windows tablets was Re: new to windows, need help on software selections


coffeekingms@hotmail.com
 

hi

For some reason, restarting nvda allowed the mouse pointer to be routed to the uninstall control, which didn't have a role nvda recognized. Man avast is whiny when you go to remove it. Please please please please please don't uninstall me. What's interesting is the CDEX is gplv3 open source software, but either the installer isn't or it is and the CDEX people haven't tried modifying it. If it bundles stuff, it probably isn't because they wouldn't want to open that. I've never heard of this golden cursor, but I think it's an NVDA addon you can install. I'll try nvda+kp enter, I wonder what that does. I use the desktop keyboard layout, so that might be the laptop equivalent. While I'm on the subject, if I were to buy a windows tablet would NVDA switch seemlessly between keyboard and touch input modes? It's one thing I've been wanting  for a while, since I don't really seem to like android. Nothing against android whatsoever, but I just can't seem to get the hang of it. Plus, if I had a windows tablet I could mud from my swing out in the yard, and watch my video game walkthroughs from anywhere. My laptop currently has no battery in it so it might as well be a desktop. The problem is, windows tablets are not cheap, but an 80 dollar windows tablet and a cheap bluetooth keyboard would be fantastic. I'm going to assume that windows tablets are x64 and not ARM? In plain english, they have the same or similar hardware parts as a normal desktop or laptop computer would have plus a touch screen, instead of parts a smartphone would have in them, because windows as far as I know does not yet support that type of machine, at least it didn't last I looked. Better stop there, I'll change the subject so people don't get confused.

Thanks

Kendell Clark



On 2/15/2017 3:24 AM, Simon Jaeger wrote:

Glad to hear CDex is still being updated, but I definitely feel your pain on the annoyingly inaccessible installers. The problem is that the CDex developers can do absolutely nothing about it, because the installer is created by a third party developer. I have managed to get NVDA to uncheck those options in the past, but I now don't remember how. Something about golden cursor and simulated mouse movement. Also, while we're on the subject, did you ever try switching to object review and doing an NVDA+enter on the uninstall button? No point installing a whole JAWS demo if you can make it work another way. If you route the mouse with mouse tracking enabled, and you don't hear the name of the button spoken, it is possible that NVDA doesn't actually know where the button is. This can sometimes happen if you're using object navigation keystrokes but you're in screen review mode, for instance.

It looks like Dropbox has decided that my link to a piece of free software is in fact a violation of copyright law. Fantastic logical deduction. I put UTorrent 3.2.1 in an encrypted zip file. The password is utorrent:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1689280/software/utorrent.zip


On 2017-02-15 1:12, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Simon,

Re CDex,

The latest stable version is 1.82, released on 21st December 2016.  It definitely works on Windows 10 although it still has much the same interface it has had for about as long as I've used it.

Regards

Quentin.


On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 3:18 PM, Simon Jaeger <simon@...> wrote:
Hi,

If you were much of a command-line Linux user, you might want to check out Windows 10 bash:

http://www.howtogeek.com/249966/how-to-install-and-use-the-linux-bash-shell-on-windows-10/


YoutubeDLG is what I use for my videos. You can set some options in preferences according to whether you want to convert to audio and keep the video. You can also put custom command line parameters into its configuration which will get passed to youtube-dl directly. Personally, I keep the "convert to audio" checkbox unchecked, and add a -x to the command line parameters so that the original format gets preserved in the case of aac or opus audio. This depends entirely on whether you want to keep the video though.

CDex is definitely good, though I don't know if it's updated for Windows 10. It was the first ripper I ever used and worked until I decided to just use GoldWave's internal converter.

For torrenting, I use UTorrent, but a much older version (3.2.1). I don't know off hand where one can download this, so if you trust a google search more than a random stranger on a mailing list, feel free to find your own download. However, this is my copy and it's running well on two of my machines:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1689280/software/utorrent.exe

A few people talked about driveragent being good, but it's not free. However, I was told it was 30 to 40 dollars for up to 10 machines. If that's your thing, give it a try. I'm also told the free version will tell you which drivers you need, but will not download them automatically. Don't quote me on either of those things.

I'm sure people out here have good suggestions of audio converters. I don't personally have any, as I once again use GoldWave's batch converter most of the time. If I don't, I use the one built into Foobar2000, which also works well in certain cases.


Good luck. Feel free to share any discoveries you make as well.


Simon






On 2017-02-14 19:04, coffeekingms@... wrote:
hi all

I'm a bit ashamed to say this, but I've just switched from linux,
specifically sonar gnu linux,  to windows 10 full time. There are many
reasons why  and I won't go into them hear since this is the wrong list,
but the windows blind community is just friendlier and much much less
prone to judge people based on what software they want to use, what
speech voice they want to use and so on. I was hoping you guys could
point me to some free as in price, and open source if possible, software
to do the things I've gotten used to doing in linux. I'll provide a list.

A cd ripper, preferably one that can look up info on cd databases, and
if such a thing exists, one that can look up data on audiobook cd's,
since the ones available for linux can't. It would be nice if it could
rip to opus or ogg vorbis files, preferably both, since I don't care for
mp3 and use free to use media formats like ogg or opus for everything.
Something that can download videos from youtube, entire playlists if
possible. I've found youtube dl gui for this, but it leaves the video
and audio tracks separate, instead of combining them so I have to
manuallt delete them. An audio converter, so I can convert mp3, m4b, etc
files into the formats I prefer to use. I've come across format factory
and already wrote about it hear, but it doesn't seem to handle opus so I
may need to use something else. I've just discovered kodi, the htpc
software. Can it handle using services such as spotify, pandora and
last.fm? I don't use any of these yet, but I'd like to start, assuming
spotify and pandora are still free to use. Accessible torrent software.
I've been usint q bittorrent, and it is usable but not very accessible.
I want torrent software for legal things, not the pirate bay and such.
Even though I'm no longer using sonar I still want to support it's
torrent seeds, as well as other linux distro torrents such as vinux and
fedora. Is there a good free program to keep drivers up to date? If
these are still needed. My computer is experiencing frequent bugcheck
screens from something called amdkfb.sys, and I thought maybe a free
driver updater would download an updated driver that would fix it.
Something that doesn't nag you to upgrade to a pro version would be
nice, and that can be run portable would be even better, but I don't
want to be picky. I'm only asking for all of these instead of doing my
own research because I'm frequently lead around in circles. Sites that
say a piece of software is free, when what they mean is free but comes
with extra stuff, free trial, or not free at all and they want you to
pay for it. Driver updaters that aren't accessible and often install
extras, such as pc care, pc cleaners, and the chrome browser. Are there
good ways of avoiding these kinds  of things? I'm new to windows after
being in linux for five years so I might as well be a first time windows
user. Thanks for any help, I'll try not to ask for this much help again.

Thanks

Kendell Clark












--
Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 




Simon Jaeger
 

Hi,

A lot of people have said NVDA's touch mode is far from perfect at this point. I have never tried it and don't own a machine with a touchscreen. However, you are correct in assuming that Windows tablets typically have the same processor and versions of Windows. Just watch out for the ones running Windows RT, as that is completely different and will only run universal apps. Anything else is fine.


As for Windows vs. Linux vs. Mac OS, I personally think the whole idea of attacking one operating system is idiotic. Everyone has their problems with various ones. Each OS has things it does well, and things it doesn't. I personally feel extremely efficient and productive on a Windows machine, and I always get a bit ruffled when someone tells me I could be working so much more efficiently in something I've already decided is less so. I love tinkering with things and Linux is great for that, but the machine I tinker with needs to be separate from the one I use for school, work, communication, research, social networking, etc. It sounds like Linux GUI accessibility is great in some areas and shotty in others, and some people are willing to overlook the problems because of the open source aspect of Linux. Either way, it's glad to see a list where that doesn't happen constantly.


On 2017-02-15 1:53, coffeekingms@... wrote:

hi

For some reason, restarting nvda allowed the mouse pointer to be routed to the uninstall control, which didn't have a role nvda recognized. Man avast is whiny when you go to remove it. Please please please please please don't uninstall me. What's interesting is the CDEX is gplv3 open source software, but either the installer isn't or it is and the CDEX people haven't tried modifying it. If it bundles stuff, it probably isn't because they wouldn't want to open that. I've never heard of this golden cursor, but I think it's an NVDA addon you can install. I'll try nvda+kp enter, I wonder what that does. I use the desktop keyboard layout, so that might be the laptop equivalent. While I'm on the subject, if I were to buy a windows tablet would NVDA switch seemlessly between keyboard and touch input modes? It's one thing I've been wanting  for a while, since I don't really seem to like android. Nothing against android whatsoever, but I just can't seem to get the hang of it. Plus, if I had a windows tablet I could mud from my swing out in the yard, and watch my video game walkthroughs from anywhere. My laptop currently has no battery in it so it might as well be a desktop. The problem is, windows tablets are not cheap, but an 80 dollar windows tablet and a cheap bluetooth keyboard would be fantastic. I'm going to assume that windows tablets are x64 and not ARM? In plain english, they have the same or similar hardware parts as a normal desktop or laptop computer would have plus a touch screen, instead of parts a smartphone would have in them, because windows as far as I know does not yet support that type of machine, at least it didn't last I looked. Better stop there, I'll change the subject so people don't get confused.

Thanks

Kendell Clark



On 2/15/2017 3:24 AM, Simon Jaeger wrote:

Glad to hear CDex is still being updated, but I definitely feel your pain on the annoyingly inaccessible installers. The problem is that the CDex developers can do absolutely nothing about it, because the installer is created by a third party developer. I have managed to get NVDA to uncheck those options in the past, but I now don't remember how. Something about golden cursor and simulated mouse movement. Also, while we're on the subject, did you ever try switching to object review and doing an NVDA+enter on the uninstall button? No point installing a whole JAWS demo if you can make it work another way. If you route the mouse with mouse tracking enabled, and you don't hear the name of the button spoken, it is possible that NVDA doesn't actually know where the button is. This can sometimes happen if you're using object navigation keystrokes but you're in screen review mode, for instance.

It looks like Dropbox has decided that my link to a piece of free software is in fact a violation of copyright law. Fantastic logical deduction. I put UTorrent 3.2.1 in an encrypted zip file. The password is utorrent:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1689280/software/utorrent.zip


On 2017-02-15 1:12, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Simon,

Re CDex,

The latest stable version is 1.82, released on 21st December 2016.  It definitely works on Windows 10 although it still has much the same interface it has had for about as long as I've used it.

Regards

Quentin.


On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 3:18 PM, Simon Jaeger <simon@...> wrote:
Hi,

If you were much of a command-line Linux user, you might want to check out Windows 10 bash:

http://www.howtogeek.com/249966/how-to-install-and-use-the-linux-bash-shell-on-windows-10/


YoutubeDLG is what I use for my videos. You can set some options in preferences according to whether you want to convert to audio and keep the video. You can also put custom command line parameters into its configuration which will get passed to youtube-dl directly. Personally, I keep the "convert to audio" checkbox unchecked, and add a -x to the command line parameters so that the original format gets preserved in the case of aac or opus audio. This depends entirely on whether you want to keep the video though.

CDex is definitely good, though I don't know if it's updated for Windows 10. It was the first ripper I ever used and worked until I decided to just use GoldWave's internal converter.

For torrenting, I use UTorrent, but a much older version (3.2.1). I don't know off hand where one can download this, so if you trust a google search more than a random stranger on a mailing list, feel free to find your own download. However, this is my copy and it's running well on two of my machines:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1689280/software/utorrent.exe

A few people talked about driveragent being good, but it's not free. However, I was told it was 30 to 40 dollars for up to 10 machines. If that's your thing, give it a try. I'm also told the free version will tell you which drivers you need, but will not download them automatically. Don't quote me on either of those things.

I'm sure people out here have good suggestions of audio converters. I don't personally have any, as I once again use GoldWave's batch converter most of the time. If I don't, I use the one built into Foobar2000, which also works well in certain cases.


Good luck. Feel free to share any discoveries you make as well.


Simon






On 2017-02-14 19:04, coffeekingms@... wrote:
hi all

I'm a bit ashamed to say this, but I've just switched from linux,
specifically sonar gnu linux,  to windows 10 full time. There are many
reasons why  and I won't go into them hear since this is the wrong list,
but the windows blind community is just friendlier and much much less
prone to judge people based on what software they want to use, what
speech voice they want to use and so on. I was hoping you guys could
point me to some free as in price, and open source if possible, software
to do the things I've gotten used to doing in linux. I'll provide a list.

A cd ripper, preferably one that can look up info on cd databases, and
if such a thing exists, one that can look up data on audiobook cd's,
since the ones available for linux can't. It would be nice if it could
rip to opus or ogg vorbis files, preferably both, since I don't care for
mp3 and use free to use media formats like ogg or opus for everything.
Something that can download videos from youtube, entire playlists if
possible. I've found youtube dl gui for this, but it leaves the video
and audio tracks separate, instead of combining them so I have to
manuallt delete them. An audio converter, so I can convert mp3, m4b, etc
files into the formats I prefer to use. I've come across format factory
and already wrote about it hear, but it doesn't seem to handle opus so I
may need to use something else. I've just discovered kodi, the htpc
software. Can it handle using services such as spotify, pandora and
last.fm? I don't use any of these yet, but I'd like to start, assuming
spotify and pandora are still free to use. Accessible torrent software.
I've been usint q bittorrent, and it is usable but not very accessible.
I want torrent software for legal things, not the pirate bay and such.
Even though I'm no longer using sonar I still want to support it's
torrent seeds, as well as other linux distro torrents such as vinux and
fedora. Is there a good free program to keep drivers up to date? If
these are still needed. My computer is experiencing frequent bugcheck
screens from something called amdkfb.sys, and I thought maybe a free
driver updater would download an updated driver that would fix it.
Something that doesn't nag you to upgrade to a pro version would be
nice, and that can be run portable would be even better, but I don't
want to be picky. I'm only asking for all of these instead of doing my
own research because I'm frequently lead around in circles. Sites that
say a piece of software is free, when what they mean is free but comes
with extra stuff, free trial, or not free at all and they want you to
pay for it. Driver updaters that aren't accessible and often install
extras, such as pc care, pc cleaners, and the chrome browser. Are there
good ways of avoiding these kinds  of things? I'm new to windows after
being in linux for five years so I might as well be a first time windows
user. Thanks for any help, I'll try not to ask for this much help again.

Thanks

Kendell Clark












--
Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

www.nvaccess.org 
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Yes indeed. I find people tell me who are sighted that windows gestures on windows tablets can often be a bit slow just like other things in Windows. I suspect building another layer on those for a screenreader will inherit that sluggishness and add its own, so personally give me a keyboard operated system any day over touch.
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From: "Simon Jaeger" <simon@simonj.me>
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Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 8:10 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] windows tablets was Re: new to windows, need help on software selections


Hi,

A lot of people have said NVDA's touch mode is far from perfect at this
point. I have never tried it and don't own a machine with a touchscreen.
However, you are correct in assuming that Windows tablets typically have
the same processor and versions of Windows. Just watch out for the ones
running Windows RT, as that is completely different and will only run
universal apps. Anything else is fine.


As for Windows vs. Linux vs. Mac OS, I personally think the whole idea
of attacking one operating system is idiotic. Everyone has their
problems with various ones. Each OS has things it does well, and things
it doesn't. I personally feel extremely efficient and productive on a
Windows machine, and I always get a bit ruffled when someone tells me I
could be working so much more efficiently in something I've already
decided is less so. I love tinkering with things and Linux is great for
that, but the machine I tinker with needs to be separate from the one I
use for school, work, communication, research, social networking, etc.
It sounds like Linux GUI accessibility is great in some areas and shotty
in others, and some people are willing to overlook the problems because
of the open source aspect of Linux. Either way, it's glad to see a list
where that doesn't happen constantly.


On 2017-02-15 1:53, coffeekingms@hotmail.com wrote:

hi

For some reason, restarting nvda allowed the mouse pointer to be
routed to the uninstall control, which didn't have a role nvda
recognized. Man avast is whiny when you go to remove it. Please please
please please please don't uninstall me. What's interesting is the
CDEX is gplv3 open source software, but either the installer isn't or
it is and the CDEX people haven't tried modifying it. If it bundles
stuff, it probably isn't because they wouldn't want to open that. I've
never heard of this golden cursor, but I think it's an NVDA addon you
can install. I'll try nvda+kp enter, I wonder what that does. I use
the desktop keyboard layout, so that might be the laptop equivalent.
While I'm on the subject, if I were to buy a windows tablet would NVDA
switch seemlessly between keyboard and touch input modes? It's one
thing I've been wanting for a while, since I don't really seem to
like android. Nothing against android whatsoever, but I just can't
seem to get the hang of it. Plus, if I had a windows tablet I could
mud from my swing out in the yard, and watch my video game
walkthroughs from anywhere. My laptop currently has no battery in it
so it might as well be a desktop. The problem is, windows tablets are
not cheap, but an 80 dollar windows tablet and a cheap bluetooth
keyboard would be fantastic. I'm going to assume that windows tablets
are x64 and not ARM? In plain english, they have the same or similar
hardware parts as a normal desktop or laptop computer would have plus
a touch screen, instead of parts a smartphone would have in them,
because windows as far as I know does not yet support that type of
machine, at least it didn't last I looked. Better stop there, I'll
change the subject so people don't get confused.

Thanks

Kendell Clark



On 2/15/2017 3:24 AM, Simon Jaeger wrote:

Glad to hear CDex is still being updated, but I definitely feel your
pain on the annoyingly inaccessible installers. The problem is that
the CDex developers can do absolutely nothing about it, because the
installer is created by a third party developer. I have managed to
get NVDA to uncheck those options in the past, but I now don't
remember how. Something about golden cursor and simulated mouse
movement. Also, while we're on the subject, did you ever try
switching to object review and doing an NVDA+enter on the uninstall
button? No point installing a whole JAWS demo if you can make it work
another way. If you route the mouse with mouse tracking enabled, and
you don't hear the name of the button spoken, it is possible that
NVDA doesn't actually know where the button is. This can sometimes
happen if you're using object navigation keystrokes but you're in
screen review mode, for instance.

It looks like Dropbox has decided that my link to a piece of free
software is in fact a violation of copyright law. Fantastic logical
deduction. I put UTorrent 3.2.1 in an encrypted zip file. The
password is utorrent:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1689280/software/utorrent.zip


On 2017-02-15 1:12, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Simon,

Re CDex,

The latest stable version is 1.82, released on 21st December 2016.
It definitely works on Windows 10 although it still has much the
same interface it has had for about as long as I've used it.

Regards

Quentin.


On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 3:18 PM, Simon Jaeger <simon@simonj.me
<mailto:simon@simonj.me>> wrote:

Hi,

If you were much of a command-line Linux user, you might want to
check out Windows 10 bash:

http://www.howtogeek.com/249966/how-to-install-and-use-the-linux-bash-shell-on-windows-10/
<http://www.howtogeek.com/249966/how-to-install-and-use-the-linux-bash-shell-on-windows-10/>


YoutubeDLG is what I use for my videos. You can set some options
in preferences according to whether you want to convert to audio
and keep the video. You can also put custom command line
parameters into its configuration which will get passed to
youtube-dl directly. Personally, I keep the "convert to audio"
checkbox unchecked, and add a -x to the command line parameters
so that the original format gets preserved in the case of aac or
opus audio. This depends entirely on whether you want to keep
the video though.

CDex is definitely good, though I don't know if it's updated for
Windows 10. It was the first ripper I ever used and worked until
I decided to just use GoldWave's internal converter.

For torrenting, I use UTorrent, but a much older version
(3.2.1). I don't know off hand where one can download this, so
if you trust a google search more than a random stranger on a
mailing list, feel free to find your own download. However, this
is my copy and it's running well on two of my machines:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1689280/software/utorrent.exe
<https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1689280/software/utorrent.exe>

A few people talked about driveragent being good, but it's not
free. However, I was told it was 30 to 40 dollars for up to 10
machines. If that's your thing, give it a try. I'm also told the
free version will tell you which drivers you need, but will not
download them automatically. Don't quote me on either of those
things.

I'm sure people out here have good suggestions of audio
converters. I don't personally have any, as I once again use
GoldWave's batch converter most of the time. If I don't, I use
the one built into Foobar2000, which also works well in certain
cases.


Good luck. Feel free to share any discoveries you make as well.


Simon






On 2017-02-14 19:04, coffeekingms@hotmail.com
<mailto:coffeekingms@hotmail.com> wrote:

hi all

I'm a bit ashamed to say this, but I've just switched from
linux,
specifically sonar gnu linux, to windows 10 full time.
There are many
reasons why and I won't go into them hear since this is the
wrong list,
but the windows blind community is just friendlier and much
much less
prone to judge people based on what software they want to
use, what
speech voice they want to use and so on. I was hoping you
guys could
point me to some free as in price, and open source if
possible, software
to do the things I've gotten used to doing in linux. I'll
provide a list.

A cd ripper, preferably one that can look up info on cd
databases, and
if such a thing exists, one that can look up data on
audiobook cd's,
since the ones available for linux can't. It would be nice
if it could
rip to opus or ogg vorbis files, preferably both, since I
don't care for
mp3 and use free to use media formats like ogg or opus for
everything.
Something that can download videos from youtube, entire
playlists if
possible. I've found youtube dl gui for this, but it leaves
the video
and audio tracks separate, instead of combining them so I
have to
manuallt delete them. An audio converter, so I can convert
mp3, m4b, etc
files into the formats I prefer to use. I've come across
format factory
and already wrote about it hear, but it doesn't seem to
handle opus so I
may need to use something else. I've just discovered kodi,
the htpc
software. Can it handle using services such as spotify,
pandora and
last.fm <http://last.fm>? I don't use any of these yet, but
I'd like to start, assuming
spotify and pandora are still free to use. Accessible
torrent software.
I've been usint q bittorrent, and it is usable but not very
accessible.
I want torrent software for legal things, not the pirate bay
and such.
Even though I'm no longer using sonar I still want to
support it's
torrent seeds, as well as other linux distro torrents such
as vinux and
fedora. Is there a good free program to keep drivers up to
date? If
these are still needed. My computer is experiencing frequent
bugcheck
screens from something called amdkfb.sys, and I thought
maybe a free
driver updater would download an updated driver that would
fix it.
Something that doesn't nag you to upgrade to a pro version
would be
nice, and that can be run portable would be even better, but
I don't
want to be picky. I'm only asking for all of these instead
of doing my
own research because I'm frequently lead around in circles.
Sites that
say a piece of software is free, when what they mean is free
but comes
with extra stuff, free trial, or not free at all and they
want you to
pay for it. Driver updaters that aren't accessible and often
install
extras, such as pc care, pc cleaners, and the chrome
browser. Are there
good ways of avoiding these kinds of things? I'm new to
windows after
being in linux for five years so I might as well be a first
time windows
user. Thanks for any help, I'll try not to ask for this much
help again.

Thanks

Kendell Clark












--
Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now
available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Ph +61 7 3149 3306 <tel:%2B61%207%203149%203306>
www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org/>
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