NVDA doesn't always see buttons on a web page


Dennis L <dennisl1982@...>
 

Hi, NVDA doesn’t see the play button on a webpage however Jaws sees it.  What is the reason for this?


Gene
 

the play button may be a control in a Flash player.  Try going to the page, then make sure you are at the top,  Type the letter o and see if you land on an embedded object.  Press enter and try tabbing and shift tabbing.  Do you see any buttons?  Also, if that doesn't work, start over.  Close and reopen the browser, go to the web page again, make sure you are at the top then type o to move to the embedded object.  Now route the mouse to the current location of the object navigator with the command numpad insert numpad slash, the same key as for left click. 
Now press numpad slash by itself to left click the embedded object.  Does the file start to play? 
 
Remember two things when following these instructions for working with the mouse.  First, before starting the second set of instructions, make sure you are in object review.  Issue the command numpad insert numpad 1.  If you hear somethin like no previous review, you will already be in object review.  If you hear something that isn't object review but some other review, continue to issue the command until you get to object review. 
 
Remember not to press enter on the embedded object. 
And one more thing:
When I said to start over and close the browser, then open it and go to the page again, I did so to avoid any possible problems.  I wanted you to start from the beginning so we both knew exactly what you were doing.  But when not learning from these instructions, you don't have to do that.  You can, as I recall, return to the page by using a book mark without closing the browser first.  That will save you time.  But if you can't get the file to play, you can try closing the browser first to see if that makes any difference.  you can't get the file to play, you can close the browser, as I said initially. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Dennis L
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2017 3:51 PM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA doesn't always see buttons on a web page

Hi, NVDA doesn’t see the play button on a webpage however Jaws sees it.  What is the reason for this?


Dennis L <dennisl1982@...>
 

What is the numpad key?  I know where the insert key is but not the numpad key.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2017 5:16 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA doesn't always see buttons on a web page

 

the play button may be a control in a Flash player.  Try going to the page, then make sure you are at the top,  Type the letter o and see if you land on an embedded object.  Press enter and try tabbing and shift tabbing.  Do you see any buttons?  Also, if that doesn't work, start over.  Close and reopen the browser, go to the web page again, make sure you are at the top then type o to move to the embedded object.  Now route the mouse to the current location of the object navigator with the command numpad insert numpad slash, the same key as for left click. 

Now press numpad slash by itself to left click the embedded object.  Does the file start to play? 

 

Remember two things when following these instructions for working with the mouse.  First, before starting the second set of instructions, make sure you are in object review.  Issue the command numpad insert numpad 1.  If you hear somethin like no previous review, you will already be in object review.  If you hear something that isn't object review but some other review, continue to issue the command until you get to object review. 

 

Remember not to press enter on the embedded object. 

And one more thing:

When I said to start over and close the browser, then open it and go to the page again, I did so to avoid any possible problems.  I wanted you to start from the beginning so we both knew exactly what you were doing.  But when not learning from these instructions, you don't have to do that.  You can, as I recall, return to the page by using a book mark without closing the browser first.  That will save you time.  But if you can't get the file to play, you can try closing the browser first to see if that makes any difference.  you can't get the file to play, you can close the browser, as I said initially. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Dennis L

Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2017 3:51 PM

Subject: [nvda] NVDA doesn't always see buttons on a web page

 

Hi, NVDA doesn’t see the play button on a webpage however Jaws sees it.  What is the reason for this?


Quentin Christensen
 

Gene means the keys on the number pad.  In fact, when referring to "numpad insert", commands should work with whichever key you have set as the NVDA modifier key (numpad insert is the 0 on the number pad and "extended insert", is the key in the group "insert", "delete", home", "end", "page up", "page down" on a full sized keyboard).

Note also the command for switching to the previous review mode - NVDA+numpad 1, is the desktop layout command.  If you are using laptop keyboard layout, then it's NVDA+page down.

The command for clicking the left mouse button, is numpad Divide in desktop layout and NVDA+[ in laptop layout.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 11:57 AM, Dennis L <dennisl1982@...> wrote:

What is the numpad key?  I know where the insert key is but not the numpad key.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2017 5:16 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA doesn't always see buttons on a web page

 

the play button may be a control in a Flash player.  Try going to the page, then make sure you are at the top,  Type the letter o and see if you land on an embedded object.  Press enter and try tabbing and shift tabbing.  Do you see any buttons?  Also, if that doesn't work, start over.  Close and reopen the browser, go to the web page again, make sure you are at the top then type o to move to the embedded object.  Now route the mouse to the current location of the object navigator with the command numpad insert numpad slash, the same key as for left click. 

Now press numpad slash by itself to left click the embedded object.  Does the file start to play? 

 

Remember two things when following these instructions for working with the mouse.  First, before starting the second set of instructions, make sure you are in object review.  Issue the command numpad insert numpad 1.  If you hear somethin like no previous review, you will already be in object review.  If you hear something that isn't object review but some other review, continue to issue the command until you get to object review. 

 

Remember not to press enter on the embedded object. 

And one more thing:

When I said to start over and close the browser, then open it and go to the page again, I did so to avoid any possible problems.  I wanted you to start from the beginning so we both knew exactly what you were doing.  But when not learning from these instructions, you don't have to do that.  You can, as I recall, return to the page by using a book mark without closing the browser first.  That will save you time.  But if you can't get the file to play, you can try closing the browser first to see if that makes any difference.  you can't get the file to play, you can close the browser, as I said initially. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Dennis L

Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2017 3:51 PM

Subject: [nvda] NVDA doesn't always see buttons on a web page

 

Hi, NVDA doesn’t see the play button on a webpage however Jaws sees it.  What is the reason for this?




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Rosemarie Chavarria
 

The insert key is the numpad zero. If your caps lock is on, the insert key becomes zero on the numpad. That’s part of the keys on the number pad. That’s what’s meant by the numpad keys.
 
Hope this helps.
 
Rosemarie
 
 
 

From: Dennis L
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2017 4:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA doesn't always see buttons on a web page
 

What is the numpad key?  I know where the insert key is but not the numpad key.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2017 5:16 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA doesn't always see buttons on a web page

 

the play button may be a control in a Flash player.  Try going to the page, then make sure you are at the top,  Type the letter o and see if you land on an embedded object.  Press enter and try tabbing and shift tabbing.  Do you see any buttons?  Also, if that doesn't work, start over.  Close and reopen the browser, go to the web page again, make sure you are at the top then type o to move to the embedded object.  Now route the mouse to the current location of the object navigator with the command numpad insert numpad slash, the same key as for left click. 

Now press numpad slash by itself to left click the embedded object.  Does the file start to play? 

 

Remember two things when following these instructions for working with the mouse.  First, before starting the second set of instructions, make sure you are in object review.  Issue the command numpad insert numpad 1.  If you hear somethin like no previous review, you will already be in object review.  If you hear something that isn't object review but some other review, continue to issue the command until you get to object review. 

 

Remember not to press enter on the embedded object. 

And one more thing:

When I said to start over and close the browser, then open it and go to the page again, I did so to avoid any possible problems.  I wanted you to start from the beginning so we both knew exactly what you were doing.  But when not learning from these instructions, you don't have to do that.  You can, as I recall, return to the page by using a book mark without closing the browser first.  That will save you time.  But if you can't get the file to play, you can try closing the browser first to see if that makes any difference.  you can't get the file to play, you can close the browser, as I said initially. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Dennis L

Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2017 3:51 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] NVDA doesn't always see buttons on a web page

 

Hi, NVDA doesn’t see the play button on a webpage however Jaws sees it.  What is the reason for this?


Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Group,


Another technique that works on a few pages where NVDA does not see or does not activate buttons is to move to just before where the button is located and then to switch to edit mode with insert + space bar.  ten use the tab key to move to the button or sometimes it will say clickable item.  Then press space bar or enter and sometimes a player or link will be activated. I see this with the Tunein website for premium content.



On 1/24/2017 5:15 PM, Gene wrote:
the play button may be a control in a Flash player.  Try going to the page, then make sure you are at the top,  Type the letter o and see if you land on an embedded object.  Press enter and try tabbing and shift tabbing.  Do you see any buttons?  Also, if that doesn't work, start over.  Close and reopen the browser, go to the web page again, make sure you are at the top then type o to move to the embedded object.  Now route the mouse to the current location of the object navigator with the command numpad insert numpad slash, the same key as for left click. 
Now press numpad slash by itself to left click the embedded object.  Does the file start to play? 
 
Remember two things when following these instructions for working with the mouse.  First, before starting the second set of instructions, make sure you are in object review.  Issue the command numpad insert numpad 1.  If you hear somethin like no previous review, you will already be in object review.  If you hear something that isn't object review but some other review, continue to issue the command until you get to object review. 
 
Remember not to press enter on the embedded object. 
And one more thing:
When I said to start over and close the browser, then open it and go to the page again, I did so to avoid any possible problems.  I wanted you to start from the beginning so we both knew exactly what you were doing.  But when not learning from these instructions, you don't have to do that.  You can, as I recall, return to the page by using a book mark without closing the browser first.  That will save you time.  But if you can't get the file to play, you can try closing the browser first to see if that makes any difference.  you can't get the file to play, you can close the browser, as I said initially. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Dennis L
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2017 3:51 PM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA doesn't always see buttons on a web page

Hi, NVDA doesn’t see the play button on a webpage however Jaws sees it.  What is the reason for this?


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Gene
 

Numpad insert is the large almost square on the bottom row of the Numpad.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Dennis L
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2017 6:57 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA doesn't always see buttons on a web page

What is the numpad key?  I know where the insert key is but not the numpad key.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2017 5:16 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA doesn't always see buttons on a web page

 

the play button may be a control in a Flash player.  Try going to the page, then make sure you are at the top,  Type the letter o and see if you land on an embedded object.  Press enter and try tabbing and shift tabbing.  Do you see any buttons?  Also, if that doesn't work, start over.  Close and reopen the browser, go to the web page again, make sure you are at the top then type o to move to the embedded object.  Now route the mouse to the current location of the object navigator with the command numpad insert numpad slash, the same key as for left click. 

Now press numpad slash by itself to left click the embedded object.  Does the file start to play? 

 

Remember two things when following these instructions for working with the mouse.  First, before starting the second set of instructions, make sure you are in object review.  Issue the command numpad insert numpad 1.  If you hear somethin like no previous review, you will already be in object review.  If you hear something that isn't object review but some other review, continue to issue the command until you get to object review. 

 

Remember not to press enter on the embedded object. 

And one more thing:

When I said to start over and close the browser, then open it and go to the page again, I did so to avoid any possible problems.  I wanted you to start from the beginning so we both knew exactly what you were doing.  But when not learning from these instructions, you don't have to do that.  You can, as I recall, return to the page by using a book mark without closing the browser first.  That will save you time.  But if you can't get the file to play, you can try closing the browser first to see if that makes any difference.  you can't get the file to play, you can close the browser, as I said initially. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Dennis L

Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2017 3:51 PM

Subject: [nvda] NVDA doesn't always see buttons on a web page

 

Hi, NVDA doesn’t see the play button on a webpage however Jaws sees it.  What is the reason for this?


Dennis L <dennisl1982@...>
 

That worked pressing o then enter it said button is there a way to label the unlabeled button?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2017 5:16 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA doesn't always see buttons on a web page

 

the play button may be a control in a Flash player.  Try going to the page, then make sure you are at the top,  Type the letter o and see if you land on an embedded object.  Press enter and try tabbing and shift tabbing.  Do you see any buttons?  Also, if that doesn't work, start over.  Close and reopen the browser, go to the web page again, make sure you are at the top then type o to move to the embedded object.  Now route the mouse to the current location of the object navigator with the command numpad insert numpad slash, the same key as for left click. 

Now press numpad slash by itself to left click the embedded object.  Does the file start to play? 

 

Remember two things when following these instructions for working with the mouse.  First, before starting the second set of instructions, make sure you are in object review.  Issue the command numpad insert numpad 1.  If you hear somethin like no previous review, you will already be in object review.  If you hear something that isn't object review but some other review, continue to issue the command until you get to object review. 

 

Remember not to press enter on the embedded object. 

And one more thing:

When I said to start over and close the browser, then open it and go to the page again, I did so to avoid any possible problems.  I wanted you to start from the beginning so we both knew exactly what you were doing.  But when not learning from these instructions, you don't have to do that.  You can, as I recall, return to the page by using a book mark without closing the browser first.  That will save you time.  But if you can't get the file to play, you can try closing the browser first to see if that makes any difference.  you can't get the file to play, you can close the browser, as I said initially. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Dennis L

Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2017 3:51 PM

Subject: [nvda] NVDA doesn't always see buttons on a web page

 

Hi, NVDA doesn’t see the play button on a webpage however Jaws sees it.  What is the reason for this?


Gene
 

There is no way.  are you saying that JAWS announces the button as play and NVDA doesn't?  If so, I don't know why.  also, I may have forgotten to mention that after you press enter, the way, in NVDA to move from button to button is to tab and shift tab.  You may not have to and I often just try pressing enter whether I can move or not or whether I hear any button announced or not.  Sometimes, I try tabbing and pressing enter a number of times regardless of whether I hear any feedback or not.  But I often use the mouse technique I described first.  It often works and, in my experience, it works more often than the pressing enter method does. 
 
also, what we are discussing is an example of why demanding Windows users should have more than one screen-reader available.  At times, JAWS will allow a Flash button to be activated and NVDA won't.  At times, the reverse is true.  Often, both screen-readers can be used successfully. 
 

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Dennis L
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 12:06 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA doesn't always see buttons on a web page

That worked pressing o then enter it said button is there a way to label the unlabeled button?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2017 5:16 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA doesn't always see buttons on a web page

 

the play button may be a control in a Flash player.  Try going to the page, then make sure you are at the top,  Type the letter o and see if you land on an embedded object.  Press enter and try tabbing and shift tabbing.  Do you see any buttons?  Also, if that doesn't work, start over.  Close and reopen the browser, go to the web page again, make sure you are at the top then type o to move to the embedded object.  Now route the mouse to the current location of the object navigator with the command numpad insert numpad slash, the same key as for left click. 

Now press numpad slash by itself to left click the embedded object.  Does the file start to play? 

 

Remember two things when following these instructions for working with the mouse.  First, before starting the second set of instructions, make sure you are in object review.  Issue the command numpad insert numpad 1.  If you hear somethin like no previous review, you will already be in object review.  If you hear something that isn't object review but some other review, continue to issue the command until you get to object review. 

 

Remember not to press enter on the embedded object. 

And one more thing:

When I said to start over and close the browser, then open it and go to the page again, I did so to avoid any possible problems.  I wanted you to start from the beginning so we both knew exactly what you were doing.  But when not learning from these instructions, you don't have to do that.  You can, as I recall, return to the page by using a book mark without closing the browser first.  That will save you time.  But if you can't get the file to play, you can try closing the browser first to see if that makes any difference.  you can't get the file to play, you can close the browser, as I said initially. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Dennis L

Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2017 3:51 PM

Subject: [nvda] NVDA doesn't always see buttons on a web page

 

Hi, NVDA doesn’t see the play button on a webpage however Jaws sees it.  What is the reason for this?


 

hi.
you can for example edit everything you want then, use down arrow to
hear botton.
sometimes bottons have labels and sometimes not.
in my experience, immediately after compleating form filds and fil the
desired informations, i use down arrow or tab key and nvda announces
botton.
in google also, sometimes nvda search botton and sometimes only botton.
hope that helps.
God bless you.

On 1/25/17, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
There is no way. are you saying that JAWS announces the button as play and
NVDA doesn't? If so, I don't know why. also, I may have forgotten to
mention that after you press enter, the way, in NVDA to move from button to
button is to tab and shift tab. You may not have to and I often just try
pressing enter whether I can move or not or whether I hear any button
announced or not. Sometimes, I try tabbing and pressing enter a number of
times regardless of whether I hear any feedback or not. But I often use the
mouse technique I described first. It often works and, in my experience, it
works more often than the pressing enter method does.

also, what we are discussing is an example of why demanding Windows users
should have more than one screen-reader available. At times, JAWS will
allow a Flash button to be activated and NVDA won't. At times, the reverse
is true. Often, both screen-readers can be used successfully.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Dennis L
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 12:06 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA doesn't always see buttons on a web page


That worked pressing o then enter it said button is there a way to label the
unlabeled button?



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2017 5:16 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA doesn't always see buttons on a web page



the play button may be a control in a Flash player. Try going to the page,
then make sure you are at the top, Type the letter o and see if you land on
an embedded object. Press enter and try tabbing and shift tabbing. Do you
see any buttons? Also, if that doesn't work, start over. Close and reopen
the browser, go to the web page again, make sure you are at the top then
type o to move to the embedded object. Now route the mouse to the current
location of the object navigator with the command numpad insert numpad
slash, the same key as for left click.

Now press numpad slash by itself to left click the embedded object. Does
the file start to play?



Remember two things when following these instructions for working with the
mouse. First, before starting the second set of instructions, make sure you
are in object review. Issue the command numpad insert numpad 1. If you
hear somethin like no previous review, you will already be in object review.
If you hear something that isn't object review but some other review,
continue to issue the command until you get to object review.



Remember not to press enter on the embedded object.

And one more thing:

When I said to start over and close the browser, then open it and go to the
page again, I did so to avoid any possible problems. I wanted you to start
from the beginning so we both knew exactly what you were doing. But when
not learning from these instructions, you don't have to do that. You can,
as I recall, return to the page by using a book mark without closing the
browser first. That will save you time. But if you can't get the file to
play, you can try closing the browser first to see if that makes any
difference. you can't get the file to play, you can close the browser, as I
said initially.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Dennis L

Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2017 3:51 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] NVDA doesn't always see buttons on a web page



Hi, NVDA doesn't see the play button on a webpage however Jaws sees it.
What is the reason for this?


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Gene
 

This isn't about editing.  It is about activating a control in a flash player. 
 
and regarding 2working with a search field such as a Google search field, you don't have to move to the button.  typing your search string and then pressing enter will activate the search button without you moving to it.
 
gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 9:31 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA doesn't always see buttons on a web page

hi.
you can for example edit everything you want then, use down arrow to
hear botton.
sometimes bottons have labels and sometimes not.
in my experience, immediately after compleating form filds and fil the
desired informations, i use down arrow or tab key and nvda announces
botton.
in google also, sometimes nvda search botton and sometimes only botton.
hope that helps.
God bless you.

On 1/25/17, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
> There is no way.  are you saying that JAWS announces the button as play and
> NVDA doesn't?  If so, I don't know why.  also, I may have forgotten to
> mention that after you press enter, the way, in NVDA to move from button to
> button is to tab and shift tab.  You may not have to and I often just try
> pressing enter whether I can move or not or whether I hear any button
> announced or not.  Sometimes, I try tabbing and pressing enter a number of
> times regardless of whether I hear any feedback or not.  But I often use the
> mouse technique I described first.  It often works and, in my experience, it
> works more often than the pressing enter method does.
>
> also, what we are discussing is an example of why demanding Windows users
> should have more than one screen-reader available.  At times, JAWS will
> allow a Flash button to be activated and NVDA won't.  At times, the reverse
> is true.  Often, both screen-readers can be used successfully.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Dennis L
> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 12:06 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA doesn't always see buttons on a web page
>
>
> That worked pressing o then enter it said button is there a way to label the
> unlabeled button?
>
>
>
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2017 5:16 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA doesn't always see buttons on a web page
>
>
>
> the play button may be a control in a Flash player.  Try going to the page,
> then make sure you are at the top,  Type the letter o and see if you land on
> an embedded object.  Press enter and try tabbing and shift tabbing.  Do you
> see any buttons?  Also, if that doesn't work, start over.  Close and reopen
> the browser, go to the web page again, make sure you are at the top then
> type o to move to the embedded object.  Now route the mouse to the current
> location of the object navigator with the command numpad insert numpad
> slash, the same key as for left click.
>
> Now press numpad slash by itself to left click the embedded object.  Does
> the file start to play?
>
>
>
> Remember two things when following these instructions for working with the
> mouse.  First, before starting the second set of instructions, make sure you
> are in object review.  Issue the command numpad insert numpad 1.  If you
> hear somethin like no previous review, you will already be in object review.
>  If you hear something that isn't object review but some other review,
> continue to issue the command until you get to object review.
>
>
>
> Remember not to press enter on the embedded object.
>
> And one more thing:
>
> When I said to start over and close the browser, then open it and go to the
> page again, I did so to avoid any possible problems.  I wanted you to start
> from the beginning so we both knew exactly what you were doing.  But when
> not learning from these instructions, you don't have to do that.  You can,
> as I recall, return to the page by using a book mark without closing the
> browser first.  That will save you time.  But if you can't get the file to
> play, you can try closing the browser first to see if that makes any
> difference.  you can't get the file to play, you can close the browser, as I
> said initially.
>
>
>
> Gene
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Dennis L
>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2017 3:51 PM
>
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>
> Subject: [nvda] NVDA doesn't always see buttons on a web page
>
>
>
> Hi, NVDA doesn't see the play button on a webpage however Jaws sees it.
> What is the reason for this?
>
>
>


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gene,
i press edit, activate edit box and type anything that i wish to search.
then, close edit box and press tab or b botton to search it.

On 1/25/17, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
This isn't about editing. It is about activating a control in a flash
player.

and regarding 2working with a search field such as a Google search field,
you don't have to move to the button. typing your search string and then
pressing enter will activate the search button without you moving to it.

gene
----- Original Message -----

From: nasrin khaksar
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 9:31 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA doesn't always see buttons on a web page


hi.
you can for example edit everything you want then, use down arrow to
hear botton.
sometimes bottons have labels and sometimes not.
in my experience, immediately after compleating form filds and fil the
desired informations, i use down arrow or tab key and nvda announces
botton.
in google also, sometimes nvda search botton and sometimes only botton.
hope that helps.
God bless you.

On 1/25/17, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
There is no way. are you saying that JAWS announces the button as play
and
NVDA doesn't? If so, I don't know why. also, I may have forgotten to
mention that after you press enter, the way, in NVDA to move from button
to
button is to tab and shift tab. You may not have to and I often just try
pressing enter whether I can move or not or whether I hear any button
announced or not. Sometimes, I try tabbing and pressing enter a number
of
times regardless of whether I hear any feedback or not. But I often use
the
mouse technique I described first. It often works and, in my experience,
it
works more often than the pressing enter method does.

also, what we are discussing is an example of why demanding Windows users
should have more than one screen-reader available. At times, JAWS will
allow a Flash button to be activated and NVDA won't. At times, the
reverse
is true. Often, both screen-readers can be used successfully.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Dennis L
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 12:06 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA doesn't always see buttons on a web page


That worked pressing o then enter it said button is there a way to label
the
unlabeled button?



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2017 5:16 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA doesn't always see buttons on a web page



the play button may be a control in a Flash player. Try going to the
page,
then make sure you are at the top, Type the letter o and see if you land
on
an embedded object. Press enter and try tabbing and shift tabbing. Do
you
see any buttons? Also, if that doesn't work, start over. Close and
reopen
the browser, go to the web page again, make sure you are at the top then
type o to move to the embedded object. Now route the mouse to the
current
location of the object navigator with the command numpad insert numpad
slash, the same key as for left click.

Now press numpad slash by itself to left click the embedded object. Does
the file start to play?



Remember two things when following these instructions for working with
the
mouse. First, before starting the second set of instructions, make sure
you
are in object review. Issue the command numpad insert numpad 1. If you
hear somethin like no previous review, you will already be in object
review.
If you hear something that isn't object review but some other review,
continue to issue the command until you get to object review.



Remember not to press enter on the embedded object.

And one more thing:

When I said to start over and close the browser, then open it and go to
the
page again, I did so to avoid any possible problems. I wanted you to
start
from the beginning so we both knew exactly what you were doing. But when
not learning from these instructions, you don't have to do that. You
can,
as I recall, return to the page by using a book mark without closing the
browser first. That will save you time. But if you can't get the file
to
play, you can try closing the browser first to see if that makes any
difference. you can't get the file to play, you can close the browser, as
I
said initially.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Dennis L

Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2017 3:51 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] NVDA doesn't always see buttons on a web page



Hi, NVDA doesn't see the play button on a webpage however Jaws sees it.
What is the reason for this?



--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


Gene
 

you are using an inefficient procedure.  Just be in forms mode, type what you want to search for, then press enter.  When the results page loads, NVDA automatically goes back to browse mode.  You don't have to change it manually.  When you are in forms mode and in a google edit field and this is generally true on sites with search features, the sites are designed so that pressing enter while in the search field activates the search button.  You don't have to move to it. And when new pages load, using NVDA default settings, you are returned to browse mode automatically. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 10:14 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA doesn't always see buttons on a web page

gene,
i press edit, activate edit box and type anything that i wish to search.
then, close edit box and press tab or b botton to search it.

On 1/25/17, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
> This isn't about editing.  It is about activating a control in a flash
> player.
>
> and regarding 2working with a search field such as a Google search field,
> you don't have to move to the button.  typing your search string and then
> pressing enter will activate the search button without you moving to it.
>
> gene
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: nasrin khaksar
> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 9:31 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA doesn't always see buttons on a web page
>
>
> hi.
> you can for example edit everything you want then, use down arrow to
> hear botton.
> sometimes bottons have labels and sometimes not.
> in my experience, immediately after compleating form filds and fil the
> desired informations, i use down arrow or tab key and nvda announces
> botton.
> in google also, sometimes nvda search botton and sometimes only botton.
> hope that helps.
> God bless you.
>
> On 1/25/17, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
>> There is no way.  are you saying that JAWS announces the button as play
>> and
>> NVDA doesn't?  If so, I don't know why.  also, I may have forgotten to
>> mention that after you press enter, the way, in NVDA to move from button
>> to
>> button is to tab and shift tab.  You may not have to and I often just try
>> pressing enter whether I can move or not or whether I hear any button
>> announced or not.  Sometimes, I try tabbing and pressing enter a number
>> of
>> times regardless of whether I hear any feedback or not.  But I often use
>> the
>> mouse technique I described first.  It often works and, in my experience,
>> it
>> works more often than the pressing enter method does.
>>
>> also, what we are discussing is an example of why demanding Windows users
>> should have more than one screen-reader available.  At times, JAWS will
>> allow a Flash button to be activated and NVDA won't.  At times, the
>> reverse
>> is true.  Often, both screen-readers can be used successfully.
>>
>> Gene
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> From: Dennis L
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 12:06 AM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA doesn't always see buttons on a web page
>>
>>
>> That worked pressing o then enter it said button is there a way to label
>> the
>> unlabeled button?
>>
>>
>>
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2017 5:16 PM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA doesn't always see buttons on a web page
>>
>>
>>
>> the play button may be a control in a Flash player.  Try going to the
>> page,
>> then make sure you are at the top,  Type the letter o and see if you land
>> on
>> an embedded object.  Press enter and try tabbing and shift tabbing.  Do
>> you
>> see any buttons?  Also, if that doesn't work, start over.  Close and
>> reopen
>> the browser, go to the web page again, make sure you are at the top then
>> type o to move to the embedded object.  Now route the mouse to the
>> current
>> location of the object navigator with the command numpad insert numpad
>> slash, the same key as for left click.
>>
>> Now press numpad slash by itself to left click the embedded object.  Does
>> the file start to play?
>>
>>
>>
>> Remember two things when following these instructions for working with
>> the
>> mouse.  First, before starting the second set of instructions, make sure
>> you
>> are in object review.  Issue the command numpad insert numpad 1.  If you
>> hear somethin like no previous review, you will already be in object
>> review.
>>  If you hear something that isn't object review but some other review,
>> continue to issue the command until you get to object review.
>>
>>
>>
>> Remember not to press enter on the embedded object.
>>
>> And one more thing:
>>
>> When I said to start over and close the browser, then open it and go to
>> the
>> page again, I did so to avoid any possible problems.  I wanted you to
>> start
>> from the beginning so we both knew exactly what you were doing.  But when
>> not learning from these instructions, you don't have to do that.  You
>> can,
>> as I recall, return to the page by using a book mark without closing the
>> browser first.  That will save you time.  But if you can't get the file
>> to
>> play, you can try closing the browser first to see if that makes any
>> difference.  you can't get the file to play, you can close the browser, as
>> I
>> said initially.
>>
>>
>>
>> Gene
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> From: Dennis L
>>
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2017 3:51 PM
>>
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>
>> Subject: [nvda] NVDA doesn't always see buttons on a web page
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi, NVDA doesn't see the play button on a webpage however Jaws sees it.
>> What is the reason for this?
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
> holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
> in the very authentic narration is:
> imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
> best website for studying islamic book in different languages
> al-islam.org
>
>
>


--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org