrote:
I have not seen any H J Pad, but OpenOffice is the most accessible
word processor besides Microsoft word. There is Jarte, of course, but
I do not count that because you have to pay to get all of the features.








V Stuart Foote
 

For BIOS you can reset the BIOS/UEFI to clear the password (manual for your MotherBoard should have guidance) but then may have some OS reconfiguration to do.

For a forgotten Windows passphrase the Ulitmate Boot CD provides utility in "Parted Magic" linux environment --or a command line Programs -> Password Tools and use the "NTPWEdit" utility.

In effect either will open the Security Account Manager (SAM) values in the Windows registry, and remove the hash value of the password effectively clearing it and allowing a no password login to the account on reboot into Windows. Some references below, but Google it for more guidance.

And honestly for either you may need sighted assistance.

Good luck.

=-refs-=

UBCD
http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/download.html

Parted
http://www.top-password.com/blog/reset-forgotten-windows-password-with-ultimate-boot-cd/

With NTPWEdit
http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/windows-vista/reset-your-forgotten-password-the-easy-way-using-the-ultimate-boot-cd-for-windows/


Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Not sure you can do this without some kind of hack tool.
I seem to recall that if you reinstall windows you can do it but that is not what you want I'd assume. If it were easy to do it there would be no point in having a passwordto start with.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Pascal Lambert" <rambeau68@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 5:48 PM
Subject: [nvda] removing a forgotten password


Please, need your urgent help. I need to remove a forgotten password on a laptop I need to access.

It is an HP laptop using Win10.

Many thanks.

Blessings.

Pascal



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 9:05 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Word Processor



Also, these sorts of attributes can be found by opening the menus, opening tools, then opening fonts from the tools submenu.

Select a fond in the list.

Then tab once. You will be in a list of attributes for the font, italics being one. I didn't tab further to see what else is in the dialog.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Gene <mailto:gsasner@...>

Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 7:55 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Word Processor



You can set fonts. It is more or less the case that if the old Wordpad can do something, HJPad can do it. If you type a sentence and use control I to toggle between italics on and off, the text will be italicized where indicated. I see no reason to believe other such commands are absent. I haven't seen this stated anywhere, but just comparing the old Wordpad to HJPad, even the name, indicates that it was built on the old WordPad. It was intended for use with JAWS basic training material. It may be that the basic training material has changed to the point where HJPad isn't as useful with it as before.



Those who are curious will find, in the HJPad menus under tools, a submenu named sample dialogs. It is interesting to play around with the sample dialogs. Some of them would still make good teaching tools and references.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: David Griffith <mailto:daj.griffith@...>

Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 7:37 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Word Processor



HJPad does appear to have been removed as an explicitly supported
Utility in Jaws but I actually found it buried away in a strange
location even with Jaws 18.

Quite why it would be hidden in this location I do not know.

It does have a spell checker but little else really. As far as I can
tell you can edit the font but cannot set any font attributes like bold,
italic, or underline.


I always saw it as really a possible notepad replacement rather than a
word processor.

Despite being buried away it does still work.


Anyway I found it on my system under the follwoing very odd path


C:\Windows\Installer\$PatchCache$\Managed\38E784264F70E08468F74BA4CC2F4C2E\18.0.1835\HJPAD.EXE



David Griffith

David Griffith
On 16/01/2017 10:10, Robert Kingett wrote:
I have not seen any H J Pad, but OpenOffice is the most accessible
word processor besides Microsoft word. There is Jarte, of course, but
I do not count that because you have to pay to get all of the features.



Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

There are hack tools for some bios passwords, but I understand its not trivial to actually get it to work.
I bet the folk who rip off peoples laptops have a way to do it!

Brian

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Please address personal email to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <@smeveriss>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 10:37 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] removing a forgotten password


Is the password in question in the laptop bios or is it in windows itself.
if its the former there is little you can do bar buy another mutherboard or another laptop.
If its in windows, if you have a password reset disk then you can probably reset the password.
if not, you could use your windows installation disk and reformat and reinstall windows.
If you can get a win7 pe or 10 talking pe, I think its on opopanax.net but I forget I think http://dl.opopanax.net/files should be it, then you should be able to get that backup your user files then reinstall windows.
On that note, I do wander if you make a password reset disk on another computer you can then use it on a windows computer you have lost the password.



On 17/01/2017 6:48 a.m., Pascal Lambert wrote:
Please, need your urgent help. I need to remove a forgotten password on a laptop I need to access.

It is an HP laptop using Win10.

Many thanks.

Blessings.

Pascal



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 9:05 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Word Processor



Also, these sorts of attributes can be found by opening the menus, opening tools, then opening fonts from the tools submenu.

Select a fond in the list.

Then tab once. You will be in a list of attributes for the font, italics being one. I didn't tab further to see what else is in the dialog.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Gene <mailto:gsasner@...>

Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 7:55 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Word Processor



You can set fonts. It is more or less the case that if the old Wordpad can do something, HJPad can do it. If you type a sentence and use control I to toggle between italics on and off, the text will be italicized where indicated. I see no reason to believe other such commands are absent. I haven't seen this stated anywhere, but just comparing the old Wordpad to HJPad, even the name, indicates that it was built on the old WordPad. It was intended for use with JAWS basic training material. It may be that the basic training material has changed to the point where HJPad isn't as useful with it as before.



Those who are curious will find, in the HJPad menus under tools, a submenu named sample dialogs. It is interesting to play around with the sample dialogs. Some of them would still make good teaching tools and references.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: David Griffith <mailto:daj.griffith@...>

Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 7:37 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Word Processor



HJPad does appear to have been removed as an explicitly supported
Utility in Jaws but I actually found it buried away in a strange
location even with Jaws 18.

Quite why it would be hidden in this location I do not know.

It does have a spell checker but little else really. As far as I can
tell you can edit the font but cannot set any font attributes like bold,
italic, or underline.


I always saw it as really a possible notepad replacement rather than a
word processor.

Despite being buried away it does still work.


Anyway I found it on my system under the follwoing very odd path


C:\Windows\Installer\$PatchCache$\Managed\38E784264F70E08468F74BA4CC2F4C2E\18.0.1835\HJPAD.EXE



David Griffith

David Griffith
On 16/01/2017 10:10, Robert Kingett wrote:
I have not seen any H J Pad, but OpenOffice is the most accessible
word processor besides Microsoft word. There is Jarte, of course, but
I do not count that because you have to pay to get all of the features.








Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Thats the one I remembr, lets hope he can do it.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "V Stuart Foote" <vstuart.foote@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2017 3:54 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] removing a forgotten password


For BIOS you can reset the BIOS/UEFI to clear the password (manual for your MotherBoard should have guidance) but then may have some OS reconfiguration to do.

For a forgotten Windows passphrase the Ulitmate Boot CD provides utility in "Parted Magic" linux environment --or a command line Programs -> Password Tools and use the "NTPWEdit" utility.

In effect either will open the Security Account Manager (SAM) values in the Windows registry, and remove the hash value of the password effectively clearing it and allowing a no password login to the account on reboot into Windows. Some references below, but Google it for more guidance.

And honestly for either you may need sighted assistance.

Good luck.

=-refs-=

UBCD
http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/download.html

Parted
http://www.top-password.com/blog/reset-forgotten-windows-password-with-ultimate-boot-cd/

With NTPWEdit
http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/windows-vista/reset-your-forgotten-password-the-easy-way-using-the-ultimate-boot-cd-for-windows/


Chris Mullins
 

Pascal
So you have a windows user log-in for which you have forgotten the password. Is there another user log-in available for you to access the machine and if so, does it have administrator privileges?

Regards
Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pascal Lambert
Sent: 17 January 2017 13:56
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] removing a forgotten password

It is in windows itself.
Thanks
Blessings
Pascal
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 5:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] removing a forgotten password

Is the password in question in the laptop bios or is it in windows itself.
if its the former there is little you can do bar buy another mutherboard or another laptop.
If its in windows, if you have a password reset disk then you can probably reset the password.
if not, you could use your windows installation disk and reformat and reinstall windows.
If you can get a win7 pe or 10 talking pe, I think its on opopanax.net but I forget I think http://dl.opopanax.net/files should be it, then you should be able to get that backup your user files then reinstall windows.
On that note, I do wander if you make a password reset disk on another computer you can then use it on a windows computer you have lost the password.



On 17/01/2017 6:48 a.m., Pascal Lambert wrote:
Please, need your urgent help. I need to remove a forgotten password on a laptop I need to access.

It is an HP laptop using Win10.

Many thanks.

Blessings.

Pascal



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Gene
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 9:05 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Word Processor



Also, these sorts of attributes can be found by opening the menus, opening tools, then opening fonts from the tools submenu.

Select a fond in the list.

Then tab once. You will be in a list of attributes for the font, italics being one. I didn't tab further to see what else is in the dialog.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Gene <mailto:gsasner@...>

Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 7:55 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Word Processor



You can set fonts. It is more or less the case that if the old Wordpad can do something, HJPad can do it. If you type a sentence and use control I to toggle between italics on and off, the text will be italicized where indicated. I see no reason to believe other such commands are absent. I haven't seen this stated anywhere, but just comparing the old Wordpad to HJPad, even the name, indicates that it was built on the old WordPad. It was intended for use with JAWS basic training material. It may be that the basic training material has changed to the point where HJPad isn't as useful with it as before.



Those who are curious will find, in the HJPad menus under tools, a submenu named sample dialogs. It is interesting to play around with the sample dialogs. Some of them would still make good teaching tools and references.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: David Griffith <mailto:daj.griffith@...>

Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 7:37 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Word Processor



HJPad does appear to have been removed as an explicitly supported
Utility in Jaws but I actually found it buried away in a strange
location even with Jaws 18.

Quite why it would be hidden in this location I do not know.

It does have a spell checker but little else really. As far as I can
tell you can edit the font but cannot set any font attributes like
bold, italic, or underline.


I always saw it as really a possible notepad replacement rather than a
word processor.

Despite being buried away it does still work.


Anyway I found it on my system under the follwoing very odd path


C:\Windows\Installer\$PatchCache$\Managed\38E784264F70E08468F74BA4CC2F
4C2E\18.0.1835\HJPAD.EXE



David Griffith

David Griffith
On 16/01/2017 10:10, Robert Kingett wrote:
I have not seen any H J Pad, but OpenOffice is the most accessible
word processor besides Microsoft word. There is Jarte, of course, but
I do not count that because you have to pay to get all of the features.