Windows 10: Notifications Repeating Themselves
Rob
I run a program called Pop Peeper:
www.Esumsoft .com/ This is an email notifier. When it receives new messages, it pops up balloon tips, or what are called toasts now I guess. Now, however, on windows 10, if you restart Pop Peeper, the notifications it sends out are repeated by NVDA. If you restart the program again, the notifications are repeated three times. The only way to make this stop is by restarting NVDA. I talked to the developer of this program and he can't repeat this with narrator. I don't know of any other app which regularly sends out balloon tips/toasts in order to test the theory that it is this mechanism which causes the behavior. |
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Andre Fisher
This is an NVDA issue that I raised. Hopefully, the developers are
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looking into this, as I did give a good summary and it is reproduceable, as seen here. On 6/5/17, Rob <captinlogic@...> wrote:
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Hi,
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Is this on Creators Update only or on other builds? It appears something odd is going on with event handling, or UIA is sending too many show events in Creators Update (based on my own findings). I'm personally keeping an eye on this problem myself. Cheers, Joseph -----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rob Sent: Monday, June 5, 2017 5:53 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] Windows 10: Notifications Repeating Themselves I run a program called Pop Peeper: www.Esumsoft .com/ This is an email notifier. When it receives new messages, it pops up balloon tips, or what are called toasts now I guess. Now, however, on windows 10, if you restart Pop Peeper, the notifications it sends out are repeated by NVDA. If you restart the program again, the notifications are repeated three times. The only way to make this stop is by restarting NVDA. I talked to the developer of this program and he can't repeat this with narrator. I don't know of any other app which regularly sends out balloon tips/toasts in order to test the theory that it is this mechanism which causes the behavior. |
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Rob
Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:
Is this on Creators Update only or on other builds?This is creator update for me, just installed two days ago. Version 1703 (OS Build 15063.332) |
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Hi,
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You are not the only one with this problem. Somehow, when universal apps are launched, UIA believes it should fire multiple events somehow. As I worked on toast notification announcement, I'm looking into this. Cheers, Joseph -----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rob Sent: Monday, June 5, 2017 6:00 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10: Notifications Repeating Themselves Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote: Is this on Creators Update only or on other builds?This is creator update for me, just installed two days ago. Version 1703 (OS Build 15063.332) |
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Tyler Spivey
This also happens to me.
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As far as I know, I don't use universal apps. I get this a lot. Dropbox, ownCloud, etc will do it. On 6/5/2017 6:03 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
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Devin Prater
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From: Tyler Spivey
Sent: Monday, June 5, 2017 8:08 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10: Notifications Repeating Themselves
This also happens to me. As far as I know, I don't use universal apps. I get this a lot. Dropbox, ownCloud, etc will do it. On 6/5/2017 6:03 PM, Joseph Lee wrote: > Hi, > You are not the only one with this problem. Somehow, when universal apps are > launched, UIA believes it should fire multiple events somehow. As I worked > on toast notification announcement, I'm looking into this. > Cheers, > Joseph > > -----Original Message----- > From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rob > Sent: Monday, June 5, 2017 6:00 PM > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io > Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10: Notifications Repeating Themselves > > Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote: >> Is this on Creators Update only or on other builds? > > This is creator update for me, just installed two days ago. > Version 1703 (OS Build 15063.332) > > > > > >
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Hi, For those affected by this: can you try with NVDA 2017.1 (and if possible, 2016.4) to see if folks can duplicate with older releases? So far, I’m getting confusing reports from NVDA and accessibility event watcher (accevent.exe, part of Windows SDK) regarding how many times a certain event is fired. Cheers, Joseph
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Devin Prater
Sent: Monday, June 5, 2017 7:27 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10: Notifications Repeating Themselves
This happens to me also, particularly in Skype.
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From: Tyler Spivey
This also happens to me. As far as I know, I don't use universal apps. I get this a lot. Dropbox, ownCloud, etc will do it. On 6/5/2017 6:03 PM, Joseph Lee wrote: > Hi, > You are not the only one with this problem. Somehow, when universal apps are > launched, UIA believes it should fire multiple events somehow. As I worked > on toast notification announcement, I'm looking into this. > Cheers, > Joseph > > -----Original Message----- > From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rob > Sent: Monday, June 5, 2017 6:00 PM > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io > Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10: Notifications Repeating Themselves > > Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote: >> Is this on Creators Update only or on other builds? > > This is creator update for me, just installed two days ago. > Version 1703 (OS Build 15063.332) > > > > > >
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Rob
Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:
For those affected by this: can you try with NVDA 2017.1 (and if possible, 2016.4) to see if folks can duplicate with older releases?I'm currently on NVDA 2017.1 so can confirm it happens here. |
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Hi,
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How about those running 2016.4 (if anyone is running that one at the moment)? If this is the same in that version, chances are that we're dealing with yet another one of those odd and confusing UI Automation problem where the specifications and the practices are walking a parallel road (i.e. feedback on implementation issues is in order). Cheers, Joseph -----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rob Sent: Monday, June 5, 2017 7:31 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10: Notifications Repeating Themselves Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote: For those affected by this: can you try with NVDA 2017.1 (and if possible,2016.4) to see if folks can duplicate with older releases? I'm currently on NVDA 2017.1 so can confirm it happens here. |
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Hi all,
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To expand upon my last point regarding specs and practices walking a parallel road: UI Automation is intended to fill the gap in MSAA and present an updated view of how controls work. Unfortunately, I and other NVDA developers have encountered numerous issues where paper says one thing and code says something else, and in worst cases, we've seen badly formed UIA implementations to a point where we had to resort to MSAA (Microsoft Office apps are prime example of this problem). At other times, the UI Automation tree was in such a bad state that we had to write workaround hacks (not ideal, but we resort to this in some cases), and the most recent case was suppressing "web content" announcement in Edge (caused by yet another badly pruned UIA tree in Microsoft Edge). Half of my Windows 10 App Essentials add-on code is devoted to UIA workarounds in Windows 10 itself as well as in various apps, and for one or two cases, fixing the UIA issue means introducing bugs in NVDA (a prime example being the fact that modern Calculator repeats whatever you've entered). I can go on all day and talk about UIA adventures, but I'll stop here, as we have a serious issue to tackle regarding toast announcements. Cheers, Joseph -----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee Sent: Monday, June 5, 2017 7:35 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10: Notifications Repeating Themselves Hi, How about those running 2016.4 (if anyone is running that one at the moment)? If this is the same in that version, chances are that we're dealing with yet another one of those odd and confusing UI Automation problem where the specifications and the practices are walking a parallel road (i.e. feedback on implementation issues is in order). Cheers, Joseph -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rob Sent: Monday, June 5, 2017 7:31 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10: Notifications Repeating Themselves Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote: For those affected by this: can you try with NVDA 2017.1 (and if2016.4) to see if folks can duplicate with older releases? I'm currently on NVDA 2017.1 so can confirm it happens here. |
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Tea Turković
Hi, I have the same problem since NVDA version 2017.1. Unfortunately,
I don't have instalation of NVDA 2016.4, so I can't see if this
problem happens with this version of NVDA. Kind regards, Tea Turkovic 6.6.2017. u 4:29, Joseph Lee je
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Hi, I have it: http://www.josephsl.net/files/bin/nvda_2016.4.exe You say this happens in 2017.1? What about 2016.4? If it does not happen with 2016.4, chances are that something might have been introduced in 2017.1 that’s causing this problem, and the most likely explanation might be a commit that became part of a February 2017 master snapshot. Cheers, Joseph
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tea Turkovic
Sent: Monday, June 5, 2017 10:43 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10: Notifications Repeating Themselves
Hi, I have the same problem since NVDA version 2017.1. Unfortunately, I don't have instalation of NVDA 2016.4, so I can't see if this problem happens with this version of NVDA. Kind regards, Tea Turkovic
6.6.2017. u 4:29, Joseph Lee je napisao/la:
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enes sarıbaş
hi,
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also experiencing this on next snapshot. It is very annoying, as the notification is repeated about 4-5 times. On 6/6/2017 4:03 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
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enes sarıbaş
hi joseph, this is reproducible with the latest next snapshot. On 6/6/2017 5:29 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
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Tea Turković
Hi, I installed NVDA ver. 2016.4, and, interesting, this problem
continues... Kind regards, Tea Turkovic 6.6.2017. u 8:04, Joseph Lee je
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Hi, Hmmm… That’s odd indeed. So this tells me that it’s something to do with UIA. Cheers, Joseph
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tea Turkovic
Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2017 3:23 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10: Notifications Repeating Themselves
Hi, I installed NVDA ver. 2016.4, and, interesting, this problem continues... Kind regards, Tea Turkovic
6.6.2017. u 8:04, Joseph Lee je napisao/la:
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Jessica D <jldail13@...>
Hi, Yes, I have this issue, multiple times a day. I was using Windows 10, version 1703, with NVDA 2017.1, then 2017.2, and the notification repeat issues occured in both versions, sometimes as many as 7 times. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 6, 2017, at 10:42 AM, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:
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For me, at least, the creators update has seemed to fix the problem. It had done that for me before I upgraded, but now it doesn’t seem to repeat notifications as it had done before. I’ll monitor.
Ben
From: Rob
Sent: Monday, June 5, 2017 18:00 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10: Notifications Repeating Themselves
Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote: > Is this on Creators Update only or on other builds?
This is creator update for me, just installed two days ago. Version 1703 (OS Build 15063.332)
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Andre Fisher
As this issue impacts many users, among other performance issues, I
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think that an NVDA 2017.2.1 release is warranted. On 6/6/17, Ben J. Bloomgren <bbloomgren@...> wrote:
For me, at least, the creators update has seemed to fix the problem. It had |
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