Window-Eyes Tutorials and Transition


Andre Fisher
 

Hi everyone.

Although I was never a Window-Eyes user, strictly NVDA, I feel that
providing material, similarly to how VFO provided some nice
transitional material to help transition to JAWS is a very good idea
for NVDA. This will be especially beneficial to those persons who are
using the Free for Office Edition. As there is a page on the wiki and
NVDACon, I hope this suggestion can come to reality, as there is a
good opportunity to extend NVDA's reach and popularity, as well as
reporting features and bugs.


David Moore
 

Amen!

I will be here to help anyone coming from Window-Eyes to switch to NVDA for their screen reader. I hope this does become a great way to promote NVDA and get many more people acquainted with it.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Andre Fisher
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 2:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Window-Eyes Tutorials and Transition

 

Hi everyone.

 

Although I was never a Window-Eyes user, strictly NVDA, I feel that

providing material, similarly to how VFO provided some nice

transitional material to help transition to JAWS is a very good idea

for NVDA. This will be especially beneficial to those persons who are

using the Free for Office Edition. As there is a page on the wiki and

NVDACon, I hope this suggestion can come to reality, as there is a

good opportunity to extend NVDA's reach and popularity, as well as

reporting features and bugs.

 

 

 


 

I agree, but this is a, "Get writing!!," situation for those who are bilingual [in a manner of speaking] in both Window Eyes and NVDA.

I don't fit this category and based on what I think I know about the number of bodies involved in the "nuts and bolts" of NVDA the staffing is probably not available to do this in house any time soon.
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Hi,

One possible route is a three-way merge – let people who are good with NVDA and JAWS talk to those who are good at JAWS and Window-Eyes so they can come up with something.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 4:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Window-Eyes Tutorials and Transition

 

I agree, but this is a, "Get writing!!," situation for those who are bilingual [in a manner of speaking] in both Window Eyes and NVDA.

I don't fit this category and based on what I think I know about the number of bodies involved in the "nuts and bolts" of NVDA the staffing is probably not available to do this in house any time soon.
--
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     Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime.

            ~ Mark Twain

 

 


Gene
 

If done properly, there isn't that much for a lot of users to learn and what does need to be learned, doesn't necessarily transfer from Window-eyes.  First, the most important thing to know is that as long as you learn certain commands, and not many, such as read title bar and commands like read current line, read current character and other review commands, you can do much or most of what you did using Window-eyes, unless you are an advanced user and make important use of such things as the Mouse Pointer in Window-eyes.  But a lot or most of what typical users use aside from screen review, read title bar, and certain other screen-reader commands, are Windows commands and program commands. 
 
For learning how to use object navigation and flat review, the user should learn them from instructional material or the manual if the user learns from manuals. 
there is some more or less equivalence when using flat review but none for object navigation.  In either case, it's better to learn the NVDA commands and even when learning flat review, not trying to remember things by saying, this key in Window-eyes did this when moving the mouse pointer and this key moves you in the same way using flat review.  That's my opinion.  My opinion is that it makes far more sense to simply learn how to move in flat review and how to activate using NVDA key NVDA enter and how to route the mouse to the navigator object or to the flat review position.  There is little or no exact equivalence in procedure in NvDA..

Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 6:46 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Window-Eyes Tutorials and Transition

I agree, but this is a, "Get writing!!," situation for those who are bilingual [in a manner of speaking] in both Window Eyes and NVDA.

I don't fit this category and based on what I think I know about the number of bodies involved in the "nuts and bolts" of NVDA the staffing is probably not available to do this in house any time soon.
--
Brian         Version 1703, Build 15063.296, Home 64-bit

 

     Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime.

            ~ Mark Twain

 

 


Tony Ballou
 

Hi,


Very True,there's a great opportunity here for us to help many others
and we might as well do our best to take advantage of it. Throughout my
career I was an avid window-eyes user from 1996 to July of last year
which is when I made the full time move to NVDA with the release of
windows 10. I have yet to look at any of the VFO groups material for
having my hands in other projects. Is there a link out there for them?
I'm interested.


Tony

On 5/17/2017 2:36 PM, Andre Fisher wrote:
Hi everyone.

Although I was never a Window-Eyes user, strictly NVDA, I feel that
providing material, similarly to how VFO provided some nice
transitional material to help transition to JAWS is a very good idea
for NVDA. This will be especially beneficial to those persons who are
using the Free for Office Edition. As there is a page on the wiki and
NVDACon, I hope this suggestion can come to reality, as there is a
good opportunity to extend NVDA's reach and popularity, as well as
reporting features and bugs.



Tony Ballou
 

Hi,


Absolutely, all anyone has to do is ask for help and I'm on it. 


Tony

On 5/17/2017 7:40 PM, David Moore wrote:

Amen!

I will be here to help anyone coming from Window-Eyes to switch to NVDA for their screen reader. I hope this does become a great way to promote NVDA and get many more people acquainted with it.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Andre Fisher
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 2:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Window-Eyes Tutorials and Transition

 

Hi everyone.

 

Although I was never a Window-Eyes user, strictly NVDA, I feel that

providing material, similarly to how VFO provided some nice

transitional material to help transition to JAWS is a very good idea

for NVDA. This will be especially beneficial to those persons who are

using the Free for Office Edition. As there is a page on the wiki and

NVDACon, I hope this suggestion can come to reality, as there is a

good opportunity to extend NVDA's reach and popularity, as well as

reporting features and bugs.

 

 

 



 

On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 12:20 pm, Tony Ballou wrote:
Is there a link out there for them?

I can't find anything obvious on the Freedom Scientific website under either support or training with regard to being a new JAWS user coming from using one screen reader to another.
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     Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime.

            ~ Mark Twain

 

 


Tony Ballou
 

Hi,


Totally understandable,  in my transition from window eyes to NVDA, I have found this out pretty much the hard way sighs. The concept is almost 2 different animals. Thank goodness we have the obj pad add-on. cheers Joseph! You've helped me tremendously with this part of learning NVDA!  I know longer have to drive myself mad!


Tony


Tony 


On 5/17/2017 8:48 PM, Gene wrote:
If done properly, there isn't that much for a lot of users to learn and what does need to be learned, doesn't necessarily transfer from Window-eyes.  First, the most important thing to know is that as long as you learn certain commands, and not many, such as read title bar and commands like read current line, read current character and other review commands, you can do much or most of what you did using Window-eyes, unless you are an advanced user and make important use of such things as the Mouse Pointer in Window-eyes.  But a lot or most of what typical users use aside from screen review, read title bar, and certain other screen-reader commands, are Windows commands and program commands. 
 
For learning how to use object navigation and flat review, the user should learn them from instructional material or the manual if the user learns from manuals. 
there is some more or less equivalence when using flat review but none for object navigation.  In either case, it's better to learn the NVDA commands and even when learning flat review, not trying to remember things by saying, this key in Window-eyes did this when moving the mouse pointer and this key moves you in the same way using flat review.  That's my opinion.  My opinion is that it makes far more sense to simply learn how to move in flat review and how to activate using NVDA key NVDA enter and how to route the mouse to the navigator object or to the flat review position.  There is little or no exact equivalence in procedure in NvDA..

Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 6:46 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Window-Eyes Tutorials and Transition

I agree, but this is a, "Get writing!!," situation for those who are bilingual [in a manner of speaking] in both Window Eyes and NVDA.

I don't fit this category and based on what I think I know about the number of bodies involved in the "nuts and bolts" of NVDA the staffing is probably not available to do this in house any time soon.
--
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     Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime.

            ~ Mark Twain

 

 



 

On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 12:31 pm, Tony Ballou wrote:
The concept is almost 2 different animals.

 The above being written with regard to Window-Eyes and NVDA, and that perspective fascinates me since I have very limited experience with Window Eyes.

This is very different from my personal experience [proviso: as a sighted person who only tutors screen reader use rather than actually using a screen reader as my primary access to the computer] between JAWS and NVDA.  I know JAWS (or at least knew JAWS, I'm getting a bit rusty but it'll be like riding a bike) and when I wanted to learn NVDA the major annoyance was unlearning a few keystrokes that they don't share for the same functions.  By and large they're very similar animals in my opinion.

How do others who used or may still use both JAWS and NVDA feel about this observation?   You're much better able to speak to whether my perspective is utterly skewed or not.
--
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     Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime.

            ~ Mark Twain

 

 


Gene
 

Learning how to work with object navigation is not similar to anything in NVDA.  Screen review and flat review use different commands but they are similar to reviewing the screen with the Window-eyes mouse pointer in concept.  I don't know what you are referring to as two different animals.  It is important for any instructional material to help with the transition to make such points as I made yesterday. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 2:31 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Window-Eyes Tutorials and Transition

Hi,


Totally understandable,  in my transition from window eyes to NVDA, I have found this out pretty much the hard way sighs. The concept is almost 2 different animals. Thank goodness we have the obj pad add-on. cheers Joseph! You've helped me tremendously with this part of learning NVDA!  I know longer have to drive myself mad!


Tony


Tony 


On 5/17/2017 8:48 PM, Gene wrote:
If done properly, there isn't that much for a lot of users to learn and what does need to be learned, doesn't necessarily transfer from Window-eyes.  First, the most important thing to know is that as long as you learn certain commands, and not many, such as read title bar and commands like read current line, read current character and other review commands, you can do much or most of what you did using Window-eyes, unless you are an advanced user and make important use of such things as the Mouse Pointer in Window-eyes.  But a lot or most of what typical users use aside from screen review, read title bar, and certain other screen-reader commands, are Windows commands and program commands. 
 
For learning how to use object navigation and flat review, the user should learn them from instructional material or the manual if the user learns from manuals. 
there is some more or less equivalence when using flat review but none for object navigation.  In either case, it's better to learn the NVDA commands and even when learning flat review, not trying to remember things by saying, this key in Window-eyes did this when moving the mouse pointer and this key moves you in the same way using flat review.  That's my opinion.  My opinion is that it makes far more sense to simply learn how to move in flat review and how to activate using NVDA key NVDA enter and how to route the mouse to the navigator object or to the flat review position.  There is little or no exact equivalence in procedure in NvDA..

Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 6:46 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Window-Eyes Tutorials and Transition

I agree, but this is a, "Get writing!!," situation for those who are bilingual [in a manner of speaking] in both Window Eyes and NVDA.

I don't fit this category and based on what I think I know about the number of bodies involved in the "nuts and bolts" of NVDA the staffing is probably not available to do this in house any time soon.
--
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     Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime.

            ~ Mark Twain

 

 



 

On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 12:47 pm, Gene wrote:
It is important for any instructional material to help with the transition to make such points as I made yesterday. 

With which I agree completely.

One of the mistakes that a lot of transitional training material makes is not trying to make the analogies needed to allow the gut level, "Oh, this thing here is just like that thing there," connections.

I have received some very flattering, and unexpected, private feedback on my brief tutorial on using the Ribbons under windows because I try to make the analogs between menu and ribbon very explicit.   I don't know why, exactly, this particular "fire" doesn't light on its own for some [and that's not a slap or criticism, just an observation] but if you just strike some metaphorical matches along the way suddenly it does.
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     Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime.

            ~ Mark Twain

 

 


Gene
 

JAWS is more similar to NVDA in some keystrokes.  Window-eyes uses a lot of control shift commands because it implements its equivalent of the JAWS cursor very differently and doesn't have nearly as many insert letter commands.  .  But if you learn a small number of NvDA commands, control shift t is read title bar in Window-eyes and insert t in JAWS and NVDA, time is insert f12 in JAWS and NVDA, and insert t in Window-eyes, and you must learn commands such as read current line and other review commands in NVDA, while there will be other things to learn, you don't have to learn much to do a lot of what you did before using Window-eyes.  I've used JAWS, Window-eyes, NVDA and System Access to go.  People get hung up on the screen-reader being different.  Most of what you do is with Windows commands and program commands unless you are an advanced user.  You don't have to learn a lot to do most of what you would do as a typical user from one screen-reader to another.  there are times when you may have to learn more, such as if your screen-reader has different proprietary commands to read fields in an opened e-mail message, for example.  But I can use any Windows computer with a version of Windows I am familiar with, and, given any screen-reader, I can learn about ten basic commands and do most of what I ordinarily do. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 2:41 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Window-Eyes Tutorials and Transition

On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 12:31 pm, Tony Ballou wrote:
The concept is almost 2 different animals.

 The above being written with regard to Window-Eyes and NVDA, and that perspective fascinates me since I have very limited experience with Window Eyes.

This is very different from my personal experience [proviso: as a sighted person who only tutors screen reader use rather than actually using a screen reader as my primary access to the computer] between JAWS and NVDA.  I know JAWS (or at least knew JAWS, I'm getting a bit rusty but it'll be like riding a bike) and when I wanted to learn NVDA the major annoyance was unlearning a few keystrokes that they don't share for the same functions.  By and large they're very similar animals in my opinion.

How do others who used or may still use both JAWS and NVDA feel about this observation?   You're much better able to speak to whether my perspective is utterly skewed or not.
--
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     Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime.

            ~ Mark Twain

 

 


 

On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 01:04 pm, Gene wrote:
Most of what you do is with Windows commands and program commands unless you are an advanced user. 

I'd go so far as to say this applies even when you are an advanced user of screen reader specific functionality.

Some of my students have gotten mildly perturbed when I've been pretty picky about making the distinction about what they're doing being a Windows keyboard shortcut versus a screen reader command.   After a while they get why I'm making this distinction, and insisting they understand it, because so many "in program" shortcuts under Windows are shared between wildly different programs because they're invoking the same functions, even if the details differ, and Windows shortcuts for the OS in general are in no way related to your screen reader.   If a screen reader stops talking, and you're good about knowing where you were and how to navigate around in silence, it's a lot easier to make sure that graceful exits of various programs can be made and no data loss occurs.
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     Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime.

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Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Brian,

 

I used to be a Jaws user until 2011 when I upgraded to windows 7. You're right about Jaws and NVDA being very similar to one another.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 12:42 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Window-Eyes Tutorials and Transition

 

On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 12:31 pm, Tony Ballou wrote:

The concept is almost 2 different animals.

 The above being written with regard to Window-Eyes and NVDA, and that perspective fascinates me since I have very limited experience with Window Eyes.

This is very different from my personal experience [proviso: as a sighted person who only tutors screen reader use rather than actually using a screen reader as my primary access to the computer] between JAWS and NVDA.  I know JAWS (or at least knew JAWS, I'm getting a bit rusty but it'll be like riding a bike) and when I wanted to learn NVDA the major annoyance was unlearning a few keystrokes that they don't share for the same functions.  By and large they're very similar animals in my opinion.

How do others who used or may still use both JAWS and NVDA feel about this observation?   You're much better able to speak to whether my perspective is utterly skewed or not.
--
Brian         Version 1703, Build 15063.296, Home 64-bit

 

     Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime.

            ~ Mark Twain

 

 


Tony Ballou
 

Howdy Gene,


The object navigation versus navigation with the cursors in window eyes are the 2 different animals I was making reference to Until I started working with NVDA, I hadn't seen anything close.  didn't mean to confuse you mate.


Tony 


On 5/18/2017 3:47 PM, Gene wrote:
Learning how to work with object navigation is not similar to anything in NVDA.  Screen review and flat review use different commands but they are similar to reviewing the screen with the Window-eyes mouse pointer in concept.  I don't know what you are referring to as two different animals.  It is important for any instructional material to help with the transition to make such points as I made yesterday. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 2:31 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Window-Eyes Tutorials and Transition

Hi,


Totally understandable,  in my transition from window eyes to NVDA, I have found this out pretty much the hard way sighs. The concept is almost 2 different animals. Thank goodness we have the obj pad add-on. cheers Joseph! You've helped me tremendously with this part of learning NVDA!  I know longer have to drive myself mad!


Tony


Tony 


On 5/17/2017 8:48 PM, Gene wrote:
If done properly, there isn't that much for a lot of users to learn and what does need to be learned, doesn't necessarily transfer from Window-eyes.  First, the most important thing to know is that as long as you learn certain commands, and not many, such as read title bar and commands like read current line, read current character and other review commands, you can do much or most of what you did using Window-eyes, unless you are an advanced user and make important use of such things as the Mouse Pointer in Window-eyes.  But a lot or most of what typical users use aside from screen review, read title bar, and certain other screen-reader commands, are Windows commands and program commands. 
 
For learning how to use object navigation and flat review, the user should learn them from instructional material or the manual if the user learns from manuals. 
there is some more or less equivalence when using flat review but none for object navigation.  In either case, it's better to learn the NVDA commands and even when learning flat review, not trying to remember things by saying, this key in Window-eyes did this when moving the mouse pointer and this key moves you in the same way using flat review.  That's my opinion.  My opinion is that it makes far more sense to simply learn how to move in flat review and how to activate using NVDA key NVDA enter and how to route the mouse to the navigator object or to the flat review position.  There is little or no exact equivalence in procedure in NvDA..

Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 6:46 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Window-Eyes Tutorials and Transition

I agree, but this is a, "Get writing!!," situation for those who are bilingual [in a manner of speaking] in both Window Eyes and NVDA.

I don't fit this category and based on what I think I know about the number of bodies involved in the "nuts and bolts" of NVDA the staffing is probably not available to do this in house any time soon.
--
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Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi


out of curiosity is it more for migrating from another screen reader
such as jaws and windows eyes to the NVDA screen reader?


isit along the lines of what key it is in that program that is simular
to NVDA if it is there?


And is it more the baic ones?


Gene nz

On 19/05/2017 7:20 AM, Tony Ballou wrote:
Hi,


Very True,there's a great opportunity here for us to help many others
and we might as well do our best to take advantage of it. Throughout my
career I was an avid window-eyes user from 1996 to July of last year
which is when I made the full time move to NVDA with the release of
windows 10. I have yet to look at any of the VFO groups material for
having my hands in other projects. Is there a link out there for them?
I'm interested.


Tony


On 5/17/2017 2:36 PM, Andre Fisher wrote:
Hi everyone.

Although I was never a Window-Eyes user, strictly NVDA, I feel that
providing material, similarly to how VFO provided some nice
transitional material to help transition to JAWS is a very good idea
for NVDA. This will be especially beneficial to those persons who are
using the Free for Office Edition. As there is a page on the wiki and
NVDACon, I hope this suggestion can come to reality, as there is a
good opportunity to extend NVDA's reach and popularity, as well as
reporting features and bugs.



--
Check out my website for nvda tutorials and other blindness related
material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net. Regardless of where you
are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a
copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out
which locations or location is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries |
Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa -


 

Hi,
When it comes to screen reader transitions, what's more important is concepts. All three screen readers have similar command structure for some things but not others. However, an effective transition would not be complete without learning how certain concepts work, such as touch cursor, object navigation, browse mode and so on.
For those looking into transitioning between screen readers, I'd advise listening to an audio recording of screen reader comparison that was presented during NVDACon 2017 (audio to be made available soon).
Cheers,
Josepjh

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene New Zealand
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 5:22 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Window-Eyes Tutorials and Transition

Hi


out of curiosity is it more for migrating from another screen reader such as jaws and windows eyes to the NVDA screen reader?


isit along the lines of what key it is in that program that is simular
to NVDA if it is there?


And is it more the baic ones?


Gene nz





On 19/05/2017 7:20 AM, Tony Ballou wrote:
Hi,


Very True,there's a great opportunity here for us to help many others
and we might as well do our best to take advantage of it. Throughout my
career I was an avid window-eyes user from 1996 to July of last year
which is when I made the full time move to NVDA with the release of
windows 10. I have yet to look at any of the VFO groups material for
having my hands in other projects. Is there a link out there for them?
I'm interested.


Tony


On 5/17/2017 2:36 PM, Andre Fisher wrote:
Hi everyone.

Although I was never a Window-Eyes user, strictly NVDA, I feel that
providing material, similarly to how VFO provided some nice
transitional material to help transition to JAWS is a very good idea
for NVDA. This will be especially beneficial to those persons who are
using the Free for Office Edition. As there is a page on the wiki and
NVDACon, I hope this suggestion can come to reality, as there is a
good opportunity to extend NVDA's reach and popularity, as well as
reporting features and bugs.



--
Check out my website for nvda tutorials and other blindness related
material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net. Regardless of where you
are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a
copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out
which locations or location is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries |
Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa -


Tony Ballou
 

Hi,


I agree, in my years of doing this whether it be learning a screen
reader or having to transition from one to another myself or working
with clients who have had to do the same thing, it is always the concept
that tends to catch folks off guard a bit. In my own personal
experience, I am engaged in my own struggle with the object navigation
concept, and I've yet to address the touch cursor situation, for I don't
have a touch screen, hopefully I'm making sense here grins. As Joseph
points out, knowing how concepts such as browse mode, object navigation,
and touch cursor, work should make things easier. Looking forward to
listening to the presentation on this subject.


Tony

On 5/22/2017 8:34 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
When it comes to screen reader transitions, what's more important is concepts. All three screen readers have similar command structure for some things but not others. However, an effective transition would not be complete without learning how certain concepts work, such as touch cursor, object navigation, browse mode and so on.
For those looking into transitioning between screen readers, I'd advise listening to an audio recording of screen reader comparison that was presented during NVDACon 2017 (audio to be made available soon).
Cheers,
Josepjh

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene New Zealand
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 5:22 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Window-Eyes Tutorials and Transition

Hi


out of curiosity is it more for migrating from another screen reader such as jaws and windows eyes to the NVDA screen reader?


isit along the lines of what key it is in that program that is simular
to NVDA if it is there?


And is it more the baic ones?


Gene nz





On 19/05/2017 7:20 AM, Tony Ballou wrote:
Hi,


Very True,there's a great opportunity here for us to help many others
and we might as well do our best to take advantage of it. Throughout my
career I was an avid window-eyes user from 1996 to July of last year
which is when I made the full time move to NVDA with the release of
windows 10. I have yet to look at any of the VFO groups material for
having my hands in other projects. Is there a link out there for them?
I'm interested.


Tony


On 5/17/2017 2:36 PM, Andre Fisher wrote:
Hi everyone.

Although I was never a Window-Eyes user, strictly NVDA, I feel that
providing material, similarly to how VFO provided some nice
transitional material to help transition to JAWS is a very good idea
for NVDA. This will be especially beneficial to those persons who are
using the Free for Office Edition. As there is a page on the wiki and
NVDACon, I hope this suggestion can come to reality, as there is a
good opportunity to extend NVDA's reach and popularity, as well as
reporting features and bugs.



Brandon Cross <bcross3286@...>
 

Yeah, agreed, I tried window eyes briefly, not enough to get a grasp on it, but if anyone did know both intimately, it would be a worthwhile venture to make a little cheat sheet, or more if needed. An article of sourts maybe.

On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 7:40 PM, David Moore <jesusloves1966@...> wrote:

Amen!

I will be here to help anyone coming from Window-Eyes to switch to NVDA for their screen reader. I hope this does become a great way to promote NVDA and get many more people acquainted with it.

David Moore

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From: Andre Fisher
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 2:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Window-Eyes Tutorials and Transition

 

Hi everyone.

 

Although I was never a Window-Eyes user, strictly NVDA, I feel that

providing material, similarly to how VFO provided some nice

transitional material to help transition to JAWS is a very good idea

for NVDA. This will be especially beneficial to those persons who are

using the Free for Office Edition. As there is a page on the wiki and

NVDACon, I hope this suggestion can come to reality, as there is a

good opportunity to extend NVDA's reach and popularity, as well as

reporting features and bugs.