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Nikos Demetriou #19105 Hi all. Sorry if this issue has been discussed before. I don't know what is going on with laptop sound cards these days, but nvda doesn't seam to work well with some of them. I tried nvda on toshiba laptops, hp laptops and lenovo laptops and I didn't like the way nvda responds and sounds like. I have got the impression that this problem started under windows vista or 7 and above. I didn't find similar situations under windows xp. I was using espeak in all situations. I don't want to imagine how it would sound like with vocalizer or some other hi-q sapi5 voices which are heavier in resorces. I found the following issues. Sometimes nvda responds with some delay after we press a button on the keyboard. The sound card cuts sometimes the beginning and the end of a word or sentence. The sound card doesn't seam to cope well when doing things quickly such as typing, or when pressing arrow keys rubbitly. Sometimes the issue can be fixed if we disable all the enhancements under playback settings but this option is not available in some laptops. I am not very familiar with the issues system yet. I searched but I didn't find something on laptops, sound cards, espeak etc. If there isn't a similar issue perhaps I can create a new one. Yesterday I encountered a very unusual situation where nvda was working well on a lenovo laptop, but it became very slow in responding after updating to the latest creators update of windows 10. Narator on this particular laptop was responding well with the windows 10 voices. I don't know if it would be possible to have different bitrates to choose for espeak in cases where nvda is not very responsive in some sound cards. So what are your experiences with laptops these days and how did you fix any sound issues? I don't know the exact models right now because the laptops belong to friends but if necessary I can find out. Thanks Nikos
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Gerardo Corripio #19106 Weird! I've been using NVDA for a bit over two years without sound problems on an HP Laptop running Windows7. El 31/05/2017 a las 06:24 a.m., Nikos Demetriou via Groups.Io escribió: Hi all. Sorry if this issue has been discussed before. I don't know what is going on with laptop sound cards these days, but nvda doesn't seam to work well with some of them. I tried nvda on toshiba laptops, hp laptops and lenovo laptops and I didn't like the way nvda responds and sounds like. I have got the impression that this problem started under windows vista or 7 and above. I didn't find similar situations under windows xp. I was using espeak in all situations. I don't want to imagine how it would sound like with vocalizer or some other hi-q sapi5 voices which are heavier in resorces. I found the following issues. Sometimes nvda responds with some delay after we press a button on the keyboard. The sound card cuts sometimes the beginning and the end of a word or sentence. The sound card doesn't seam to cope well when doing things quickly such as typing, or when pressing arrow keys rubbitly. Sometimes the issue can be fixed if we disable all the enhancements under playback settings but this option is not available in some laptops. I am not very familiar with the issues system yet. I searched but I didn't find something on laptops, sound cards, espeak etc. If there isn't a similar issue perhaps I can create a new one. Yesterday I encountered a very unusual situation where nvda was working well on a lenovo laptop, but it became very slow in responding after updating to the latest creators update of windows 10. Narator on this particular laptop was responding well with the windows 10 voices. I don't know if it would be possible to have different bitrates to choose for espeak in cases where nvda is not very responsive in some sound cards. So what are your experiences with laptops these days and how did you fix any sound issues? I don't know the exact models right now because the laptops belong to friends but if necessary I can find out. Thanks Nikos -- Gera Enviado desde Thunderbird
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Nikos Demetriou #19107 Hi. My hp from 2012 running windows 7 had sound problems. It was running beats audio sound card with its own drivers. At the end I had to disable the beats audio sound and enable the generic windows sound driver. The sound is not as good now but at least it is more responsive. I don't even remember how I did this I found instructions on youtube. Another thing that I don't like on laptops these days which hasn't got anything to do with sound is the fact that they don't include the applications key any more. Very annoying. And finally the fact that you have to press the fn key in combination with the function keys to perform windows functions such as rename, refresh etc. I know you can fix this from the bios but you need sighted assistance to do it. I think they are getting worst instead of any better. Nikos toggle quoted message Show quoted text On 31 May 2017 at 14:33, Gerardo Corripio <gera1027@...> wrote: Weird! I've been using NVDA for a bit over two years without sound problems on an HP Laptop running Windows7. El 31/05/2017 a las 06:24 a.m., Nikos Demetriou via Groups.Io escribió: Hi all. Sorry if this issue has been discussed before. I don't know what is going on with laptop sound cards these days, but nvda doesn't seam to work well with some of them. I tried nvda on toshiba laptops, hp laptops and lenovo laptops and I didn't like the way nvda responds and sounds like. I have got the impression that this problem started under windows vista or 7 and above. I didn't find similar situations under windows xp. I was using espeak in all situations. I don't want to imagine how it would sound like with vocalizer or some other hi-q sapi5 voices which are heavier in resorces. I found the following issues. Sometimes nvda responds with some delay after we press a button on the keyboard. The sound card cuts sometimes the beginning and the end of a word or sentence. The sound card doesn't seam to cope well when doing things quickly such as typing, or when pressing arrow keys rubbitly. Sometimes the issue can be fixed if we disable all the enhancements under playback settings but this option is not available in some laptops. I am not very familiar with the issues system yet. I searched but I didn't find something on laptops, sound cards, espeak etc. If there isn't a similar issue perhaps I can create a new one. Yesterday I encountered a very unusual situation where nvda was working well on a lenovo laptop, but it became very slow in responding after updating to the latest creators update of windows 10. Narator on this particular laptop was responding well with the windows 10 voices. I don't know if it would be possible to have different bitrates to choose for espeak in cases where nvda is not very responsive in some sound cards. So what are your experiences with laptops these days and how did you fix any sound issues? I don't know the exact models right now because the laptops belong to friends but if necessary I can find out. Thanks Nikos -- Gera Enviado desde Thunderbird
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Gerardo Corripio #19108 OH that's why I haven't noticed problems with mine: it's from 2011, and it's running the Windows soundcard whose name I can't remember off the top of my head. Thanks for letting us know about the annoyance of the FN-key on laptops! I guess I'd have to buy myself either a Bluetooth keyboard then to use instead of the Laptop's? El 31/05/2017 a las 06:42 a.m., Nikos Demetriou via Groups.Io escribió: Hi. My hp from 2012 running windows 7 had sound problems. It was running beats audio sound card with its own drivers. At the end I had to disable the beats audio sound and enable the generic windows sound driver. The sound is not as good now but at least it is more responsive. I don't even remember how I did this I found instructions on youtube. Another thing that I don't like on laptops these days which hasn't got anything to do with sound is the fact that they don't include the applications key any more. Very annoying. And finally the fact that you have to press the fn key in combination with the function keys to perform windows functions such as rename, refresh etc. I know you can fix this from the bios but you need sighted assistance to do it. I think they are getting worst instead of any better. Nikos On 31 May 2017 at 14:33, Gerardo Corripio <gera1027@...> wrote: Weird! I've been using NVDA for a bit over two years without sound problems on an HP Laptop running Windows7. El 31/05/2017 a las 06:24 a.m., Nikos Demetriou via Groups.Io escribió: Hi all. Sorry if this issue has been discussed before. I don't know what is going on with laptop sound cards these days, but nvda doesn't seam to work well with some of them. I tried nvda on toshiba laptops, hp laptops and lenovo laptops and I didn't like the way nvda responds and sounds like. I have got the impression that this problem started under windows vista or 7 and above. I didn't find similar situations under windows xp. I was using espeak in all situations. I don't want to imagine how it would sound like with vocalizer or some other hi-q sapi5 voices which are heavier in resorces. I found the following issues. Sometimes nvda responds with some delay after we press a button on the keyboard. The sound card cuts sometimes the beginning and the end of a word or sentence. The sound card doesn't seam to cope well when doing things quickly such as typing, or when pressing arrow keys rubbitly. Sometimes the issue can be fixed if we disable all the enhancements under playback settings but this option is not available in some laptops. I am not very familiar with the issues system yet. I searched but I didn't find something on laptops, sound cards, espeak etc. If there isn't a similar issue perhaps I can create a new one. Yesterday I encountered a very unusual situation where nvda was working well on a lenovo laptop, but it became very slow in responding after updating to the latest creators update of windows 10. Narator on this particular laptop was responding well with the windows 10 voices. I don't know if it would be possible to have different bitrates to choose for espeak in cases where nvda is not very responsive in some sound cards. So what are your experiences with laptops these days and how did you fix any sound issues? I don't know the exact models right now because the laptops belong to friends but if necessary I can find out. Thanks Nikos -- Gera Enviado desde Thunderbird -- Gera Enviado desde Thunderbird
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Brian's Mail list account #19111 I've noticed this with A friends Dell, it clips off the end of things as if some kind of time limit or noise gate is in use.. I could only solve it with an external usb device as the driver seemed to do this on many voices and indeed even on some effects inside programs. I cannot see why they do this as I'd have thought that sound was important. How do they play audio if it cuts out all the time? Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. toggle quoted message Show quoted text ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nikos Demetriou via Groups.Io" <nikosdemetriou@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 12:24 PM Subject: [nvda] Laptops and sound issues Hi all. Sorry if this issue has been discussed before. I don't know what is going on with laptop sound cards these days, but nvda doesn't seam to work well with some of them. I tried nvda on toshiba laptops, hp laptops and lenovo laptops and I didn't like the way nvda responds and sounds like. I have got the impression that this problem started under windows vista or 7 and above. I didn't find similar situations under windows xp. I was using espeak in all situations. I don't want to imagine how it would sound like with vocalizer or some other hi-q sapi5 voices which are heavier in resorces. I found the following issues. Sometimes nvda responds with some delay after we press a button on the keyboard. The sound card cuts sometimes the beginning and the end of a word or sentence. The sound card doesn't seam to cope well when doing things quickly such as typing, or when pressing arrow keys rubbitly. Sometimes the issue can be fixed if we disable all the enhancements under playback settings but this option is not available in some laptops. I am not very familiar with the issues system yet. I searched but I didn't find something on laptops, sound cards, espeak etc. If there isn't a similar issue perhaps I can create a new one. Yesterday I encountered a very unusual situation where nvda was working well on a lenovo laptop, but it became very slow in responding after updating to the latest creators update of windows 10. Narator on this particular laptop was responding well with the windows 10 voices. I don't know if it would be possible to have different bitrates to choose for espeak in cases where nvda is not very responsive in some sound cards. So what are your experiences with laptops these days and how did you fix any sound issues? I don't know the exact models right now because the laptops belong to friends but if necessary I can find out. Thanks Nikos
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Brian's Mail list account #19112 I'd agree, in fact next laptop I buy I'll stipulate they turn off all media function keys by default as I'm no concert pianist. Beats is what the Dell had. Maybe its some 'enhancement' of some dubious kind. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. toggle quoted message Show quoted text ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nikos Demetriou via Groups.Io" <nikosdemetriou@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 12:42 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Laptops and sound issues Hi. My hp from 2012 running windows 7 had sound problems. It was running beats audio sound card with its own drivers. At the end I had to disable the beats audio sound and enable the generic windows sound driver. The sound is not as good now but at least it is more responsive. I don't even remember how I did this I found instructions on youtube. Another thing that I don't like on laptops these days which hasn't got anything to do with sound is the fact that they don't include the applications key any more. Very annoying. And finally the fact that you have to press the fn key in combination with the function keys to perform windows functions such as rename, refresh etc. I know you can fix this from the bios but you need sighted assistance to do it. I think they are getting worst instead of any better. Nikos On 31 May 2017 at 14:33, Gerardo Corripio <gera1027@...> wrote: Weird! I've been using NVDA for a bit over two years without sound problems on an HP Laptop running Windows7. El 31/05/2017 a las 06:24 a.m., Nikos Demetriou via Groups.Io escribió: Hi all. Sorry if this issue has been discussed before. I don't know what is going on with laptop sound cards these days, but nvda doesn't seam to work well with some of them. I tried nvda on toshiba laptops, hp laptops and lenovo laptops and I didn't like the way nvda responds and sounds like. I have got the impression that this problem started under windows vista or 7 and above. I didn't find similar situations under windows xp. I was using espeak in all situations. I don't want to imagine how it would sound like with vocalizer or some other hi-q sapi5 voices which are heavier in resorces. I found the following issues. Sometimes nvda responds with some delay after we press a button on the keyboard. The sound card cuts sometimes the beginning and the end of a word or sentence. The sound card doesn't seam to cope well when doing things quickly such as typing, or when pressing arrow keys rubbitly. Sometimes the issue can be fixed if we disable all the enhancements under playback settings but this option is not available in some laptops. I am not very familiar with the issues system yet. I searched but I didn't find something on laptops, sound cards, espeak etc. If there isn't a similar issue perhaps I can create a new one. Yesterday I encountered a very unusual situation where nvda was working well on a lenovo laptop, but it became very slow in responding after updating to the latest creators update of windows 10. Narator on this particular laptop was responding well with the windows 10 voices. I don't know if it would be possible to have different bitrates to choose for espeak in cases where nvda is not very responsive in some sound cards. So what are your experiences with laptops these days and how did you fix any sound issues? I don't know the exact models right now because the laptops belong to friends but if necessary I can find out. Thanks Nikos -- Gera Enviado desde Thunderbird
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Brian's Mail list account #19113 No you just need to be firm with where you buy it. Its the job of a few seconds for a sighted person normally, to go into the bios at boot up and change the settings of the function keys so fn needs to be pressed to get the special media functions not the other way around. also the application key can be done by two other keys, one of them a function key which is why this has to be off otherwise its three keys and almost impossible. I'd also never entertain again any laptop with no keypad. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. toggle quoted message Show quoted text ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerardo Corripio" <gera1027@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 12:56 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Laptops and sound issues OH that's why I haven't noticed problems with mine: it's from 2011, and it's running the Windows soundcard whose name I can't remember off the top of my head. Thanks for letting us know about the annoyance of the FN-key on laptops! I guess I'd have to buy myself either a Bluetooth keyboard then to use instead of the Laptop's? El 31/05/2017 a las 06:42 a.m., Nikos Demetriou via Groups.Io escribió: Hi. My hp from 2012 running windows 7 had sound problems. It was running beats audio sound card with its own drivers. At the end I had to disable the beats audio sound and enable the generic windows sound driver. The sound is not as good now but at least it is more responsive. I don't even remember how I did this I found instructions on youtube. Another thing that I don't like on laptops these days which hasn't got anything to do with sound is the fact that they don't include the applications key any more. Very annoying. And finally the fact that you have to press the fn key in combination with the function keys to perform windows functions such as rename, refresh etc. I know you can fix this from the bios but you need sighted assistance to do it. I think they are getting worst instead of any better. Nikos On 31 May 2017 at 14:33, Gerardo Corripio <gera1027@... <mailto:gera1027@...>> wrote: Weird! I've been using NVDA for a bit over two years without sound problems on an HP Laptop running Windows7. El 31/05/2017 a las 06:24 a.m., Nikos Demetriou via Groups.Io escribió: Hi all. Sorry if this issue has been discussed before. I don't know what is going on with laptop sound cards these days, but nvda doesn't seam to work well with some of them. I tried nvda on toshiba laptops, hp laptops and lenovo laptops and I didn't like the way nvda responds and sounds like. I have got the impression that this problem started under windows vista or 7 and above. I didn't find similar situations under windows xp. I was using espeak in all situations. I don't want to imagine how it would sound like with vocalizer or some other hi-q sapi5 voices which are heavier in resorces. I found the following issues. Sometimes nvda responds with some delay after we press a button on the keyboard. The sound card cuts sometimes the beginning and the end of a word or sentence. The sound card doesn't seam to cope well when doing things quickly such as typing, or when pressing arrow keys rubbitly. Sometimes the issue can be fixed if we disable all the enhancements under playback settings but this option is not available in some laptops. I am not very familiar with the issues system yet. I searched but I didn't find something on laptops, sound cards, espeak etc. If there isn't a similar issue perhaps I can create a new one. Yesterday I encountered a very unusual situation where nvda was working well on a lenovo laptop, but it became very slow in responding after updating to the latest creators update of windows 10. Narator on this particular laptop was responding well with the windows 10 voices. I don't know if it would be possible to have different bitrates to choose for espeak in cases where nvda is not very responsive in some sound cards. So what are your experiences with laptops these days and how did you fix any sound issues? I don't know the exact models right now because the laptops belong to friends but if necessary I can find out. Thanks Nikos -- Gera Enviado desde Thunderbird -- Gera Enviado desde Thunderbird
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Nikos Demetriou #19114 Ok dell was my last hope. It was the only make I didn't try yet and I was hoping that they left the sound drivers alone. The problem is that we won't know these types of problems unless if we try nvda on them before we buy because on laptop specks sound gets very little mention or even not at all. We know about the processor, the hard drive, the ram, connectivity but not the sound. Nikos toggle quoted message Show quoted text On 31 May 2017 at 15:10, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...> wrote: I've noticed this with A friends Dell, it clips off the end of things as if some kind of time limit or noise gate is in use.. I could only solve it with an external usb device as the driver seemed to do this on many voices and indeed even on some effects inside programs. I cannot see why they do this as I'd have thought that sound was important. How do they play audio if it cuts out all the time? Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nikos Demetriou via Groups.Io" <nikosdemetriou=googlemail.com@groups.io> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 12:24 PM Subject: [nvda] Laptops and sound issues Hi all. Sorry if this issue has been discussed before. I don't know what is going on with laptop sound cards these days, but nvda doesn't seam to work well with some of them. I tried nvda on toshiba laptops, hp laptops and lenovo laptops and I didn't like the way nvda responds and sounds like. I have got the impression that this problem started under windows vista or 7 and above. I didn't find similar situations under windows xp. I was using espeak in all situations. I don't want to imagine how it would sound like with vocalizer or some other hi-q sapi5 voices which are heavier in resorces. I found the following issues. Sometimes nvda responds with some delay after we press a button on the keyboard. The sound card cuts sometimes the beginning and the end of a word or sentence. The sound card doesn't seam to cope well when doing things quickly such as typing, or when pressing arrow keys rubbitly. Sometimes the issue can be fixed if we disable all the enhancements under playback settings but this option is not available in some laptops. I am not very familiar with the issues system yet. I searched but I didn't find something on laptops, sound cards, espeak etc. If there isn't a similar issue perhaps I can create a new one. Yesterday I encountered a very unusual situation where nvda was working well on a lenovo laptop, but it became very slow in responding after updating to the latest creators update of windows 10. Narator on this particular laptop was responding well with the windows 10 voices. I don't know if it would be possible to have different bitrates to choose for espeak in cases where nvda is not very responsive in some sound cards. So what are your experiences with laptops these days and how did you fix any sound issues? I don't know the exact models right now because the laptops belong to friends but if necessary I can find out. Thanks Nikos
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Nikos Demetriou #19115 Yes shift+f10 simulates a right click but if i remember right it doesn't work in some situations maybe on the system tray I don't remember. Nikos toggle quoted message Show quoted text On 31 May 2017 at 15:17, Nikos Demetriou via Groups.Io <nikosdemetriou@...> wrote: Ok dell was my last hope. It was the only make I didn't try yet and I was hoping that they left the sound drivers alone. The problem is that we won't know these types of problems unless if we try nvda on them before we buy because on laptop specks sound gets very little mention or even not at all. We know about the processor, the hard drive, the ram, connectivity but not the sound. Nikos On 31 May 2017 at 15:10, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...> wrote: I've noticed this with A friends Dell, it clips off the end of things as if some kind of time limit or noise gate is in use.. I could only solve it with an external usb device as the driver seemed to do this on many voices and indeed even on some effects inside programs. I cannot see why they do this as I'd have thought that sound was important. How do they play audio if it cuts out all the time? Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nikos Demetriou via Groups.Io" <nikosdemetriou=googlemail.com@groups.io> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 12:24 PM Subject: [nvda] Laptops and sound issues Hi all. Sorry if this issue has been discussed before. I don't know what is going on with laptop sound cards these days, but nvda doesn't seam to work well with some of them. I tried nvda on toshiba laptops, hp laptops and lenovo laptops and I didn't like the way nvda responds and sounds like. I have got the impression that this problem started under windows vista or 7 and above. I didn't find similar situations under windows xp. I was using espeak in all situations. I don't want to imagine how it would sound like with vocalizer or some other hi-q sapi5 voices which are heavier in resorces. I found the following issues. Sometimes nvda responds with some delay after we press a button on the keyboard. The sound card cuts sometimes the beginning and the end of a word or sentence. The sound card doesn't seam to cope well when doing things quickly such as typing, or when pressing arrow keys rubbitly. Sometimes the issue can be fixed if we disable all the enhancements under playback settings but this option is not available in some laptops. I am not very familiar with the issues system yet. I searched but I didn't find something on laptops, sound cards, espeak etc. If there isn't a similar issue perhaps I can create a new one. Yesterday I encountered a very unusual situation where nvda was working well on a lenovo laptop, but it became very slow in responding after updating to the latest creators update of windows 10. Narator on this particular laptop was responding well with the windows 10 voices. I don't know if it would be possible to have different bitrates to choose for espeak in cases where nvda is not very responsive in some sound cards. So what are your experiences with laptops these days and how did you fix any sound issues? I don't know the exact models right now because the laptops belong to friends but if necessary I can find out. Thanks Nikos
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Gene #19121 You don't necessarily have to do this in the BIOS. Some, perhaps many computers allow this to be done in Windows. I don't recall where you do it so I hope others will discuss the matter. Gene toggle quoted message Show quoted text ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian's Mail list account Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 7:15 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Laptops and sound issues No you just need to be firm with where you buy it. Its the job of a few seconds for a sighted person normally, to go into the bios at boot up and change the settings of the function keys so fn needs to be pressed to get the special media functions not the other way around. also the application key can be done by two other keys, one of them a function key which is why this has to be off otherwise its three keys and almost impossible. I'd also never entertain again any laptop with no keypad. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerardo Corripio" <gera1027@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 12:56 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Laptops and sound issues > OH that's why I haven't noticed problems with mine: it's from 2011, and > it's running the Windows soundcard whose name I can't remember off the > top of my head. Thanks for letting us know about the annoyance of the > FN-key on laptops! I guess I'd have to buy myself either a Bluetooth > keyboard then to use instead of the Laptop's? > > > El 31/05/2017 a las 06:42 a.m., Nikos Demetriou via Groups.Io escribió: >> Hi. >> My hp from 2012 running windows 7 had sound problems. >> It was running beats audio sound card with its own drivers. >> At the end I had to disable the beats audio sound and enable the >> generic windows sound driver. >> The sound is not as good now but at least it is more responsive. >> >> I don't even remember how I did this I found instructions on youtube. >> >> Another thing that I don't like on laptops these days which hasn't got >> anything to do with sound is the fact that they don't include the >> applications key any more. >> Very annoying. >> And finally the fact that you have to press the fn key in combination >> with the function keys to perform windows functions such as rename, >> refresh etc. >> I know you can fix this from the bios but you need sighted assistance >> to do it. >> >> I think they are getting worst instead of any better. >> Nikos >> >> On 31 May 2017 at 14:33, Gerardo Corripio <gera1027@... >> <mailto:gera1027@...>> wrote: >> >> Weird! I've been using NVDA for a bit over two years without sound >> problems on an HP Laptop running Windows7. >> >> >> El 31/05/2017 a las 06:24 a.m., Nikos Demetriou via Groups.Io >> escribió: >>> Hi all. >>> Sorry if this issue has been discussed before. >>> I don't know what is going on with laptop sound cards these days, >>> but nvda doesn't seam to work well with some of them. >>> >>> I tried nvda on toshiba laptops, hp laptops and lenovo laptops >>> and I didn't like the way nvda responds and sounds like. >>> I have got the impression that this problem started under windows >>> vista or 7 and above. >>> I didn't find similar situations under windows xp. >>> I was using espeak in all situations. >>> I don't want to imagine how it would sound like with vocalizer or >>> some other hi-q sapi5 voices which are heavier in resorces. >>> I found the following issues. >>> Sometimes nvda responds with some delay after we press a button >>> on the keyboard. >>> The sound card cuts sometimes the beginning and the end of a word >>> or sentence. >>> The sound card doesn't seam to cope well when doing things >>> quickly such as typing, or when pressing arrow keys rubbitly. >>> >>> Sometimes the issue can be fixed if we disable all the >>> enhancements under playback settings but this option is not >>> available in some laptops. >>> >>> I am not very familiar with the issues system yet. >>> I searched but I didn't find something on laptops, sound cards, >>> espeak etc. >>> If there isn't a similar issue perhaps I can create a new one. >>> >>> Yesterday I encountered a very unusual situation where nvda was >>> working well on a lenovo laptop, but it became very slow in >>> responding after updating to the latest creators update of >>> windows 10. >>> >>> Narator on this particular laptop was responding well with the >>> windows 10 voices. >>> I don't know if it would be possible to have different bitrates >>> to choose for espeak in cases where nvda is not very responsive >>> in some sound cards. >>> >>> So what are your experiences with laptops these days and how did >>> you fix any sound issues? >>> I don't know the exact models right now because the laptops >>> belong to friends but if necessary I can find out. >>> Thanks >>> Nikos >> >> -- >> Gera >> Enviado desde Thunderbird >> >> >> > > -- > Gera > Enviado desde Thunderbird > >
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Gene #19122 But it is probably the case that you can use another driver, as (I believe you said you did in another message. I had a similar problem and I solved it by turning off enhancements. I don't have a Del and I don't have the sound card you do but that's what I did. I have a very common sound card, a Connexium (spelling.) I doubt this problem is generally hard to solve. My guess is that it is one of the easiest to solve. Computers are becoming increasingly consumer devices and so increasing nonsense is done to them to make them appeal to consumers who view computers increasingly as toys. Everything is trivialized in modern consumer culture, if you will forgive the editorial aside. Gene toggle quoted message Show quoted text ----- Original Message ----- From: Nikos Demetriou via Groups.Io Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 7:17 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Laptops and sound issues Ok dell was my last hope. It was the only make I didn't try yet and I was hoping that they left the sound drivers alone. The problem is that we won't know these types of problems unless if we try nvda on them before we buy because on laptop specks sound gets very little mention or even not at all. We know about the processor, the hard drive, the ram, connectivity but not the sound. Nikos On 31 May 2017 at 15:10, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...> wrote: I've noticed this with A friends Dell, it clips off the end of things as if some kind of time limit or noise gate is in use.. I could only solve it with an external usb device as the driver seemed to do this on many voices and indeed even on some effects inside programs. I cannot see why they do this as I'd have thought that sound was important. How do they play audio if it cuts out all the time? Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nikos Demetriou via Groups.Io" <nikosdemetriou=googlemail.com@groups.io> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 12:24 PM Subject: [nvda] Laptops and sound issues Hi all. Sorry if this issue has been discussed before. I don't know what is going on with laptop sound cards these days, but nvda doesn't seam to work well with some of them. I tried nvda on toshiba laptops, hp laptops and lenovo laptops and I didn't like the way nvda responds and sounds like. I have got the impression that this problem started under windows vista or 7 and above. I didn't find similar situations under windows xp. I was using espeak in all situations. I don't want to imagine how it would sound like with vocalizer or some other hi-q sapi5 voices which are heavier in resorces. I found the following issues. Sometimes nvda responds with some delay after we press a button on the keyboard. The sound card cuts sometimes the beginning and the end of a word or sentence. The sound card doesn't seam to cope well when doing things quickly such as typing, or when pressing arrow keys rubbitly. Sometimes the issue can be fixed if we disable all the enhancements under playback settings but this option is not available in some laptops. I am not very familiar with the issues system yet. I searched but I didn't find something on laptops, sound cards, espeak etc. If there isn't a similar issue perhaps I can create a new one. Yesterday I encountered a very unusual situation where nvda was working well on a lenovo laptop, but it became very slow in responding after updating to the latest creators update of windows 10. Narator on this particular laptop was responding well with the windows 10 voices. I don't know if it would be possible to have different bitrates to choose for espeak in cases where nvda is not very responsive in some sound cards. So what are your experiences with laptops these days and how did you fix any sound issues? I don't know the exact models right now because the laptops belong to friends but if necessary I can find out. Thanks Nikos
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Chris Mullins #19156 Hi Nicos I recently came across a Dell laptop where the application key was accessed using the FN key + right control. Cheers Chris toggle quoted message Show quoted text From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Nikos Demetriou via Groups.Io Sent: 31 May 2017 12:43 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Laptops and sound issues Hi. My hp from 2012 running windows 7 had sound problems. It was running beats audio sound card with its own drivers. At the end I had to disable the beats audio sound and enable the generic windows sound driver. The sound is not as good now but at least it is more responsive. I don't even remember how I did this I found instructions on youtube. Another thing that I don't like on laptops these days which hasn't got anything to do with sound is the fact that they don't include the applications key any more. Very annoying. And finally the fact that you have to press the fn key in combination with the function keys to perform windows functions such as rename, refresh etc. I know you can fix this from the bios but you need sighted assistance to do it. I think they are getting worst instead of any better. Nikos On 31 May 2017 at 14:33, Gerardo Corripio <gera1027@...> wrote: Weird! I've been using NVDA for a bit over two years without sound problems on an HP Laptop running Windows7. El 31/05/2017 a las 06:24 a.m., Nikos Demetriou via Groups.Io escribió: Hi all. Sorry if this issue has been discussed before. I don't know what is going on with laptop sound cards these days, but nvda doesn't seam to work well with some of them. I tried nvda on toshiba laptops, hp laptops and lenovo laptops and I didn't like the way nvda responds and sounds like. I have got the impression that this problem started under windows vista or 7 and above. I didn't find similar situations under windows xp. I was using espeak in all situations. I don't want to imagine how it would sound like with vocalizer or some other hi-q sapi5 voices which are heavier in resorces. I found the following issues. Sometimes nvda responds with some delay after we press a button on the keyboard. The sound card cuts sometimes the beginning and the end of a word or sentence. The sound card doesn't seam to cope well when doing things quickly such as typing, or when pressing arrow keys rubbitly. Sometimes the issue can be fixed if we disable all the enhancements under playback settings but this option is not available in some laptops. I am not very familiar with the issues system yet. I searched but I didn't find something on laptops, sound cards, espeak etc. If there isn't a similar issue perhaps I can create a new one. Yesterday I encountered a very unusual situation where nvda was working well on a lenovo laptop, but it became very slow in responding after updating to the latest creators update of windows 10. Narator on this particular laptop was responding well with the windows 10 voices. I don't know if it would be possible to have different bitrates to choose for espeak in cases where nvda is not very responsive in some sound cards. So what are your experiences with laptops these days and how did you fix any sound issues? I don't know the exact models right now because the laptops belong to friends but if necessary I can find out. Thanks Nikos -- Gera Enviado desde Thunderbird
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Brian's Mail list account #19210 I'd agree but to my ears, no matter how hyped up they get about sound on laptops they all sound tinny and rattle the keys if played loud. I think the suck it and see approach is going to be the only way out. Its not unknown for some desktops to suffer from these issues as well. sometimes one can select a speaker config that will turn all the fancy rubbish off, but finding it and finding if its accessible are other challenges. I tend to use a little sound box plugged into usb myself on all machines as often the internal sound output is noisy with interference generated inside the computer so if you want good sound, say through a hi fi you are not going to get it without an external card and often a powered hub to get rid of 5v line noise on the usb as well... sigh. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. toggle quoted message Show quoted text ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nikos Demetriou via Groups.Io" <nikosdemetriou@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Laptops and sound issues Ok dell was my last hope. It was the only make I didn't try yet and I was hoping that they left the sound drivers alone. The problem is that we won't know these types of problems unless if we try nvda on them before we buy because on laptop specks sound gets very little mention or even not at all. We know about the processor, the hard drive, the ram, connectivity but not the sound. Nikos On 31 May 2017 at 15:10, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@... wrote: I've noticed this with A friends Dell, it clips off the end of things as if some kind of time limit or noise gate is in use.. I could only solve it with an external usb device as the driver seemed to do this on many voices and indeed even on some effects inside programs. I cannot see why they do this as I'd have thought that sound was important. How do they play audio if it cuts out all the time? Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nikos Demetriou via Groups.Io" <nikosdemetriou@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 12:24 PM Subject: [nvda] Laptops and sound issues Hi all. Sorry if this issue has been discussed before. I don't know what is going on with laptop sound cards these days, but nvda doesn't seam to work well with some of them. I tried nvda on toshiba laptops, hp laptops and lenovo laptops and I didn't like the way nvda responds and sounds like. I have got the impression that this problem started under windows vista or 7 and above. I didn't find similar situations under windows xp. I was using espeak in all situations. I don't want to imagine how it would sound like with vocalizer or some other hi-q sapi5 voices which are heavier in resorces. I found the following issues. Sometimes nvda responds with some delay after we press a button on the keyboard. The sound card cuts sometimes the beginning and the end of a word or sentence. The sound card doesn't seam to cope well when doing things quickly such as typing, or when pressing arrow keys rubbitly. Sometimes the issue can be fixed if we disable all the enhancements under playback settings but this option is not available in some laptops. I am not very familiar with the issues system yet. I searched but I didn't find something on laptops, sound cards, espeak etc. If there isn't a similar issue perhaps I can create a new one. Yesterday I encountered a very unusual situation where nvda was working well on a lenovo laptop, but it became very slow in responding after updating to the latest creators update of windows 10. Narator on this particular laptop was responding well with the windows 10 voices. I don't know if it would be possible to have different bitrates to choose for espeak in cases where nvda is not very responsive in some sound cards. So what are your experiences with laptops these days and how did you fix any sound issues? I don't know the exact models right now because the laptops belong to friends but if necessary I can find out. Thanks Nikos
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Brian's Mail list account #19211 I think some Toshibas and some hps need it doing in the bios, but I've never really understood why a small utility could not be made to do this during reboot of the computer from a script made while still in windows. I mean we had little things like this back in the msdos days! Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. toggle quoted message Show quoted text ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene" <gsasner@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 2:22 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Laptops and sound issues You don't necessarily have to do this in the BIOS. Some, perhaps many computers allow this to be done in Windows. I don't recall where you do it so I hope others will discuss the matter. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian's Mail list account Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 7:15 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Laptops and sound issues No you just need to be firm with where you buy it. Its the job of a few seconds for a sighted person normally, to go into the bios at boot up and change the settings of the function keys so fn needs to be pressed to get the special media functions not the other way around. also the application key can be done by two other keys, one of them a function key which is why this has to be off otherwise its three keys and almost impossible. I'd also never entertain again any laptop with no keypad. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerardo Corripio" <gera1027@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 12:56 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Laptops and sound issues OH that's why I haven't noticed problems with mine: it's from 2011, and it's running the Windows soundcard whose name I can't remember off the top of my head. Thanks for letting us know about the annoyance of the FN-key on laptops! I guess I'd have to buy myself either a Bluetooth keyboard then to use instead of the Laptop's? El 31/05/2017 a las 06:42 a.m., Nikos Demetriou via Groups.Io escribió: Hi. My hp from 2012 running windows 7 had sound problems. It was running beats audio sound card with its own drivers. At the end I had to disable the beats audio sound and enable the generic windows sound driver. The sound is not as good now but at least it is more responsive. I don't even remember how I did this I found instructions on youtube. Another thing that I don't like on laptops these days which hasn't got anything to do with sound is the fact that they don't include the applications key any more. Very annoying. And finally the fact that you have to press the fn key in combination with the function keys to perform windows functions such as rename, refresh etc. I know you can fix this from the bios but you need sighted assistance to do it. I think they are getting worst instead of any better. Nikos On 31 May 2017 at 14:33, Gerardo Corripio <gera1027@... <mailto:gera1027@...>> wrote: Weird! I've been using NVDA for a bit over two years without sound problems on an HP Laptop running Windows7. El 31/05/2017 a las 06:24 a.m., Nikos Demetriou via Groups.Io escribió: Hi all. Sorry if this issue has been discussed before. I don't know what is going on with laptop sound cards these days, but nvda doesn't seam to work well with some of them. I tried nvda on toshiba laptops, hp laptops and lenovo laptops and I didn't like the way nvda responds and sounds like. I have got the impression that this problem started under windows vista or 7 and above. I didn't find similar situations under windows xp. I was using espeak in all situations. I don't want to imagine how it would sound like with vocalizer or some other hi-q sapi5 voices which are heavier in resorces. I found the following issues. Sometimes nvda responds with some delay after we press a button on the keyboard. The sound card cuts sometimes the beginning and the end of a word or sentence. The sound card doesn't seam to cope well when doing things quickly such as typing, or when pressing arrow keys rubbitly. Sometimes the issue can be fixed if we disable all the enhancements under playback settings but this option is not available in some laptops. I am not very familiar with the issues system yet. I searched but I didn't find something on laptops, sound cards, espeak etc. If there isn't a similar issue perhaps I can create a new one. Yesterday I encountered a very unusual situation where nvda was working well on a lenovo laptop, but it became very slow in responding after updating to the latest creators update of windows 10. Narator on this particular laptop was responding well with the windows 10 voices. I don't know if it would be possible to have different bitrates to choose for espeak in cases where nvda is not very responsive in some sound cards. So what are your experiences with laptops these days and how did you fix any sound issues? I don't know the exact models right now because the laptops belong to friends but if necessary I can find out. Thanks Nikos -- Gera Enviado desde Thunderbird -- Gera Enviado desde Thunderbird
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Shaun Everiss #19233 Well if you turn off all effects or remove everything down to standard even if you have to reformat to do it and loose some function you will eventually get the full sound of the speaker. At home when I know I will not be angering anyone I use a pair of logitech z100 speakers they are old but they work. I use a pair of senheiser hd204s, lately someone gave me a pair of unknown brand studeo style industrial grade headsets. Ofcause away from home they are to bulky to handle. When I need something I have a pair of cheap crappy headphones which are totally crap and stupid. They are tinny and really suck. However when away from home I need them just for speech output. I have not used it much but for christmas last year I had some family come back from china and all of us got kingone 5kxx 5000 speakers which are bluetooth and the top speaker in china at the time. Touch rewind and fast forward only run on windows media player but they have an aux port and a smart card and can be used with smartphones the sound is rather good for a unit of that type. I also have an old 1930s amp and speakers all of which are no longer made or sold but which were my dads first set and which he gave to me. I use that for my tv mostly but thats about it. I havn't needed to run things while away. Anyway with all effects off and other such things as long as your environment is quiet to mid noise level having the units at 50% is fine. My only issue is when I have to share a lorn mower or bacuum in close proximity. I also have a pair of andriea phones which I do use on and off as portable devices and also several sound cards usb mainly. I also have if I really get stuck a crappy old usb 1x plantronix headset. This one actually is really not nice to wear and its really crappy but I use it for sound troublechooting and driver upgrades. I wouldn't use your laptop for serious work. toggle quoted message Show quoted text On 1/06/2017 7:59 p.m., Brian's Mail list account wrote: I'd agree but to my ears, no matter how hyped up they get about sound on laptops they all sound tinny and rattle the keys if played loud. I think the suck it and see approach is going to be the only way out. Its not unknown for some desktops to suffer from these issues as well. sometimes one can select a speaker config that will turn all the fancy rubbish off, but finding it and finding if its accessible are other challenges. I tend to use a little sound box plugged into usb myself on all machines as often the internal sound output is noisy with interference generated inside the computer so if you want good sound, say through a hi fi you are not going to get it without an external card and often a powered hub to get rid of 5v line noise on the usb as well... sigh. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nikos Demetriou via Groups.Io" <nikosdemetriou@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Laptops and sound issues Ok dell was my last hope. It was the only make I didn't try yet and I was hoping that they left the sound drivers alone. The problem is that we won't know these types of problems unless if we try nvda on them before we buy because on laptop specks sound gets very little mention or even not at all. We know about the processor, the hard drive, the ram, connectivity but not the sound. Nikos On 31 May 2017 at 15:10, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@... wrote: I've noticed this with A friends Dell, it clips off the end of things as if some kind of time limit or noise gate is in use.. I could only solve it with an external usb device as the driver seemed to do this on many voices and indeed even on some effects inside programs. I cannot see why they do this as I'd have thought that sound was important. How do they play audio if it cuts out all the time? Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nikos Demetriou via Groups.Io" <nikosdemetriou@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 12:24 PM Subject: [nvda] Laptops and sound issues Hi all. Sorry if this issue has been discussed before. I don't know what is going on with laptop sound cards these days, but nvda doesn't seam to work well with some of them. I tried nvda on toshiba laptops, hp laptops and lenovo laptops and I didn't like the way nvda responds and sounds like. I have got the impression that this problem started under windows vista or 7 and above. I didn't find similar situations under windows xp. I was using espeak in all situations. I don't want to imagine how it would sound like with vocalizer or some other hi-q sapi5 voices which are heavier in resorces. I found the following issues. Sometimes nvda responds with some delay after we press a button on the keyboard. The sound card cuts sometimes the beginning and the end of a word or sentence. The sound card doesn't seam to cope well when doing things quickly such as typing, or when pressing arrow keys rubbitly. Sometimes the issue can be fixed if we disable all the enhancements under playback settings but this option is not available in some laptops. I am not very familiar with the issues system yet. I searched but I didn't find something on laptops, sound cards, espeak etc. If there isn't a similar issue perhaps I can create a new one. Yesterday I encountered a very unusual situation where nvda was working well on a lenovo laptop, but it became very slow in responding after updating to the latest creators update of windows 10. Narator on this particular laptop was responding well with the windows 10 voices. I don't know if it would be possible to have different bitrates to choose for espeak in cases where nvda is not very responsive in some sound cards. So what are your experiences with laptops these days and how did you fix any sound issues? I don't know the exact models right now because the laptops belong to friends but if necessary I can find out. Thanks Nikos .
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