Anti virus recommendations
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Quentin Christensen
Hi everyone, There have been a couple of threads on the list lately about Anti-virus programs, and what different people do and don't recommend. I thought this might be a good time to collate ONLY the recommendations for accessible anti-virus programs in one place. I know a couple of people have suggested Sophos. Has anyone found any other anti-virus programs for which the current version definitely is accessible? Kind regards Quentin. Quentin Christensen Training Material Developer Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/ www.nvaccess.org Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess Twitter: @NVAccess |
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David Goldfield
Hi, Quentin. I use and highly recommend Kaspersky Antivirus. I wrote a detailed review of it from the standpoint of accessibility with NVDA. David Goldfield,
Assistive Technology Specialist
Feel free to visit my Web site
WWW.DavidGoldfield.Info
On 1/18/2017 8:27 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
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I would say Microsoft security essentials is accessible, fully. I can tell you what programs are certainly not fully accessible, though!
avast. not accessible. AVG. somewhat accessible. There is an open source one that is accessible but is no longer being updated. sorry, tat is all I got! I can't remember the name. darn! |
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David Goldfield
The open source antivirus program you might be referring to could be
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Clamwin. I used it many years ago. It did seem rather accessible but those who know me will know that we need to consider the program's overall ability to protect us as much as, if not more, than its level of screen reader accessibility. David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist Feel free to visit my Web site WWW.DavidGoldfield.Info On 1/18/2017 10:19 PM, Robert Kingett wrote:
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Unfortunately, the accessible programs are not the best. what about forks of clamwin? I am also thinking of one called casperskee but that is not 100% accessible. It can be used with a little time and patience. The latest installer is not accessible so you would need to teamviewer with someone sighted.
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coffeekingms@hotmail.com
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I Agree, MSE is a good first step. It's good enough for most people, especially now that it's built into windows 10. I'd go so far as to say it's good enough for nearly all cases, unless your company you work for mandates you use some other program. Of course there are other options, like avast, and avira, but avast was completely inaccessible the last time I tried it. To be completely honest though, this was several years ago before I found out about MSE. Avira might or might not be usable but both it and avast bug the hell out of you to get you to upgrade to the paid version, and I find that annoying. I also supplement windows defender, since I run windows 10 with periodic scans using clam anti virus on linux, but I would only recommend that to someone who already uses or plans to try linux, it's not something a novice windows user should do, since it means learning a new OS and not everyone is willing to do that. Just my two cents Kendell Clark On 1/18/2017 9:19 PM, Robert Kingett wrote:
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Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
hi Quentin
A while ago a list was put together on programs that work with NVDA. it is broken up into different sections and comes off my website at http://accessibilitycentral.net/nvda_road_tested_programs.html The list gets added to.
I do not think there is a wicki page for this sort of accessible programs for nvda that I know of apart from the one that was put together.
The anti virus stuff is under the anti malware section.
That page also has not been linked to the guide section as i already have some pages linked to it and this is off the website.
It hopefully guides the new user towards software that has been tested already by a few in the community. Plus there is other stuff that will help the new user only for a desktop for nvda users and with there selves.
Gene nz
On 19/01/2017 2:27 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
-- <b>Check out the new location of my accessibility central website for NVDA tutorials, NVDA road tested programs, and other eyesight related topics. http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/ If you would like to keep up to date with whats being updated on our website, you can also follow us on facebook by visiting the following link https://en-gb.facebook.com/people/AccessibilityCentral-Net/100009727930216 Also, check out which New Zealand libraries have the NVDA screen reader available by visiting the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries |
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Quentin Christensen
Thanks everyone! David, I had seen that review you did and pointed several people to it, I'd forgotten about that! Gene, thanks for the link to your site, I'll have a look through that now. Personally, I also use Defender under Windows 10, but it doesn't offer as much in earlier versions of Windows I believe, so it's good to have a few other resources available. Regards Quentin. On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 3:29 PM, Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:
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Ron Canazzi
Hi Group,
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From 2004 until 2010, Trend Micro Internet Security was very accessible. In 2011, they changed their interface from a standard menu system to an HTML type web interface. The problem is they used non standard coding for their HTML, so things like checking check boxes, clicking buttons and opening combo boxes simply wouldn't work. You could see everything, but could not interact with most things. I haven't checked this software out since 2011. Has anyone else done so since and has there been any improvements since then? I was working as a private beta tester for Freedom Scientific and I actually tried working with tech support at Trend Micro on and off for several weeks. Their tech support people were located in the Philippines and communication was difficult. They kept saying the issue would be addressed, but it never was back then. Any information would be greatly appreciated. On 1/18/2017 10:38 PM, Robert Kingett wrote:
Unfortunately, the accessible programs are not the best. what about forks of clamwin? I am also thinking of one called casperskee but that is not 100% accessible. It can be used with a little time and patience. The latest installer is not accessible so you would need to teamviewer with someone sighted. --
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You know, there is an article or several at http://technology.jaredrimer.net
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All on this issue. The main blogger aggrees with me. Most of the antimalware, intrusion protection, antivirus, and other so called security software is simply not accessable, though some of it may be at the current time. For myself if it was just me, I'd buy something my issue is that I have several users, that can't afford cash, I could technically handle sophos I suppose but these users don't want to be bogged down with computer errors. They don't get the same time as I do and or enjoy what the network has to offer. In other words, while I have set as much to automate, they should get monthly or bymonthly updates. I service their workstations and server units once a year just after christmas. I have a couple days to defrag hdds, update existing software, run antimalware and kill software, fix user issues, and other things. As well as fixing their clicking stuff they think was genuine and not clicking stuff that was. Its not enough to really secure a system with a 1-2 day window. Especially since its one week in a year and it needs to be working perfectly. Msse means that for the most part I can have my cake and eat it. If I could ownly know that whatever I chose would stay in ratings, continued to be accessible and would not cause major issues I'd go to that in a heartbeat. Oh and if it was low work to service and either had a free or lifetime subscription for up to 5-10 units, and not to many false positives. These users are busy people they don't have time to talk to me all the time and they want their units to work. While sophos may fit the bill what happens if it dropps off ratings or changes interface, etc. In short I am vary much suspecting that security software companies are ignoring our small userbase. After using msse I found babysitting security software is a big issue and now I don't have to do it well. I have blogged and other such things, and before you start owning my ass as a lot of you seem to do, you tell me how we can get these guys to do something in general. We have no cash to force the law and I am really not sure if that will even help. There is no reason for them for example to be not inaccessible. There are off the shelf libraries that incorperate screen readers at their core. One of them is tolque which teamtalk's qt interface uses. Granted teamtalk was accessible in the first place, but there are enough libs and stuff out there that if they didn't want to write an addon for jaws they could probably get away with doing that. What can we do to ensure that programs use standard controls. We almost have some sort of rating system and database of inaccessible programs and accessible ones and reviews of those. I am still not convinced that that would even help. Its been a stumbling block for a long, long time. I won't go into details that site has all the details. You have heard me once and you hear me again, it is a rant into the fires of nothingness. As threats come up, this gets discussed with no change in site. Even when those at avast told us they would get us past the capchas they had that wasn't really the point. Its why we have to have programs to crack captchas just to get the stupid things to work. And if we can get past those others can. On the other hand in most cases audio captchas including recaptcha have got a little better and in fact some can even be played back unlimited times at least more than twice or so and be downloadable as simple mp3 files. For me a security program should have a simple menu or web page interface similar to old avg or msse. One tab for scan, one for quarenteen, one tab for settings and one for protection. You could even put protection in settings. You could put quarenteen in a history of everything tab. So 2-3 tabs and its simple. Maybe an update tab, 4 tabs. Its all you need if you can't be bothered. Either that or we need some way to have an accessible interface to the net to run some sort of cloud system where you don't have to touch the software similar to sophos but can run it offline in an on demand mode if you wish. I have issues submitting to much online in the background if you don't have to. Its another part of your privacy gone, pluss it wastes bandwidth and thats quite important with costs like they are. On 19/01/2017 4:19 p.m., Robert Kingett wrote:
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Msse and windows defender are now going cloud based so windows defender is upgrading to cloud like sophos.
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I have malware bytes for those that do stupid things. For me I have a lot more passive than active protections. unchecky for boxes, noscript, ublock, privacy badger, https everywhere and beter privacy for firefox and chrome. most of the addons bar better privacy and noscript are on all the systems I maintain. Better privacy because not much uses flash and its a bit complex. Noscript because while it can work you need to spend time making a profile as you go of sites you visit, eventually if you like something you can allow it through but if it works don't bother, its how I have handled add filled sites like livejournal and mediafire. Its also good for not trusting add servers at facevalue, ie google analitics. I will gladly add as much passive protection as I can, active stuff uses more resource than passive. In fact the only thing that could get me into trouble is something I download or if I don't clear my junk files which in fact I do. On 19/01/2017 5:15 p.m., coffeekingms@... wrote:
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lali <l2belteki@...>
Sophos is soo good!
I love it+! -- mail: l2belteki@... skype: b.laller1986 |
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Roger Stewart
Is Security Essentials still around? Thought it is now called Windows Defender or maybe these are just 2 names for the same thing in Win 10.
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Roger On 1/18/2017 10:15 PM, coffeekingms@... wrote:
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Roger, Windows Defender has been Microsoft's Antivirus and Antimalware since the advent of Windows 8. It's what I recommend pretty much exclusively these days because it's truly a "set it and forget it" affair for the most part, is part of the software that comes with the operating system, and has improved greatly in its detection rates over the last several years so it's no longer "second tier" as far as I'm concerned. Prior to Windows 8, the Windows Defender name was applied to their antispyware and antimalware tool, and it shipped with Windows 7 and was on by default, and Micrsoft Security Essentials was the antivirus, and it was not a part of software shipped with the OS. It still exists and can be downloaded from the page I gave the link to if you're using Windows 7 or earlier. I wish they had just retired the Windows Defender name when they pretty much rolled what had been Windows Defender and Microsoft Security Essentials into a single, integrated product. I new name would have likely eliminated a lot of the confusion that regularly springs up. He discloses the workings of a mind to which incoherence lends an illusion of profundity. ~ T. De Vere White
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how do you add a file to a exception lists in windows defender On 1/19/2017 1:47 PM, Brian Vogel
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Since people have mentioned Clamwin, it's also a good option but if you want the realtime download scanning that is typical of most modern antivirus programs you also have to install Clam Sentinel along side it. Shawn Everiss has the right idea as far as installing as much passive protection as one feels one needs and as little active protection as one feels one can get away with. I have said before, and I will say again, that those who believe that active protection is the primary way of keeping oneself safe are truly deluding themselves. Most infections come about because the end users themselves are either careless in general, or give in to doing something that they realize they shouldn't have virtually the moment they've done it. I am constantly engaged in "disinfection tasks" as part of the work I do on a routine basis. When I start digging into how and when something became infected it is almost invariably, with the rarest of exceptions, because someone chose to ignore all the advice they've ever been given about what to do or not to do when interacting with cyberspace. Infections are far more often invited in via the "front door" than sneaking in the "back door." I've also been amazed at how many folks using third party antivirus or security suites will ignore, for months on end, messages from same that their subscriptions have expired or that they need to take some action to continue their protection. That's why I always favor a "set it and forget it" solution, even one that has a good rather than almost perfect detection rate, because it doesn't matter how good the detection rate happens to be if the software becomes inactive through user inaction. He discloses the workings of a mind to which incoherence lends an illusion of profundity. ~ T. De Vere White
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On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 12:57 pm, The Wolf wrote:
how do you add a file to a exception lists in windows defender Settings, Update & Security, Windows Defender Pane, Add an exclusion link. Then go through the options in the dialog presented to tweak files or folders to be excluded. -- He discloses the workings of a mind to which incoherence lends an illusion of profundity. ~ T. De Vere White
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Gene
Clamwin, at least the Windows version, has gotten
poor reviews for detection. I haven't read about other versions.
Regarding other comments, I find it disturbing how
casually many people simply disable something that presents the least
inconvenience. An example is the Internet Explorer Smart Screen.
Rather than deal with the minor inconvenience of being warned of known dangerous
sites when they visit one, they turn off the feature. You can bypass the
warning if you know it is incorrect for a given site but instead of dealing with
that minor inconvenience, the entire protection provided is turned off.
Gene ----- Original Message -----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2017 2:58 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Anti virus recommendations Since people have mentioned Clamwin, it's also a good option but if you want the realtime download scanning that is typical of most modern antivirus programs you also have to install Clam Sentinel along side it. Shawn Everiss has the right idea as far as installing as much passive protection as one feels one needs and as little active protection as one feels one can get away with. I have said before, and I will say again, that those who believe that active protection is the primary way of keeping oneself safe are truly deluding themselves. Most infections come about because the end users themselves are either careless in general, or give in to doing something that they realize they shouldn't have virtually the moment they've done it. I am constantly engaged in "disinfection tasks" as part of the work I do on a routine basis. When I start digging into how and when something became infected it is almost invariably, with the rarest of exceptions, because someone chose to ignore all the advice they've ever been given about what to do or not to do when interacting with cyberspace. Infections are far more often invited in via the "front door" than sneaking in the "back door." I've also been amazed at how many folks using third party antivirus or
security suites will ignore, for months on end, messages from same that their
subscriptions have expired or that they need to take some action to continue
their protection. That's why I always favor a "set it and forget it"
solution, even one that has a good rather than almost perfect detection rate,
because it doesn't matter how good the detection rate happens to be if the
software becomes inactive through user inaction. He discloses the workings of a mind to which incoherence lends an illusion of profundity. ~ T. De Vere White
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Arlene
You mean Microsoft Security? Yes it is. I think it will work for ten.
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Roger Stewart Sent: January-19-17 12:15 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Anti virus recommendations Is Security Essentials still around? Thought it is now called Windows Defender or maybe these are just 2 names for the same thing in Win 10. Roger On 1/18/2017 10:15 PM, coffeekingms@... wrote: hi |
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On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 01:35 pm, Gene wrote:
Rather than deal with the minor inconvenience of being warned of known dangerous sites when they visit one, they turn off the feature. If you consider the amount of false positive nagging that "Smart Screen" entails as a "minor inconvenience" then I can see why you fail to understand why people turn it off. Security is not improved by being the Chicken Little of cyberspace. I've disabled a number of things, and changed antivirus suites, almost exclusively because they've generated spurious false positives that I absolutely knew to be false positives. They're a far bigger threat than something that's quite a bit more lax but, when it identifies something as a threat, it is a threat. He discloses the workings of a mind to which incoherence lends an illusion of profundity. ~ T. De Vere White
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