From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, April 28, 2017 1:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Anyone having issues with NVDA+F6 in Creators Update?

Hello All,

         I'm actually with a student at this very moment and we're working with NVDA, or I should say trying to.  I cannot seem to get a consistent result with bringing up the elements list with NVDA+F6.  Way more often than not it's throwing me back to the address box and then navigating link by link afterward.  What's up with that or what am I doing wrong?
--
Brian

     The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

            ~ Dorothy Nevill

Hello All,

         I'm actually with a student at this very moment and we're working with NVDA, or I should say trying to.  I cannot seem to get a consistent result with bringing up the elements list with NVDA+F6.  Way more often than not it's throwing me back to the address box and then navigating link by link afterward.  What's up with that or what am I doing wrong?
--
Brian

     The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

            ~ Dorothy Nevill

Hello All,

         I'm actually with a student at this very moment and we're working with NVDA, or I should say trying to.  I cannot seem to get a consistent result with bringing up the elements list with NVDA+F6.  Way more often than not it's throwing me back to the address box and then navigating link by link afterward.  What's up with that or what am I doing wrong?
--
Brian

     The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

            ~ Dorothy Nevill

Hello All,
I'm actually with a student at this very moment and we're working with NVDA, or I should say trying to. I cannot seem to get a consistent result with bringing up the elements list with NVDA+F6. Way more often than not it's throwing me back to the address box and then navigating link by link afterward. What's up with that or what am I doing wrong?
--
*/Brian/*
*//**/The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment./*
*/~ Dorothy Nevill/*
*//*

Actually, this was a typo, but I will admit that I was trying both F6 and F7 along with the NVDA key.

I'm back at home now but at least 50% of the time or more if I do NVDA+F7 I get the dialog box about turning Caret Browsing on or off, which I do not ever recall as happening before.

I was also getting some very weird misbehavior out of JAWS 18 with regard to its interaction with the use of WinKey and typing to search.  I think the latest dot update fixed that, but more testing will be required.

It sounds as though this may not be an NVDA problem.  Are you using the same version of Windows as the student?  If so, perhaps a Windows update has caused problems.  It's unlikely that the insert key would work intermittently on two different screen-readers unless it actually isn't working properly for some other reason.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Brian Vogel

Sent: Friday, April 28, 2017 6:00 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Anyone having issues with NVDA+F6 in Creators Update?

Actually, this was a typo, but I will admit that I was trying both F6 and F7 along with the NVDA key.

I'm back at home now but at least 50% of the time or more if I do NVDA+F7 I get the dialog box about turning Caret Browsing on or off, which I do not ever recall as happening before.

I was also getting some very weird misbehavior out of JAWS 18 with regard to its interaction with the use of WinKey and typing to search.  I think the latest dot update fixed that, but more testing will be required.

I have seen problems with the F7 in nvda where it won't display the
elements list but just says something weird like "Carrot Browsing". I
have no idea of what this means, and I think it is of no use to me.
This is kind of rare, and if I hit the F7 a few times, it will go away
and I'll get the elements lists.

Roger









On 4/28/2017 7:05 PM, Gene wrote:

It sounds as though this may not be an NVDA problem. Are you using
the same version of Windows as the student? If so, perhaps a Windows
update has caused problems. It's unlikely that the insert key would
work intermittently on two different screen-readers unless it actually
isn't working properly for some other reason.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Brian Vogel <mailto:britechguy@...>
*Sent:* Friday, April 28, 2017 6:00 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Anyone having issues with NVDA+F6 in Creators
Update?

Actually, this was a typo, but I will admit that I was trying both F6
and F7 along with the NVDA key.

I'm back at home now but at least 50% of the time or more if I do
NVDA+F7 I get the dialog box about turning Caret Browsing on or off,
which I do not ever recall as happening before.

I was also getting some very weird misbehavior out of JAWS 18 with
regard to its interaction with the use of WinKey and typing to search.
I think the latest dot update fixed that, but more testing will be
required.

Let me ask you, are you in focus mode when this occurs? For example,
you go to the Google homepage. If you try this command in focus mode,
it won't work. If you try this command anywhere outside of browse
mode, where you can use single letter navigation, such as on the
address bar, it won't work.

Regards

On 4/28/17, Roger Stewart <paganus2@...> wrote:

I have seen problems with the F7 in nvda where it won't display the
elements list but just says something weird like "Carrot Browsing". I
have no idea of what this means, and I think it is of no use to me.
This is kind of rare, and if I hit the F7 a few times, it will go away
and I'll get the elements lists.

Roger









On 4/28/2017 7:05 PM, Gene wrote:

It sounds as though this may not be an NVDA problem. Are you using
the same version of Windows as the student? If so, perhaps a Windows
update has caused problems. It's unlikely that the insert key would
work intermittently on two different screen-readers unless it actually
isn't working properly for some other reason.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Brian Vogel <mailto:britechguy@...>
*Sent:* Friday, April 28, 2017 6:00 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Anyone having issues with NVDA+F6 in Creators
Update?

Actually, this was a typo, but I will admit that I was trying both F6
and F7 along with the NVDA key.

I'm back at home now but at least 50% of the time or more if I do
NVDA+F7 I get the dialog box about turning Caret Browsing on or off,
which I do not ever recall as happening before.

I was also getting some very weird misbehavior out of JAWS 18 with
regard to its interaction with the use of WinKey and typing to search.
I think the latest dot update fixed that, but more testing will be
required.

Just FYI:

1.  All issues on a machine running Win10 Home 64-bit Version 1703, Build
15063.250

2. Tried in IE11 and Chrome.

3. Also tried toggling between Browse and Focus mode, and am using the Focus
Highlight add-on.

--
*Brian*

*     * *The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in
the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting
moment.*

*           ~ Dorothy Nevill*

**

It sounds as though this may not be an NVDA problem.  Are you using the same version of Windows as the student?  If so, perhaps a Windows update has caused problems.  It's unlikely that the insert key would work intermittently on two different screen-readers unless it actually isn't working properly for some other reason.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Brian Vogel

Sent: Friday, April 28, 2017 6:00 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Anyone having issues with NVDA+F6 in Creators Update?

 

Actually, this was a typo, but I will admit that I was trying both F6 and F7 along with the NVDA key.

I'm back at home now but at least 50% of the time or more if I do NVDA+F7 I get the dialog box about turning Caret Browsing on or off, which I do not ever recall as happening before.

I was also getting some very weird misbehavior out of JAWS 18 with regard to its interaction with the use of WinKey and typing to search.  I think the latest dot update fixed that, but more testing will be required.

Caret browsing is a function of some browsers and a Chrome add-on, all
enabled using F7 key. Here is an extract from an article describing it’s
use:



Google Chrome’s Caret Browsing:

We all are aware of the difficulty we face every time we try selecting some
text from a web page using a mouse. Most of the time either our hand slips
or the pointer stops working after selecting half the text! Caret browsing
is extremely helpful if you are into frequent text selection and text
copying from web pages.

For long reads from web pages where extensive page navigation is required,
caret browsing is the ideal tool for you. You can already use caret browsing
in Firefox and Internet Explorer by pressing F7 (for enabling and disabling
the feature). The feature has been recently made available in Google Chrome
with the help of a caret browsing extension.

Caret Browsing – What it means!

Caret browsing is nothing but a technique for keyboard navigation where we
can move the text cursor on a web page like we do in any document or text
editor. This is another helpful extension which has been offered to us by
the Google Accessibility team, like they did with the Google Tone, Chrome
Vox, the Colour Enhancer extension and many more. It really is a boon for
die-hard Chrome users who are into text documenting work.

How to Use it!

•Go to Chrome Web Store and install the extension for Caret Browsing, like
you do for installing any extension in Chrome.

•You can enable or disable the browsing mode with the F7 key, like you do in
Firefox or Internet Explorer.

•Go to the part of the text where you want your text cursor to be in. Click
there.

•Now you can use the arrow keys to move up and down the text like you do in
any text editor.

•In case you want to skip certain words, you can use Ctrl along with the
arrow keys.

•In order to select text, use Shift + arrow keys.

•If you want to open a link posted on the web page, go to the hyperlink and
press enter. The link gets automatically focussed once the cursor reaches
there.

•For coming out from a focused control (list box or a text box), press Esc
and then the right or left arrow key.

For enhanced caret browsing experience, you can also install the keyboard
shortcut extension from the Chrome Web Store.





Cheeers

Chris

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Roger
Stewart
Sent: 29 April 2017 01:58
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Anyone having issues with NVDA+F6 in Creators Update?



I have seen problems with the F7 in nvda where it won't display the elements
list but just says something weird like "Carrot Browsing". I have no idea
of what this means, and I think it is of no use to me. This is kind of
rare, and if I hit the F7 a few times, it will go away and I'll get the
elements lists.

Roger









On 4/28/2017 7:05 PM, Gene wrote:

It sounds as though this may not be an NVDA problem. Are you using the same
version of Windows as the student? If so, perhaps a Windows update has
caused problems. It's unlikely that the insert key would work
intermittently on two different screen-readers unless it actually isn't
working properly for some other reason.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Brian Vogel <mailto:britechguy@...>

Sent: Friday, April 28, 2017 6:00 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Anyone having issues with NVDA+F6 in Creators Update?



Actually, this was a typo, but I will admit that I was trying both F6 and F7
along with the NVDA key.

I'm back at home now but at least 50% of the time or more if I do NVDA+F7 I
get the dialog box about turning Caret Browsing on or off, which I do not
ever recall as happening before.

I was also getting some very weird misbehavior out of JAWS 18 with regard to
its interaction with the use of WinKey and typing to search. I think the
latest dot update fixed that, but more testing will be required.