A very damn well written article promoting NVDA


Lino Morales
 

Chris Hoffstater wrote a damn good article on his blog about NVDA which you can read here.

http://chrishofstader.com/nvda-now-more-than-ever/


Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi


I agree a very well written article.


I enjoyed the read.


Gene nz

On 24/05/2017 9:47 AM, Lino Morales wrote:
Chris Hoffstater wrote a damn good article on his blog about NVDA
which you can read here.

http://chrishofstader.com/nvda-now-more-than-ever/



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Mallard
 

Wow! This is great! I'll forward it to all my friends, blind and sighted...


I usually donate to NVDA each time a new version comes out, but I think I won't wait for NVDA 2017.2 to be officially released. This time I'll make an early donation to celebrate this great article... (smile).


Ciao, and thanks Christopher!

Ollie

Il 23/05/2017 23:47, Lino Morales ha scritto:
Chris Hoffstater wrote a damn good article on his blog about NVDA which you can read here.

http://chrishofstader.com/nvda-now-more-than-ever/




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Except that every time someone says Floss to me I think of teeth.
sorry.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Mallard" <mallard@kimabe.eu>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 9:04 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA


Wow! This is great! I'll forward it to all my friends, blind and sighted...


I usually donate to NVDA each time a new version comes out, but I think I won't wait for NVDA 2017.2 to be officially released. This time I'll make an early donation to celebrate this great article... (smile).


Ciao, and thanks Christopher!

Ollie





Il 23/05/2017 23:47, Lino Morales ha scritto:
Chris Hoffstater wrote a damn good article on his blog about NVDA which you can read here.

http://chrishofstader.com/nvda-now-more-than-ever/





Devin Prater
 

I agree, this was a great article!

 

Devin Prater
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Except that every time someone says Floss to me I think of teeth.

sorry.

Brian

 

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From: "Mallard" <mallard@...>

To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 9:04 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

 

> Wow! This is great! I'll forward it to all my friends, blind and

> sighted...

> I usually donate to NVDA each time a new version comes out, but I think I

> won't wait for NVDA 2017.2 to be officially released. This time I'll make

> an early donation to celebrate this great article... (smile).

> Ciao, and thanks Christopher!

> Ollie

> Il 23/05/2017 23:47, Lino Morales ha scritto:

>> Chris Hoffstater wrote a damn good article on his blog about NVDA which

>> you can read here.

>> 

>> http://chrishofstader.com/nvda-now-more-than-ever/

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>

>

 

 

 

 


 

I have to agree

lets tell vfo where to shove it

and get more people to drop jaws and switch to nvda

On 5/24/2017 9:08 AM, Devin Prater wrote:

I agree, this was a great article!

 

Devin Prater
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Except that every time someone says Floss to me I think of teeth.

sorry.

Brian

 

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Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 9:04 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

 

> Wow! This is great! I'll forward it to all my friends, blind and

> sighted...

> I usually donate to NVDA each time a new version comes out, but I think I

> won't wait for NVDA 2017.2 to be officially released. This time I'll make

> an early donation to celebrate this great article... (smile).

> Ciao, and thanks Christopher!

> Ollie

> Il 23/05/2017 23:47, Lino Morales ha scritto:

>> Chris Hoffstater wrote a damn good article on his blog about NVDA which

>> you can read here.

>> 

>> http://chrishofstader.com/nvda-now-more-than-ever/

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>

>

 

 

 

 



 

Hi all,

May I say something about this article and offer a suggestion to the community at large:

The article deals mostly with corporate attitudes, sales strategies, labels, standards and so on, using NVDA as an example and advocates for greater adoption of open-source solutions in screen reading. While I have mixed feelings about this, I’m more worried about what VFO and other parties will go through in the next while.

As for response, as a community, I think it is better to use reasoned and ethical advocacy than rushed, emotional retweets and replies. I’m sure of us might be thinking that retweets is a reasonable form of advocacy and that’s all. I’d say not: retweets is just one thing, but reasonable advocacy involves willingness to think things through and come up with educated arguments. I myself advised VFO to reevaluate their corporate attitudes, sales strategies and public relations front based on content presented in this article and from other reports, and did warn them that they’ll have to answer tough questions.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of The Wolf
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 9:11 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

I have to agree

lets tell vfo where to shove it

and get more people to drop jaws and switch to nvda

On 5/24/2017 9:08 AM, Devin Prater wrote:

I agree, this was a great article!

 

Devin Prater
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From: Brian's Mail list account
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 10:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

Except that every time someone says Floss to me I think of teeth.

sorry.

Brian

 

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Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 9:04 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

 

> Wow! This is great! I'll forward it to all my friends, blind and

> sighted...

> I usually donate to NVDA each time a new version comes out, but I think I

> won't wait for NVDA 2017.2 to be officially released. This time I'll make

> an early donation to celebrate this great article... (smile).

> Ciao, and thanks Christopher!

> Ollie

> Il 23/05/2017 23:47, Lino Morales ha scritto:

>> Chris Hoffstater wrote a damn good article on his blog about NVDA which

>> you can read here.

>> 

>> http://chrishofstader.com/nvda-now-more-than-ever/

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>

>

 

 

 

 

 


Tony Ballou
 

Hi,


Chris has written loads of good stuff about NVDA over the past few
moons. His blog is a worthwhile read for any one who is in the screen
reader business whether they be an instructor, IT guy, or end user. I'll
check it out.


Tony

On 5/23/2017 5:47 PM, Lino Morales wrote:
Chris Hoffstater wrote a damn good article on his blog about NVDA
which you can read here.

http://chrishofstader.com/nvda-now-more-than-ever/




Dennis L <dennisl1982@...>
 

That requires NVDA start to fix bugs in a timely manner and add features that Jaws has like when you have messages rules set up and you have 14 unread messages give me the option to have that read automatically when I arrow to the NVDA folder it says NVDA14 unread messages or something like that.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of The Wolf
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 12:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

I have to agree

lets tell vfo where to shove it

and get more people to drop jaws and switch to nvda

On 5/24/2017 9:08 AM, Devin Prater wrote:

I agree, this was a great article!

 

Devin Prater
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From: Brian's Mail list account
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 10:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

Except that every time someone says Floss to me I think of teeth.

sorry.

Brian

 

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From: "Mallard" <mallard@...>

To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 9:04 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

 

> Wow! This is great! I'll forward it to all my friends, blind and

> sighted...

> I usually donate to NVDA each time a new version comes out, but I think I

> won't wait for NVDA 2017.2 to be officially released. This time I'll make

> an early donation to celebrate this great article... (smile).

> Ciao, and thanks Christopher!

> Ollie

> Il 23/05/2017 23:47, Lino Morales ha scritto:

>> Chris Hoffstater wrote a damn good article on his blog about NVDA which

>> you can read here.

>> 

>> http://chrishofstader.com/nvda-now-more-than-ever/

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>

>

 

 

 

 

 


 

Hi,

Part of that involves users telling us how to reproduce bugs so the talented devs (inside and outside NV Access) can troubleshoot them. I’m not saying this lightly: user cooperation is also a key in making screen readers better.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 9:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

That requires NVDA start to fix bugs in a timely manner and add features that Jaws has like when you have messages rules set up and you have 14 unread messages give me the option to have that read automatically when I arrow to the NVDA folder it says NVDA14 unread messages or something like that.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of The Wolf
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 12:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

I have to agree

lets tell vfo where to shove it

and get more people to drop jaws and switch to nvda

On 5/24/2017 9:08 AM, Devin Prater wrote:

I agree, this was a great article!

 

Devin Prater
Assistive Technology in training, World Services for the Blind
Sent from Mail for windows 10

 

From: Brian's Mail list account
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 10:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

Except that every time someone says Floss to me I think of teeth.

sorry.

Brian

 

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From: "Mallard" <mallard@...>

To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 9:04 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

 

> Wow! This is great! I'll forward it to all my friends, blind and

> sighted...

> I usually donate to NVDA each time a new version comes out, but I think I

> won't wait for NVDA 2017.2 to be officially released. This time I'll make

> an early donation to celebrate this great article... (smile).

> Ciao, and thanks Christopher!

> Ollie

> Il 23/05/2017 23:47, Lino Morales ha scritto:

>> Chris Hoffstater wrote a damn good article on his blog about NVDA which

>> you can read here.

>> 

>> http://chrishofstader.com/nvda-now-more-than-ever/

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>

>

 

 

 

 

 


Dennis L <dennisl1982@...>
 

I reported it to the git hub and to Quinton I don’t know what else to do but since you asked I will report it hear as well.

1 set

www.ixquick.com as your home in internet explorer.

2 do the same in Firefox.

Now using Internet explorer do a search press h for heading  try clicking on any link in the search results  .  Nothing will happen.

If you do the same in Firefox the link will click.  I shouldn’t have to use Firefox or a browser I don’t want to use or am not comfortable with just for it to work right.  If the issues I stated were fixed I would gladly donate to NVDA.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 12:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

Hi,

Part of that involves users telling us how to reproduce bugs so the talented devs (inside and outside NV Access) can troubleshoot them. I’m not saying this lightly: user cooperation is also a key in making screen readers better.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 9:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

That requires NVDA start to fix bugs in a timely manner and add features that Jaws has like when you have messages rules set up and you have 14 unread messages give me the option to have that read automatically when I arrow to the NVDA folder it says NVDA14 unread messages or something like that.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of The Wolf
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 12:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

I have to agree

lets tell vfo where to shove it

and get more people to drop jaws and switch to nvda

On 5/24/2017 9:08 AM, Devin Prater wrote:

I agree, this was a great article!

 

Devin Prater
Assistive Technology in training, World Services for the Blind
Sent from Mail for windows 10

 

From: Brian's Mail list account
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 10:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

Except that every time someone says Floss to me I think of teeth.

sorry.

Brian

 

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From: "Mallard" <mallard@...>

To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 9:04 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

 

> Wow! This is great! I'll forward it to all my friends, blind and

> sighted...

> I usually donate to NVDA each time a new version comes out, but I think I

> won't wait for NVDA 2017.2 to be officially released. This time I'll make

> an early donation to celebrate this great article... (smile).

> Ciao, and thanks Christopher!

> Ollie

> Il 23/05/2017 23:47, Lino Morales ha scritto:

>> Chris Hoffstater wrote a damn good article on his blog about NVDA which

>> you can read here.

>> 

>> http://chrishofstader.com/nvda-now-more-than-ever/

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>

>

 

 

 

 

 


 

Hi,

Yes, reproducible. Surprisingly, it works in Edge – that is, when I press H to move to a search results heading and press ENTER, the new page opens. This looks like something odd with either the site’s code or something’s happening at our end (NVDA’s side of things). Was this issue reported via GitHub, and if so, do you have the issue number handy?

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 9:50 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

I reported it to the git hub and to Quinton I don’t know what else to do but since you asked I will report it hear as well.

1 set

www.ixquick.com as your home in internet explorer.

2 do the same in Firefox.

Now using Internet explorer do a search press h for heading  try clicking on any link in the search results  .  Nothing will happen.

If you do the same in Firefox the link will click.  I shouldn’t have to use Firefox or a browser I don’t want to use or am not comfortable with just for it to work right.  If the issues I stated were fixed I would gladly donate to NVDA.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 12:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

Hi,

Part of that involves users telling us how to reproduce bugs so the talented devs (inside and outside NV Access) can troubleshoot them. I’m not saying this lightly: user cooperation is also a key in making screen readers better.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 9:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

That requires NVDA start to fix bugs in a timely manner and add features that Jaws has like when you have messages rules set up and you have 14 unread messages give me the option to have that read automatically when I arrow to the NVDA folder it says NVDA14 unread messages or something like that.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of The Wolf
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 12:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

I have to agree

lets tell vfo where to shove it

and get more people to drop jaws and switch to nvda

On 5/24/2017 9:08 AM, Devin Prater wrote:

I agree, this was a great article!

 

Devin Prater
Assistive Technology in training, World Services for the Blind
Sent from Mail for windows 10

 

From: Brian's Mail list account
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 10:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

Except that every time someone says Floss to me I think of teeth.

sorry.

Brian

 

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From: "Mallard" <mallard@...>

To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 9:04 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

 

> Wow! This is great! I'll forward it to all my friends, blind and

> sighted...

> I usually donate to NVDA each time a new version comes out, but I think I

> won't wait for NVDA 2017.2 to be officially released. This time I'll make

> an early donation to celebrate this great article... (smile).

> Ciao, and thanks Christopher!

> Ollie

> Il 23/05/2017 23:47, Lino Morales ha scritto:

>> Chris Hoffstater wrote a damn good article on his blog about NVDA which

>> you can read here.

>> 

>> http://chrishofstader.com/nvda-now-more-than-ever/

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>

>

 

 

 

 

 


Dennis L <dennisl1982@...>
 

It was reported through github I don’t have the issue number handy my computer crashed so there went that email.    It works with any other screen reader just fine. 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 12:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

Hi,

Yes, reproducible. Surprisingly, it works in Edge – that is, when I press H to move to a search results heading and press ENTER, the new page opens. This looks like something odd with either the site’s code or something’s happening at our end (NVDA’s side of things). Was this issue reported via GitHub, and if so, do you have the issue number handy?

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 9:50 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

I reported it to the git hub and to Quinton I don’t know what else to do but since you asked I will report it hear as well.

1 set

www.ixquick.com as your home in internet explorer.

2 do the same in Firefox.

Now using Internet explorer do a search press h for heading  try clicking on any link in the search results  .  Nothing will happen.

If you do the same in Firefox the link will click.  I shouldn’t have to use Firefox or a browser I don’t want to use or am not comfortable with just for it to work right.  If the issues I stated were fixed I would gladly donate to NVDA.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 12:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

Hi,

Part of that involves users telling us how to reproduce bugs so the talented devs (inside and outside NV Access) can troubleshoot them. I’m not saying this lightly: user cooperation is also a key in making screen readers better.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 9:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

That requires NVDA start to fix bugs in a timely manner and add features that Jaws has like when you have messages rules set up and you have 14 unread messages give me the option to have that read automatically when I arrow to the NVDA folder it says NVDA14 unread messages or something like that.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of The Wolf
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 12:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

I have to agree

lets tell vfo where to shove it

and get more people to drop jaws and switch to nvda

On 5/24/2017 9:08 AM, Devin Prater wrote:

I agree, this was a great article!

 

Devin Prater
Assistive Technology in training, World Services for the Blind
Sent from Mail for windows 10

 

From: Brian's Mail list account
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 10:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

Except that every time someone says Floss to me I think of teeth.

sorry.

Brian

 

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From: "Mallard" <mallard@...>

To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 9:04 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

 

> Wow! This is great! I'll forward it to all my friends, blind and

> sighted...

> I usually donate to NVDA each time a new version comes out, but I think I

> won't wait for NVDA 2017.2 to be officially released. This time I'll make

> an early donation to celebrate this great article... (smile).

> Ciao, and thanks Christopher!

> Ollie

> Il 23/05/2017 23:47, Lino Morales ha scritto:

>> Chris Hoffstater wrote a damn good article on his blog about NVDA which

>> you can read here.

>> 

>> http://chrishofstader.com/nvda-now-more-than-ever/

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>

>

 

 

 

 

 


Dennis L <dennisl1982@...>
 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 12:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

Hi,

Yes, reproducible. Surprisingly, it works in Edge – that is, when I press H to move to a search results heading and press ENTER, the new page opens. This looks like something odd with either the site’s code or something’s happYes I’m willing to test a beta if you think you get this figured out.  Feel free to email me at

Dennisl1982@...ening at our end (NVDA’s side of things). Was this issue reported via GitHub, and if so, do you have the issue number handy?

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 9:50 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

I reported it to the git hub and to Quinton I don’t know what else to do but since you asked I will report it hear as well.

1 set

www.ixquick.com as your home in internet explorer.

2 do the same in Firefox.

Now using Internet explorer do a search press h for heading  try clicking on any link in the search results  .  Nothing will happen.

If you do the same in Firefox the link will click.  I shouldn’t have to use Firefox or a browser I don’t want to use or am not comfortable with just for it to work right.  If the issues I stated were fixed I would gladly donate to NVDA.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 12:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

Hi,

Part of that involves users telling us how to reproduce bugs so the talented devs (inside and outside NV Access) can troubleshoot them. I’m not saying this lightly: user cooperation is also a key in making screen readers better.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 9:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

That requires NVDA start to fix bugs in a timely manner and add features that Jaws has like when you have messages rules set up and you have 14 unread messages give me the option to have that read automatically when I arrow to the NVDA folder it says NVDA14 unread messages or something like that.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of The Wolf
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 12:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

I have to agree

lets tell vfo where to shove it

and get more people to drop jaws and switch to nvda

On 5/24/2017 9:08 AM, Devin Prater wrote:

I agree, this was a great article!

 

Devin Prater
Assistive Technology in training, World Services for the Blind
Sent from Mail for windows 10

 

From: Brian's Mail list account
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 10:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

Except that every time someone says Floss to me I think of teeth.

sorry.

Brian

 

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----- Original Message -----

From: "Mallard" <mallard@...>

To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 9:04 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

 

> Wow! This is great! I'll forward it to all my friends, blind and

> sighted...

> I usually donate to NVDA each time a new version comes out, but I think I

> won't wait for NVDA 2017.2 to be officially released. This time I'll make

> an early donation to celebrate this great article... (smile).

> Ciao, and thanks Christopher!

> Ollie

> Il 23/05/2017 23:47, Lino Morales ha scritto:

>> Chris Hoffstater wrote a damn good article on his blog about NVDA which

>> you can read here.

>> 

>> http://chrishofstader.com/nvda-now-more-than-ever/

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>

>

 

 

 

 

 


Gene
 

The article makes interesting points but it's really overdone.  Here is most of a message I sent to another list on the subject.  I have added more comments. 
 
The assertion that a screen-reader can make a great piece of spyware sounds plausible to me, someone without in depth technical knowledge.  I suspect that it is technically true but I hardly think that VFO would risk the reputation of JAWS by doing so.  It would be illegal on its face, I would think and it would certainly be illegal if it weren't spelled out in the user agreement.  JAWS is very heavily dependent on business use for its revenue.  As one example of liability, if JAWS collected information, anyone business or individual doing medical work in The United States where a person's name is ever used, could prosecute VFO for violating the patient privacy act.  And that's just one example that comes to mind.  Are there blind psychiatrists or psychologists or social workers or people who work for them who use JAWS to keep patient records?  Another case of devastating liability for JAWS.  How about lawyers?  The idea that the owners of JAWS would turn it into spyware is just not credible.  To paraphrase the late Justice Scalia, it should strain the credulity of the credulous.  People may criticize JAWS and its developers for various reasons but it makes no sense to believe that the company is suicidal. 
 
And what is the risk when compared to the benefits?  The blind user base isn't large enough nore affluent enough to even begin to justify such risks, even if the company were suicidal. 
 
I'd have to read the article again to see if I disagree with other assertions, but that was the one I really remember.  There is no question that NVDA is a necessary program and that it fills a vital need in many peoples' lives.  And over time, JAWS will, I would think, lose an increasing amount of market share in the personal market.  It may lose some business market share over time as well.  But when assessing the need for NVDA and its future, paranoia about the irrationality of the major competitor is not a good basis to build a good deal of the argument. 
 
If you make such assertions, you lose credibility for your assertions that are well based.  And even here, one assertion I recall is possible but highly improbable at this time.  The assertion that JAWS is more likely to disappear may be correct, but its highly improbable unless things change dramatically and it should be regarded more as a remote possibility and largely academic at this time. 
 
There are lots of compelling arguments to support and use NVDA.  But such arguments as make up much of this article, while interesting and provocative, are so far-fetched, even though possible, that they are not a good basis to form much of such arguments.  They may gain support for NVDA among some people but they may needlessly erode support among some JAWS users, making NVDA appear more like a project supported by paranoid fanatics than what it actually is, a project that is hard-headed and realistic in its development and outlook.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: The Wolf
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 11:11 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

I have to agree

lets tell vfo where to shove it

and get more people to drop jaws and switch to nvda
On 5/24/2017 9:08 AM, Devin Prater wrote:

I agree, this was a great article!

 

Devin Prater
Assistive Technology in training, World Services for the Blind
Sent from Mail for windows 10

 

From: Brian's Mail list account
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 10:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

Except that every time someone says Floss to me I think of teeth.

sorry.

Brian

 

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----- Original Message -----

From: "Mallard" <mallard@...>

To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 9:04 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

 

> Wow! This is great! I'll forward it to all my friends, blind and

> sighted...

> I usually donate to NVDA each time a new version comes out, but I think I

> won't wait for NVDA 2017.2 to be officially released. This time I'll make

> an early donation to celebrate this great article... (smile).

> Ciao, and thanks Christopher!

> Ollie

> Il 23/05/2017 23:47, Lino Morales ha scritto:

>> Chris Hoffstater wrote a damn good article on his blog about NVDA which

>> you can read here.

>> 

>> http://chrishofstader.com/nvda-now-more-than-ever/

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>

>

 

 

 

 



Rui Fontes
 

Your message is not clear!

What Windows?
What mail application?

Without details like that, is difficult to fix...

Regards,

Rui


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 9:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA





That requires NVDA start to fix bugs in a timely manner and add features that Jaws has like when you have messages rules set up and you have 14 unread messages give me the option to have that read automatically when I arrow to the NVDA folder it says NVDA14 unread messages or something like that.





From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of The Wolf
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 12:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA





I have to agree

lets tell vfo where to shove it

and get more people to drop jaws and switch to nvda



On 5/24/2017 9:08 AM, Devin Prater wrote:



I agree, this was a great article!



Devin Prater
Assistive Technology in training, World Services for the Blind
Sent from Mail for windows 10





From: Brian's Mail list account
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 10:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA





Except that every time someone says Floss to me I think of teeth.

sorry.

Brian



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----- Original Message -----

From: "Mallard" mailto:mallard@kimabe.eu

To: mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io

Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 9:04 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA





Wow! This is great! I'll forward it to all my friends, blind and
sighted...
I usually donate to NVDA each time a new version comes out, but I think I
won't wait for NVDA 2017.2 to be officially released. This time I'll make
an early donation to celebrate this great article... (smile).
Ciao, and thanks Christopher!
Ollie
Il 23/05/2017 23:47, Lino Morales ha scritto:
Chris Hoffstater wrote a damn good article on his blog about NVDA which
you can read here.
http://chrishofstader.com/nvda-now-more-than-ever/


Rui Fontes
 

Hi Joseph!

Users should point out the problems, that is a must...

But, when I, and not only me, point out problems in Windows Live Mail, ok, it is a descontinued product, but is one of the most used mail apps by brazilian and portuguese comunity, and brazilian is by far the largest NVDA comunity, all problems remain without solution because is a descontinued app or with so low priority that never will be looked...

Regards, and, please, do not considere this as a personal criticism to you or NVDA team, but only as a outdurst!

Rui Fontes


-----Mensagem Original-----
De: Joseph Lee
Data: 24 de maio de 2017 17:39
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA



Hi,

Part of that involves users telling us how to reproduce bugs so the talented devs (inside and outside NV Access) can troubleshoot them. I’m not saying this lightly: user cooperation is also a key in making screen readers better.

Cheers,

Joseph





From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 9:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA





That requires NVDA start to fix bugs in a timely manner and add features that Jaws has like when you have messages rules set up and you have 14 unread messages give me the option to have that read automatically when I arrow to the NVDA folder it says NVDA14 unread messages or something like that.





From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of The Wolf
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 12:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA





I have to agree

lets tell vfo where to shove it

and get more people to drop jaws and switch to nvda



On 5/24/2017 9:08 AM, Devin Prater wrote:



I agree, this was a great article!



Devin Prater
Assistive Technology in training, World Services for the Blind
Sent from Mail for windows 10





From: Brian's Mail list account
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 10:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA





Except that every time someone says Floss to me I think of teeth.

sorry.

Brian



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----- Original Message -----

From: "Mallard" mailto:mallard@kimabe.eu

To: mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io

Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 9:04 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA





Wow! This is great! I'll forward it to all my friends, blind and
sighted...
I usually donate to NVDA each time a new version comes out, but I think I
won't wait for NVDA 2017.2 to be officially released. This time I'll make
an early donation to celebrate this great article... (smile).
Ciao, and thanks Christopher!
Ollie
Il 23/05/2017 23:47, Lino Morales ha scritto:
Chris Hoffstater wrote a damn good article on his blog about NVDA which
you can read here.
http://chrishofstader.com/nvda-now-more-than-ever/


Dennis L <dennisl1982@...>
 

As for the mail app it should be outlook express to outlook to thunderbird it shouldn't matter the mail app. I'm using windows7.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rui Fontes
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 1:46 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

Your message is not clear!

What Windows?
What mail application?

Without details like that, is difficult to fix...

Regards,

Rui


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 9:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA





That requires NVDA start to fix bugs in a timely manner and add features that Jaws has like when you have messages rules set up and you have 14 unread messages give me the option to have that read automatically when I arrow to the NVDA folder it says NVDA14 unread messages or something like that.





From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of The Wolf
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 12:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA





I have to agree

lets tell vfo where to shove it

and get more people to drop jaws and switch to nvda



On 5/24/2017 9:08 AM, Devin Prater wrote:



I agree, this was a great article!



Devin Prater
Assistive Technology in training, World Services for the Blind Sent from Mail for windows 10





From: Brian's Mail list account
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 10:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA





Except that every time someone says Floss to me I think of teeth.

sorry.

Brian



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----- Original Message -----

From: "Mallard" mailto:mallard@kimabe.eu

To: mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io

Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 9:04 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA





Wow! This is great! I'll forward it to all my friends, blind and
sighted...
I usually donate to NVDA each time a new version comes out, but I
think I
won't wait for NVDA 2017.2 to be officially released. This time I'll
make
an early donation to celebrate this great article... (smile).
Ciao, and thanks Christopher!
Ollie
Il 23/05/2017 23:47, Lino Morales ha scritto:
Chris Hoffstater wrote a damn good article on his blog about NVDA
which
you can read here.
http://chrishofstader.com/nvda-now-more-than-ever/


Kwork
 


And I also believe that the best way to talk up NVDA isn't to tell VFO to shove it, and we, as grateful NVDA users, need to watch how we present ourselves so that we don't look ridiculous.

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 10:26 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

The article makes interesting points but it's really overdone.  Here is most of a message I sent to another list on the subject.  I have added more comments. 
 
The assertion that a screen-reader can make a great piece of spyware sounds plausible to me, someone without in depth technical knowledge.  I suspect that it is technically true but I hardly think that VFO would risk the reputation of JAWS by doing so.  It would be illegal on its face, I would think and it would certainly be illegal if it weren't spelled out in the user agreement.  JAWS is very heavily dependent on business use for its revenue.  As one example of liability, if JAWS collected information, anyone business or individual doing medical work in The United States where a person's name is ever used, could prosecute VFO for violating the patient privacy act.  And that's just one example that comes to mind.  Are there blind psychiatrists or psychologists or social workers or people who work for them who use JAWS to keep patient records?  Another case of devastating liability for JAWS.  How about lawyers?  The idea that the owners of JAWS would turn it into spyware is just not credible.  To paraphrase the late Justice Scalia, it should strain the credulity of the credulous.  People may criticize JAWS and its developers for various reasons but it makes no sense to believe that the company is suicidal. 
 
And what is the risk when compared to the benefits?  The blind user base isn't large enough nore affluent enough to even begin to justify such risks, even if the company were suicidal. 
 
I'd have to read the article again to see if I disagree with other assertions, but that was the one I really remember.  There is no question that NVDA is a necessary program and that it fills a vital need in many peoples' lives.  And over time, JAWS will, I would think, lose an increasing amount of market share in the personal market.  It may lose some business market share over time as well.  But when assessing the need for NVDA and its future, paranoia about the irrationality of the major competitor is not a good basis to build a good deal of the argument. 
 
If you make such assertions, you lose credibility for your assertions that are well based.  And even here, one assertion I recall is possible but highly improbable at this time.  The assertion that JAWS is more likely to disappear may be correct, but its highly improbable unless things change dramatically and it should be regarded more as a remote possibility and largely academic at this time. 
 
There are lots of compelling arguments to support and use NVDA.  But such arguments as make up much of this article, while interesting and provocative, are so far-fetched, even though possible, that they are not a good basis to form much of such arguments.  They may gain support for NVDA among some people but they may needlessly erode support among some JAWS users, making NVDA appear more like a project supported by paranoid fanatics than what it actually is, a project that is hard-headed and realistic in its development and outlook.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: The Wolf
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 11:11 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

I have to agree

lets tell vfo where to shove it

and get more people to drop jaws and switch to nvda
On 5/24/2017 9:08 AM, Devin Prater wrote:

I agree, this was a great article!

 

Devin Prater
Assistive Technology in training, World Services for the Blind
Sent from Mail for windows 10

 

From: Brian's Mail list account
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 10:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

Except that every time someone says Floss to me I think of teeth.

sorry.

Brian

 

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----- Original Message -----

From: "Mallard" <mallard@...>

To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 9:04 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

 

> Wow! This is great! I'll forward it to all my friends, blind and

> sighted...

> I usually donate to NVDA each time a new version comes out, but I think I

> won't wait for NVDA 2017.2 to be officially released. This time I'll make

> an early donation to celebrate this great article... (smile).

> Ciao, and thanks Christopher!

> Ollie

> Il 23/05/2017 23:47, Lino Morales ha scritto:

>> Chris Hoffstater wrote a damn good article on his blog about NVDA which

>> you can read here.

>> 

>> http://chrishofstader.com/nvda-now-more-than-ever/

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>

>

 

 

 

 



Gene
 

One bug on one site is hardly a reason not to donate.  Demanding users of any screen-reader probably are aware of at least one bugg in whatever screen-reader they use. 
 
Internet Explorer is increasingly archaic and it isn't a good idea to cling to it.  You will have more and more problems over time as it becomes increasingly outdated.  I have no objection to this bug being looked into.  But I'm saying that Internet Explorer is not being developed and hasn't been for years.  Other browsers are just about identical to use for browsing.  Browse mode is browse mode in any browser that supports it. 
 
You have to learn something about working with settings in different browsers because the actual interface is different but there isn't much to learn whether you use Chrome or Firefox as the main browser.  Most of what you do will be exactly the same.  And Firefox has features that Internet Explorer doesn't have that are of real advantage to many users if you know them.  I would never go back to Internet Explorer after seeing how useful certain firefox features are.  
 
I try to encourage blind people to stop using Internet Explorer as their main browser because it is not a good idea to do so with a browser that becomes more outdated every day.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Dennis L
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 11:49 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

I reported it to the git hub and to Quinton I don’t know what else to do but since you asked I will report it hear as well.

1 set

www.ixquick.com as your home in internet explorer.

2 do the same in Firefox.

Now using Internet explorer do a search press h for heading  try clicking on any link in the search results  .  Nothing will happen.

If you do the same in Firefox the link will click.  I shouldn’t have to use Firefox or a browser I don’t want to use or am not comfortable with just for it to work right.  If the issues I stated were fixed I would gladly donate to NVDA.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 12:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

Hi,

Part of that involves users telling us how to reproduce bugs so the talented devs (inside and outside NV Access) can troubleshoot them. I’m not saying this lightly: user cooperation is also a key in making screen readers better.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 9:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

That requires NVDA start to fix bugs in a timely manner and add features that Jaws has like when you have messages rules set up and you have 14 unread messages give me the option to have that read automatically when I arrow to the NVDA folder it says NVDA14 unread messages or something like that.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of The Wolf
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 12:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

I have to agree

lets tell vfo where to shove it

and get more people to drop jaws and switch to nvda

On 5/24/2017 9:08 AM, Devin Prater wrote:

I agree, this was a great article!

 

Devin Prater
Assistive Technology in training, World Services for the Blind
Sent from Mail for windows 10

 

From: Brian's Mail list account
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 10:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

Except that every time someone says Floss to me I think of teeth.

sorry.

Brian

 

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From: "Mallard" <mallard@...>

To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 9:04 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

 

> Wow! This is great! I'll forward it to all my friends, blind and

> sighted...

> I usually donate to NVDA each time a new version comes out, but I think I

> won't wait for NVDA 2017.2 to be officially released. This time I'll make

> an early donation to celebrate this great article... (smile).

> Ciao, and thanks Christopher!

> Ollie

> Il 23/05/2017 23:47, Lino Morales ha scritto:

>> Chris Hoffstater wrote a damn good article on his blog about NVDA which

>> you can read here.

>> 

>> http://chrishofstader.com/nvda-now-more-than-ever/

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>

>