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Andrea Sherry
Can anyone suggest a very basic email program for use with NVDA. We are working with some NVDA users who are elderly or who have little computer skill. Any suggestions much appreciated. Cheers Andrea |
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Well thunderbird is fine, turn off lightning which you don't need and you can just use it.
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Actually old eudora7 is better but as you have to validate ssl certs every few days its no good unless you run it without ssl I guess. On 11/04/2017 9:44 p.m., Andrea Sherry wrote:
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Gene
It doesn't matter if it's a basic program or
not. What matters is how you teach. Just ignore most functions and
teach a small number of keyboard commands to do things. Enter opens
messages. Escape closes messages. Control replies to messages.
I won't list the other two or three commands necessary but Windows Live Mail
will serve or Thunderbird, though I prefer Windows Live Mail. It has a
very useful command Thunderbird doesn't, control I, to return to the inbox
whatever folder you are working in. Windows live Mail is set to read
messages as plain text by default and I recommend leaving that setting as it
is. Have the viewpane opened. You can't read mail by opening a
message if you read mail as plain text. Have the people move down the
message list and, when they get to a message they want to read, simply tab to
get into the viewpane and read it. Then, have them tab twice, once to move
to the folders treeview and then once again to move back to the message
list. Delete the message, if desired and you will automaticaly be on the
next message. Tab once to get to the view pane if you want to read the
message, etc.
If you do have a message you want to read as HTML
for some reason, press enter to open the message, then issue the command alt
shift h. The currently opened message will be read in
Regardless of which program you use, you won't get
more simple than that. There is no reason to teach all sorts of features
and use a POP account.
Gene ----- Original Message -----
Can anyone suggest a very basic email program for use with NVDA. We are working with some NVDA users who are elderly or who have little computer skill. Any suggestions much appreciated. Cheers Andrea |
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Ron Canazzi
Thunderbird works quite well with NVDA.
On 4/11/2017 5:44 AM, Andrea Sherry
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Gerardo Corripio
Oh yes Thunderbird works great with NVDA! I'm using and have been
using Thunderbird as my EMail client for the past almost 4 years! El 11/04/2017 a las 09:15 a.m., Ron
Canazzi escribió:
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I'm with everyone so far, but in different senses. Thunderbird is indeed an excellent e-mail client overall and works beautifully with NVDA and other screen readers. One can teach basic use and ignore all the bells and whistles not needed. That being said, the less sophisticated user can and often does get themselves into trouble by fat-fingering something and triggering some function that they do not know about, do not wish to trigger, and have no idea how to exit. That is the trouble with using a really full-featured e-mail client like Thunderbird. I like Windows Live Mail 2012, and even though it's no longer officially supported that is mostly because Microsoft decided to change their proprietary access methods and did not wish to continue updating Windows Live Mail. It still serves perfectly well as a POP or IMAP e-mail client. If you want to download a copy of the full offline installer for Microsoft Essentials, of which Windows Live Mail is a part, it's on my Google Drive in 7-Zip format here. I snagged a copy of the offline installer a couple of weeks before Microsoft withdrew active support. I have recently learned of another fairly simple email client, eM Client, that looks quite good but I have not had a chance yet to evaluate it from an accessibility standpoint. The interface seems to be simpler than Thunderbird's is, and that can be critical. If you do evaluate this client for accessibility please report back. The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment. ~ Dorothy Nevill |
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Gene
A user can issue a command in all sorts of programs
that may get them into trouble. The answer is not to look for programs
that are so simple that this is unlikely, regardless of what keys are mistakenly
pressed. the answer is to be available to the user or to tell the user how
to get help such as on an e-mail list.
Gene ----- Original Message -----
I'm with everyone so far, but in different senses. Thunderbird is indeed an excellent e-mail client overall and works beautifully with NVDA and other screen readers. One can teach basic use and ignore all the bells and whistles not needed. That being said, the less sophisticated user can and often does get themselves into trouble by fat-fingering something and triggering some function that they do not know about, do not wish to trigger, and have no idea how to exit. That is the trouble with using a really full-featured e-mail client like Thunderbird. I like Windows Live Mail 2012, and even though it's no longer officially supported that is mostly because Microsoft decided to change their proprietary access methods and did not wish to continue updating Windows Live Mail. It still serves perfectly well as a POP or IMAP e-mail client. If you want to download a copy of the full offline installer for Microsoft Essentials, of which Windows Live Mail is a part, it's on my Google Drive in 7-Zip format here. I snagged a copy of the offline installer a couple of weeks before Microsoft withdrew active support. I have recently learned of another fairly simple email client, eM Client, that looks quite
good but I have not had a chance yet to evaluate it from an accessibility
standpoint. The interface seems to be simpler than Thunderbird's is, and
that can be critical. If you do evaluate this client for accessibility
please report back. The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment. ~ Dorothy Nevill
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Gene, We'll just have to agree to disagree. I (or anyone) cannot be constantly available nor, if they're stuck in their e-mail program, can they get help on an e-mail list. One tailors what one offers to a given client based on their perceived skill set, history with working with similar clients, and what one knows about the likelihood of that client being able to figure things out for themselves or effectively reach out for help. Very often that means picking programs based on the simplest user interface and the least number of features that gets the job done. I've been there, done that, and got the T-shirt many times and for many years now. The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment. ~ Dorothy Nevill |
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Gene
We can agree to disagree but I strongly disagree
for reasons I'll explain.
I wouldn't want to deprive people of using a
program such as Winamp. I would tell them not to do certain things such as
not to use any commands except what I taught if the user is that limited in
knowledge. In an e-mail program, what can you do? You can open the
address book, get into the menus or ribbons, start to forward something or end
up in the wrong folder. The likelihood of changing settings in any
permanent way is very low. Telling the user to do something like press
escape or close and reopen the program or in the case of Windows Live mail, to
use control I if they get lost and are in the wrong folder would cover problems
in general. There are no perfect solutions. But limiting users in
this way means that they won't use many programs that are actually better to use
for one reason or another.
Gene ----- Original Message -----
Gene, We'll just have to agree to disagree. I (or anyone) cannot be constantly available nor, if they're stuck in their e-mail program, can they get help on an e-mail list. One tailors what one offers to a given client based on their perceived skill set, history with working with similar clients, and what one knows about the likelihood of that client being able to figure things out for themselves or effectively reach out for help. Very often that means picking programs based on
the simplest user interface and the least number of features that gets the job
done. I've been there, done that, and got the T-shirt many times and for
many years now. The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment. ~ Dorothy Nevill
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Gene, You are talking in abstractions, and in the abstract I agree with you 100%. I am talking about repeated actualities, and I know that handing a user far more than they can handle, and when they are a "panic button presser," is a recipe for ongoing disasters. There are no perfect solutions. I will stand by what my years of direct tutoring experience have taught me about trying to fit the tool to the person using it. In the specific situation under discussion here, I'd aim for the simplest e-mail client I could find. If the client were one of my grad students who needs access to calendar, filtering capability, and myriad other features and needs to know how to use them I'd go an entirely different way. There is no one-size fits all and judgment about what's needed and what can be handled is a part of the role of a teacher, technical or otherwise. The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment. ~ Dorothy Nevill |
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Rosemarie Chavarria
I'm using thunderbird right now and it does work great with NVDA.
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john s
pandora mail is a bit like Eudora and handles certificates and odd character sets better than Eudora. I haven't tried it with nvda but it worked well with Window Eyes. It costs $14.
At 05:53 AM 4/11/2017, you wrote: Well thunderbird is fine, turn off lightning which you don't need and you can just use it.John |
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Rosemarie Chavarria
Hi, Andrea,
Thunderbird works well with Rosemarie On 4/11/2017 2:44 AM, Andrea Sherry
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Peter Chin
I am using mainly Windows Live Mail and for the most part it works well.
However, I have not found a way to enable the spellcheck facility.
Suggestions would be appreciated.
I'm with everyone so far, but in different senses. Thunderbird is indeed an excellent e-mail client overall and works beautifully with NVDA and other screen readers. One can teach basic use and ignore all the bells and whistles not needed. That being said, the less sophisticated user can and often does get themselves into trouble by fat-fingering something and triggering some function that they do not know about, do not wish to trigger, and have no idea how to exit. That is the trouble with using a really full-featured e-mail client like Thunderbird. I like Windows Live Mail 2012, and even though it's no longer officially supported that is mostly because Microsoft decided to change their proprietary access methods and did not wish to continue updating Windows Live Mail. It still serves perfectly well as a POP or IMAP e-mail client. If you want to download a copy of the full offline installer for Microsoft Essentials, of which Windows Live Mail is a part, it's on my Google Drive in 7-Zip format here. I snagged a copy of the offline installer a couple of weeks before Microsoft withdrew active support. I have recently learned of another fairly simple email client, eM Client, that looks quite
good but I have not had a chance yet to evaluate it from an accessibility
standpoint. The interface seems to be simpler than Thunderbird's is, and
that can be critical. If you do evaluate this client for
accessibility please report back. The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment. ~ Dorothy Nevill
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Gene
If you mean to run the spellchecker, the short cut
command is f7. That is a very common command to run the spell checker in
programs that have them.
Gene ------- Original Message -----
I am using mainly Windows Live Mail and for the most part it works well.
However, I have not found a way to enable the spellcheck facility.
Suggestions would be appreciated.
I'm with everyone so far, but in different senses. Thunderbird is indeed an excellent e-mail client overall and works beautifully with NVDA and other screen readers. One can teach basic use and ignore all the bells and whistles not needed. That being said, the less sophisticated user can and often does get themselves into trouble by fat-fingering something and triggering some function that they do not know about, do not wish to trigger, and have no idea how to exit. That is the trouble with using a really full-featured e-mail client like Thunderbird. I like Windows Live Mail 2012, and even though it's no longer officially supported that is mostly because Microsoft decided to change their proprietary access methods and did not wish to continue updating Windows Live Mail. It still serves perfectly well as a POP or IMAP e-mail client. If you want to download a copy of the full offline installer for Microsoft Essentials, of which Windows Live Mail is a part, it's on my Google Drive in 7-Zip format here. I snagged a copy of the offline installer a couple of weeks before Microsoft withdrew active support. I have recently learned of another fairly simple email client, eM Client, that looks quite
good but I have not had a chance yet to evaluate it from an accessibility
standpoint. The interface seems to be simpler than Thunderbird's is, and
that can be critical. If you do evaluate this client for
accessibility please report back. The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment. ~ Dorothy Nevill
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Ron Canazzi
Hi Peter,
Keep in mind that if you do not have a Microsoft Office product installed then the spell checker will not work in Windows Live Mail. You can get a number of free spell checkers that will work with Windows Live Mail. I haven't needed one for a while, but someone on the list will probably recommend one or you can Google Spell Checker for Windows Live Mail and find one.
On 4/13/2017 12:03 AM, Gene wrote:
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Brian's Mail list account
If you do not have any microsoft office product installed you have no spell hecker. Its another reason why I'm still using Outlook express.
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Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Chin" <peter.chinpk@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2017 8:43 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] Email Client I am using mainly Windows Live Mail and for the most part it works well. However, I have not found a way to enable the spellcheck facility. Suggestions would be appreciated. From: Brian Vogel Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2017 11:14 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Email Client I'm with everyone so far, but in different senses. Thunderbird is indeed an excellent e-mail client overall and works beautifully with NVDA and other screen readers. One can teach basic use and ignore all the bells and whistles not needed. That being said, the less sophisticated user can and often does get themselves into trouble by fat-fingering something and triggering some function that they do not know about, do not wish to trigger, and have no idea how to exit. That is the trouble with using a really full-featured e-mail client like Thunderbird. I like Windows Live Mail 2012, and even though it's no longer officially supported that is mostly because Microsoft decided to change their proprietary access methods and did not wish to continue updating Windows Live Mail. It still serves perfectly well as a POP or IMAP e-mail client. If you want to download a copy of the full offline installer for Microsoft Essentials, of which Windows Live Mail is a part, it's on my Google Drive in 7-Zip format here. I snagged a copy of the offline installer a couple of weeks before Microsoft withdrew active support. I have recently learned of another fairly simple email client, eM Client, that looks quite good but I have not had a chance yet to evaluate it from an accessibility standpoint. The interface seems to be simpler than Thunderbird's is, and that can be critical. If you do evaluate this client for accessibility please report back. -- Brian The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment. ~ Dorothy Nevill |
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Gene
That isn't correct. Outlook Express has no
spell checker and uses the Word spell checker. Most e-mail programs do
have spell checkers including Thunderbird and Windows Live Mail. And in
Outlook Express, beyond a certain version of Word, you can't use the Word spell
checker in Outlook Express. The last version where might have been Word
2003 or Word 2007 but the Word spell checker hasn't worked or worked properly
with Outlook Express for years.
There are third party spell checkers you can use
with Outlook Express. I don't know how good they are.
Gene
----- Original Meessage ------ Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 12:22 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Email Client hecker. Its another reason why I'm still using Outlook express. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Chin" <peter.chinpk@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2017 8:43 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] Email Client I am using mainly Windows Live Mail and for the most part it works well. However, I have not found a way to enable the spellcheck facility. Suggestions would be appreciated. From: Brian Vogel Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2017 11:14 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Email Client I'm with everyone so far, but in different senses. Thunderbird is indeed an excellent e-mail client overall and works beautifully with NVDA and other screen readers. One can teach basic use and ignore all the bells and whistles not needed. That being said, the less sophisticated user can and often does get themselves into trouble by fat-fingering something and triggering some function that they do not know about, do not wish to trigger, and have no idea how to exit. That is the trouble with using a really full-featured e-mail client like Thunderbird. I like Windows Live Mail 2012, and even though it's no longer officially supported that is mostly because Microsoft decided to change their proprietary access methods and did not wish to continue updating Windows Live Mail. It still serves perfectly well as a POP or IMAP e-mail client. If you want to download a copy of the full offline installer for Microsoft Essentials, of which Windows Live Mail is a part, it's on my Google Drive in 7-Zip format here. I snagged a copy of the offline installer a couple of weeks before Microsoft withdrew active support. I have recently learned of another fairly simple email client, eM Client, that looks quite good but I have not had a chance yet to evaluate it from an accessibility standpoint. The interface seems to be simpler than Thunderbird's is, and that can be critical. If you do evaluate this client for accessibility please report back. -- Brian The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment. ~ Dorothy Nevill |
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Peter Chin
Hello Gene,
Thanks for your suggestion. My last message was written in haste and I
neglected to point out that I had already tried F7 without effect. When I go to
the spellcheck via the ribbon, it tells me that it is disabled and I can find no
way of enabling it.
If you mean to run the spellchecker, the short cut
command is f7. That is a very common command to run the spell checker in
programs that have them.
Gene
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I am using mainly Windows Live Mail and for the most part it works well.
However, I have not found a way to enable the spellcheck facility.
Suggestions would be appreciated.
I'm with everyone so far, but in different senses. Thunderbird is indeed an excellent e-mail client overall and works beautifully with NVDA and other screen readers. One can teach basic use and ignore all the bells and whistles not needed. That being said, the less sophisticated user can and often does get themselves into trouble by fat-fingering something and triggering some function that they do not know about, do not wish to trigger, and have no idea how to exit. That is the trouble with using a really full-featured e-mail client like Thunderbird. I like Windows Live Mail 2012, and even though it's no longer officially supported that is mostly because Microsoft decided to change their proprietary access methods and did not wish to continue updating Windows Live Mail. It still serves perfectly well as a POP or IMAP e-mail client. If you want to download a copy of the full offline installer for Microsoft Essentials, of which Windows Live Mail is a part, it's on my Google Drive in 7-Zip format here. I snagged a copy of the offline installer a couple of weeks before Microsoft withdrew active support. I have recently learned of another fairly simple email client, eM Client, that looks quite
good but I have not had a chance yet to evaluate it from an accessibility
standpoint. The interface seems to be simpler than Thunderbird's is, and
that can be critical. If you do evaluate this client for
accessibility please report back. The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment. ~ Dorothy Nevill
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Gene
I don't know why. All I can suggest is
uninstalling and reinstalling the program. That might help but I don't
know how likely that is..
Gene ----- Original Message -----
Hello Gene,
Thanks for your suggestion. My last message was written in haste and I
neglected to point out that I had already tried F7 without effect. When I go to
the spellcheck via the ribbon, it tells me that it is disabled and I can find no
way of enabling it.
If you mean to run the spellchecker, the short cut
command is f7. That is a very common command to run the spell checker in
programs that have them.
Gene
------- Original Message -----
I am using mainly Windows Live Mail and for the most part it works well.
However, I have not found a way to enable the spellcheck facility.
Suggestions would be appreciated.
I'm with everyone so far, but in different senses. Thunderbird is indeed an excellent e-mail client overall and works beautifully with NVDA and other screen readers. One can teach basic use and ignore all the bells and whistles not needed. That being said, the less sophisticated user can and often does get themselves into trouble by fat-fingering something and triggering some function that they do not know about, do not wish to trigger, and have no idea how to exit. That is the trouble with using a really full-featured e-mail client like Thunderbird. I like Windows Live Mail 2012, and even though it's no longer officially supported that is mostly because Microsoft decided to change their proprietary access methods and did not wish to continue updating Windows Live Mail. It still serves perfectly well as a POP or IMAP e-mail client. If you want to download a copy of the full offline installer for Microsoft Essentials, of which Windows Live Mail is a part, it's on my Google Drive in 7-Zip format here. I snagged a copy of the offline installer a couple of weeks before Microsoft withdrew active support. I have recently learned of another fairly simple email client, eM Client, that looks quite
good but I have not had a chance yet to evaluate it from an accessibility
standpoint. The interface seems to be simpler than Thunderbird's is, and
that can be critical. If you do evaluate this client for
accessibility please report back. The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment. ~ Dorothy Nevill
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