filling PDF form using NVDA
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Yes as the viewers in many browsers aare ultra basic things in my experience.
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The sad thing is that here in 2018, we are still attempting to educate pdf writers to not simply use pictures of forms and to tag reading order changes in their text files. Why is this so difficult to get across to the general public? Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message -----
From: "Kristin K" <kristin.knudson@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2018 10:22 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] filling PDF form using NVDA This is probably old news by now, but I find that when I get forms on line they have to be saved from the website first then re-opened with Adobe (or what ever PDF viewer) before they can be filled in. |
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Kristin K <kristin.knudson@...>
This is probably old news by now, but I find that when I get forms on line they have to be saved from the website first then re-opened with Adobe (or what ever PDF viewer) before they can be filled in.
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You probably can't do this.
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If this is for an online form you could always ask them if you can do it via the web,. If not, you can probably try to convert it to html, weather you can then submit or fill it is unknown but once the pdf is converted to a web document its links and fields are preserved. You can save the file as text with adobe reader or balabolka however the easiest way is to probably do the following. 1. using codex from jscholes.net/projects/codex, you can make a compiled chm help file. Using sevenzip http://sf.net/projects/sevenzip/files then getting the latest version you should be able once its installed extract the chm file. There will be a folder with the files, a help workshop you can't use then the html file. Weather at that point it probably won't work well that may not work at all who knows. If this is for a company that needs a form printed getting it printed and getting a sightling to fill it out with you may be best. If you can contact the company ask to send the form in a readable form so you can fill it in. If they do want you to fill it in and it needs to be submitted at their faces, see if they will put it in google docs, I have filled forms on google docs and they work. I am not sure how to make ones but a lot of students and others that I do testing for as well as international companies do this so it is possible obviously the easily and speedily create such. Google docs can read pdfs so there is a chance it can convert forms to. You should if it works recieve a randomly generated google link in an email from whoever and can fill out the form. If you hit submit google will just send it to whoever made it but it would probably be another google address so who knows. On 6/02/2017 2:39 a.m., prem.translator@... wrote:
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On Sun, Feb 5, 2017 at 09:59 am, Gene wrote:
But in that case, shouldn't you hear edit as you move through the form? I would think so. The easiest way for me to confirm this is to take a look at the form itself and how it behaves when I try to navigate it. I am hoping that this is some sort of publicly accessible form that I can easily download to take a look, hence my request. I don't find an uninformed hatred a "principled position" that I need to respect in any way. ~ Ellen Evans, soc.motss, 11/6/2004 |
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Alexander Masic
A way to workaround this, is to opend the pdf file in word 2013 or above. and make it as an regular wordfile and fill in that way. I have done it plenty of time, and so far only one has complayn over this, but finaly even that person accepted it.
Den 2017-02-05 kl. 15:37, skrev erik
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Gene
But in that case, shouldn't you hear edit as you
move through the form?
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From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2017 10:02 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] filling PDF form using NVDA -- Brian I don't find an uninformed hatred a "principled position" that I need to respect in any way. ~ Ellen Evans, soc.motss, 11/6/2004 |
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If the form itself is not private can you share the link? I suspect that Gene's presumption will end up being correct. Either that, or this thing is designed as a form but the form designer did not bother to label the fields. I've had a number of PDF fillable forms from the United States Internal Revenue Service that, when I tried using them with a screen reader, did not have the labels attached to fields to make the form accessible.
-- Brian I don't find an uninformed hatred a "principled position" that I need to respect in any way. ~ Ellen Evans, soc.motss, 11/6/2004 |
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erik burggraaf <erik@...>
I've successfully used NVDA to fill out Canadian issue government paperwork. If there are form fields in the document, NVDA will recognise them as you read through or tab through the document. If the form fields are properly labeled, NVDA will read the title of each field as you tab to let you know what information is expected. If none of this is happening for you, and you are reading the document in the latest adobe reader, then the document is not a form, regardless of whether or not it is purposed as a form. In this case, as Gene suggested, it's intended to be printed and filled by hand which is not useful for you. This may be an unpopular opinion, but I believe it's time for organizations to abandon adobe. 15 years of inaccessibility, bolt on accessibility, complicated accessibility design guidelines and obscure information regarding the guidelines, and sheer unadulterated laziness on the part of adobe and the people who use it as a design platform are quite enough. If I were you I would take the document back to the person you got it from and tell them to either make it a form in fact as well as in name, or to port it to formstack or some other secure and accessible form service and to stop wasting time and money on adobe. As you can see, this topic really annoys me. The fact that we're still fighting adobe and designers for access to bdf is clear indication to me that it's time for the world to simply move on from this company and it's products. Best, Erik Sent with AquaMail for Android On February 5, 2017 9:09:23 AM prem.translator@... wrote:
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Gene
Are you sure you aren't supposed to print and fill
out the document on paper?
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From: prem.translator@...
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2017 7:39 AM
Subject: [nvda] filling PDF form using NVDA Dear All listers,
Is there any way to fill in a pdf application form using NVDA & adobe reader? there are no form field in the document. However, after reading it, I know that I must fill in some informationb. I tried using "fill & Sign" in adobe reader, but it's inaccessible. Please give me some suggestion, Thank you. |
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prem.translator@...
Dear All listers, Is there any way to fill in a pdf application form using NVDA & adobe reader? there are no form field in the document. However, after reading it, I know that I must fill in some informationb. I tried using "fill & Sign" in adobe reader, but it's inaccessible. Please give me some suggestion, Thank you. |
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