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Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
Guys, I just have taken on a new position at my church. One of the things which will be required of me on a very regular basis is to read spreadsheet documents which will be created in Excel. I should make it very clear that these files will not have anything in them of numerical value, nor have any formulas. The only reason they are using Excel is to keep things neetly organized in both rows and columns, and to make sure that things accessibly line up correctly. So, being that we are not using Excel for the mathematical side of it, but more just for very basic organization, I’m curious how well NVDA will work with Excel, seeing that I honestly haven’t really used it heavily up until now. It seems to work very very well with JAWS, but I’ve not had the chance to try it with NVDA. If this doesn’t work, which I’m sure it probably will, then I’m going to have to work with them on another sollution, which isn’t a problem, I just need to know either way. As for my few questions, provided that the lady who does the documents makes the first row of columns specifically be headers, like, name, location assighment, etc, then is there a way, say, I then went to the next row down and saw Chris Gilland, could I somehow query the header of that column and see that I’m in the, “Name” column? Secondly, is there a way to have excel report the current cell coordinants without the need for me to focus on another cell, then move back to the one I initially was in thereby forcing NVDA to speak them? And finally, can I have NVDA read not just one cell at a time, but instead read me the entire row? Thanks. Chris.
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You could copy and paste the content into a Word doc. Once it’s in a word doc, you can convert the table to text which would simplify everything greatly, but still keep it lined up.
I don’t have any personal experience with NVDA and Excel, but someone who works for me who is blind hates it. But all the things he has complained about (drop down boxes, comments, totals changing when content
changes etc.) you probably wouldn’t be using
Sheri
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io]
On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 3:18 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and a few extremely elementary questions
Importance: High
Guys,
I just have taken on a new position at my church. One of the things which will be required of me on a very regular basis is to read spreadsheet documents which will be created in Excel.
I should make it very clear that these files will not have anything in them of numerical value, nor have any formulas. The only reason they are using Excel is to keep things neetly organized in both rows and columns, and to make sure that
things accessibly line up correctly.
So, being that we are not using Excel for the mathematical side of it, but more just for very basic organization, I’m curious how well NVDA will work with Excel, seeing that I honestly haven’t really used it heavily up until now. It seems
to work very very well with JAWS, but I’ve not had the chance to try it with NVDA. If this doesn’t work, which I’m sure it probably will, then I’m going to have to work with them on another sollution, which isn’t a problem, I just need to know either way.
As for my few questions, provided that the lady who does the documents makes the first row of columns specifically be headers, like, name, location assighment, etc, then is there a way, say, I then went to the next row down and saw Chris
Gilland, could I somehow query the header of that column and see that I’m in the, “Name” column?
Secondly, is there a way to have excel report the current cell coordinants without the need for me to focus on another cell, then move back to the one I initially was in thereby forcing NVDA to speak them? And finally, can I have NVDA read
not just one cell at a time, but instead read me the entire row?
Thanks.
Chris.
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Hello Christopher, I would always keep your basic documents in Excel. When you are required to read them, you first select the rows and columns you want to read, open a separate word file, and in the word file, hit alt+control+ v, and arrow down until you see paste as unformatted text. Another way is to simply copy the rows and columns into a text file. You can rapidly traverse the text representation in these files. Please note that it is especially helpful to have a Braille printer, and just read the braille produced from these text formatted files. Again, keep your original files in Excel. Regards Louis Maher Phone: 713-444-7838 E-mail: ljmaher@...
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 5:18 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and a few extremely elementary questions Importance: High Guys, I just have taken on a new position at my church. One of the things which will be required of me on a very regular basis is to read spreadsheet documents which will be created in Excel. I should make it very clear that these files will not have anything in them of numerical value, nor have any formulas. The only reason they are using Excel is to keep things neetly organized in both rows and columns, and to make sure that things accessibly line up correctly. So, being that we are not using Excel for the mathematical side of it, but more just for very basic organization, I’m curious how well NVDA will work with Excel, seeing that I honestly haven’t really used it heavily up until now. It seems to work very very well with JAWS, but I’ve not had the chance to try it with NVDA. If this doesn’t work, which I’m sure it probably will, then I’m going to have to work with them on another sollution, which isn’t a problem, I just need to know either way. As for my few questions, provided that the lady who does the documents makes the first row of columns specifically be headers, like, name, location assighment, etc, then is there a way, say, I then went to the next row down and saw Chris Gilland, could I somehow query the header of that column and see that I’m in the, “Name” column? Secondly, is there a way to have excel report the current cell coordinants without the need for me to focus on another cell, then move back to the one I initially was in thereby forcing NVDA to speak them? And finally, can I have NVDA read not just one cell at a time, but instead read me the entire row? Thanks. Chris.
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firstly, NVDA works quite well with Excel. For you to say you have not
had the chance to try Excel with NVDA amuses and puzzles me, because
NVDA is free.
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
On 3/22/17, Louis Maher <ljmaher@...> wrote: Hello Christopher,
I would always keep your basic documents in Excel. When you are required to
read them, you first select the rows and columns you want to read, open a
separate word file, and in the word file, hit alt+control+ v, and arrow down
until you see paste as unformatted text.
Another way is to simply copy the rows and columns into a text file.
You can rapidly traverse the text representation in these files.
Please note that it is especially helpful to have a Braille printer, and
just read the braille produced from these text formatted files.
Again, keep your original files in Excel.
Regards
Louis Maher
Phone: 713-444-7838
E-mail: ljmaher@...
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 5:18 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and a few extremely
elementary questions
Importance: High
Guys,
I just have taken on a new position at my church. One of the things which
will be required of me on a very regular basis is to read spreadsheet
documents which will be created in Excel.
I should make it very clear that these files will not have anything in them
of numerical value, nor have any formulas. The only reason they are using
Excel is to keep things neetly organized in both rows and columns, and to
make sure that things accessibly line up correctly.
So, being that we are not using Excel for the mathematical side of it, but
more just for very basic organization, I’m curious how well NVDA will work
with Excel, seeing that I honestly haven’t really used it heavily up until
now. It seems to work very very well with JAWS, but I’ve not had the chance
to try it with NVDA. If this doesn’t work, which I’m sure it probably will,
then I’m going to have to work with them on another sollution, which isn’t a
problem, I just need to know either way.
As for my few questions, provided that the lady who does the documents makes
the first row of columns specifically be headers, like, name, location
assighment, etc, then is there a way, say, I then went to the next row down
and saw Chris Gilland, could I somehow query the header of that column and
see that I’m in the, “Name” column?
Secondly, is there a way to have excel report the current cell coordinants
without the need for me to focus on another cell, then move back to the one
I initially was in thereby forcing NVDA to speak them? And finally, can I
have NVDA read not just one cell at a time, but instead read me the entire
row?
Thanks.
Chris.
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Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
That's way more work than necessary! And, with the
platform we're using, we *can't* use Word, nor do text.
The files absolutely *MUST!* be in Excel
format.
---
Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven
Ministries
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 6:33
PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Incredibly basic
Excel functionality, and a few extremely elementary questions
You could copy and paste the
content into a Word doc. Once it’s in a word doc, you can convert the
table to text which would simplify everything greatly, but still keep it lined
up.
I don’t have any personal
experience with NVDA and Excel, but someone who works for me who is blind
hates it. But all the things he has complained about (drop down boxes,
comments, totals changing when content changes etc.) you probably wouldn’t be
using
Sheri
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark
Gilland
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 3:18 PM
To:
nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Incredibly basic Excel
functionality, and a few extremely elementary questions
Importance:
High
Guys,
I just have taken on a new position at my church. One of
the things which will be required of me on a very regular basis is to read
spreadsheet documents which will be created in Excel.
I should make it very clear that these files will not have
anything in them of numerical value, nor have any formulas. The only reason
they are using Excel is to keep things neetly organized in both rows and
columns, and to make sure that things accessibly line up
correctly.
So, being that we are not using Excel for the mathematical
side of it, but more just for very basic organization, I’m curious how well
NVDA will work with Excel, seeing that I honestly haven’t really used it
heavily up until now. It seems to work very very well with JAWS, but I’ve not
had the chance to try it with NVDA. If this doesn’t work, which I’m sure it
probably will, then I’m going to have to work with them on another sollution,
which isn’t a problem, I just need to know either way.
As for my few questions, provided that the lady who does
the documents makes the first row of columns specifically be headers, like,
name, location assighment, etc, then is there a way, say, I then went to the
next row down and saw Chris Gilland, could I somehow query the header of that
column and see that I’m in the, “Name” column?
Secondly, is there a way to have excel report the current
cell coordinants without the need for me to focus on another cell, then move
back to the one I initially was in thereby forcing NVDA to speak them? And
finally, can I have NVDA read not just one cell at a time, but instead read me
the entire row?
Thanks.
Chris.
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Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
So, I'm confused thoroughly.
Are you trying to imply that NVDA will not natively
read Excel documents just by arrowing from one cell to another?
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Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine
Safe Haven Ministries
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 6:54
PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Incredibly basic
Excel functionality, and a few extremely elementary questions
Hello
Christopher,
I would always
keep your basic documents in Excel. When you are required to read them,
you first select the rows and columns you want to read, open a separate word
file, and in the word file, hit alt+control+ v, and arrow down until you see
paste as unformatted text.
Another way is
to simply copy the rows and columns into a text file.
You can rapidly
traverse the text representation in these files.
Please note
that it is especially helpful to have a Braille printer, and just read the
braille produced from these text formatted files.
Again, keep
your original files in Excel.
Regards
Louis
Maher
Phone:
713-444-7838
E-mail:
ljmaher@...
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark
Gilland
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 5:18 PM
To:
nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Incredibly basic Excel
functionality, and a few extremely elementary questions
Importance:
High
Guys,
I just have taken on a new position at my church. One of
the things which will be required of me on a very regular basis is to read
spreadsheet documents which will be created in Excel.
I should make it very clear that these files will not have
anything in them of numerical value, nor have any formulas. The only reason
they are using Excel is to keep things neetly organized in both rows and
columns, and to make sure that things accessibly line up
correctly.
So, being that we are not using Excel for the mathematical
side of it, but more just for very basic organization, I’m curious how well
NVDA will work with Excel, seeing that I honestly haven’t really used it
heavily up until now. It seems to work very very well with JAWS, but I’ve not
had the chance to try it with NVDA. If this doesn’t work, which I’m sure it
probably will, then I’m going to have to work with them on another sollution,
which isn’t a problem, I just need to know either way.
As for my few questions, provided that the lady who does
the documents makes the first row of columns specifically be headers, like,
name, location assighment, etc, then is there a way, say, I then went to the
next row down and saw Chris Gilland, could I somehow query the header of that
column and see that I’m in the, “Name” column?
Secondly, is there a way to have excel report the current
cell coordinants without the need for me to focus on another cell, then move
back to the one I initially was in thereby forcing NVDA to speak them? And
finally, can I have NVDA read not just one cell at a time, but instead read me
the entire row?
Thanks.
Chris.
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Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
Well, excuse me Sir, but your comment is quite
rude. Have you ever thought just maybe that I'd only been home from work a
matter of 10 to 15 minutes when I wrote that message? Secondly, have you ever
thought that maybe... just, maybe... at that time, I didn't have access to a
computer that had NVDA installed on it, and that that's why I didn't try? Give
this guy a break for crying out loud!
I don't know what you find so amusing, in your
words, about my previous message, but I'll tell you one thing: your comment
definitely wasn't so, with all due respect.
---
Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven
Ministries
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 7:06
PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Incredibly basic
Excel functionality, and a few extremely elementary questions
firstly, NVDA works quite well with Excel. For you to say you
have not
had the chance to try Excel with NVDA amuses and puzzles me,
because
NVDA is free.
On 3/22/17, Louis Maher <ljmaher@...> wrote:
>
Hello Christopher,
>
>
>
> I would always keep your
basic documents in Excel. When you are required to
> read them,
you first select the rows and columns you want to read, open a
>
separate word file, and in the word file, hit alt+control+ v, and arrow
down
> until you see paste as unformatted
text.
>
>
>
> Another way is to simply copy the rows
and columns into a text file.
>
>
>
> You can rapidly
traverse the text representation in these
files.
>
>
>
> Please note that it is especially
helpful to have a Braille printer, and
> just read the braille produced
from these text formatted files.
>
>
>
> Again, keep
your original files in Excel.
>
>
>
>
>
>
Regards
>
> Louis Maher
>
> Phone:
713-444-7838
>
> E-mail: ljmaher@...
>
>
>
>
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
> Christopher-Mark
Gilland
> Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 5:18 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject:
[nvda] Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and a few extremely
>
elementary questions
> Importance: High
>
>
>
>
Guys,
>
>
>
> I just have taken on a new position at
my church. One of the things which
> will be required of me on a very
regular basis is to read spreadsheet
> documents which will be created
in Excel.
>
>
>
> I should make it very clear that
these files will not have anything in them
> of numerical value, nor
have any formulas. The only reason they are using
> Excel is to keep
things neetly organized in both rows and columns, and to
> make sure
that things accessibly line up correctly.
>
>
>
> So,
being that we are not using Excel for the mathematical side of it, but
>
more just for very basic organization, I’m curious how well NVDA will
work
> with Excel, seeing that I honestly haven’t really used it heavily
up until
> now. It seems to work very very well with JAWS, but I’ve not
had the chance
> to try it with NVDA. If this doesn’t work, which I’m
sure it probably will,
> then I’m going to have to work with them on
another sollution, which isn’t a
> problem, I just need to know either
way.
>
>
>
> As for my few questions, provided that
the lady who does the documents makes
> the first row of columns
specifically be headers, like, name, location
> assighment, etc, then is
there a way, say, I then went to the next row down
> and saw Chris
Gilland, could I somehow query the header of that column and
> see that
I’m in the, “Name” column?
>
>
>
> Secondly, is there
a way to have excel report the current cell coordinants
> without the
need for me to focus on another cell, then move back to the one
> I
initially was in thereby forcing NVDA to speak them? And finally, can
I
> have NVDA read not just one cell at a time, but instead read me the
entire
> row?
>
>
>
>
Thanks.
>
>
>
>
Chris.
>
>
>
>
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As you already know, excel is not a word processor. It always
irks me when folks use excel for document management. It's like
nobody knows it's a spreadsheet program, and millions of other
tools exist to handle documents, including formatting to one's
liking. There's zero reasons to use excel for document
management, and it's just a sad state of affairs that folks still
do this. If it were me, I'd be campaigning strongly for a change
in venue, since typically, it's generally best to use a program
for it's intended purpose instead of shoehorning it into a role it
was never meant to fill, but that's just my take on things, feel
free to ignore as desired.
Just saying, excel is a horrible tool to use, just because
formatting is a premium.
On 3/22/2017 11:17 PM, Christopher-Mark
Gilland wrote:
That's way more work than necessary! And, with the platform
we're using, we *can't* use Word, nor do text.
The files absolutely *MUST!* be in Excel format.
---
Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 6:33 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Incredibly basic Excel
functionality, and a few extremely elementary questions
You could copy and paste the
content into a Word doc. Once it’s in a word doc, you can
convert the table to text which would simplify everything
greatly, but still keep it lined up.
I don’t have any personal
experience with NVDA and Excel, but someone who works for
me who is blind hates it. But all the things he has
complained about (drop down boxes, comments, totals
changing when content changes etc.) you probably wouldn’t
be using
Sheri
Guys,
I just have taken on a new position at my
church. One of the things which will be required of me on a
very regular basis is to read spreadsheet documents which
will be created in Excel.
I should make it very clear that these
files will not have anything in them of numerical value, nor
have any formulas. The only reason they are using Excel is
to keep things neetly organized in both rows and columns,
and to make sure that things accessibly line up correctly.
So, being that we are not using Excel for
the mathematical side of it, but more just for very basic
organization, I’m curious how well NVDA will work with
Excel, seeing that I honestly haven’t really used it heavily
up until now. It seems to work very very well with JAWS, but
I’ve not had the chance to try it with NVDA. If this doesn’t
work, which I’m sure it probably will, then I’m going to
have to work with them on another sollution, which isn’t a
problem, I just need to know either way.
As for my few questions, provided that
the lady who does the documents makes the first row of
columns specifically be headers, like, name, location
assighment, etc, then is there a way, say, I then went to
the next row down and saw Chris Gilland, could I somehow
query the header of that column and see that I’m in the,
“Name” column?
Secondly, is there a way to have excel
report the current cell coordinants without the need for me
to focus on another cell, then move back to the one I
initially was in thereby forcing NVDA to speak them? And
finally, can I have NVDA read not just one cell at a time,
but instead read me the entire row?
Thanks.
Chris.
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Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
I'm sorry you feel that way, but with all due
respect, I didn't ask if Excel was a good sollution. I asked if Excel,
in general, worked with NVDA. Just answer the question.
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Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven
Ministries
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 11:41
PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Incredibly basic
Excel functionality, and a few extremely elementary questions
As you already know, excel is not a word processor. It always irks me
when folks use excel for document management. It's like nobody knows
it's a spreadsheet program, and millions of other tools exist to handle
documents, including formatting to one's liking. There's zero reasons to
use excel for document management, and it's just a sad state of affairs that
folks still do this. If it were me, I'd be campaigning strongly for a
change in venue, since typically, it's generally best to use a program for
it's intended purpose instead of shoehorning it into a role it was never meant
to fill, but that's just my take on things, feel free to ignore as
desired.
Just saying, excel is a horrible tool to use, just because formatting is a
premium.
On 3/22/2017 11:17 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland
wrote:
That's way more work than necessary! And, with the platform we're
using, we *can't* use Word, nor do text.
The files absolutely *MUST!* be in Excel format.
---
Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven
Ministries
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 6:33 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and
a few extremely elementary questions
You could copy and paste the content into a Word
doc. Once it’s in a word doc, you can convert the table to text
which would simplify everything greatly, but still keep it lined
up.
I don’t have any personal experience with NVDA
and Excel, but someone who works for me who is blind hates it. But
all the things he has complained about (drop down boxes, comments, totals
changing when content changes etc.) you probably wouldn’t be
using
Sheri
Guys,
I just have taken on a new position at my church. One
of the things which will be required of me on a very regular basis is to
read spreadsheet documents which will be created in Excel.
I should make it very clear that these files will not
have anything in them of numerical value, nor have any formulas. The only
reason they are using Excel is to keep things neetly organized in both
rows and columns, and to make sure that things accessibly line up
correctly.
So, being that we are not using Excel for the
mathematical side of it, but more just for very basic organization, I’m
curious how well NVDA will work with Excel, seeing that I honestly haven’t
really used it heavily up until now. It seems to work very very well with
JAWS, but I’ve not had the chance to try it with NVDA. If this doesn’t
work, which I’m sure it probably will, then I’m going to have to work with
them on another sollution, which isn’t a problem, I just need to know
either way.
As for my few questions, provided that the lady who
does the documents makes the first row of columns specifically be headers,
like, name, location assighment, etc, then is there a way, say, I then
went to the next row down and saw Chris Gilland, could I somehow query the
header of that column and see that I’m in the, “Name” column?
Secondly, is there a way to have excel report the
current cell coordinants without the need for me to focus on another cell,
then move back to the one I initially was in thereby forcing NVDA to speak
them? And finally, can I have NVDA read not just one cell at a time, but
instead read me the entire row?
Thanks.
Chris.
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- Column and row headers can be set on the column or row containing the headers and will be echoed by NVDA while navigating through cells. The NVDA user guide covers this in detail in the section pertaining to Excel.
- As for cell co-ordinates, this can be set to speak while navigating by cells. This setting is found under document settings, NVDA+control+d and the changes made here can be saved globally or under an Excel specific profile. See NVDA user guide for details. Alternatively cell co-ordinates can be queried on the fly with NVDA+numpad-delete, which will speak the name of the sheet and the cell address which has focus. I believe the latter keystroke was added in NVDA 2017.1.
- I can’t think off-hand how one would read the entire row in Excel, but that could be because I use Excel for its purpose and not as a database or word processor.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Thursday, 23 March 2017 05:19
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and a few extremely elementary questions So, I'm confused thoroughly. Are you trying to imply that NVDA will not natively read Excel documents just by arrowing from one cell to another? ---
Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 6:54 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and a few extremely elementary questions Hello Christopher, I would always keep your basic documents in Excel. When you are required to read them, you first select the rows and columns you want to read, open a separate word file, and in the word file, hit alt+control+ v, and arrow down until you see paste as unformatted text. Another way is to simply copy the rows and columns into a text file. You can rapidly traverse the text representation in these files. Please note that it is especially helpful to have a Braille printer, and just read the braille produced from these text formatted files. Again, keep your original files in Excel. Regards Louis Maher Phone: 713-444-7838 E-mail: ljmaher@... Guys, I just have taken on a new position at my church. One of the things which will be required of me on a very regular basis is to read spreadsheet documents which will be created in Excel. I should make it very clear that these files will not have anything in them of numerical value, nor have any formulas. The only reason they are using Excel is to keep things neetly organized in both rows and columns, and to make sure that things accessibly line up correctly. So, being that we are not using Excel for the mathematical side of it, but more just for very basic organization, I’m curious how well NVDA will work with Excel, seeing that I honestly haven’t really used it heavily up until now. It seems to work very very well with JAWS, but I’ve not had the chance to try it with NVDA. If this doesn’t work, which I’m sure it probably will, then I’m going to have to work with them on another sollution, which isn’t a problem, I just need to know either way. As for my few questions, provided that the lady who does the documents makes the first row of columns specifically be headers, like, name, location assighment, etc, then is there a way, say, I then went to the next row down and saw Chris Gilland, could I somehow query the header of that column and see that I’m in the, “Name” column? Secondly, is there a way to have excel report the current cell coordinants without the need for me to focus on another cell, then move back to the one I initially was in thereby forcing NVDA to speak them? And finally, can I have NVDA read not just one cell at a time, but instead read me the entire row? Thanks. Chris.
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Hi.
Just test it and see how it works. Different persons have different results.
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On 3/22/17, Jacques <lists4js@...> wrote: 1. Column and row headers can be set on the column or row containing the
headers and will be echoed by NVDA while navigating through cells. The NVDA
user guide covers this in detail in the section pertaining to Excel.
2. As for cell co-ordinates, this can be set to speak while navigating by
cells. This setting is found under document settings, NVDA+control+d and the
changes made here can be saved globally or under an Excel specific profile.
See NVDA user guide for details. Alternatively cell co-ordinates can be
queried on the fly with NVDA+numpad-delete, which will speak the name of the
sheet and the cell address which has focus. I believe the latter keystroke
was added in NVDA 2017.1.
3. I can’t think off-hand how one would read the entire row in Excel, but
that could be because I use Excel for its purpose and not as a database or
word processor.
Jacques
<https://certification.nvaccess.org/> Visit NVDA certification page here
<https://www.stascom.co.za/> Open my home page |
<mailto:webmaster@...> contact webmaster |
<https://www.twitter.com/stassenj> follow on Twitter
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Thursday, 23 March 2017 05:19
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and a few
extremely elementary questions
So, I'm confused thoroughly.
Are you trying to imply that NVDA will not natively read Excel documents
just by arrowing from one cell to another?
---
Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
http://www.gshministry.org
(980) 500-9575
----- Original Message -----
From: Louis Maher <mailto:ljmaher@...>
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 6:54 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and a few
extremely elementary questions
Hello Christopher,
I would always keep your basic documents in Excel. When you are required to
read them, you first select the rows and columns you want to read, open a
separate word file, and in the word file, hit alt+control+ v, and arrow down
until you see paste as unformatted text.
Another way is to simply copy the rows and columns into a text file.
You can rapidly traverse the text representation in these files.
Please note that it is especially helpful to have a Braille printer, and
just read the braille produced from these text formatted files.
Again, keep your original files in Excel.
Regards
Louis Maher
Phone: 713-444-7838
E-mail: <mailto:ljmaher@...> ljmaher@...
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 5:18 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and a few extremely
elementary questions
Importance: High
Guys,
I just have taken on a new position at my church. One of the things which
will be required of me on a very regular basis is to read spreadsheet
documents which will be created in Excel.
I should make it very clear that these files will not have anything in them
of numerical value, nor have any formulas. The only reason they are using
Excel is to keep things neetly organized in both rows and columns, and to
make sure that things accessibly line up correctly.
So, being that we are not using Excel for the mathematical side of it, but
more just for very basic organization, I’m curious how well NVDA will work
with Excel, seeing that I honestly haven’t really used it heavily up until
now. It seems to work very very well with JAWS, but I’ve not had the chance
to try it with NVDA. If this doesn’t work, which I’m sure it probably will,
then I’m going to have to work with them on another sollution, which isn’t a
problem, I just need to know either way.
As for my few questions, provided that the lady who does the documents makes
the first row of columns specifically be headers, like, name, location
assighment, etc, then is there a way, say, I then went to the next row down
and saw Chris Gilland, could I somehow query the header of that column and
see that I’m in the, “Name” column?
Secondly, is there a way to have excel report the current cell coordinants
without the need for me to focus on another cell, then move back to the one
I initially was in thereby forcing NVDA to speak them? And finally, can I
have NVDA read not just one cell at a time, but instead read me the entire
row?
Thanks.
Chris.
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Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
Jacques,
You are awesome! Thank you so so much! This is
precisely! the info I needed.
Have a fantastic day, and thank you for such a
thorough response. It is profusely appreciated!
God bless.
---
Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven
Ministries
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 12:15
AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Incredibly basic
Excel functionality, and a few extremely elementary questions
- Column and row headers can be set on the column or
row containing the headers and will be echoed by NVDA while navigating
through cells. The NVDA user guide covers this in detail in the section
pertaining to Excel.
- As for cell co-ordinates, this can be set to speak
while navigating by cells. This setting is found under document settings,
NVDA+control+d and the changes made here can be saved globally or under an
Excel specific profile. See NVDA user guide for details. Alternatively cell
co-ordinates can be queried on the fly with NVDA+numpad-delete, which will
speak the name of the sheet and the cell address which has focus. I believe
the latter keystroke was added in NVDA 2017.1.
- I can’t think off-hand how
one would read the entire row in Excel, but that could be because I use
Excel for its purpose and not as a database or word
processor.
From:
nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Thursday, 23 March 2017
05:19
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda]
Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and a few extremely elementary
questions
So, I'm
confused thoroughly.
Are you
trying to imply that NVDA will not natively read Excel documents just by
arrowing from one cell to another?
---
Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven
Ministries
-----
Original Message -----
Sent:
Wednesday, March 22, 2017 6:54 PM
Subject: Re:
[nvda] Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and a few extremely elementary
questions
Hello
Christopher,
I would always keep your basic documents in Excel. When you
are required to read them, you first select the rows and columns you want to
read, open a separate word file, and in the word file, hit alt+control+ v,
and arrow down until you see paste as unformatted
text.
Another way is to simply copy the rows and columns into a text
file.
You can rapidly traverse the text representation in these
files.
Please note that it is especially helpful to have a Braille
printer, and just read the braille produced from these text formatted
files.
Again, keep your original files in
Excel.
Regards
Louis Maher
Phone: 713-444-7838
E-mail: ljmaher@...
Guys,
I just have taken on a new position at
my church. One of the things which will be required of me on a very regular
basis is to read spreadsheet documents which will be created in
Excel.
I should make it very clear that these
files will not have anything in them of numerical value, nor have any
formulas. The only reason they are using Excel is to keep things neetly
organized in both rows and columns, and to make sure that things accessibly
line up correctly.
So, being that we are not using Excel
for the mathematical side of it, but more just for very basic organization,
I’m curious how well NVDA will work with Excel, seeing that I honestly
haven’t really used it heavily up until now. It seems to work very very well
with JAWS, but I’ve not had the chance to try it with NVDA. If this doesn’t
work, which I’m sure it probably will, then I’m going to have to work with
them on another sollution, which isn’t a problem, I just need to know either
way.
As for my few questions, provided that
the lady who does the documents makes the first row of columns specifically
be headers, like, name, location assighment, etc, then is there a way, say,
I then went to the next row down and saw Chris Gilland, could I somehow
query the header of that column and see that I’m in the, “Name”
column?
Secondly, is there a way to have excel
report the current cell coordinants without the need for me to focus on
another cell, then move back to the one I initially was in thereby forcing
NVDA to speak them? And finally, can I have NVDA read not just one cell at a
time, but instead read me the entire row?
Thanks.
Chris.
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You might not take things so personally or be more
temperate in your responses. I wondered why you were discussing the
question since as I recall, you use NVDA. I thought you just might not
have gotten around to trying it yet but even so, I wondered and I thought it
perhaps a bit odd that you hadn't tried it. We aren't mind readers.
Not every slight comment that may be construed as a mild criticism or a bit of
slightly critical humor is worth a dramatic explosion. A comment, perhaps
or a mild expression of annoyance perhaps, but this?
Gene
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 10:23 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and a few
extremely elementary questions
Well, excuse me Sir, but your comment is quite
rude. Have you ever thought just maybe that I'd only been home from work a
matter of 10 to 15 minutes when I wrote that message? Secondly, have you ever
thought that maybe... just, maybe... at that time, I didn't have access to a
computer that had NVDA installed on it, and that that's why I didn't try? Give
this guy a break for crying out loud!
I don't know what you find so amusing, in your
words, about my previous message, but I'll tell you one thing: your comment
definitely wasn't so, with all due respect.
---
Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven
Ministries
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 7:06
PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Incredibly basic
Excel functionality, and a few extremely elementary questions
firstly, NVDA works quite well with Excel. For you to say you
have not
had the chance to try Excel with NVDA amuses and puzzles me,
because
NVDA is free.
On 3/22/17, Louis Maher <ljmaher@...> wrote:
>
Hello Christopher,
>
>
>
> I would always keep your
basic documents in Excel. When you are required to
> read them,
you first select the rows and columns you want to read, open a
>
separate word file, and in the word file, hit alt+control+ v, and arrow
down
> until you see paste as unformatted
text.
>
>
>
> Another way is to simply copy the rows
and columns into a text file.
>
>
>
> You can rapidly
traverse the text representation in these
files.
>
>
>
> Please note that it is especially
helpful to have a Braille printer, and
> just read the braille produced
from these text formatted files.
>
>
>
> Again, keep
your original files in Excel.
>
>
>
>
>
>
Regards
>
> Louis Maher
>
> Phone:
713-444-7838
>
> E-mail: ljmaher@...
>
>
>
>
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
> Christopher-Mark
Gilland
> Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 5:18 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject:
[nvda] Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and a few extremely
>
elementary questions
> Importance: High
>
>
>
>
Guys,
>
>
>
> I just have taken on a new position at
my church. One of the things which
> will be required of me on a very
regular basis is to read spreadsheet
> documents which will be created
in Excel.
>
>
>
> I should make it very clear that
these files will not have anything in them
> of numerical value, nor
have any formulas. The only reason they are using
> Excel is to keep
things neetly organized in both rows and columns, and to
> make sure
that things accessibly line up correctly.
>
>
>
> So,
being that we are not using Excel for the mathematical side of it, but
>
more just for very basic organization, I’m curious how well NVDA will
work
> with Excel, seeing that I honestly haven’t really used it heavily
up until
> now. It seems to work very very well with JAWS, but I’ve not
had the chance
> to try it with NVDA. If this doesn’t work, which I’m
sure it probably will,
> then I’m going to have to work with them on
another sollution, which isn’t a
> problem, I just need to know either
way.
>
>
>
> As for my few questions, provided that
the lady who does the documents makes
> the first row of columns
specifically be headers, like, name, location
> assighment, etc, then is
there a way, say, I then went to the next row down
> and saw Chris
Gilland, could I somehow query the header of that column and
> see that
I’m in the, “Name” column?
>
>
>
> Secondly, is there
a way to have excel report the current cell coordinants
> without the
need for me to focus on another cell, then move back to the one
> I
initially was in thereby forcing NVDA to speak them? And finally, can
I
> have NVDA read not just one cell at a time, but instead read me the
entire
> row?
>
>
>
>
Thanks.
>
>
>
>
Chris.
>
>
>
>
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Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
Never mind. I got the info I needed. Don't get me
wrong here. I get the point you're trying to make, but the way you phrased
things honestly was quite short in tone, whether intended or not.
Have a good day, and again, thanks, Jacques, for
being... civil regarding my question.
---
Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven
Ministries
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 12:22
AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Incredibly basic
Excel functionality, and a few extremely elementary questions
Hi.
Just test it and see how it works. Different persons
have different results.
On 3/22/17, Jacques <lists4js@...> wrote:
>
1. Column and row headers can be set on the column or row containing
the
> headers and will be echoed by NVDA while navigating through cells.
The NVDA
> user guide covers this in detail in the section pertaining to
Excel.
> 2. As for cell co-ordinates, this can be set to speak while
navigating by
> cells. This setting is found under document settings,
NVDA+control+d and the
> changes made here can be saved globally or
under an Excel specific profile.
> See NVDA user guide for details.
Alternatively cell co-ordinates can be
> queried on the fly with
NVDA+numpad-delete, which will speak the name of the
> sheet and the
cell address which has focus. I believe the latter keystroke
> was added
in NVDA 2017.1.
> 3. I can’t think off-hand how one would read the
entire row in Excel, but
> that could be because I use Excel for its
purpose and not as a database or
> word
processor.
>
>
>
>
Jacques
>
>
>
> <https://certification.nvaccess.org/>
Visit NVDA certification page here
>
> <https://www.stascom.co.za/> Open my
home page |
> <mailto:webmaster@...>
contact webmaster |
> <https://www.twitter.com/stassenj>
follow on Twitter
>
>
>
>
>
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
> Christopher-Mark
Gilland
> Sent: Thursday, 23 March 2017 05:19
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re:
[nvda] Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and a few
> extremely
elementary questions
>
>
>
> So, I'm confused
thoroughly.
>
>
>
> Are you trying to imply that NVDA
will not natively read Excel documents
> just by arrowing from one cell
to another?
>
> ---
> Christopher Gilland
> Co-founder
of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
>
>
>
> http://www.gshministry.org
> (980)
500-9575
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From:
Louis Maher <mailto:ljmaher@...>
>
>
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>
>
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 6:54 PM
>
> Subject: Re: [nvda]
Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and a few
> extremely elementary
questions
>
>
>
> Hello
Christopher,
>
>
>
> I would always keep your basic
documents in Excel. When you are required to
> read them, you
first select the rows and columns you want to read, open a
> separate
word file, and in the word file, hit alt+control+ v, and arrow down
>
until you see paste as unformatted text.
>
>
>
>
Another way is to simply copy the rows and columns into a text
file.
>
>
>
> You can rapidly traverse the text
representation in these files.
>
>
>
> Please note
that it is especially helpful to have a Braille printer, and
> just read
the braille produced from these text formatted
files.
>
>
>
> Again, keep your original files in
Excel.
>
>
>
>
>
> Regards
>
>
Louis Maher
>
> Phone: 713-444-7838
>
> E-mail:
<mailto:ljmaher@...> ljmaher@...
>
>
>
>
>
>
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
>
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 5:18 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>
Subject: [nvda] Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and a few
extremely
> elementary questions
> Importance:
High
>
>
>
> Guys,
>
>
>
> I
just have taken on a new position at my church. One of the things
which
> will be required of me on a very regular basis is to read
spreadsheet
> documents which will be created in
Excel.
>
>
>
> I should make it very clear that these
files will not have anything in them
> of numerical value, nor have any
formulas. The only reason they are using
> Excel is to keep things
neetly organized in both rows and columns, and to
> make sure that
things accessibly line up correctly.
>
>
>
> So, being
that we are not using Excel for the mathematical side of it, but
> more
just for very basic organization, I’m curious how well NVDA will work
>
with Excel, seeing that I honestly haven’t really used it heavily up
until
> now. It seems to work very very well with JAWS, but I’ve not had
the chance
> to try it with NVDA. If this doesn’t work, which I’m sure
it probably will,
> then I’m going to have to work with them on another
sollution, which isn’t a
> problem, I just need to know either
way.
>
>
>
> As for my few questions, provided that
the lady who does the documents makes
> the first row of columns
specifically be headers, like, name, location
> assighment, etc, then is
there a way, say, I then went to the next row down
> and saw Chris
Gilland, could I somehow query the header of that column and
> see that
I’m in the, “Name” column?
>
>
>
> Secondly, is there
a way to have excel report the current cell coordinants
> without the
need for me to focus on another cell, then move back to the one
> I
initially was in thereby forcing NVDA to speak them? And finally, can
I
> have NVDA read not just one cell at a time, but instead read me the
entire
> row?
>
>
>
>
Thanks.
>
>
>
>
Chris.
>
>
>
>
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 11:15 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and a few
extremely elementary questions
I'm sorry you feel that way, but with all due
respect, I didn't ask if Excel was a good sollution. I asked if Excel,
in general, worked with NVDA. Just answer the question.
---
Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven
Ministries
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 11:41
PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Incredibly basic
Excel functionality, and a few extremely elementary questions
As you already know, excel is not a word processor. It always irks me
when folks use excel for document management. It's like nobody knows
it's a spreadsheet program, and millions of other tools exist to handle
documents, including formatting to one's liking. There's zero reasons to
use excel for document management, and it's just a sad state of affairs that
folks still do this. If it were me, I'd be campaigning strongly for a
change in venue, since typically, it's generally best to use a program for
it's intended purpose instead of shoehorning it into a role it was never meant
to fill, but that's just my take on things, feel free to ignore as
desired.
Just saying, excel is a horrible tool to use, just because formatting is a
premium.
On 3/22/2017 11:17 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland
wrote:
That's way more work than necessary! And, with the platform we're
using, we *can't* use Word, nor do text.
The files absolutely *MUST!* be in Excel format.
---
Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven
Ministries
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 6:33 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and
a few extremely elementary questions
You could copy and paste the content into a Word
doc. Once it’s in a word doc, you can convert the table to text
which would simplify everything greatly, but still keep it lined
up.
I don’t have any personal experience with NVDA
and Excel, but someone who works for me who is blind hates it. But
all the things he has complained about (drop down boxes, comments, totals
changing when content changes etc.) you probably wouldn’t be
using
Sheri
Guys,
I just have taken on a new position at my church. One
of the things which will be required of me on a very regular basis is to
read spreadsheet documents which will be created in Excel.
I should make it very clear that these files will not
have anything in them of numerical value, nor have any formulas. The only
reason they are using Excel is to keep things neetly organized in both
rows and columns, and to make sure that things accessibly line up
correctly.
So, being that we are not using Excel for the
mathematical side of it, but more just for very basic organization, I’m
curious how well NVDA will work with Excel, seeing that I honestly haven’t
really used it heavily up until now. It seems to work very very well with
JAWS, but I’ve not had the chance to try it with NVDA. If this doesn’t
work, which I’m sure it probably will, then I’m going to have to work with
them on another sollution, which isn’t a problem, I just need to know
either way.
As for my few questions, provided that the lady who
does the documents makes the first row of columns specifically be headers,
like, name, location assighment, etc, then is there a way, say, I then
went to the next row down and saw Chris Gilland, could I somehow query the
header of that column and see that I’m in the, “Name” column?
Secondly, is there a way to have excel report the
current cell coordinants without the need for me to focus on another cell,
then move back to the one I initially was in thereby forcing NVDA to speak
them? And finally, can I have NVDA read not just one cell at a time, but
instead read me the entire row?
Thanks.
Chris.
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Hi, sorry I’m late in this thread. I thought Excel was only used as a spread sheet not for documents. Yes, excel can be used with NVDA. I’ve seen it but only as a spread sheet.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Travis Siegel
Sent: March-22-17 8:42 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and a few extremely elementary questions As you already know, excel is not a word processor. It always irks me when folks use excel for document management. It's like nobody knows it's a spreadsheet program, and millions of other tools exist to handle documents, including formatting to one's liking. There's zero reasons to use excel for document management, and it's just a sad state of affairs that folks still do this. If it were me, I'd be campaigning strongly for a change in venue, since typically, it's generally best to use a program for it's intended purpose instead of shoehorning it into a role it was never meant to fill, but that's just my take on things, feel free to ignore as desired. Just saying, excel is a horrible tool to use, just because formatting is a premium. On 3/22/2017 11:17 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: That's way more work than necessary! And, with the platform we're using, we *can't* use Word, nor do text. The files absolutely *MUST!* be in Excel format. ---
Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 6:33 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and a few extremely elementary questions You could copy and paste the content into a Word doc. Once it’s in a word doc, you can convert the table to text which would simplify everything greatly, but still keep it lined up. I don’t have any personal experience with NVDA and Excel, but someone who works for me who is blind hates it. But all the things he has complained about (drop down boxes, comments, totals changing when content changes etc.) you probably wouldn’t be using Sheri Guys, I just have taken on a new position at my church. One of the things which will be required of me on a very regular basis is to read spreadsheet documents which will be created in Excel. I should make it very clear that these files will not have anything in them of numerical value, nor have any formulas. The only reason they are using Excel is to keep things neetly organized in both rows and columns, and to make sure that things accessibly line up correctly. So, being that we are not using Excel for the mathematical side of it, but more just for very basic organization, I’m curious how well NVDA will work with Excel, seeing that I honestly haven’t really used it heavily up until now. It seems to work very very well with JAWS, but I’ve not had the chance to try it with NVDA. If this doesn’t work, which I’m sure it probably will, then I’m going to have to work with them on another sollution, which isn’t a problem, I just need to know either way. As for my few questions, provided that the lady who does the documents makes the first row of columns specifically be headers, like, name, location assighment, etc, then is there a way, say, I then went to the next row down and saw Chris Gilland, could I somehow query the header of that column and see that I’m in the, “Name” column? Secondly, is there a way to have excel report the current cell coordinants without the need for me to focus on another cell, then move back to the one I initially was in thereby forcing NVDA to speak them? And finally, can I have NVDA read not just one cell at a time, but instead read me the entire row? Thanks. Chris.
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Hi!
If the intent is to keep the information organized in a table, then Excel is a good choice, not just for numerical data but for any kind of data that has tabular dimensions, headers, columns, you get my meaning. I have had some good results working with Excel and NVDA. In particular, arrowing to a cell will read its contents and will also read headers if so configured, as was previously mentioned here. I believe even browse mode is implemented for Excel but my memory may be failing me here. Kind regards, Felix Arlene < nedster66@...> schrieb am Do., 23. März 2017 um 05:48 Uhr:
Hi, sorry I’m late in this thread. I thought Excel was only used as a spread sheet not for documents. Yes, excel can be used with NVDA. I’ve seen it but only as a spread sheet.
Subject: Re: [nvda] Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and a few extremely elementary questions
As you already know, excel is not a word processor. It always irks me when folks use excel for document management. It's like nobody knows it's a spreadsheet program, and millions of other tools exist to handle documents, including formatting to one's liking. There's zero reasons to use excel for document management, and it's just a sad state of affairs that folks still do this. If it were me, I'd be campaigning strongly for a change in venue, since typically, it's generally best to use a program for it's intended purpose instead of shoehorning it into a role it was never meant to fill, but that's just my take on things, feel free to ignore as desired. Just saying, excel is a horrible tool to use, just because formatting is a premium. On 3/22/2017 11:17 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: That's way more work than necessary! And, with the platform we're using, we *can't* use Word, nor do text. The files absolutely *MUST!* be in Excel format. ---
Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 6:33 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and a few extremely elementary questions You could copy and paste the content into a Word doc. Once it’s in a word doc, you can convert the table to text which would simplify everything greatly, but still keep it lined up. I don’t have any personal experience with NVDA and Excel, but someone who works for me who is blind hates it. But all the things he has complained about (drop down boxes, comments, totals changing when content changes etc.) you probably wouldn’t be using Sheri Guys, I just have taken on a new position at my church. One of the things which will be required of me on a very regular basis is to read spreadsheet documents which will be created in Excel. I should make it very clear that these files will not have anything in them of numerical value, nor have any formulas. The only reason they are using Excel is to keep things neetly organized in both rows and columns, and to make sure that things accessibly line up correctly. So, being that we are not using Excel for the mathematical side of it, but more just for very basic organization, I’m curious how well NVDA will work with Excel, seeing that I honestly haven’t really used it heavily up until now. It seems to work very very well with JAWS, but I’ve not had the chance to try it with NVDA. If this doesn’t work, which I’m sure it probably will, then I’m going to have to work with them on another sollution, which isn’t a problem, I just need to know either way. As for my few questions, provided that the lady who does the documents makes the first row of columns specifically be headers, like, name, location assighment, etc, then is there a way, say, I then went to the next row down and saw Chris Gilland, could I somehow query the header of that column and see that I’m in the, “Name” column? Secondly, is there a way to have excel report the current cell coordinants without the need for me to focus on another cell, then move back to the one I initially was in thereby forcing NVDA to speak them? And finally, can I have NVDA read not just one cell at a time, but instead read me the entire row? Thanks. Chris.
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Felix G.
Sent: Thursday, 23 March 2017 09:55
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and a few extremely elementary questions If the intent is to keep the information organized in a table, then Excel is a good choice, not just for numerical data but for any kind of data that has tabular dimensions, headers, columns, you get my meaning. I have had some good results working with Excel and NVDA. In particular, arrowing to a cell will read its contents and will also read headers if so configured, as was previously mentioned here. I believe even browse mode is implemented for Excel but my memory may be failing me here. Kind regards, Felix Arlene <nedster66@...> schrieb am Do., 23. März 2017 um 05:48 Uhr: Hi, sorry I’m late in this thread. I thought Excel was only used as a spread sheet not for documents. Yes, excel can be used with NVDA. I’ve seen it but only as a spread sheet.
Subject: Re: [nvda] Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and a few extremely elementary questions
As you already know, excel is not a word processor. It always irks me when folks use excel for document management. It's like nobody knows it's a spreadsheet program, and millions of other tools exist to handle documents, including formatting to one's liking. There's zero reasons to use excel for document management, and it's just a sad state of affairs that folks still do this. If it were me, I'd be campaigning strongly for a change in venue, since typically, it's generally best to use a program for it's intended purpose instead of shoehorning it into a role it was never meant to fill, but that's just my take on things, feel free to ignore as desired. Just saying, excel is a horrible tool to use, just because formatting is a premium. On 3/22/2017 11:17 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: That's way more work than necessary! And, with the platform we're using, we *can't* use Word, nor do text. The files absolutely *MUST!* be in Excel format. ---
Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 6:33 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and a few extremely elementary questions You could copy and paste the content into a Word doc. Once it’s in a word doc, you can convert the table to text which would simplify everything greatly, but still keep it lined up. I don’t have any personal experience with NVDA and Excel, but someone who works for me who is blind hates it. But all the things he has complained about (drop down boxes, comments, totals changing when content changes etc.) you probably wouldn’t be using Sheri Guys, I just have taken on a new position at my church. One of the things which will be required of me on a very regular basis is to read spreadsheet documents which will be created in Excel. I should make it very clear that these files will not have anything in them of numerical value, nor have any formulas. The only reason they are using Excel is to keep things neetly organized in both rows and columns, and to make sure that things accessibly line up correctly. So, being that we are not using Excel for the mathematical side of it, but more just for very basic organization, I’m curious how well NVDA will work with Excel, seeing that I honestly haven’t really used it heavily up until now. It seems to work very very well with JAWS, but I’ve not had the chance to try it with NVDA. If this doesn’t work, which I’m sure it probably will, then I’m going to have to work with them on another sollution, which isn’t a problem, I just need to know either way. As for my few questions, provided that the lady who does the documents makes the first row of columns specifically be headers, like, name, location assighment, etc, then is there a way, say, I then went to the next row down and saw Chris Gilland, could I somehow query the header of that column and see that I’m in the, “Name” column? Secondly, is there a way to have excel report the current cell coordinants without the need for me to focus on another cell, then move back to the one I initially was in thereby forcing NVDA to speak them? And finally, can I have NVDA read not just one cell at a time, but instead read me the entire row? Thanks. Chris.
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My take on this discussion is: If you want to use Excel as a database, I fully agree because it is a wonderful tool, much better than Access. For wordprocessing, Word would be the better choice. The bottom line however, I feel that everybody are entitled to use the application of their choice. Regards Christo Vorster (Worcester, South Africa)
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Travis Siegel
Sent: Thursday, 23 March 2017 5:42 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and a few extremely elementary questions As you already know, excel is not a word processor. It always irks me when folks use excel for document management. It's like nobody knows it's a spreadsheet program, and millions of other tools exist to handle documents, including formatting to one's liking. There's zero reasons to use excel for document management, and it's just a sad state of affairs that folks still do this. If it were me, I'd be campaigning strongly for a change in venue, since typically, it's generally best to use a program for it's intended purpose instead of shoehorning it into a role it was never meant to fill, but that's just my take on things, feel free to ignore as desired. Just saying, excel is a horrible tool to use, just because formatting is a premium. On 3/22/2017 11:17 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: That's way more work than necessary! And, with the platform we're using, we *can't* use Word, nor do text. The files absolutely *MUST!* be in Excel format. ---
Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 6:33 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and a few extremely elementary questions You could copy and paste the content into a Word doc. Once it’s in a word doc, you can convert the table to text which would simplify everything greatly, but still keep it lined up. I don’t have any personal experience with NVDA and Excel, but someone who works for me who is blind hates it. But all the things he has complained about (drop down boxes, comments, totals changing when content changes etc.) you probably wouldn’t be using Sheri Guys, I just have taken on a new position at my church. One of the things which will be required of me on a very regular basis is to read spreadsheet documents which will be created in Excel. I should make it very clear that these files will not have anything in them of numerical value, nor have any formulas. The only reason they are using Excel is to keep things neetly organized in both rows and columns, and to make sure that things accessibly line up correctly. So, being that we are not using Excel for the mathematical side of it, but more just for very basic organization, I’m curious how well NVDA will work with Excel, seeing that I honestly haven’t really used it heavily up until now. It seems to work very very well with JAWS, but I’ve not had the chance to try it with NVDA. If this doesn’t work, which I’m sure it probably will, then I’m going to have to work with them on another sollution, which isn’t a problem, I just need to know either way. As for my few questions, provided that the lady who does the documents makes the first row of columns specifically be headers, like, name, location assighment, etc, then is there a way, say, I then went to the next row down and saw Chris Gilland, could I somehow query the header of that column and see that I’m in the, “Name” column? Secondly, is there a way to have excel report the current cell coordinants without the need for me to focus on another cell, then move back to the one I initially was in thereby forcing NVDA to speak them? And finally, can I have NVDA read not just one cell at a time, but instead read me the entire row? Thanks. Chris.
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Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
I'm not here, Gene to argue this.
I stated how I felt, and that's that, and my
opinion on the matter isn't going to change.
If you have any further problems with what I said,
or me, then you take it up with me off list.
Enough said. I'm going back to NVDA discussion. If
you wanna join me, great, if not, that's kind of not my problem. The decision's
your's at this point.
---
Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven
Ministries
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 12:28
AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Incredibly basic
Excel functionality, and a few extremely elementary questions
You might not take things so personally or be
more temperate in your responses. I wondered why you were discussing the
question since as I recall, you use NVDA. I thought you just might not
have gotten around to trying it yet but even so, I wondered and I thought it
perhaps a bit odd that you hadn't tried it. We aren't mind
readers. Not every slight comment that may be construed as a mild
criticism or a bit of slightly critical humor is worth a dramatic
explosion. A comment, perhaps or a mild expression of annoyance perhaps,
but this?
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 10:23 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and a
few extremely elementary questions
Well, excuse me Sir, but your comment is quite
rude. Have you ever thought just maybe that I'd only been home from work a
matter of 10 to 15 minutes when I wrote that message? Secondly, have you ever
thought that maybe... just, maybe... at that time, I didn't have access to a
computer that had NVDA installed on it, and that that's why I didn't try? Give
this guy a break for crying out loud!
I don't know what you find so amusing, in your
words, about my previous message, but I'll tell you one thing: your
comment definitely wasn't so, with all due respect.
---
Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven
Ministries
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 7:06
PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Incredibly basic
Excel functionality, and a few extremely elementary questions
firstly, NVDA works quite well with Excel. For you to say you
have not
had the chance to try Excel with NVDA amuses and puzzles me,
because
NVDA is free.
On 3/22/17, Louis Maher <ljmaher@...> wrote:
>
Hello Christopher,
>
>
>
> I would always keep your
basic documents in Excel. When you are required to
> read them,
you first select the rows and columns you want to read, open a
>
separate word file, and in the word file, hit alt+control+ v, and arrow
down
> until you see paste as unformatted
text.
>
>
>
> Another way is to simply copy the rows
and columns into a text file.
>
>
>
> You can
rapidly traverse the text representation in these
files.
>
>
>
> Please note that it is especially
helpful to have a Braille printer, and
> just read the braille
produced from these text formatted files.
>
>
>
>
Again, keep your original files in
Excel.
>
>
>
>
>
>
Regards
>
> Louis Maher
>
> Phone:
713-444-7838
>
> E-mail: ljmaher@...
>
>
>
>
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
> Christopher-Mark
Gilland
> Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 5:18 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject:
[nvda] Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and a few extremely
>
elementary questions
> Importance:
High
>
>
>
> Guys,
>
>
>
> I
just have taken on a new position at my church. One of the things
which
> will be required of me on a very regular basis is to read
spreadsheet
> documents which will be created in
Excel.
>
>
>
> I should make it very clear that
these files will not have anything in them
> of numerical value, nor
have any formulas. The only reason they are using
> Excel is to keep
things neetly organized in both rows and columns, and to
> make sure
that things accessibly line up correctly.
>
>
>
>
So, being that we are not using Excel for the mathematical side of it,
but
> more just for very basic organization, I’m curious how well NVDA
will work
> with Excel, seeing that I honestly haven’t really used it
heavily up until
> now. It seems to work very very well with JAWS, but
I’ve not had the chance
> to try it with NVDA. If this doesn’t work,
which I’m sure it probably will,
> then I’m going to have to work with
them on another sollution, which isn’t a
> problem, I just need to
know either way.
>
>
>
> As for my few questions,
provided that the lady who does the documents makes
> the first row of
columns specifically be headers, like, name, location
> assighment,
etc, then is there a way, say, I then went to the next row down
> and
saw Chris Gilland, could I somehow query the header of that column
and
> see that I’m in the, “Name”
column?
>
>
>
> Secondly, is there a way to have
excel report the current cell coordinants
> without the need for me to
focus on another cell, then move back to the one
> I initially was in
thereby forcing NVDA to speak them? And finally, can I
> have NVDA
read not just one cell at a time, but instead read me the entire
>
row?
>
>
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
>
Chris.
>
>
>
>
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