Slow MS Word Navigation; Odd Options behavior


Rob
 

Windows 7 x64 word 2016, NVDA 2016.4.
There was an extremely aggravating delay between arrow presses and speech while navigating in word. I rebooted the system, restarted word, turned off
"Provide Feedback with Annimations"
, and restarted NVDA. I loaded different documents of different sizes and then I started a blank document with only one line. Still with the slow response while navigating with arrows.
Finally I hit on the idea to turn off braille. Bingo--that was the answer. Navigation speeded up, but of course now I have no braille feedback.
I am using the Handy Tech driver. I have not tested with BRLTTY because I do not have it installed here.
Another odd behavior that happens is in the Word Options dialog. If you tab to an up down edit box and then tab or shift+tab out of it, there is this huge pause, and then the dialog reads from the top or close to it.
Try:
1. Open Word optons, alt+f t
2. Arrow Down to Advanced
3. Tab until you hear
"Show this number of recent Documents"
and then hit tab again. There will be a big delay and then NNVDA will start reading the dialog from the top of visible portion down. In my case, it started reading everything from the copy and paste grouping.


David Goldfield
 

I have also noticed odd behavior with NVDA and Word 2016. My issues are
similar to yours in some ways but different in others.

I am not a Braille display owner and so I'm only using speech.
Specifically, I'm using NVDA 2016.4 on a Windows 10 Pro machine. With
other editors, such as Jarte, the responsiveness with NVDA behaves as
expected, with no unusual pause when using arrow keys to move the caret
or cursor.

With Word 2016, there is a more noticeable delay from the time I press
an arrow key until the time I hear the character announced. It is not an
unreasonable delay but is just noticeable to be annoying. Turning off
Word's visual features, such as animation, did not help. Disabling
graphics acceleration, or words to that effect, made no difference.
Oddly, what seems to help is if I set the window to a restored state,
rather than a maximized state, and putting Word into draft mode. These
steps seem to help with performance.

When I am navigating the Word options dialog via pressing the tab key,
there are times when I notice a pause of around 2 seconds from the time
I press the tab key until the next option in the dialog is announced.

Finally, when I press ctrl-S to invoke the Save dialog, NVDA is silent,
even though the save dialog now has focus. If I do something to move
focus away from and then back to the dialog, NVDA reads the dialog. As
an example, if I press the alt key twice, NVDA then behaves normally.
This does not occur with other computers I have used and so it could be
some weirdness with my video card or graphics card but these are just
guesses. I am not writing to complain or to knock NVDA, as it is my
screen reader of choice, but just wanted to share my experiences and to
see if others who have experienced this might have found other workarounds.

David Goldfield,
Assistive Technology Specialist

Feel free to visit my Web site
WWW.DavidGoldfield.Info

On 2/10/2017 6:03 PM, Rob wrote:
Windows 7 x64 word 2016, NVDA 2016.4.
There was an extremely aggravating delay between arrow presses and speech while navigating in word. I rebooted the system, restarted word, turned off
"Provide Feedback with Annimations"
, and restarted NVDA. I loaded different documents of different sizes and then I started a blank document with only one line. Still with the slow response while navigating with arrows.
Finally I hit on the idea to turn off braille. Bingo--that was the answer. Navigation speeded up, but of course now I have no braille feedback.
I am using the Handy Tech driver. I have not tested with BRLTTY because I do not have it installed here.
Another odd behavior that happens is in the Word Options dialog. If you tab to an up down edit box and then tab or shift+tab out of it, there is this huge pause, and then the dialog reads from the top or close to it.
Try:
1. Open Word optons, alt+f t
2. Arrow Down to Advanced
3. Tab until you hear
"Show this number of recent Documents"
and then hit tab again. There will be a big delay and then NNVDA will start reading the dialog from the top of visible portion down. In my case, it started reading everything from the copy and paste grouping.



 

Hi David and others,
Can people affected by this bug write to me offlist, with a problematic Word document attached? I'd like to test the docs against latest development builds I have.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Goldfield
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2017 5:18 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Slow MS Word Navigation; Odd Options behavior

I have also noticed odd behavior with NVDA and Word 2016. My issues are similar to yours in some ways but different in others.

I am not a Braille display owner and so I'm only using speech.
Specifically, I'm using NVDA 2016.4 on a Windows 10 Pro machine. With other editors, such as Jarte, the responsiveness with NVDA behaves as expected, with no unusual pause when using arrow keys to move the caret or cursor.

With Word 2016, there is a more noticeable delay from the time I press an arrow key until the time I hear the character announced. It is not an unreasonable delay but is just noticeable to be annoying. Turning off Word's visual features, such as animation, did not help. Disabling graphics acceleration, or words to that effect, made no difference.
Oddly, what seems to help is if I set the window to a restored state, rather than a maximized state, and putting Word into draft mode. These steps seem to help with performance.

When I am navigating the Word options dialog via pressing the tab key, there are times when I notice a pause of around 2 seconds from the time I press the tab key until the next option in the dialog is announced.

Finally, when I press ctrl-S to invoke the Save dialog, NVDA is silent, even though the save dialog now has focus. If I do something to move focus away from and then back to the dialog, NVDA reads the dialog. As an example, if I press the alt key twice, NVDA then behaves normally.
This does not occur with other computers I have used and so it could be some weirdness with my video card or graphics card but these are just guesses. I am not writing to complain or to knock NVDA, as it is my screen reader of choice, but just wanted to share my experiences and to see if others who have experienced this might have found other workarounds.

David Goldfield,
Assistive Technology Specialist

Feel free to visit my Web site
WWW.DavidGoldfield.Info

On 2/10/2017 6:03 PM, Rob wrote:
Windows 7 x64 word 2016, NVDA 2016.4.
There was an extremely aggravating delay between arrow presses and
speech while navigating in word. I rebooted the system, restarted word, turned off "Provide Feedback with Annimations"
, and restarted NVDA. I loaded different documents of different sizes and then I started a blank document with only one line. Still with the slow response while navigating with arrows.
Finally I hit on the idea to turn off braille. Bingo--that was the answer. Navigation speeded up, but of course now I have no braille feedback.
I am using the Handy Tech driver. I have not tested with BRLTTY because I do not have it installed here.
Another odd behavior that happens is in the Word Options dialog. If you tab to an up down edit box and then tab or shift+tab out of it, there is this huge pause, and then the dialog reads from the top or close to it.
Try:
1. Open Word optons, alt+f t
2. Arrow Down to Advanced
3. Tab until you hear
"Show this number of recent Documents"
and then hit tab again. There will be a big delay and then NNVDA will start reading the dialog from the top of visible portion down. In my case, it started reading everything from the copy and paste grouping.



Rob
 

Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> wrote:
Can people affected by this bug write to me offlist, with a problematic Word document attached?
For me, it doesn't matter which document is used. And the weird behavior in the options dialog is not document specific. Just open a document--any document--with braille active and use carret navigation. Specifically, try left and right arrow, and control left and right arrow. There will be a noticeable pause. Turn off braille and the pause goes mostly away.


 

Hi,
Regarding braille, this is a known issue that NV Access and other folks are
researching. I'd like to see if this is resolved in latest development
builds (the code that's destined for 2017.1).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rob
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2017 5:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Slow MS Word Navigation; Odd Options behavior

Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> wrote:
Can people affected by this bug write to me offlist, with a problematic
Word document attached?

For me, it doesn't matter which document is used. And the weird behavior in
the options dialog is not document specific. Just open a document--any
document--with braille active and use carret navigation. Specifically, try
left and right arrow, and control left and right arrow. There will be a
noticeable pause. Turn off braille and the pause goes mostly away.


kelby carlson
 

I have also had this problem, but it only occurred in one specific
document (which I can't distribute for confidentiality reasons.)

On 2/10/17, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
Regarding braille, this is a known issue that NV Access and other folks are
researching. I'd like to see if this is resolved in latest development
builds (the code that's destined for 2017.1).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rob
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2017 5:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Slow MS Word Navigation; Odd Options behavior

Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> wrote:
Can people affected by this bug write to me offlist, with a problematic
Word document attached?

For me, it doesn't matter which document is used. And the weird behavior in
the options dialog is not document specific. Just open a document--any
document--with braille active and use carret navigation. Specifically, try
left and right arrow, and control left and right arrow. There will be a
noticeable pause. Turn off braille and the pause goes mostly away.







David Goldfield
 

Hi, Joseph.

In my case, this issue does not occur with specific documents. In fact,
it occurs when I'm writing in a blank document.

David Goldfield,
Assistive Technology Specialist

Feel free to visit my Web site
WWW.DavidGoldfield.Info

On 2/10/2017 8:24 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi David and others,
Can people affected by this bug write to me offlist, with a problematic Word document attached? I'd like to test the docs against latest development builds I have.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Goldfield
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2017 5:18 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Slow MS Word Navigation; Odd Options behavior

I have also noticed odd behavior with NVDA and Word 2016. My issues are similar to yours in some ways but different in others.

I am not a Braille display owner and so I'm only using speech.
Specifically, I'm using NVDA 2016.4 on a Windows 10 Pro machine. With other editors, such as Jarte, the responsiveness with NVDA behaves as expected, with no unusual pause when using arrow keys to move the caret or cursor.

With Word 2016, there is a more noticeable delay from the time I press an arrow key until the time I hear the character announced. It is not an unreasonable delay but is just noticeable to be annoying. Turning off Word's visual features, such as animation, did not help. Disabling graphics acceleration, or words to that effect, made no difference.
Oddly, what seems to help is if I set the window to a restored state, rather than a maximized state, and putting Word into draft mode. These steps seem to help with performance.

When I am navigating the Word options dialog via pressing the tab key, there are times when I notice a pause of around 2 seconds from the time I press the tab key until the next option in the dialog is announced.

Finally, when I press ctrl-S to invoke the Save dialog, NVDA is silent, even though the save dialog now has focus. If I do something to move focus away from and then back to the dialog, NVDA reads the dialog. As an example, if I press the alt key twice, NVDA then behaves normally.
This does not occur with other computers I have used and so it could be some weirdness with my video card or graphics card but these are just guesses. I am not writing to complain or to knock NVDA, as it is my screen reader of choice, but just wanted to share my experiences and to see if others who have experienced this might have found other workarounds.

David Goldfield,
Assistive Technology Specialist

Feel free to visit my Web site
WWW.DavidGoldfield.Info

On 2/10/2017 6:03 PM, Rob wrote:
Windows 7 x64 word 2016, NVDA 2016.4.
There was an extremely aggravating delay between arrow presses and
speech while navigating in word. I rebooted the system, restarted word, turned off "Provide Feedback with Annimations"
, and restarted NVDA. I loaded different documents of different sizes and then I started a blank document with only one line. Still with the slow response while navigating with arrows.
Finally I hit on the idea to turn off braille. Bingo--that was the answer. Navigation speeded up, but of course now I have no braille feedback.
I am using the Handy Tech driver. I have not tested with BRLTTY because I do not have it installed here.
Another odd behavior that happens is in the Word Options dialog. If you tab to an up down edit box and then tab or shift+tab out of it, there is this huge pause, and then the dialog reads from the top or close to it.
Try:
1. Open Word optons, alt+f t
2. Arrow Down to Advanced
3. Tab until you hear
"Show this number of recent Documents"
and then hit tab again. There will be a big delay and then NNVDA will start reading the dialog from the top of visible portion down. In my case, it started reading everything from the copy and paste grouping.








 

Hi,
I cannot reproduce this on my computer running latest next and 2016.4.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Goldfield
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2017 6:21 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Slow MS Word Navigation; Odd Options behavior

Hi, Joseph.

In my case, this issue does not occur with specific documents. In fact, it occurs when I'm writing in a blank document.

David Goldfield,
Assistive Technology Specialist

Feel free to visit my Web site
WWW.DavidGoldfield.Info

On 2/10/2017 8:24 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi David and others,
Can people affected by this bug write to me offlist, with a problematic Word document attached? I'd like to test the docs against latest development builds I have.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
David Goldfield
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2017 5:18 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Slow MS Word Navigation; Odd Options behavior

I have also noticed odd behavior with NVDA and Word 2016. My issues are similar to yours in some ways but different in others.

I am not a Braille display owner and so I'm only using speech.
Specifically, I'm using NVDA 2016.4 on a Windows 10 Pro machine. With other editors, such as Jarte, the responsiveness with NVDA behaves as expected, with no unusual pause when using arrow keys to move the caret or cursor.

With Word 2016, there is a more noticeable delay from the time I press an arrow key until the time I hear the character announced. It is not an unreasonable delay but is just noticeable to be annoying. Turning off Word's visual features, such as animation, did not help. Disabling graphics acceleration, or words to that effect, made no difference.
Oddly, what seems to help is if I set the window to a restored state, rather than a maximized state, and putting Word into draft mode. These steps seem to help with performance.

When I am navigating the Word options dialog via pressing the tab key, there are times when I notice a pause of around 2 seconds from the time I press the tab key until the next option in the dialog is announced.

Finally, when I press ctrl-S to invoke the Save dialog, NVDA is silent, even though the save dialog now has focus. If I do something to move focus away from and then back to the dialog, NVDA reads the dialog. As an example, if I press the alt key twice, NVDA then behaves normally.
This does not occur with other computers I have used and so it could be some weirdness with my video card or graphics card but these are just guesses. I am not writing to complain or to knock NVDA, as it is my screen reader of choice, but just wanted to share my experiences and to see if others who have experienced this might have found other workarounds.

David Goldfield,
Assistive Technology Specialist

Feel free to visit my Web site
WWW.DavidGoldfield.Info

On 2/10/2017 6:03 PM, Rob wrote:
Windows 7 x64 word 2016, NVDA 2016.4.
There was an extremely aggravating delay between arrow presses and
speech while navigating in word. I rebooted the system, restarted word, turned off "Provide Feedback with Annimations"
, and restarted NVDA. I loaded different documents of different sizes and then I started a blank document with only one line. Still with the slow response while navigating with arrows.
Finally I hit on the idea to turn off braille. Bingo--that was the answer. Navigation speeded up, but of course now I have no braille feedback.
I am using the Handy Tech driver. I have not tested with BRLTTY because I do not have it installed here.
Another odd behavior that happens is in the Word Options dialog. If you tab to an up down edit box and then tab or shift+tab out of it, there is this huge pause, and then the dialog reads from the top or close to it.
Try:
1. Open Word optons, alt+f t
2. Arrow Down to Advanced
3. Tab until you hear
"Show this number of recent Documents"
and then hit tab again. There will be a big delay and then NNVDA will start reading the dialog from the top of visible portion down. In my case, it started reading everything from the copy and paste grouping.








Dan Thompson
 

I also have that issue of slow speech and even sometimes studdering.
Are there some solutions?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Goldfield
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2017 8:21 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Slow MS Word Navigation; Odd Options behavior

Hi, Joseph.

In my case, this issue does not occur with specific documents. In fact, it occurs when I'm writing in a blank document.

David Goldfield,
Assistive Technology Specialist

Feel free to visit my Web site
WWW.DavidGoldfield.Info

On 2/10/2017 8:24 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi David and others,
Can people affected by this bug write to me offlist, with a problematic Word document attached? I'd like to test the docs against latest development builds I have.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
David Goldfield
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2017 5:18 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Slow MS Word Navigation; Odd Options behavior

I have also noticed odd behavior with NVDA and Word 2016. My issues are similar to yours in some ways but different in others.

I am not a Braille display owner and so I'm only using speech.
Specifically, I'm using NVDA 2016.4 on a Windows 10 Pro machine. With other editors, such as Jarte, the responsiveness with NVDA behaves as expected, with no unusual pause when using arrow keys to move the caret or cursor.

With Word 2016, there is a more noticeable delay from the time I press an arrow key until the time I hear the character announced. It is not an unreasonable delay but is just noticeable to be annoying. Turning off Word's visual features, such as animation, did not help. Disabling graphics acceleration, or words to that effect, made no difference.
Oddly, what seems to help is if I set the window to a restored state, rather than a maximized state, and putting Word into draft mode. These steps seem to help with performance.

When I am navigating the Word options dialog via pressing the tab key, there are times when I notice a pause of around 2 seconds from the time I press the tab key until the next option in the dialog is announced.

Finally, when I press ctrl-S to invoke the Save dialog, NVDA is silent, even though the save dialog now has focus. If I do something to move focus away from and then back to the dialog, NVDA reads the dialog. As an example, if I press the alt key twice, NVDA then behaves normally.
This does not occur with other computers I have used and so it could be some weirdness with my video card or graphics card but these are just guesses. I am not writing to complain or to knock NVDA, as it is my screen reader of choice, but just wanted to share my experiences and to see if others who have experienced this might have found other workarounds.

David Goldfield,
Assistive Technology Specialist

Feel free to visit my Web site
WWW.DavidGoldfield.Info

On 2/10/2017 6:03 PM, Rob wrote:
Windows 7 x64 word 2016, NVDA 2016.4.
There was an extremely aggravating delay between arrow presses and
speech while navigating in word. I rebooted the system, restarted word, turned off "Provide Feedback with Annimations"
, and restarted NVDA. I loaded different documents of different sizes and then I started a blank document with only one line. Still with the slow response while navigating with arrows.
Finally I hit on the idea to turn off braille. Bingo--that was the answer. Navigation speeded up, but of course now I have no braille feedback.
I am using the Handy Tech driver. I have not tested with BRLTTY because I do not have it installed here.
Another odd behavior that happens is in the Word Options dialog. If you tab to an up down edit box and then tab or shift+tab out of it, there is this huge pause, and then the dialog reads from the top or close to it.
Try:
1. Open Word optons, alt+f t
2. Arrow Down to Advanced
3. Tab until you hear
"Show this number of recent Documents"
and then hit tab again. There will be a big delay and then NNVDA will start reading the dialog from the top of visible portion down. In my case, it started reading everything from the copy and paste grouping.








enes sarıbaş
 

hi david,

Glad to see someone else is experiencing this! I am also experiencing exactly what you describe. However this occurs with documents with tables especially. And it gradually gets worse and worse as I read or arrow through the document. It gets to a point where I notice a 10-20 second delay between key presses. And it still continues to get worse.

On 2/11/2017 4:18 AM, David Goldfield wrote:
I have also noticed odd behavior with NVDA and Word 2016. My issues are
similar to yours in some ways but different in others.

I am not a Braille display owner and so I'm only using speech.
Specifically, I'm using NVDA 2016.4 on a Windows 10 Pro machine. With
other editors, such as Jarte, the responsiveness with NVDA behaves as
expected, with no unusual pause when using arrow keys to move the caret
or cursor.

With Word 2016, there is a more noticeable delay from the time I press
an arrow key until the time I hear the character announced. It is not an
unreasonable delay but is just noticeable to be annoying. Turning off
Word's visual features, such as animation, did not help. Disabling
graphics acceleration, or words to that effect, made no difference.
Oddly, what seems to help is if I set the window to a restored state,
rather than a maximized state, and putting Word into draft mode. These
steps seem to help with performance.

When I am navigating the Word options dialog via pressing the tab key,
there are times when I notice a pause of around 2 seconds from the time
I press the tab key until the next option in the dialog is announced.

Finally, when I press ctrl-S to invoke the Save dialog, NVDA is silent,
even though the save dialog now has focus. If I do something to move
focus away from and then back to the dialog, NVDA reads the dialog. As
an example, if I press the alt key twice, NVDA then behaves normally.
This does not occur with other computers I have used and so it could be
some weirdness with my video card or graphics card but these are just
guesses. I am not writing to complain or to knock NVDA, as it is my
screen reader of choice, but just wanted to share my experiences and to
see if others who have experienced this might have found other workarounds.

David Goldfield,
Assistive Technology Specialist

Feel free to visit my Web site
WWW.DavidGoldfield.Info

On 2/10/2017 6:03 PM, Rob wrote:
Windows 7 x64 word 2016, NVDA 2016.4.
There was an extremely aggravating delay between arrow presses and speech while navigating in word. I rebooted the system, restarted word, turned off
"Provide Feedback with Annimations"
, and restarted NVDA. I loaded different documents of different sizes and then I started a blank document with only one line. Still with the slow response while navigating with arrows.
Finally I hit on the idea to turn off braille. Bingo--that was the answer. Navigation speeded up, but of course now I have no braille feedback.
I am using the Handy Tech driver. I have not tested with BRLTTY because I do not have it installed here.
Another odd behavior that happens is in the Word Options dialog. If you tab to an up down edit box and then tab or shift+tab out of it, there is this huge pause, and then the dialog reads from the top or close to it.
Try:
1. Open Word optons, alt+f t
2. Arrow Down to Advanced
3. Tab until you hear
"Show this number of recent Documents"
and then hit tab again. There will be a big delay and then NNVDA will start reading the dialog from the top of visible portion down. In my case, it started reading everything from the copy and paste grouping.



enes sarıbaş
 

hi,

Forgot to mention that as well. There is a delay in typing sometimes.

On 2/11/2017 5:20 AM, David Goldfield wrote:
Hi, Joseph.

In my case, this issue does not occur with specific documents. In fact,
it occurs when I'm writing in a blank document.

David Goldfield,
Assistive Technology Specialist

Feel free to visit my Web site
WWW.DavidGoldfield.Info

On 2/10/2017 8:24 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi David and others,
Can people affected by this bug write to me offlist, with a problematic Word document attached? I'd like to test the docs against latest development builds I have.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Goldfield
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2017 5:18 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Slow MS Word Navigation; Odd Options behavior

I have also noticed odd behavior with NVDA and Word 2016. My issues are similar to yours in some ways but different in others.

I am not a Braille display owner and so I'm only using speech.
Specifically, I'm using NVDA 2016.4 on a Windows 10 Pro machine. With other editors, such as Jarte, the responsiveness with NVDA behaves as expected, with no unusual pause when using arrow keys to move the caret or cursor.

With Word 2016, there is a more noticeable delay from the time I press an arrow key until the time I hear the character announced. It is not an unreasonable delay but is just noticeable to be annoying. Turning off Word's visual features, such as animation, did not help. Disabling graphics acceleration, or words to that effect, made no difference.
Oddly, what seems to help is if I set the window to a restored state, rather than a maximized state, and putting Word into draft mode. These steps seem to help with performance.

When I am navigating the Word options dialog via pressing the tab key, there are times when I notice a pause of around 2 seconds from the time I press the tab key until the next option in the dialog is announced.

Finally, when I press ctrl-S to invoke the Save dialog, NVDA is silent, even though the save dialog now has focus. If I do something to move focus away from and then back to the dialog, NVDA reads the dialog. As an example, if I press the alt key twice, NVDA then behaves normally.
This does not occur with other computers I have used and so it could be some weirdness with my video card or graphics card but these are just guesses. I am not writing to complain or to knock NVDA, as it is my screen reader of choice, but just wanted to share my experiences and to see if others who have experienced this might have found other workarounds.

David Goldfield,
Assistive Technology Specialist

Feel free to visit my Web site
WWW.DavidGoldfield.Info

On 2/10/2017 6:03 PM, Rob wrote:
Windows 7 x64 word 2016, NVDA 2016.4.
There was an extremely aggravating delay between arrow presses and
speech while navigating in word. I rebooted the system, restarted word, turned off "Provide Feedback with Annimations"
, and restarted NVDA. I loaded different documents of different sizes and then I started a blank document with only one line. Still with the slow response while navigating with arrows.
Finally I hit on the idea to turn off braille. Bingo--that was the answer. Navigation speeded up, but of course now I have no braille feedback.
I am using the Handy Tech driver. I have not tested with BRLTTY because I do not have it installed here.
Another odd behavior that happens is in the Word Options dialog. If you tab to an up down edit box and then tab or shift+tab out of it, there is this huge pause, and then the dialog reads from the top or close to it.
Try:
1. Open Word optons, alt+f t
2. Arrow Down to Advanced
3. Tab until you hear
"Show this number of recent Documents"
and then hit tab again. There will be a big delay and then NNVDA will start reading the dialog from the top of visible portion down. In my case, it started reading everything from the copy and paste grouping.







Christo de Klerk
 

I can confirm that I also experience this sluggishness in Word, but it isn't confined to Word 2016; I am experiencing it in Word 2013. I am using the latest NVDA snapshot. At times it is so sluggish, I can almost imagine that I am using Window-Eyes.

Kind regards

Christo

On 2017/02/11 7:44 AM, enes sarıbaş wrote:
hi david,

Glad to see someone else is experiencing this! I am also experiencing exactly what you describe. However this occurs with documents with tables especially. And it gradually gets worse and worse as I read or arrow through the document. It gets to a point where I notice a 10-20 second delay between key presses. And it still continues to get worse.


On 2/11/2017 4:18 AM, David Goldfield wrote:
I have also noticed odd behavior with NVDA and Word 2016. My issues are
similar to yours in some ways but different in others.

I am not a Braille display owner and so I'm only using speech.
Specifically, I'm using NVDA 2016.4 on a Windows 10 Pro machine. With
other editors, such as Jarte, the responsiveness with NVDA behaves as
expected, with no unusual pause when using arrow keys to move the caret
or cursor.

With Word 2016, there is a more noticeable delay from the time I press
an arrow key until the time I hear the character announced. It is not an
unreasonable delay but is just noticeable to be annoying. Turning off
Word's visual features, such as animation, did not help. Disabling
graphics acceleration, or words to that effect, made no difference.
Oddly, what seems to help is if I set the window to a restored state,
rather than a maximized state, and putting Word into draft mode. These
steps seem to help with performance.

When I am navigating the Word options dialog via pressing the tab key,
there are times when I notice a pause of around 2 seconds from the time
I press the tab key until the next option in the dialog is announced.

Finally, when I press ctrl-S to invoke the Save dialog, NVDA is silent,
even though the save dialog now has focus. If I do something to move
focus away from and then back to the dialog, NVDA reads the dialog. As
an example, if I press the alt key twice, NVDA then behaves normally.
This does not occur with other computers I have used and so it could be
some weirdness with my video card or graphics card but these are just
guesses. I am not writing to complain or to knock NVDA, as it is my
screen reader of choice, but just wanted to share my experiences and to
see if others who have experienced this might have found other workarounds.

David Goldfield,
Assistive Technology Specialist

Feel free to visit my Web site
WWW.DavidGoldfield.Info

On 2/10/2017 6:03 PM, Rob wrote:
Windows 7 x64 word 2016, NVDA 2016.4.
There was an extremely aggravating delay between arrow presses and speech while navigating in word. I rebooted the system, restarted word, turned off
"Provide Feedback with Annimations"
, and restarted NVDA. I loaded different documents of different sizes and then I started a blank document with only one line. Still with the slow response while navigating with arrows.
Finally I hit on the idea to turn off braille. Bingo--that was the answer. Navigation speeded up, but of course now I have no braille feedback.
I am using the Handy Tech driver. I have not tested with BRLTTY because I do not have it installed here.
Another odd behavior that happens is in the Word Options dialog. If you tab to an up down edit box and then tab or shift+tab out of it, there is this huge pause, and then the dialog reads from the top or close to it.
Try:
1. Open Word optons, alt+f t
2. Arrow Down to Advanced
3. Tab until you hear
"Show this number of recent Documents"
and then hit tab again. There will be a big delay and then NNVDA will start reading the dialog from the top of visible portion down. In my case, it started reading everything from the copy and paste grouping.





Andre Fisher
 

A quick question, do any of you guys have add-ons installed?

On 2/11/17, Christo de Klerk <christodeklerk@gmail.com> wrote:
I can confirm that I also experience this sluggishness in Word, but it
isn't confined to Word 2016; I am experiencing it in Word 2013. I am
using the latest NVDA snapshot. At times it is so sluggish, I can almost
imagine that I am using Window-Eyes.

Kind regards

Christo


On 2017/02/11 7:44 AM, enes sarıbaş wrote:
hi david,

Glad to see someone else is experiencing this! I am also experiencing
exactly what you describe. However this occurs with documents with
tables especially. And it gradually gets worse and worse as I read or
arrow through the document. It gets to a point where I notice a 10-20
second delay between key presses. And it still continues to get worse.


On 2/11/2017 4:18 AM, David Goldfield wrote:
I have also noticed odd behavior with NVDA and Word 2016. My issues are
similar to yours in some ways but different in others.

I am not a Braille display owner and so I'm only using speech.
Specifically, I'm using NVDA 2016.4 on a Windows 10 Pro machine. With
other editors, such as Jarte, the responsiveness with NVDA behaves as
expected, with no unusual pause when using arrow keys to move the caret
or cursor.

With Word 2016, there is a more noticeable delay from the time I press
an arrow key until the time I hear the character announced. It is not an
unreasonable delay but is just noticeable to be annoying. Turning off
Word's visual features, such as animation, did not help. Disabling
graphics acceleration, or words to that effect, made no difference.
Oddly, what seems to help is if I set the window to a restored state,
rather than a maximized state, and putting Word into draft mode. These
steps seem to help with performance.

When I am navigating the Word options dialog via pressing the tab key,
there are times when I notice a pause of around 2 seconds from the time
I press the tab key until the next option in the dialog is announced.

Finally, when I press ctrl-S to invoke the Save dialog, NVDA is silent,
even though the save dialog now has focus. If I do something to move
focus away from and then back to the dialog, NVDA reads the dialog. As
an example, if I press the alt key twice, NVDA then behaves normally.
This does not occur with other computers I have used and so it could be
some weirdness with my video card or graphics card but these are just
guesses. I am not writing to complain or to knock NVDA, as it is my
screen reader of choice, but just wanted to share my experiences and to
see if others who have experienced this might have found other
workarounds.

David Goldfield,
Assistive Technology Specialist

Feel free to visit my Web site
WWW.DavidGoldfield.Info

On 2/10/2017 6:03 PM, Rob wrote:
Windows 7 x64 word 2016, NVDA 2016.4.
There was an extremely aggravating delay between arrow presses and
speech while navigating in word. I rebooted the system, restarted
word, turned off
"Provide Feedback with Annimations"
, and restarted NVDA. I loaded different documents of different
sizes and then I started a blank document with only one line. Still
with the slow response while navigating with arrows.
Finally I hit on the idea to turn off braille. Bingo--that was the
answer. Navigation speeded up, but of course now I have no braille
feedback.
I am using the Handy Tech driver. I have not tested with BRLTTY
because I do not have it installed here.
Another odd behavior that happens is in the Word Options dialog. If
you tab to an up down edit box and then tab or shift+tab out of it,
there is this huge pause, and then the dialog reads from the top or
close to it.
Try:
1. Open Word optons, alt+f t
2. Arrow Down to Advanced
3. Tab until you hear
"Show this number of recent Documents"
and then hit tab again. There will be a big delay and then NNVDA
will start reading the dialog from the top of visible portion down.
In my case, it started reading everything from the copy and paste
grouping.









Jacques <lists4js@...>
 

Hi Christo and others

I do not often work in MS Word, but frequently use Excel. I'm using Office 365, so effectively 2016 at this point. Navigating between cells became so slow that it was painful. Since I have a fast processor and enough RAM, I took the plunge to remove NVDA altogether while using Narrator. I also removed the settings from the appdata folder and made sure that all program files were deleted from program files (x86).

I re-installed the latest snapshot of NVDA and gradually installed all the add-ons I had before. Lo and behold, the sluggishness is gone, hopefully for good.

Since nothing else on my system has changed, I believe a clean install of NVDA brought about an improvement.

I'm not recommending that everyone jumps in and do the same, I'm merely saying this worked for me.

Jacques

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-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Christo de Klerk
Sent: Saturday, 11 February 2017 08:51
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Slow MS Word Navigation; Odd Options behavior

I can confirm that I also experience this sluggishness in Word, but it isn't confined to Word 2016; I am experiencing it in Word 2013. I am using the latest NVDA snapshot. At times it is so sluggish, I can almost imagine that I am using Window-Eyes.

Kind regards

Christo


On 2017/02/11 7:44 AM, enes sarıbaş wrote:
hi david,

Glad to see someone else is experiencing this! I am also experiencing
exactly what you describe. However this occurs with documents with
tables especially. And it gradually gets worse and worse as I read or
arrow through the document. It gets to a point where I notice a 10-20
second delay between key presses. And it still continues to get worse.


On 2/11/2017 4:18 AM, David Goldfield wrote:
I have also noticed odd behavior with NVDA and Word 2016. My issues
are similar to yours in some ways but different in others.

I am not a Braille display owner and so I'm only using speech.
Specifically, I'm using NVDA 2016.4 on a Windows 10 Pro machine. With
other editors, such as Jarte, the responsiveness with NVDA behaves as
expected, with no unusual pause when using arrow keys to move the
caret or cursor.

With Word 2016, there is a more noticeable delay from the time I
press an arrow key until the time I hear the character announced. It
is not an unreasonable delay but is just noticeable to be annoying.
Turning off Word's visual features, such as animation, did not help.
Disabling graphics acceleration, or words to that effect, made no difference.
Oddly, what seems to help is if I set the window to a restored state,
rather than a maximized state, and putting Word into draft mode.
These steps seem to help with performance.

When I am navigating the Word options dialog via pressing the tab
key, there are times when I notice a pause of around 2 seconds from
the time I press the tab key until the next option in the dialog is announced.

Finally, when I press ctrl-S to invoke the Save dialog, NVDA is
silent, even though the save dialog now has focus. If I do something
to move focus away from and then back to the dialog, NVDA reads the
dialog. As an example, if I press the alt key twice, NVDA then behaves normally.
This does not occur with other computers I have used and so it could
be some weirdness with my video card or graphics card but these are
just guesses. I am not writing to complain or to knock NVDA, as it is
my screen reader of choice, but just wanted to share my experiences
and to see if others who have experienced this might have found other
workarounds.

David Goldfield,
Assistive Technology Specialist

Feel free to visit my Web site
WWW.DavidGoldfield.Info

On 2/10/2017 6:03 PM, Rob wrote:
Windows 7 x64 word 2016, NVDA 2016.4.
There was an extremely aggravating delay between arrow presses and
speech while navigating in word. I rebooted the system, restarted
word, turned off "Provide Feedback with Annimations"
, and restarted NVDA. I loaded different documents of different
sizes and then I started a blank document with only one line. Still
with the slow response while navigating with arrows.
Finally I hit on the idea to turn off braille. Bingo--that was the
answer. Navigation speeded up, but of course now I have no braille
feedback.
I am using the Handy Tech driver. I have not tested with BRLTTY
because I do not have it installed here.
Another odd behavior that happens is in the Word Options dialog. If
you tab to an up down edit box and then tab or shift+tab out of it,
there is this huge pause, and then the dialog reads from the top or
close to it.
Try:
1. Open Word optons, alt+f t
2. Arrow Down to Advanced
3. Tab until you hear
"Show this number of recent Documents"
and then hit tab again. There will be a big delay and then NNVDA
will start reading the dialog from the top of visible portion down.
In my case, it started reading everything from the copy and paste
grouping.






Christo de Klerk
 

Yes, I have a number of add-ons installed, but several are application specific, such as Winamp, Goldwave and other Vocalizer languages.

Regards

Christo

On 2017/02/11 9:10 AM, Andre Fisher wrote:
A quick question, do any of you guys have add-ons installed?

On 2/11/17, Christo de Klerk <christodeklerk@gmail.com> wrote:
I can confirm that I also experience this sluggishness in Word, but it
isn't confined to Word 2016; I am experiencing it in Word 2013. I am
using the latest NVDA snapshot. At times it is so sluggish, I can almost
imagine that I am using Window-Eyes.

Kind regards

Christo


On 2017/02/11 7:44 AM, enes sarıbaş wrote:
hi david,

Glad to see someone else is experiencing this! I am also experiencing
exactly what you describe. However this occurs with documents with
tables especially. And it gradually gets worse and worse as I read or
arrow through the document. It gets to a point where I notice a 10-20
second delay between key presses. And it still continues to get worse.


On 2/11/2017 4:18 AM, David Goldfield wrote:
I have also noticed odd behavior with NVDA and Word 2016. My issues are
similar to yours in some ways but different in others.

I am not a Braille display owner and so I'm only using speech.
Specifically, I'm using NVDA 2016.4 on a Windows 10 Pro machine. With
other editors, such as Jarte, the responsiveness with NVDA behaves as
expected, with no unusual pause when using arrow keys to move the caret
or cursor.

With Word 2016, there is a more noticeable delay from the time I press
an arrow key until the time I hear the character announced. It is not an
unreasonable delay but is just noticeable to be annoying. Turning off
Word's visual features, such as animation, did not help. Disabling
graphics acceleration, or words to that effect, made no difference.
Oddly, what seems to help is if I set the window to a restored state,
rather than a maximized state, and putting Word into draft mode. These
steps seem to help with performance.

When I am navigating the Word options dialog via pressing the tab key,
there are times when I notice a pause of around 2 seconds from the time
I press the tab key until the next option in the dialog is announced.

Finally, when I press ctrl-S to invoke the Save dialog, NVDA is silent,
even though the save dialog now has focus. If I do something to move
focus away from and then back to the dialog, NVDA reads the dialog. As
an example, if I press the alt key twice, NVDA then behaves normally.
This does not occur with other computers I have used and so it could be
some weirdness with my video card or graphics card but these are just
guesses. I am not writing to complain or to knock NVDA, as it is my
screen reader of choice, but just wanted to share my experiences and to
see if others who have experienced this might have found other
workarounds.

David Goldfield,
Assistive Technology Specialist

Feel free to visit my Web site
WWW.DavidGoldfield.Info

On 2/10/2017 6:03 PM, Rob wrote:
Windows 7 x64 word 2016, NVDA 2016.4.
There was an extremely aggravating delay between arrow presses and
speech while navigating in word. I rebooted the system, restarted
word, turned off
"Provide Feedback with Annimations"
, and restarted NVDA. I loaded different documents of different
sizes and then I started a blank document with only one line. Still
with the slow response while navigating with arrows.
Finally I hit on the idea to turn off braille. Bingo--that was the
answer. Navigation speeded up, but of course now I have no braille
feedback.
I am using the Handy Tech driver. I have not tested with BRLTTY
because I do not have it installed here.
Another odd behavior that happens is in the Word Options dialog. If
you tab to an up down edit box and then tab or shift+tab out of it,
there is this huge pause, and then the dialog reads from the top or
close to it.
Try:
1. Open Word optons, alt+f t
2. Arrow Down to Advanced
3. Tab until you hear
"Show this number of recent Documents"
and then hit tab again. There will be a big delay and then NNVDA
will start reading the dialog from the top of visible portion down.
In my case, it started reading everything from the copy and paste
grouping.






enes sarıbaş
 

hi,

I have systray list.

On 2/11/2017 11:56 AM, Christo de Klerk wrote:
Yes, I have a number of add-ons installed, but several are application specific, such as Winamp, Goldwave and other Vocalizer languages.

Regards

Christo


On 2017/02/11 9:10 AM, Andre Fisher wrote:
A quick question, do any of you guys have add-ons installed?

On 2/11/17, Christo de Klerk <christodeklerk@gmail.com> wrote:
I can confirm that I also experience this sluggishness in Word, but it
isn't confined to Word 2016; I am experiencing it in Word 2013. I am
using the latest NVDA snapshot. At times it is so sluggish, I can almost
imagine that I am using Window-Eyes.

Kind regards

Christo


On 2017/02/11 7:44 AM, enes sarıbaş wrote:
hi david,

Glad to see someone else is experiencing this! I am also experiencing
exactly what you describe. However this occurs with documents with
tables especially. And it gradually gets worse and worse as I read or
arrow through the document. It gets to a point where I notice a 10-20
second delay between key presses. And it still continues to get worse.


On 2/11/2017 4:18 AM, David Goldfield wrote:
I have also noticed odd behavior with NVDA and Word 2016. My issues are
similar to yours in some ways but different in others.

I am not a Braille display owner and so I'm only using speech.
Specifically, I'm using NVDA 2016.4 on a Windows 10 Pro machine. With
other editors, such as Jarte, the responsiveness with NVDA behaves as
expected, with no unusual pause when using arrow keys to move the caret
or cursor.

With Word 2016, there is a more noticeable delay from the time I press
an arrow key until the time I hear the character announced. It is not an
unreasonable delay but is just noticeable to be annoying. Turning off
Word's visual features, such as animation, did not help. Disabling
graphics acceleration, or words to that effect, made no difference.
Oddly, what seems to help is if I set the window to a restored state,
rather than a maximized state, and putting Word into draft mode. These
steps seem to help with performance.

When I am navigating the Word options dialog via pressing the tab key,
there are times when I notice a pause of around 2 seconds from the time
I press the tab key until the next option in the dialog is announced.

Finally, when I press ctrl-S to invoke the Save dialog, NVDA is silent,
even though the save dialog now has focus. If I do something to move
focus away from and then back to the dialog, NVDA reads the dialog. As
an example, if I press the alt key twice, NVDA then behaves normally.
This does not occur with other computers I have used and so it could be
some weirdness with my video card or graphics card but these are just
guesses. I am not writing to complain or to knock NVDA, as it is my
screen reader of choice, but just wanted to share my experiences and to
see if others who have experienced this might have found other
workarounds.

David Goldfield,
Assistive Technology Specialist

Feel free to visit my Web site
WWW.DavidGoldfield.Info

On 2/10/2017 6:03 PM, Rob wrote:
Windows 7 x64 word 2016, NVDA 2016.4.
There was an extremely aggravating delay between arrow presses and
speech while navigating in word. I rebooted the system, restarted
word, turned off
"Provide Feedback with Annimations"
, and restarted NVDA. I loaded different documents of different
sizes and then I started a blank document with only one line. Still
with the slow response while navigating with arrows.
Finally I hit on the idea to turn off braille. Bingo--that was the
answer. Navigation speeded up, but of course now I have no braille
feedback.
I am using the Handy Tech driver. I have not tested with BRLTTY
because I do not have it installed here.
Another odd behavior that happens is in the Word Options dialog. If
you tab to an up down edit box and then tab or shift+tab out of it,
there is this huge pause, and then the dialog reads from the top or
close to it.
Try:
1. Open Word optons, alt+f t
2. Arrow Down to Advanced
3. Tab until you hear
"Show this number of recent Documents"
and then hit tab again. There will be a big delay and then NNVDA
will start reading the dialog from the top of visible portion down.
In my case, it started reading everything from the copy and paste
grouping.