query


anthony borg
 

Hello all

 

Can somebody explain to me, what I should do to read a current line because according to the guide, I should press NVDA plus control plus the fullstop,but it didn’t work.

 

The second question is, what should I do to stop the NVDA to read the number of each line in an email or document?

 

Thanks in advance

 

Anthony     

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Edward Green
Sent: 07 June 2017 21:52
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: query

 

Hi Devin,


Go to the NVDA menu with NVDA+N, go into Preferences, and choose Punctuation/Symbol pronunciation.

 

You can stop it saying “Carriage return” in there.

 

Cheers,

 

Ed

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Devin Prater
Sent: 07 June 2017 15:24
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Carriage return

 

I’m talking about using right arrow. Carriage return just sounds really wordy and I’m not sure new users would know what it means. No, I guess Blank wouldn’t be best, but new line would be great.

 

Devin Prater
Assistive Technology Instructor in training, JAWS certified.

 

From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2017 9:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Carriage return

 

What are you describing?  If I down arrow through a document in any application, a blank line is announced as blank.  If I move character by character, a carriage return is announced as carriage return.  I suppose this could be shortened to return but I don't have any feelings about that one way or another.  But there should certainly be a distinction of this type when moving by character.  Saying blank is inaccurate when moving by character but it isn't blank.  It’s a formatting character.

 

Are you saying that in the Windows e-mail app, when moving by down arrowing blank lines aren't indicated with the word blank? 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

 

Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2017 8:41 AM

Subject: [nvda] Carriage return

 

Hi all. Coming from Linux and Mac, I was a little surprised to find that, at least in the Windows 10 mail app, NVDA shows a new line as carriage return. Is this necessary now? Shouldn’t this be changed to something more understandable, like new line, or even blank?

 

Devin Prater
Assistive Technology Instructor in training, JAWS certified.

 

 


Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

hi


how are you driving nvda on the computer and is your keyboard layout set to desktop or laptop? the default if i remember is desktop and can be changed under the keyboard settings in NVDA.


Are you arrowing down line by line with the down arrow key? or do you want it to read the current line? it is the nvda key + up arrow key to read the current line with a desktop.


I am also guessing in the document formatting section of nvda you have the following checked. for example line numbers checked. Uncheck it then tab down to the ok button then press the enter key. NVDA might have to be restarted for it to take affect. Then try it again.


Gene nz



On 8/06/2017 8:01 PM, anthony borg wrote:

Hello all

 

Can somebody explain to me, what I should do to read a current line because according to the guide, I should press NVDA plus control plus the fullstop,but it didn’t work.

 

The second question is, what should I do to stop the NVDA to read the number of each line in an email or document?

 

Thanks in advance

 

Anthony     

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Edward Green
Sent: 07 June 2017 21:52
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: query

 

Hi Devin,


Go to the NVDA menu with NVDA+N, go into Preferences, and choose Punctuation/Symbol pronunciation.

 

You can stop it saying “Carriage return” in there.

 

Cheers,

 

Ed

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Devin Prater
Sent: 07 June 2017 15:24
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Carriage return

 

I’m talking about using right arrow. Carriage return just sounds really wordy and I’m not sure new users would know what it means. No, I guess Blank wouldn’t be best, but new line would be great.

 

Devin Prater
Assistive Technology Instructor in training, JAWS certified.

 

From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2017 9:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Carriage return

 

What are you describing?  If I down arrow through a document in any application, a blank line is announced as blank.  If I move character by character, a carriage return is announced as carriage return.  I suppose this could be shortened to return but I don't have any feelings about that one way or another.  But there should certainly be a distinction of this type when moving by character.  Saying blank is inaccurate when moving by character but it isn't blank.  It’s a formatting character.

 

Are you saying that in the Windows e-mail app, when moving by down arrowing blank lines aren't indicated with the word blank? 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

 

Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2017 8:41 AM

Subject: [nvda] Carriage return

 

Hi all. Coming from Linux and Mac, I was a little surprised to find that, at least in the Windows 10 mail app, NVDA shows a new line as carriage return. Is this necessary now? Shouldn’t this be changed to something more understandable, like new line, or even blank?

 

Devin Prater
Assistive Technology Instructor in training, JAWS certified.

 

 


--
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


David Moore
 

Hi,

To read current line, press either numpad 8 on a desktop, or press NVDA+Shift+period on a laptop.

For speaking lines, make sure you have punctuation level set to some.

Have a great one!

David Moore

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: anthony borg
Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 4:00 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] query

 

Hello all

 

Can somebody explain to me, what I should do to read a current line because according to the guide, I should press NVDA plus control plus the fullstop,but it didn’t work.

 

The second question is, what should I do to stop the NVDA to read the number of each line in an email or document?

 

Thanks in advance

 

Anthony     

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Edward Green
Sent: 07 June 2017 21:52
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: query

 

Hi Devin,


Go to the NVDA menu with NVDA+N, go into Preferences, and choose Punctuation/Symbol pronunciation.

 

You can stop it saying “Carriage return” in there.

 

Cheers,

 

Ed

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Devin Prater
Sent: 07 June 2017 15:24
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Carriage return

 

I’m talking about using right arrow. Carriage return just sounds really wordy and I’m not sure new users would know what it means. No, I guess Blank wouldn’t be best, but new line would be great.

 

Devin Prater
Assistive Technology Instructor in training, JAWS certified.

 

From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2017 9:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Carriage return

 

What are you describing?  If I down arrow through a document in any application, a blank line is announced as blank.  If I move character by character, a carriage return is announced as carriage return.  I suppose this could be shortened to return but I don't have any feelings about that one way or another.  But there should certainly be a distinction of this type when moving by character.  Saying blank is inaccurate when moving by character but it isn't blank.  It’s a formatting character.

 

Are you saying that in the Windows e-mail app, when moving by down arrowing blank lines aren't indicated with the word blank? 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

 

Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2017 8:41 AM

Subject: [nvda] Carriage return

 

Hi all. Coming from Linux and Mac, I was a little surprised to find that, at least in the Windows 10 mail app, NVDA shows a new line as carriage return. Is this necessary now? Shouldn’t this be changed to something more understandable, like new line, or even blank?

 

Devin Prater
Assistive Technology Instructor in training, JAWS certified.

 

 

 


anthony borg
 

Hi gene

 

Many thanks for your prompt reply, yes I guess as you said I have to change to laptop mode, 

 

To read the current line I use the NVDA key plus down arrow as you explained, but it keeps reading the whole page as well.

 

I hope you will be able to understand what I mean.

 

Best regards

 

Anthony  

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene New Zealand
Sent: 08 June 2017 10:26
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] query

 

hi

 

how are you driving nvda on the computer and is your keyboard layout set to desktop or laptop? the default if i remember is desktop and can be changed under the keyboard settings in NVDA.

 

Are you arrowing down line by line with the down arrow key? or do you want it to read the current line? it is the nvda key + up arrow key to read the current line with a desktop.

 

I am also guessing in the document formatting section of nvda you have the following checked. for example line numbers checked. Uncheck it then tab down to the ok button then press the enter key. NVDA might have to be restarted for it to take affect. Then try it again.

 

Gene nz

 

 

On 8/06/2017 8:01 PM, anthony borg wrote:

Hello all

 

Can somebody explain to me, what I should do to read a current line because according to the guide, I should press NVDA plus control plus the fullstop,but it didn’t work.

 

The second question is, what should I do to stop the NVDA to read the number of each line in an email or document?

 

Thanks in advance

 

Anthony     

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Edward Green
Sent: 07 June 2017 21:52
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: query

 

Hi Devin,


Go to the NVDA menu with NVDA+N, go into Preferences, and choose Punctuation/Symbol pronunciation.

 

You can stop it saying “Carriage return” in there.

 

Cheers,

 

Ed

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Devin Prater
Sent: 07 June 2017 15:24
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Carriage return

 

I’m talking about using right arrow. Carriage return just sounds really wordy and I’m not sure new users would know what it means. No, I guess Blank wouldn’t be best, but new line would be great.

 

Devin Prater
Assistive Technology Instructor in training, JAWS certified.

 

From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2017 9:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Carriage return

 

What are you describing?  If I down arrow through a document in any application, a blank line is announced as blank.  If I move character by character, a carriage return is announced as carriage return.  I suppose this could be shortened to return but I don't have any feelings about that one way or another.  But there should certainly be a distinction of this type when moving by character.  Saying blank is inaccurate when moving by character but it isn't blank.  It’s a formatting character.

 

Are you saying that in the Windows e-mail app, when moving by down arrowing blank lines aren't indicated with the word blank? 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

 

Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2017 8:41 AM

Subject: [nvda] Carriage return

 

Hi all. Coming from Linux and Mac, I was a little surprised to find that, at least in the Windows 10 mail app, NVDA shows a new line as carriage return. Is this necessary now? Shouldn’t this be changed to something more understandable, like new line, or even blank?

 

Devin Prater
Assistive Technology Instructor in training, JAWS certified.

 

 

 

--

Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


anthony borg
 

Many thanks david for your explanation, and your help.

 

I really appreciated.

 

Best regards

 

Anthony  

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: 08 June 2017 10:58
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] query

 

Hi,

To read current line, press either numpad 8 on a desktop, or press NVDA+Shift+period on a laptop.

For speaking lines, make sure you have punctuation level set to some.

Have a great one!

David Moore

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: anthony borg
Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 4:00 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] query

 

Hello all

 

Can somebody explain to me, what I should do to read a current line because according to the guide, I should press NVDA plus control plus the fullstop,but it didn’t work.

 

The second question is, what should I do to stop the NVDA to read the number of each line in an email or document?

 

Thanks in advance

 

Anthony     

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Edward Green
Sent: 07 June 2017 21:52
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: query

 

Hi Devin,


Go to the NVDA menu with NVDA+N, go into Preferences, and choose Punctuation/Symbol pronunciation.

 

You can stop it saying “Carriage return” in there.

 

Cheers,

 

Ed

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Devin Prater
Sent: 07 June 2017 15:24
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Carriage return

 

I’m talking about using right arrow. Carriage return just sounds really wordy and I’m not sure new users would know what it means. No, I guess Blank wouldn’t be best, but new line would be great.

 

Devin Prater
Assistive Technology Instructor in training, JAWS certified.

 

From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2017 9:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Carriage return

 

What are you describing?  If I down arrow through a document in any application, a blank line is announced as blank.  If I move character by character, a carriage return is announced as carriage return.  I suppose this could be shortened to return but I don't have any feelings about that one way or another.  But there should certainly be a distinction of this type when moving by character.  Saying blank is inaccurate when moving by character but it isn't blank.  It’s a formatting character.

 

Are you saying that in the Windows e-mail app, when moving by down arrowing blank lines aren't indicated with the word blank? 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

 

Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2017 8:41 AM

Subject: [nvda] Carriage return

 

Hi all. Coming from Linux and Mac, I was a little surprised to find that, at least in the Windows 10 mail app, NVDA shows a new line as carriage return. Is this necessary now? Shouldn’t this be changed to something more understandable, like new line, or even blank?

 

Devin Prater
Assistive Technology Instructor in training, JAWS certified.

 

 

 


David Moore
 

You’re welcome.

Have a great one. It is easier to use the commands to read the current line with the review cursor than with the PC cursor.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: anthony borg
Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 5:16 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] query

 

Many thanks david for your explanation, and your help.

 

I really appreciated.

 

Best regards

 

Anthony  

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: 08 June 2017 10:58
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] query

 

Hi,

To read current line, press either numpad 8 on a desktop, or press NVDA+Shift+period on a laptop.

For speaking lines, make sure you have punctuation level set to some.

Have a great one!

David Moore

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: anthony borg
Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 4:00 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] query

 

Hello all

 

Can somebody explain to me, what I should do to read a current line because according to the guide, I should press NVDA plus control plus the fullstop,but it didn’t work.

 

The second question is, what should I do to stop the NVDA to read the number of each line in an email or document?

 

Thanks in advance

 

Anthony     

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Edward Green
Sent: 07 June 2017 21:52
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: query

 

Hi Devin,


Go to the NVDA menu with NVDA+N, go into Preferences, and choose Punctuation/Symbol pronunciation.

 

You can stop it saying “Carriage return” in there.

 

Cheers,

 

Ed

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Devin Prater
Sent: 07 June 2017 15:24
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Carriage return

 

I’m talking about using right arrow. Carriage return just sounds really wordy and I’m not sure new users would know what it means. No, I guess Blank wouldn’t be best, but new line would be great.

 

Devin Prater
Assistive Technology Instructor in training, JAWS certified.

 

From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2017 9:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Carriage return

 

What are you describing?  If I down arrow through a document in any application, a blank line is announced as blank.  If I move character by character, a carriage return is announced as carriage return.  I suppose this could be shortened to return but I don't have any feelings about that one way or another.  But there should certainly be a distinction of this type when moving by character.  Saying blank is inaccurate when moving by character but it isn't blank.  It’s a formatting character.

 

Are you saying that in the Windows e-mail app, when moving by down arrowing blank lines aren't indicated with the word blank? 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

 

Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2017 8:41 AM

Subject: [nvda] Carriage return

 

Hi all. Coming from Linux and Mac, I was a little surprised to find that, at least in the Windows 10 mail app, NVDA shows a new line as carriage return. Is this necessary now? Shouldn’t this be changed to something more understandable, like new line, or even blank?

 

Devin Prater
Assistive Technology Instructor in training, JAWS certified.

 

 

 

 


Gene
 

NVDA down arrow is read to end.  Does the laptop have a numpad?  The only reason to use the laptop layout is if the laptop doesn't have a numpad. 
 
If it were me, I'd probably buy a USB numpad and use the desktop layout.  I don't like laptop layouts in any screen-reader. 
 
I don't know where or how your are looking at commands but you appear to somehow be looking at them incorrectly.  Are you using the quick key reference in help>  In that reference, commands are given as desktop layout, then on the next line laptop, then touch gesture, if any. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 4:11 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] query

Hi gene

 

Many thanks for your prompt reply, yes I guess as you said I have to change to laptop mode, 

 

To read the current line I use the NVDA key plus down arrow as you explained, but it keeps reading the whole page as well.

 

I hope you will be able to understand what I mean.

 

Best regards

 

Anthony  

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene New Zealand
Sent: 08 June 2017 10:26
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] query

 

hi

 

how are you driving nvda on the computer and is your keyboard layout set to desktop or laptop? the default if i remember is desktop and can be changed under the keyboard settings in NVDA.

 

Are you arrowing down line by line with the down arrow key? or do you want it to read the current line? it is the nvda key + up arrow key to read the current line with a desktop.

 

I am also guessing in the document formatting section of nvda you have the following checked. for example line numbers checked. Uncheck it then tab down to the ok button then press the enter key. NVDA might have to be restarted for it to take affect. Then try it again.

 

Gene nz

 

 

On 8/06/2017 8:01 PM, anthony borg wrote:

Hello all

 

Can somebody explain to me, what I should do to read a current line because according to the guide, I should press NVDA plus control plus the fullstop,but it didn’t work.

 

The second question is, what should I do to stop the NVDA to read the number of each line in an email or document?

 

Thanks in advance

 

Anthony     

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Edward Green
Sent: 07 June 2017 21:52
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: query

 

Hi Devin,


Go to the NVDA menu with NVDA+N, go into Preferences, and choose Punctuation/Symbol pronunciation.

 

You can stop it saying “Carriage return” in there.

 

Cheers,

 

Ed

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Devin Prater
Sent: 07 June 2017 15:24
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Carriage return

 

I’m talking about using right arrow. Carriage return just sounds really wordy and I’m not sure new users would know what it means. No, I guess Blank wouldn’t be best, but new line would be great.

 

Devin Prater
Assistive Technology Instructor in training, JAWS certified.

 

From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2017 9:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Carriage return

 

What are you describing?  If I down arrow through a document in any application, a blank line is announced as blank.  If I move character by character, a carriage return is announced as carriage return.  I suppose this could be shortened to return but I don't have any feelings about that one way or another.  But there should certainly be a distinction of this type when moving by character.  Saying blank is inaccurate when moving by character but it isn't blank.  It’s a formatting character.

 

Are you saying that in the Windows e-mail app, when moving by down arrowing blank lines aren't indicated with the word blank? 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

 

From: Devin Prater

Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2017 8:41 AM

Subject: [nvda] Carriage return

 

Hi all. Coming from Linux and Mac, I was a little surprised to find that, at least in the Windows 10 mail app, NVDA shows a new line as carriage return. Is this necessary now? Shouldn’t this be changed to something more understandable, like new line, or even blank?

 

Devin Prater
Assistive Technology Instructor in training, JAWS certified.

 

 

 

--

Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi


it is the nvda key + up arrow key for the desktop version of the keyboard.



the nvda key + down arrow key is for the say all command in a desktop.
Gene nz

On 8/06/2017 9:11 PM, anthony borg wrote:

Hi gene

 

Many thanks for your prompt reply, yes I guess as you said I have to change to laptop mode, 

 

To read the current line I use the NVDA key plus down arrow as you explained, but it keeps reading the whole page as well.

 

I hope you will be able to understand what I mean.

 

Best regards

 

Anthony  

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene New Zealand
Sent: 08 June 2017 10:26
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] query

 

hi

 

how are you driving nvda on the computer and is your keyboard layout set to desktop or laptop? the default if i remember is desktop and can be changed under the keyboard settings in NVDA.

 

Are you arrowing down line by line with the down arrow key? or do you want it to read the current line? it is the nvda key + up arrow key to read the current line with a desktop.

 

I am also guessing in the document formatting section of nvda you have the following checked. for example line numbers checked. Uncheck it then tab down to the ok button then press the enter key. NVDA might have to be restarted for it to take affect. Then try it again.

 

Gene nz

 

 

On 8/06/2017 8:01 PM, anthony borg wrote:

Hello all

 

Can somebody explain to me, what I should do to read a current line because according to the guide, I should press NVDA plus control plus the fullstop,but it didn’t work.

 

The second question is, what should I do to stop the NVDA to read the number of each line in an email or document?

 

Thanks in advance

 

Anthony     

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Edward Green
Sent: 07 June 2017 21:52
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: query

 

Hi Devin,


Go to the NVDA menu with NVDA+N, go into Preferences, and choose Punctuation/Symbol pronunciation.

 

You can stop it saying “Carriage return” in there.

 

Cheers,

 

Ed

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Devin Prater
Sent: 07 June 2017 15:24
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Carriage return

 

I’m talking about using right arrow. Carriage return just sounds really wordy and I’m not sure new users would know what it means. No, I guess Blank wouldn’t be best, but new line would be great.

 

Devin Prater
Assistive Technology Instructor in training, JAWS certified.

 

From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2017 9:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Carriage return

 

What are you describing?  If I down arrow through a document in any application, a blank line is announced as blank.  If I move character by character, a carriage return is announced as carriage return.  I suppose this could be shortened to return but I don't have any feelings about that one way or another.  But there should certainly be a distinction of this type when moving by character.  Saying blank is inaccurate when moving by character but it isn't blank.  It’s a formatting character.

 

Are you saying that in the Windows e-mail app, when moving by down arrowing blank lines aren't indicated with the word blank? 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

 

Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2017 8:41 AM

Subject: [nvda] Carriage return

 

Hi all. Coming from Linux and Mac, I was a little surprised to find that, at least in the Windows 10 mail app, NVDA shows a new line as carriage return. Is this necessary now? Shouldn’t this be changed to something more understandable, like new line, or even blank?

 

Devin Prater
Assistive Technology Instructor in training, JAWS certified.

 

 

 

--

Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


--
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


anthony borg
 

Hi gene

 

Yes my laptop has a numpad, the reason why I’m asking so many questions is because I just started to learn how to use the NVDA.

 

And I’m pretty sure that all of you have more experience than I have.

 

Best regards

 

Anthony

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 08 June 2017 11:37
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] query

 

NVDA down arrow is read to end.  Does the laptop have a numpad?  The only reason to use the laptop layout is if the laptop doesn't have a numpad. 

 

If it were me, I'd probably buy a USB numpad and use the desktop layout.  I don't like laptop layouts in any screen-reader. 

 

I don't know where or how your are looking at commands but you appear to somehow be looking at them incorrectly.  Are you using the quick key reference in help>  In that reference, commands are given as desktop layout, then on the next line laptop, then touch gesture, if any. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 4:11 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] query

 

Hi gene

 

Many thanks for your prompt reply, yes I guess as you said I have to change to laptop mode, 

 

To read the current line I use the NVDA key plus down arrow as you explained, but it keeps reading the whole page as well.

 

I hope you will be able to understand what I mean.

 

Best regards

 

Anthony  

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene New Zealand
Sent: 08 June 2017 10:26
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] query

 

hi

 

how are you driving nvda on the computer and is your keyboard layout set to desktop or laptop? the default if i remember is desktop and can be changed under the keyboard settings in NVDA.

 

Are you arrowing down line by line with the down arrow key? or do you want it to read the current line? it is the nvda key + up arrow key to read the current line with a desktop.

 

I am also guessing in the document formatting section of nvda you have the following checked. for example line numbers checked. Uncheck it then tab down to the ok button then press the enter key. NVDA might have to be restarted for it to take affect. Then try it again.

 

Gene nz

 

 

On 8/06/2017 8:01 PM, anthony borg wrote:

Hello all

 

Can somebody explain to me, what I should do to read a current line because according to the guide, I should press NVDA plus control plus the fullstop,but it didn’t work.

 

The second question is, what should I do to stop the NVDA to read the number of each line in an email or document?

 

Thanks in advance

 

Anthony     

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Edward Green
Sent: 07 June 2017 21:52
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: query

 

Hi Devin,


Go to the NVDA menu with NVDA+N, go into Preferences, and choose Punctuation/Symbol pronunciation.

 

You can stop it saying “Carriage return” in there.

 

Cheers,

 

Ed

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Devin Prater
Sent: 07 June 2017 15:24
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Carriage return

 

I’m talking about using right arrow. Carriage return just sounds really wordy and I’m not sure new users would know what it means. No, I guess Blank wouldn’t be best, but new line would be great.

 

Devin Prater
Assistive Technology Instructor in training, JAWS certified.

 

From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2017 9:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Carriage return

 

What are you describing?  If I down arrow through a document in any application, a blank line is announced as blank.  If I move character by character, a carriage return is announced as carriage return.  I suppose this could be shortened to return but I don't have any feelings about that one way or another.  But there should certainly be a distinction of this type when moving by character.  Saying blank is inaccurate when moving by character but it isn't blank.  It’s a formatting character.

 

Are you saying that in the Windows e-mail app, when moving by down arrowing blank lines aren't indicated with the word blank? 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

 

Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2017 8:41 AM

Subject: [nvda] Carriage return

 

Hi all. Coming from Linux and Mac, I was a little surprised to find that, at least in the Windows 10 mail app, NVDA shows a new line as carriage return. Is this necessary now? Shouldn’t this be changed to something more understandable, like new line, or even blank?

 

Devin Prater
Assistive Technology Instructor in training, JAWS certified.

 

 

 

--

Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


anthony borg
 

Hi david

 

I changed the keyboard layout to laptop mode, and the NVDA plus shift plus period, worked.

 

Now if you don’t mind, can you please explain to me how to quit the skype after I finish using it? Because with window- eyes I used to go in the system tray, then I down arrow on skype press enter then I down arrow again on quit and press enter.

 

Sorry for all the trouble I’m giving you.

 

Thanks in advance

 

Anthony

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: 08 June 2017 11:26
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] query

 

You’re welcome.

Have a great one. It is easier to use the commands to read the current line with the review cursor than with the PC cursor.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: anthony borg
Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 5:16 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] query

 

Many thanks david for your explanation, and your help.

 

I really appreciated.

 

Best regards

 

Anthony  

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: 08 June 2017 10:58
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] query

 

Hi,

To read current line, press either numpad 8 on a desktop, or press NVDA+Shift+period on a laptop.

For speaking lines, make sure you have punctuation level set to some.

Have a great one!

David Moore

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: anthony borg
Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 4:00 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] query

 

Hello all

 

Can somebody explain to me, what I should do to read a current line because according to the guide, I should press NVDA plus control plus the fullstop,but it didn’t work.

 

The second question is, what should I do to stop the NVDA to read the number of each line in an email or document?

 

Thanks in advance

 

Anthony     

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Edward Green
Sent: 07 June 2017 21:52
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: query

 

Hi Devin,


Go to the NVDA menu with NVDA+N, go into Preferences, and choose Punctuation/Symbol pronunciation.

 

You can stop it saying “Carriage return” in there.

 

Cheers,

 

Ed

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Devin Prater
Sent: 07 June 2017 15:24
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Carriage return

 

I’m talking about using right arrow. Carriage return just sounds really wordy and I’m not sure new users would know what it means. No, I guess Blank wouldn’t be best, but new line would be great.

 

Devin Prater
Assistive Technology Instructor in training, JAWS certified.

 

From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2017 9:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Carriage return

 

What are you describing?  If I down arrow through a document in any application, a blank line is announced as blank.  If I move character by character, a carriage return is announced as carriage return.  I suppose this could be shortened to return but I don't have any feelings about that one way or another.  But there should certainly be a distinction of this type when moving by character.  Saying blank is inaccurate when moving by character but it isn't blank.  It’s a formatting character.

 

Are you saying that in the Windows e-mail app, when moving by down arrowing blank lines aren't indicated with the word blank? 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

 

Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2017 8:41 AM

Subject: [nvda] Carriage return

 

Hi all. Coming from Linux and Mac, I was a little surprised to find that, at least in the Windows 10 mail app, NVDA shows a new line as carriage return. Is this necessary now? Shouldn’t this be changed to something more understandable, like new line, or even blank?

 

Devin Prater
Assistive Technology Instructor in training, JAWS certified.

 

 

 

 


Chris Mullins
 

Hi Anthony

Use the                Windows+b command to jump to the system tray

You probably know these commands already but they are dependent on how your system is configured to display icons.  Some icons may appear in the system tray and others may be placed in the overflow area.  Use the left or right arrow key to move through the system tray icons, if Skype is not there, press enter on the icon labelled ‘Notification Chevron button’.  This lists the icons which will not fit in the main system tray area and you use up/down arrows to move through the list.  You should find an entry for Skype in the list, press the applications key when positioned on it and you will get a context menu displayed which you can arrow up and down.  Here you will find the Quit option, press enter on it to close the Skype app.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of anthony borg
Sent: 8 June 2017 15:50
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] query

 

Hi david

 

I changed the keyboard layout to laptop mode, and the NVDA plus shift plus period, worked.

 

Now if you don’t mind, can you please explain to me how to quit the skype after I finish using it? Because with window- eyes I used to go in the system tray, then I down arrow on skype press enter then I down arrow again on quit and press enter.

 

Sorry for all the trouble I’m giving you.

 

Thanks in advance

 

Anthony

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: 08 June 2017 11:26
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] query

 

You’re welcome.

Have a great one. It is easier to use the commands to read the current line with the review cursor than with the PC cursor.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: anthony borg
Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 5:16 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] query

 

Many thanks david for your explanation, and your help.

 

I really appreciated.

 

Best regards

 

Anthony  

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: 08 June 2017 10:58
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] query

 

Hi,

To read current line, press either numpad 8 on a desktop, or press NVDA+Shift+period on a laptop.

For speaking lines, make sure you have punctuation level set to some.

Have a great one!

David Moore

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: anthony borg
Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 4:00 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] query

 

Hello all

 

Can somebody explain to me, what I should do to read a current line because according to the guide, I should press NVDA plus control plus the fullstop,but it didn’t work.

 

The second question is, what should I do to stop the NVDA to read the number of each line in an email or document?

 

Thanks in advance

 

Anthony     

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Edward Green
Sent: 07 June 2017 21:52
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: query

 

Hi Devin,


Go to the NVDA menu with NVDA+N, go into Preferences, and choose Punctuation/Symbol pronunciation.

 

You can stop it saying “Carriage return” in there.

 

Cheers,

 

Ed

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Devin Prater
Sent: 07 June 2017 15:24
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Carriage return

 

I’m talking about using right arrow. Carriage return just sounds really wordy and I’m not sure new users would know what it means. No, I guess Blank wouldn’t be best, but new line would be great.

 

Devin Prater
Assistive Technology Instructor in training, JAWS certified.

 

From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2017 9:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Carriage return

 

What are you describing?  If I down arrow through a document in any application, a blank line is announced as blank.  If I move character by character, a carriage return is announced as carriage return.  I suppose this could be shortened to return but I don't have any feelings about that one way or another.  But there should certainly be a distinction of this type when moving by character.  Saying blank is inaccurate when moving by character but it isn't blank.  It’s a formatting character.

 

Are you saying that in the Windows e-mail app, when moving by down arrowing blank lines aren't indicated with the word blank? 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

 

Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2017 8:41 AM

Subject: [nvda] Carriage return

 

Hi all. Coming from Linux and Mac, I was a little surprised to find that, at least in the Windows 10 mail app, NVDA shows a new line as carriage return. Is this necessary now? Shouldn’t this be changed to something more understandable, like new line, or even blank?

 

Devin Prater
Assistive Technology Instructor in training, JAWS certified.

 

 

 

 


Gene
 

Since it has a numpad, it would be much better to use the desktop layout.  You were trying to use a laptop layout command for read current line. The desktop layout command is NVDA key up arrow.  Since you have a numpad, you will likely want to use the numpad insert in many cases for the NVDA key. 
But there are times when it is much easier and more pleasant to use the capslock as an NVDA key.  If you do, the command would be caps lock up arrow for speak current line. 
 
To enable the caps lock as an NVDA key do the following:
Open the keyboard settings dialog with the command control NVDA key k.  Since you don't have the capslock set as an NVDA key yet, use either insert.
Then tab to a check box that says use caps lock as NVDA key or similar wording.  Check it with the space bar. 
Then tab to and activate the ok button.
Now, you can have the current line spoken by holding the caps lock key and whild doing so press up arrow.  If a command is awkward or unpleasant using whatever insert you want to use, you can use the caps lock.  You can still use either insert but now you can use the caps lock as well, if you prefer.
 
Gene
----- Origianal Message ------

Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 9:36 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] query

Hi gene

 

Yes my laptop has a numpad, the reason why I’m asking so many questions is because I just started to learn how to use the NVDA.

 

And I’m pretty sure that all of you have more experience than I have.

 

Best regards

 

Anthony

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 08 June 2017 11:37
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] query

 

NVDA down arrow is read to end.  Does the laptop have a numpad?  The only reason to use the laptop layout is if the laptop doesn't have a numpad. 

 

If it were me, I'd probably buy a USB numpad and use the desktop layout.  I don't like laptop layouts in any screen-reader. 

 

I don't know where or how your are looking at commands but you appear to somehow be looking at them incorrectly.  Are you using the quick key reference in help>  In that reference, commands are given as desktop layout, then on the next line laptop, then touch gesture, if any. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: anthony borg

Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 4:11 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] query

 

Hi gene

 

Many thanks for your prompt reply, yes I guess as you said I have to change to laptop mode, 

 

To read the current line I use the NVDA key plus down arrow as you explained, but it keeps reading the whole page as well.

 

I hope you will be able to understand what I mean.

 

Best regards

 

Anthony  

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene New Zealand
Sent: 08 June 2017 10:26
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] query

 

hi

 

how are you driving nvda on the computer and is your keyboard layout set to desktop or laptop? the default if i remember is desktop and can be changed under the keyboard settings in NVDA.

 

Are you arrowing down line by line with the down arrow key? or do you want it to read the current line? it is the nvda key + up arrow key to read the current line with a desktop.

 

I am also guessing in the document formatting section of nvda you have the following checked. for example line numbers checked. Uncheck it then tab down to the ok button then press the enter key. NVDA might have to be restarted for it to take affect. Then try it again.

 

Gene nz

 

 

On 8/06/2017 8:01 PM, anthony borg wrote:

Hello all

 

Can somebody explain to me, what I should do to read a current line because according to the guide, I should press NVDA plus control plus the fullstop,but it didn’t work.

 

The second question is, what should I do to stop the NVDA to read the number of each line in an email or document?

 

Thanks in advance

 

Anthony     

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Edward Green
Sent: 07 June 2017 21:52
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: query

 

Hi Devin,


Go to the NVDA menu with NVDA+N, go into Preferences, and choose Punctuation/Symbol pronunciation.

 

You can stop it saying “Carriage return” in there.

 

Cheers,

 

Ed

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Devin Prater
Sent: 07 June 2017 15:24
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Carriage return

 

I’m talking about using right arrow. Carriage return just sounds really wordy and I’m not sure new users would know what it means. No, I guess Blank wouldn’t be best, but new line would be great.

 

Devin Prater
Assistive Technology Instructor in training, JAWS certified.

 

From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2017 9:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Carriage return

 

What are you describing?  If I down arrow through a document in any application, a blank line is announced as blank.  If I move character by character, a carriage return is announced as carriage return.  I suppose this could be shortened to return but I don't have any feelings about that one way or another.  But there should certainly be a distinction of this type when moving by character.  Saying blank is inaccurate when moving by character but it isn't blank.  It’s a formatting character.

 

Are you saying that in the Windows e-mail app, when moving by down arrowing blank lines aren't indicated with the word blank? 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

 

From: Devin Prater

Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2017 8:41 AM

Subject: [nvda] Carriage return

 

Hi all. Coming from Linux and Mac, I was a little surprised to find that, at least in the Windows 10 mail app, NVDA shows a new line as carriage return. Is this necessary now? Shouldn’t this be changed to something more understandable, like new line, or even blank?

 

Devin Prater
Assistive Technology Instructor in training, JAWS certified.

 

 

 

--

Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


anthony borg
 

Hi chris

Many thanks for the ifo you have sent me, which helped me to solve the problem of how to quit skype.

Thanks once again,

Best regards

Anthony  

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris Mullins
Sent: 08 June 2017 19:03
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] query

 

Hi Anthony

Use the                Windows+b command to jump to the system tray

You probably know these commands already but they are dependent on how your system is configured to display icons.  Some icons may appear in the system tray and others may be placed in the overflow area.  Use the left or right arrow key to move through the system tray icons, if Skype is not there, press enter on the icon labelled ‘Notification Chevron button’.  This lists the icons which will not fit in the main system tray area and you use up/down arrows to move through the list.  You should find an entry for Skype in the list, press the applications key when positioned on it and you will get a context menu displayed which you can arrow up and down.  Here you will find the Quit option, press enter on it to close the Skype app.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of anthony borg
Sent: 8 June 2017 15:50
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] query

 

Hi david

 

I changed the keyboard layout to laptop mode, and the NVDA plus shift plus period, worked.

 

Now if you don’t mind, can you please explain to me how to quit the skype after I finish using it? Because with window- eyes I used to go in the system tray, then I down arrow on skype press enter then I down arrow again on quit and press enter.

 

Sorry for all the trouble I’m giving you.

 

Thanks in advance

 

Anthony

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: 08 June 2017 11:26
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] query

 

You’re welcome.

Have a great one. It is easier to use the commands to read the current line with the review cursor than with the PC cursor.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: anthony borg
Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 5:16 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] query

 

Many thanks david for your explanation, and your help.

 

I really appreciated.

 

Best regards

 

Anthony  

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: 08 June 2017 10:58
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] query

 

Hi,

To read current line, press either numpad 8 on a desktop, or press NVDA+Shift+period on a laptop.

For speaking lines, make sure you have punctuation level set to some.

Have a great one!

David Moore

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: anthony borg
Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 4:00 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] query

 

Hello all

 

Can somebody explain to me, what I should do to read a current line because according to the guide, I should press NVDA plus control plus the fullstop,but it didn’t work.

 

The second question is, what should I do to stop the NVDA to read the number of each line in an email or document?

 

Thanks in advance

 

Anthony     

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Edward Green
Sent: 07 June 2017 21:52
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: query

 

Hi Devin,


Go to the NVDA menu with NVDA+N, go into Preferences, and choose Punctuation/Symbol pronunciation.

 

You can stop it saying “Carriage return” in there.

 

Cheers,

 

Ed

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Devin Prater
Sent: 07 June 2017 15:24
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Carriage return

 

I’m talking about using right arrow. Carriage return just sounds really wordy and I’m not sure new users would know what it means. No, I guess Blank wouldn’t be best, but new line would be great.

 

Devin Prater
Assistive Technology Instructor in training, JAWS certified.

 

From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2017 9:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Carriage return

 

What are you describing?  If I down arrow through a document in any application, a blank line is announced as blank.  If I move character by character, a carriage return is announced as carriage return.  I suppose this could be shortened to return but I don't have any feelings about that one way or another.  But there should certainly be a distinction of this type when moving by character.  Saying blank is inaccurate when moving by character but it isn't blank.  It’s a formatting character.

 

Are you saying that in the Windows e-mail app, when moving by down arrowing blank lines aren't indicated with the word blank? 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

 

Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2017 8:41 AM

Subject: [nvda] Carriage return

 

Hi all. Coming from Linux and Mac, I was a little surprised to find that, at least in the Windows 10 mail app, NVDA shows a new line as carriage return. Is this necessary now? Shouldn’t this be changed to something more understandable, like new line, or even blank?

 

Devin Prater
Assistive Technology Instructor in training, JAWS certified.

 

 

 

 


anthony borg
 

Hi gene

 

Sorry  first of all that I couldn’t reply to your email yesterday, I really appreciated your support and the instructions you have sent me.

 

Many thanks once again for your help,

 

Best regards

 

Anthony

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 08 June 2017 19:46
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] query

 

Since it has a numpad, it would be much better to use the desktop layout.  You were trying to use a laptop layout command for read current line. The desktop layout command is NVDA key up arrow.  Since you have a numpad, you will likely want to use the numpad insert in many cases for the NVDA key. 

But there are times when it is much easier and more pleasant to use the capslock as an NVDA key.  If you do, the command would be caps lock up arrow for speak current line. 

 

To enable the caps lock as an NVDA key do the following:

Open the keyboard settings dialog with the command control NVDA key k.  Since you don't have the capslock set as an NVDA key yet, use either insert.

Then tab to a check box that says use caps lock as NVDA key or similar wording.  Check it with the space bar. 

Then tab to and activate the ok button.

Now, you can have the current line spoken by holding the caps lock key and whild doing so press up arrow.  If a command is awkward or unpleasant using whatever insert you want to use, you can use the caps lock.  You can still use either insert but now you can use the caps lock as well, if you prefer.

 

Gene

----- Origianal Message ------

 

Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 9:36 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] query

 

Hi gene

 

Yes my laptop has a numpad, the reason why I’m asking so many questions is because I just started to learn how to use the NVDA.

 

And I’m pretty sure that all of you have more experience than I have.

 

Best regards

 

Anthony

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 08 June 2017 11:37
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] query

 

NVDA down arrow is read to end.  Does the laptop have a numpad?  The only reason to use the laptop layout is if the laptop doesn't have a numpad. 

 

If it were me, I'd probably buy a USB numpad and use the desktop layout.  I don't like laptop layouts in any screen-reader. 

 

I don't know where or how your are looking at commands but you appear to somehow be looking at them incorrectly.  Are you using the quick key reference in help>  In that reference, commands are given as desktop layout, then on the next line laptop, then touch gesture, if any. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 4:11 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] query

 

Hi gene

 

Many thanks for your prompt reply, yes I guess as you said I have to change to laptop mode, 

 

To read the current line I use the NVDA key plus down arrow as you explained, but it keeps reading the whole page as well.

 

I hope you will be able to understand what I mean.

 

Best regards

 

Anthony  

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene New Zealand
Sent: 08 June 2017 10:26
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] query

 

hi

 

how are you driving nvda on the computer and is your keyboard layout set to desktop or laptop? the default if i remember is desktop and can be changed under the keyboard settings in NVDA.

 

Are you arrowing down line by line with the down arrow key? or do you want it to read the current line? it is the nvda key + up arrow key to read the current line with a desktop.

 

I am also guessing in the document formatting section of nvda you have the following checked. for example line numbers checked. Uncheck it then tab down to the ok button then press the enter key. NVDA might have to be restarted for it to take affect. Then try it again.

 

Gene nz

 

 

On 8/06/2017 8:01 PM, anthony borg wrote:

Hello all

 

Can somebody explain to me, what I should do to read a current line because according to the guide, I should press NVDA plus control plus the fullstop,but it didn’t work.

 

The second question is, what should I do to stop the NVDA to read the number of each line in an email or document?

 

Thanks in advance

 

Anthony     

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Edward Green
Sent: 07 June 2017 21:52
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: query

 

Hi Devin,


Go to the NVDA menu with NVDA+N, go into Preferences, and choose Punctuation/Symbol pronunciation.

 

You can stop it saying “Carriage return” in there.

 

Cheers,

 

Ed

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Devin Prater
Sent: 07 June 2017 15:24
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Carriage return

 

I’m talking about using right arrow. Carriage return just sounds really wordy and I’m not sure new users would know what it means. No, I guess Blank wouldn’t be best, but new line would be great.

 

Devin Prater
Assistive Technology Instructor in training, JAWS certified.

 

From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2017 9:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Carriage return

 

What are you describing?  If I down arrow through a document in any application, a blank line is announced as blank.  If I move character by character, a carriage return is announced as carriage return.  I suppose this could be shortened to return but I don't have any feelings about that one way or another.  But there should certainly be a distinction of this type when moving by character.  Saying blank is inaccurate when moving by character but it isn't blank.  It’s a formatting character.

 

Are you saying that in the Windows e-mail app, when moving by down arrowing blank lines aren't indicated with the word blank? 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

 

Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2017 8:41 AM

Subject: [nvda] Carriage return

 

Hi all. Coming from Linux and Mac, I was a little surprised to find that, at least in the Windows 10 mail app, NVDA shows a new line as carriage return. Is this necessary now? Shouldn’t this be changed to something more understandable, like new line, or even blank?

 

Devin Prater
Assistive Technology Instructor in training, JAWS certified.

 

 

 

--

Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Gene
 

I should clarify that for general use, I don't know if it makes a difference if you use the laptop or desktop layout.  I haven't used the laptop layout so I can't compare them in general.  I have looked at some of the commands used in object navigation and in screen review.  I consider the desktop layout to be far superior in organization of those commands.  That's why I recommended the desktop layout. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, June 09, 2017 2:20 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] query

Hi gene

 

Sorry  first of all that I couldn’t reply to your email yesterday, I really appreciated your support and the instructions you have sent me.

 

Many thanks once again for your help,

 

Best regards

 

Anthony

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 08 June 2017 19:46
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] query

 

Since it has a numpad, it would be much better to use the desktop layout.  You were trying to use a laptop layout command for read current line. The desktop layout command is NVDA key up arrow.  Since you have a numpad, you will likely want to use the numpad insert in many cases for the NVDA key. 

But there are times when it is much easier and more pleasant to use the capslock as an NVDA key.  If you do, the command would be caps lock up arrow for speak current line. 

 

To enable the caps lock as an NVDA key do the following:

Open the keyboard settings dialog with the command control NVDA key k.  Since you don't have the capslock set as an NVDA key yet, use either insert.

Then tab to a check box that says use caps lock as NVDA key or similar wording.  Check it with the space bar. 

Then tab to and activate the ok button.

Now, you can have the current line spoken by holding the caps lock key and whild doing so press up arrow.  If a command is awkward or unpleasant using whatever insert you want to use, you can use the caps lock.  You can still use either insert but now you can use the caps lock as well, if you prefer.

 

Gene

----- Origianal Message ------

 

From: anthony borg

Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 9:36 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] query

 

Hi gene

 

Yes my laptop has a numpad, the reason why I’m asking so many questions is because I just started to learn how to use the NVDA.

 

And I’m pretty sure that all of you have more experience than I have.

 

Best regards

 

Anthony

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 08 June 2017 11:37
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] query

 

NVDA down arrow is read to end.  Does the laptop have a numpad?  The only reason to use the laptop layout is if the laptop doesn't have a numpad. 

 

If it were me, I'd probably buy a USB numpad and use the desktop layout.  I don't like laptop layouts in any screen-reader. 

 

I don't know where or how your are looking at commands but you appear to somehow be looking at them incorrectly.  Are you using the quick key reference in help>  In that reference, commands are given as desktop layout, then on the next line laptop, then touch gesture, if any. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: anthony borg

Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 4:11 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] query

 

Hi gene

 

Many thanks for your prompt reply, yes I guess as you said I have to change to laptop mode, 

 

To read the current line I use the NVDA key plus down arrow as you explained, but it keeps reading the whole page as well.

 

I hope you will be able to understand what I mean.

 

Best regards

 

Anthony  

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene New Zealand
Sent: 08 June 2017 10:26
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] query

 

hi

 

how are you driving nvda on the computer and is your keyboard layout set to desktop or laptop? the default if i remember is desktop and can be changed under the keyboard settings in NVDA.

 

Are you arrowing down line by line with the down arrow key? or do you want it to read the current line? it is the nvda key + up arrow key to read the current line with a desktop.

 

I am also guessing in the document formatting section of nvda you have the following checked. for example line numbers checked. Uncheck it then tab down to the ok button then press the enter key. NVDA might have to be restarted for it to take affect. Then try it again.

 

Gene nz

 

 

On 8/06/2017 8:01 PM, anthony borg wrote:

Hello all

 

Can somebody explain to me, what I should do to read a current line because according to the guide, I should press NVDA plus control plus the fullstop,but it didn’t work.

 

The second question is, what should I do to stop the NVDA to read the number of each line in an email or document?

 

Thanks in advance

 

Anthony     

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Edward Green
Sent: 07 June 2017 21:52
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: query

 

Hi Devin,


Go to the NVDA menu with NVDA+N, go into Preferences, and choose Punctuation/Symbol pronunciation.

 

You can stop it saying “Carriage return” in there.

 

Cheers,

 

Ed

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Devin Prater
Sent: 07 June 2017 15:24
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Carriage return

 

I’m talking about using right arrow. Carriage return just sounds really wordy and I’m not sure new users would know what it means. No, I guess Blank wouldn’t be best, but new line would be great.

 

Devin Prater
Assistive Technology Instructor in training, JAWS certified.

 

From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2017 9:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Carriage return

 

What are you describing?  If I down arrow through a document in any application, a blank line is announced as blank.  If I move character by character, a carriage return is announced as carriage return.  I suppose this could be shortened to return but I don't have any feelings about that one way or another.  But there should certainly be a distinction of this type when moving by character.  Saying blank is inaccurate when moving by character but it isn't blank.  It’s a formatting character.

 

Are you saying that in the Windows e-mail app, when moving by down arrowing blank lines aren't indicated with the word blank? 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

 

From: Devin Prater

Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2017 8:41 AM

Subject: [nvda] Carriage return

 

Hi all. Coming from Linux and Mac, I was a little surprised to find that, at least in the Windows 10 mail app, NVDA shows a new line as carriage return. Is this necessary now? Shouldn’t this be changed to something more understandable, like new line, or even blank?

 

Devin Prater
Assistive Technology Instructor in training, JAWS certified.

 

 

 

--

Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


anthony borg
 

Hi gene

 

If you don’t mind when you have time, can you please send me a lis of the most used shortcuts in NVDA?

 

And also, can you please explain to me what tha jarte used for?

 

Thanks in advance

 

Anthony borg  

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene New Zealand
Sent: 08 June 2017 10:26
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] query

 

hi

 

how are you driving nvda on the computer and is your keyboard layout set to desktop or laptop? the default if i remember is desktop and can be changed under the keyboard settings in NVDA.

 

Are you arrowing down line by line with the down arrow key? or do you want it to read the current line? it is the nvda key + up arrow key to read the current line with a desktop.

 

I am also guessing in the document formatting section of nvda you have the following checked. for example line numbers checked. Uncheck it then tab down to the ok button then press the enter key. NVDA might have to be restarted for it to take affect. Then try it again.

 

Gene nz

 

 

On 8/06/2017 8:01 PM, anthony borg wrote:

Hello all

 

Can somebody explain to me, what I should do to read a current line because according to the guide, I should press NVDA plus control plus the fullstop,but it didn’t work.

 

The second question is, what should I do to stop the NVDA to read the number of each line in an email or document?

 

Thanks in advance

 

Anthony     

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Edward Green
Sent: 07 June 2017 21:52
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: query

 

Hi Devin,


Go to the NVDA menu with NVDA+N, go into Preferences, and choose Punctuation/Symbol pronunciation.

 

You can stop it saying “Carriage return” in there.

 

Cheers,

 

Ed

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Devin Prater
Sent: 07 June 2017 15:24
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Carriage return

 

I’m talking about using right arrow. Carriage return just sounds really wordy and I’m not sure new users would know what it means. No, I guess Blank wouldn’t be best, but new line would be great.

 

Devin Prater
Assistive Technology Instructor in training, JAWS certified.

 

From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2017 9:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Carriage return

 

What are you describing?  If I down arrow through a document in any application, a blank line is announced as blank.  If I move character by character, a carriage return is announced as carriage return.  I suppose this could be shortened to return but I don't have any feelings about that one way or another.  But there should certainly be a distinction of this type when moving by character.  Saying blank is inaccurate when moving by character but it isn't blank.  It’s a formatting character.

 

Are you saying that in the Windows e-mail app, when moving by down arrowing blank lines aren't indicated with the word blank? 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

 

Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2017 8:41 AM

Subject: [nvda] Carriage return

 

Hi all. Coming from Linux and Mac, I was a little surprised to find that, at least in the Windows 10 mail app, NVDA shows a new line as carriage return. Is this necessary now? Shouldn’t this be changed to something more understandable, like new line, or even blank?

 

Devin Prater
Assistive Technology Instructor in training, JAWS certified.

 

 

 

--

Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Gene
 

Instead of listing commands, I'll provide a brief tutorial I did recently which lists some and gives a link to a popular tutorial.  Also, I'll describe how to use the quick keys reference guide. 
Main new steps start on new lines.
Open the NVDA menu with NVDA key n. 
Type h to open help.
Down arrow to the quick keys reference and press enter. 
The quick commands page will open in your default browser. 
Move from category to category using the letter h.  Move back with shift h.
Once at a category you want to examine, down arrow through the items. 
 
Here, below my signature, is the tutorial
 
The tutorial is about moving from Window-eyes to NVDA but anyone can use it to learn NVDA commands.
Gene
 
Moving from Window-eyes to NVDA
A very short tutorial telling you just what you need to know to do a lot of what
you did before.
 
First, a word about using the tutorial.  I explain concepts in the tutorial but
much of what I do is to give commands that are different in NVDA.  As I explain, a
lot of what you do won't change but certain things will require different commands.
 
 To use this tutorial effectively, practicing many commands I give might be very
useful.  For example, when I give screen review commands, stopping reading and
practicing in this document might help you remember and learn them.  When I
describe input help, turning it on and trying different keys and combinations of
keys might be helpful.  You will find, for example, that the screen review commands
I give are announced when you have key describer on and issue the commands.  That
will help you review quickly and efficiently if you for get any of them, something
that is far more likely to occur in the laptop layout than the desktop layout. 
Now that I've suggested ways to use it effectively, the tutorial begins.
 
Many people are apprehensive about switching to NVDA or any other screen-reader
from Window-eyes.  This tutorial will explain and demonstrate that such
apprehensions are largely based on misunderstandings. 
Before I discuss the misunderstanding that causes most of this apprehension, I'll
briefly discuss installing NVDA and changing the synthesizer used and speech
parameters.
 
NVDA has a talking installer.  run the file as you would any installation file. 
you may get a dialog asking if you want to run the file.  Use the command alt r
for run.  If you get a UAC prompt, answer alt y. 
Run narrator.  Then run the NVDA installer. 
when you run the installer, there will be a pause and then a bit of music will
play.  Not long after, the talking installer will run.  Unload Narrator at that
point.  return to the install dialog.
Tab through the dchoices.  Accept the license agreement and then tab to install. 
You will get other options but install is the one you want.
 
Don't stop using NvDA because of the voice.  A lot of people don't try NVDA because
of the voice.  As soon as you get it set up, I'll tell you how to change the
synthesizer used.
 
When NVDA is installed and running, a dialog box comes up with some explanatory
text and the ability to set one or two options.  While I know a lot of people very
much dislike the default voice, it's worth listening to the dialog and looking at
the settings by tabbing through them. 
I would recommend checking the check box to use caps lock as an NVDA modifier. 
You'll see why I recommend this in later discussion.
 
After you go through the initial parameters dialog, it's time to learn how to change the synthesizer. 
 
First, a word on terminology.  By default, NVDA uses either insert in combination with other keys to give commands to the screen-reader.  I shall refer to the NVDA key when I am refering to these keys.  also, you can tell NVDA to use the caps lock key as an NVDA key as well.  At times, this is very convenient. When I say NVDA key, it refers to any of these keys.
 
To change the synthesizer, issue the command control NVDA key s. 
A synthesizer selection dialog will open.
You will see a list of different possibly available synthesizers.  Choose SAPI 5. 
I know everyone has at least one SAPI 5 voice on their machine.  Up and down arrow
through the list and stop on SAPI five.  Press enter.
You will now hear another voice.  It may be the same voice you hear in Narrator. 
Now issue the command control NVDA key v.
You are now in the voice selection and adjustment dialog. 
Up and down arrow to see what voices are available.  Stop on the one you want. 
Now tab through the dialog and change settings for the voice. 
Once you find a voice you want and tab through and set whatever you want such as
speed and punctuation, press the ok button. 
 
Now, let's continue with what I spoke of at the start of this tutorial.  The
misunderstanding that makes the switch to NVDA from Window-eyes or from any other screen-reader seem daunting is that the user doesn't
realize that most of the commands he/she uses are Windows commands and program
commands and they won't change.
Consider the following examples:
Opening menus was and still is alt.  That's a Windows command to open menus in
programs.  It's the same no matter which screen-reader you use. 
Control o for open doesn't change.  Using the arrow keys to move in a document
doesn't change.  Tabbing through dialogs doesn't change.  Neither does how you move
in a list or a treeview or work with a combo box, and the list goes on. 
Screen-reader commands, many of which may change, such as read title bar, provide
access to information you can't get or can't get conveniently by using Windows or
program commands.  for example, read title bar.  In Window-eyes, the command is
control shift t.  In NVDA, it's NVDA key t. 
The title bar is something a sighted person looks at.  You can't move to it with
the pc cursor or application cursor, whatever you wish to call it, because there is
no need.  A sighted person can just see it.  So the screen-reader has a command,
read title bar.  That command is not a Windows nor a program command.
Here are the screen-reader commands you will need to know to allow you to do a lot
of what you did before.
To unload NVDA, NVDA key q then enter.
Read title bar, NVDA key t. 
Time, NVDA key f12. 
Announce formatting information, NVDA key f.
Read current Window, NVDA b.  In Window-eyes the command is control shift w. 
Read to end, NVDA key down arrow.  Use the down arrow on the main keyboard.
In the laptop layout, read to end is NVDA key a. 
Stop speech with control, as with screen-readers in general. 
 
I'm about to discuss screen-review commands.  those let you review the screen
without changing the position of the cursor when editing a document, or changing
where you are in a dialog or anywhere else.  But first, I'll point out that
Commands such as left arrow, right arrow, control home, control end, control left
arrow, and control right arrow are Windows movement commands for moving in any
standard edit field including word processor edit fields.  None of them will
change.
 
Screen review commands:
Note the pattern as I give these commands:
Read previous line, numpad 7. 
Read current line, numpad 8.
Read next line numpad nine.
You move in screen review to the previous or next line when you issue those
commands.  You can keep moving and reading until you get to the top or bottom of
the screen.
Read previous word, numpad 4.
Read current word, numpad 5.
Read next word, numpad 6.
Read previous character, numpad 1.
Read current character, numpad 2.
Read next character, numpad 3.
Note the pattern.  Read current is the key in the middle of each of these rows.
Move to and read previous is the key on the left. 
Move to and read next is the key to the right.
The lower the numbers the smaller the movement unit.  1 2 and 3 move by character. 
4 5 and 6 move by word, etc.
Now, here are the laptop layout review commands:
Read current line, NVDA key shift  period
Move to and read next line, NVDA key down arrow.
Move to and read previous line NVDA key up arrow.
Read current word NVDA key control period
Read previous word NVDA key control left arrow
Read next word NVDA key control right arrow
Announce current character NVDA key period.
Move to and read previous character NVDA key left arrow
Move to and read next character NVDA right arrow.
After a little more discussion, I'll tell you how to change the keyboard layout to
laptop.
Getting back to the review keys in the laptop layout, There are sort of patterns
in the laptop layout but not the kind of uniform pattern as in the desktop layout.
 If I had a laptop computer without a numpad, I'd buy a USB numpad and not fool
around with the laptop layout.  But you can decide that for yourself.  But aside
from predictable keys such as that period is used for current, and that left and
right arrows are useed with modifiers, you can't generalize more.  Such patterns
are not followed in every previous and next item.  In one of the previous and next
items, up and down arrow is used. 
 
I shall now explain how to change the layout from the desktop to the laptop layout
and discuss causing the caps lock to be used as an NVDA key.  If you add capslock,
you can still use either insert.  there are times when caps lock is very
convenient.
 
to open the keyboard layout issue the command control NVDA key k.
You are now in a list of layouts.
the desktop is the default and the first in the list. 
If you want to switch to the laptop layout, down arrow once and then tab to and
activate the ok button. 
 
You will notice as you tab, check boxes about which keys serve as the NVDA key.
Caps lock is not checked.  Check it with the space bar.
You can stay in the desk top layout and still tab and see these check boxes.  I
use the caps lock key as an NVDA key often and I use the desktop layout.  I find
it much more convenient to use for the read to end command.  I hold caps lock and
press down arrow.  That is, to me, much more convenient than using insert down
arrow, regardless of which insert I use. 
If you want to toggle caps lock on and off for typing, press it twice quickly.  If
you press it once and hold it, it serves as an NVDA key.  If you press it twice
quickly, it toggles caps lock on and off.
 
Here are two more important commands:
Jump to top of window, shift numpad 7.
Laptop layout command:
control NVDA key home.
Jump to bottom of window is shift numpad 9.
Laptop layout command:
Control NVDA key end.
 
I've said top and bottom of Window but that's oversimplified.  It depends what kind
of review mode you are using.  I won't go into that to any extent in this very
short tutorial. 
 
If you are reviewing material in a word processor, use the review commands I've
given. 
If you are in a dialog or some other structures, in order to see what is on screen,
change to screen review mode.  to do this, use the command NVDA key numpad 7.  Here, it is most convenient to use the numpad insert as the NVDA key in the desktop layout. 
In the laptop layout, the command is NVDA key page up.  Issue the command and
repeat it if necessary until you hear screen review. 
then you can use the review commands such as numpad 7, 8 9, etc. to review what is
on screen.  Use the same commands I gave earlier for review.
 
To left click with the mouse, route the mouse to the review position with the
command NVDA key numpad slash. In the desktop layout, again it is most convenient to use the numpad insert.  Then left click with numpad slash by itself.  That is the same command you left click wwith
in Window-eyes.  If you want to right click, route the mouse with the same command,
NVDA key numpad slash, then use numpad star, the key immediately to the right
of numpad slash, the key immediately to the right of the left click key.  In other words, you right click with the same key you use in
Window-eyes.
 
After you have finished working in screen review, it is very important to return
to object review.  Issue the command NVDA key numpad one in the desktop
layout. Again, the numpad insert is most convenient to use. the laptop layout command is NVDA Key page down.  Repeat the command  if
necessary until you hear object review.  If you don't do this, you will often hear
incorrect information about where you are when you do various things in NVDA. 
Screen review, though the commands are different, is similar in concept to using
the mouse pointer in Window-eyes.  Object navigation is different from any review
mode in Window-eyes.  I won't teach its use here but you will find a discussion of
it in a tutorial I will give an address for later in this tutorial.  Depending on
how you use your computer, you may find it very useful. 
 
That is just about all I will teach in this very short tutorial.  As I said, its
purpose is to allow you to do much of what you do with Window-eyes quickly and
easily.  But  I'll tell you a few more things.
 
Internet browsing:
When you are on a web page, quick navigation commands are almost identical whether
you are using NVDA or Window-eyes. 
Move by headings is h.  Skip blocks of links is n. 
Move to next button is b, 
Next combo box is c.
Next check box is x.
NVDA has an input help mode which is similar to what is in Window-eyes.  NVDA key and
1 on the main keyboard turns it on.  When you press a key or combination of keys
that might be a command, you will hear what the keys are and what, if any command
they execute.  This varies depending on where you are.
When in a browser that supports browse mode, typing a lot of individual letters
will give you information about what the keys do in browse mode.  I already gave
much of that information above but you may want to press a lot of keys using input
mode in a browser. 
To turn input mode off use the same command you used to turn it on, NVDA key 1.
 
to learn more about NVDA, a popular tutorial is available at
http://www.josephsl.net/tutorials
On that page, you will see links to download different sections of the tutorial dealing with
different subjects.  You can also download the entire tutorial as a zip file.
 
There is also an e-mail list for NVDA users.  To join, send a blank message to this
address:
nvda+subscribe@nvda.groups.io
 
I hope that this tutorial has removed much of your apprehension about switching to
NVDA.  Now, as you wish or need, you may consult the tutorial I gave a link to. 
NVDA is a powerful screen-reader and it will meet a lot of users needs as well as
JAWS or Window-eyes does.  I hope this very short tutorial gives you a good
foundation on which to build confidence that the transition should be much easier
than you may have thought and that it will help make it much more enjoyable.
Gene


anthony borg
 

Hi gene

 

Many thanks for your prompt help and support which I really appreciated very much.

 

I’m sure that the tutorial you have sent me would be of a great help for me.

 

Thanks once again, and wishing you a very good weekend,

 

Kindest regards

 

Anthony

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 10 June 2017 14:45
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] query

 

Instead of listing commands, I'll provide a brief tutorial I did recently which lists some and gives a link to a popular tutorial.  Also, I'll describe how to use the quick keys reference guide. 

Main new steps start on new lines.

Open the NVDA menu with NVDA key n. 

Type h to open help.

Down arrow to the quick keys reference and press enter. 

The quick commands page will open in your default browser. 

Move from category to category using the letter h.  Move back with shift h.

Once at a category you want to examine, down arrow through the items. 

 

Here, below my signature, is the tutorial

 

The tutorial is about moving from Window-eyes to NVDA but anyone can use it to learn NVDA commands.

Gene

 

Moving from Window-eyes to NVDA
A very short tutorial telling you just what you need to know to do a lot of what
you did before.

 

First, a word about using the tutorial.  I explain concepts in the tutorial but
much of what I do is to give commands that are different in NVDA.  As I explain, a
lot of what you do won't change but certain things will require different commands.

 

 To use this tutorial effectively, practicing many commands I give might be very
useful.  For example, when I give screen review commands, stopping reading and
practicing in this document might help you remember and learn them.  When I
describe input help, turning it on and trying different keys and combinations of
keys might be helpful.  You will find, for example, that the screen review commands
I give are announced when you have key describer on and issue the commands.  That
will help you review quickly and efficiently if you for get any of them, something
that is far more likely to occur in the laptop layout than the desktop layout. 
Now that I've suggested ways to use it effectively, the tutorial begins.

 

Many people are apprehensive about switching to NVDA or any other screen-reader
from Window-eyes.  This tutorial will explain and demonstrate that such
apprehensions are largely based on misunderstandings. 
Before I discuss the misunderstanding that causes most of this apprehension, I'll
briefly discuss installing NVDA and changing the synthesizer used and speech
parameters.

 

NVDA has a talking installer.  run the file as you would any installation file. 
you may get a dialog asking if you want to run the file.  Use the command alt r
for run.  If you get a UAC prompt, answer alt y. 
Run narrator.  Then run the NVDA installer. 
when you run the installer, there will be a pause and then a bit of music will
play.  Not long after, the talking installer will run.  Unload Narrator at that
point.  return to the install dialog.
Tab through the dchoices.  Accept the license agreement and then tab to install. 
You will get other options but install is the one you want.

 

Don't stop using NvDA because of the voice.  A lot of people don't try NVDA because
of the voice.  As soon as you get it set up, I'll tell you how to change the
synthesizer used.

 

When NVDA is installed and running, a dialog box comes up with some explanatory
text and the ability to set one or two options.  While I know a lot of people very
much dislike the default voice, it's worth listening to the dialog and looking at
the settings by tabbing through them. 
I would recommend checking the check box to use caps lock as an NVDA modifier. 
You'll see why I recommend this in later discussion.

 

After you go through the initial parameters dialog, it's time to learn how to change the synthesizer. 

 

First, a word on terminology.  By default, NVDA uses either insert in combination with other keys to give commands to the screen-reader.  I shall refer to the NVDA key when I am refering to these keys.  also, you can tell NVDA to use the caps lock key as an NVDA key as well.  At times, this is very convenient. When I say NVDA key, it refers to any of these keys.

 

To change the synthesizer, issue the command control NVDA key s. 
A synthesizer selection dialog will open.
You will see a list of different possibly available synthesizers.  Choose SAPI 5. 
I know everyone has at least one SAPI 5 voice on their machine.  Up and down arrow
through the list and stop on SAPI five.  Press enter.
You will now hear another voice.  It may be the same voice you hear in Narrator. 
Now issue the command control NVDA key v.
You are now in the voice selection and adjustment dialog. 
Up and down arrow to see what voices are available.  Stop on the one you want. 
Now tab through the dialog and change settings for the voice. 
Once you find a voice you want and tab through and set whatever you want such as
speed and punctuation, press the ok button. 

 

Now, let's continue with what I spoke of at the start of this tutorial.  The
misunderstanding that makes the switch to NVDA from Window-eyes or from any other screen-reader seem daunting is that the user doesn't
realize that most of the commands he/she uses are Windows commands and program
commands and they won't change.
Consider the following examples:
Opening menus was and still is alt.  That's a Windows command to open menus in
programs.  It's the same no matter which screen-reader you use. 
Control o for open doesn't change.  Using the arrow keys to move in a document
doesn't change.  Tabbing through dialogs doesn't change.  Neither does how you move
in a list or a treeview or work with a combo box, and the list goes on. 
Screen-reader commands, many of which may change, such as read title bar, provide
access to information you can't get or can't get conveniently by using Windows or
program commands.  for example, read title bar.  In Window-eyes, the command is
control shift t.  In NVDA, it's NVDA key t. 
The title bar is something a sighted person looks at.  You can't move to it with
the pc cursor or application cursor, whatever you wish to call it, because there is
no need.  A sighted person can just see it.  So the screen-reader has a command,
read title bar.  That command is not a Windows nor a program command.
Here are the screen-reader commands you will need to know to allow you to do a lot
of what you did before.
To unload NVDA, NVDA key q then enter.
Read title bar, NVDA key t. 
Time, NVDA key f12. 
Announce formatting information, NVDA key f.
Read current Window, NVDA b.  In Window-eyes the command is control shift w. 
Read to end, NVDA key down arrow.  Use the down arrow on the main keyboard.
In the laptop layout, read to end is NVDA key a. 
Stop speech with control, as with screen-readers in general. 

 

I'm about to discuss screen-review commands.  those let you review the screen
without changing the position of the cursor when editing a document, or changing
where you are in a dialog or anywhere else.  But first, I'll point out that
Commands such as left arrow, right arrow, control home, control end, control left
arrow, and control right arrow are Windows movement commands for moving in any
standard edit field including word processor edit fields.  None of them will
change.

 

Screen review commands:
Note the pattern as I give these commands:
Read previous line, numpad 7. 
Read current line, numpad 8.
Read next line numpad nine.
You move in screen review to the previous or next line when you issue those
commands.  You can keep moving and reading until you get to the top or bottom of
the screen.
Read previous word, numpad 4.
Read current word, numpad 5.
Read next word, numpad 6.
Read previous character, numpad 1.
Read current character, numpad 2.
Read next character, numpad 3.
Note the pattern.  Read current is the key in the middle of each of these rows.
Move to and read previous is the key on the left. 
Move to and read next is the key to the right.
The lower the numbers the smaller the movement unit.  1 2 and 3 move by character. 
4 5 and 6 move by word, etc.
Now, here are the laptop layout review commands:
Read current line, NVDA key shift  period
Move to and read next line, NVDA key down arrow.
Move to and read previous line NVDA key up arrow.
Read current word NVDA key control period
Read previous word NVDA key control left arrow
Read next word NVDA key control right arrow
Announce current character NVDA key period.
Move to and read previous character NVDA key left arrow
Move to and read next character NVDA right arrow.
After a little more discussion, I'll tell you how to change the keyboard layout to
laptop.
Getting back to the review keys in the laptop layout, There are sort of patterns
in the laptop layout but not the kind of uniform pattern as in the desktop layout.
 If I had a laptop computer without a numpad, I'd buy a USB numpad and not fool
around with the laptop layout.  But you can decide that for yourself.  But aside
from predictable keys such as that period is used for current, and that left and
right arrows are useed with modifiers, you can't generalize more.  Such patterns
are not followed in every previous and next item.  In one of the previous and next
items, up and down arrow is used. 

 

I shall now explain how to change the layout from the desktop to the laptop layout
and discuss causing the caps lock to be used as an NVDA key.  If you add capslock,
you can still use either insert.  there are times when caps lock is very
convenient.

 

to open the keyboard layout issue the command control NVDA key k.
You are now in a list of layouts.
the desktop is the default and the first in the list. 
If you want to switch to the laptop layout, down arrow once and then tab to and
activate the ok button. 

 

You will notice as you tab, check boxes about which keys serve as the NVDA key.
Caps lock is not checked.  Check it with the space bar.
You can stay in the desk top layout and still tab and see these check boxes.  I
use the caps lock key as an NVDA key often and I use the desktop layout.  I find
it much more convenient to use for the read to end command.  I hold caps lock and
press down arrow.  That is, to me, much more convenient than using insert down
arrow, regardless of which insert I use. 
If you want to toggle caps lock on and off for typing, press it twice quickly.  If
you press it once and hold it, it serves as an NVDA key.  If you press it twice
quickly, it toggles caps lock on and off.

 

Here are two more important commands:
Jump to top of window, shift numpad 7.
Laptop layout command:
control NVDA key home.
Jump to bottom of window is shift numpad 9.
Laptop layout command:
Control NVDA key end.

 

I've said top and bottom of Window but that's oversimplified.  It depends what kind
of review mode you are using.  I won't go into that to any extent in this very
short tutorial. 

 

If you are reviewing material in a word processor, use the review commands I've
given. 
If you are in a dialog or some other structures, in order to see what is on screen,
change to screen review mode.  to do this, use the command NVDA key numpad 7.  Here, it is most convenient to use the numpad insert as the NVDA key in the desktop layout. 
In the laptop layout, the command is NVDA key page up.  Issue the command and
repeat it if necessary until you hear screen review. 
then you can use the review commands such as numpad 7, 8 9, etc. to review what is
on screen.  Use the same commands I gave earlier for review.

 

To left click with the mouse, route the mouse to the review position with the
command NVDA key numpad slash. In the desktop layout, again it is most convenient to use the numpad insert.  Then left click with numpad slash by itself.  That is the same command you left click wwith
in Window-eyes.  If you want to right click, route the mouse with the same command,
NVDA key numpad slash, then use numpad star, the key immediately to the right
of numpad slash, the key immediately to the right of the left click key.  In other words, you right click with the same key you use in
Window-eyes.

 

After you have finished working in screen review, it is very important to return
to object review.  Issue the command NVDA key numpad one in the desktop
layout. Again, the numpad insert is most convenient to use. the laptop layout command is NVDA Key page down.  Repeat the command  if
necessary until you hear object review.  If you don't do this, you will often hear
incorrect information about where you are when you do various things in NVDA. 
Screen review, though the commands are different, is similar in concept to using
the mouse pointer in Window-eyes.  Object navigation is different from any review
mode in Window-eyes.  I won't teach its use here but you will find a discussion of
it in a tutorial I will give an address for later in this tutorial.  Depending on
how you use your computer, you may find it very useful. 

 

That is just about all I will teach in this very short tutorial.  As I said, its
purpose is to allow you to do much of what you do with Window-eyes quickly and
easily.  But  I'll tell you a few more things.

 

Internet browsing:
When you are on a web page, quick navigation commands are almost identical whether
you are using NVDA or Window-eyes. 
Move by headings is h.  Skip blocks of links is n. 
Move to next button is b, 
Next combo box is c.
Next check box is x.
NVDA has an input help mode which is similar to what is in Window-eyes.  NVDA key and
1 on the main keyboard turns it on.  When you press a key or combination of keys
that might be a command, you will hear what the keys are and what, if any command
they execute.  This varies depending on where you are.
When in a browser that supports browse mode, typing a lot of individual letters
will give you information about what the keys do in browse mode.  I already gave
much of that information above but you may want to press a lot of keys using input
mode in a browser. 
To turn input mode off use the same command you used to turn it on, NVDA key 1.

 

to learn more about NVDA, a popular tutorial is available at
http://www.josephsl.net/tutorials
On that page, you will see links to download different sections of the tutorial dealing with
different subjects.  You can also download the entire tutorial as a zip file.

 

There is also an e-mail list for NVDA users.  To join, send a blank message to this
address:
nvda+subscribe@nvda.groups.io

 

I hope that this tutorial has removed much of your apprehension about switching to
NVDA.  Now, as you wish or need, you may consult the tutorial I gave a link to. 
NVDA is a powerful screen-reader and it will meet a lot of users needs as well as
JAWS or Window-eyes does.  I hope this very short tutorial gives you a good
foundation on which to build confidence that the transition should be much easier
than you may have thought and that it will help make it much more enjoyable.

Gene


anthony borg
 

Hi folks

 

Can somebody explain to me how to use the youtube downloader with NVDA, to be able to download something from youtube please? 

 

Thanks in advance

 

Anthony

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 19 June 2017 10:12
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: query

 

I can't speak for Joseph but when I read the exchange, you asking about where to get the add on isn't the issue at all.  the issue is that you said you weren't going to use the e-mail app until it was straightened out when Joseph was explaining that the e-mail app works properly with the Windows 10 app and was giving you explicit instructions to see if the problem is caused by not using the app or by using an old version. 

 

Then, when you cooled off, you decided to try what Joseph suggested, but the frustration caused by your previous messages has already been caused and it doesn't just disappear right away.  I've seen you do this before with other people who have been trying to help with other problems.  If you do this, I can't speak for Joseph but my reaction to such behavior is, fine, if you don't want my help, I'll stop trying.  then when you decide to try to solve the problem after all, I'll probably decide to help again but that doesn't mean I'm still not annoyed about what you did previously. 

 

If you want help, please cool off before you respond and don't write  things, in the heat of frustration and annoyance, that you decide to not act on shortly after.  If you are angry or frustrated, waiting for a time before responding will help you control such negative behavior that really puts those who are trying to help you off.

 

Gene

-=-----

Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 10:57 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] looks like the new add-on worked

 

               

 

 

Hi, Joseph,

 

I do agree that we all should try different things before we give up. That goes for anything in life—not just technology. I remember one time trying to learn how to knit socks but after a while, I discovered it was hard for me and I really put forth the effort to do it. The main thing is that I have the mail app working like I want it to now.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 8:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] looks like the new add-on worked

 

Hi Rosemarie,

The other thing I wanted you and others to learn is trying out various routes before giving up.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 8:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] looks like the new add-on worked

 

Hi, Joseph,

 

The main thing I learned is patience. I’ve been on technical lists where I felt my questions weren’t being answered even though I tried to the best of my ability to explain what was going on. I’m not quite the technical person some of you on here are so it’s not always easy to explain things. I guess I’ll just go to the add-ons site and look for myself from now on. That’s all I have to say.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 8:13 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] looks like the new add-on worked

 

Hi Rosemarie,

So what did you learn from this situation? I hope you learned at least three things today.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 8:03 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] looks like the new add-on worked

 

Hi, everyone,

 

I just installed the new add-on and now the mail app is working like a charm. Sorry for all the frustration.

 

Rosemarie

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 

 


Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi


the following page might help you. Off this page is a tutorial on using the free u tube down loader program with NVDA. the page can be found at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/nvda%20tutorials%20for%20other%20programs.html

when you are on the page you can jump down by headings to the tutorial. There is a link just under it to the tutorial

There is a audio one and i just looked there is a written one that is not linked at present, but will link it shortly.

gene nz



On 6/19/2017 8:56 PM, anthony borg wrote:

Hi folks

 

Can somebody explain to me how to use the youtube downloader with NVDA, to be able to download something from youtube please? 

 

Thanks in advance

 

Anthony

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 19 June 2017 10:12
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: query

 

I can't speak for Joseph but when I read the exchange, you asking about where to get the add on isn't the issue at all.  the issue is that you said you weren't going to use the e-mail app until it was straightened out when Joseph was explaining that the e-mail app works properly with the Windows 10 app and was giving you explicit instructions to see if the problem is caused by not using the app or by using an old version. 

 

Then, when you cooled off, you decided to try what Joseph suggested, but the frustration caused by your previous messages has already been caused and it doesn't just disappear right away.  I've seen you do this before with other people who have been trying to help with other problems.  If you do this, I can't speak for Joseph but my reaction to such behavior is, fine, if you don't want my help, I'll stop trying.  then when you decide to try to solve the problem after all, I'll probably decide to help again but that doesn't mean I'm still not annoyed about what you did previously. 

 

If you want help, please cool off before you respond and don't write  things, in the heat of frustration and annoyance, that you decide to not act on shortly after.  If you are angry or frustrated, waiting for a time before responding will help you control such negative behavior that really puts those who are trying to help you off.

 

Gene

-=-----

Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 10:57 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] looks like the new add-on worked

 

               

 

 

Hi, Joseph,

 

I do agree that we all should try different things before we give up. That goes for anything in life—not just technology. I remember one time trying to learn how to knit socks but after a while, I discovered it was hard for me and I really put forth the effort to do it. The main thing is that I have the mail app working like I want it to now.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 8:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] looks like the new add-on worked

 

Hi Rosemarie,

The other thing I wanted you and others to learn is trying out various routes before giving up.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 8:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] looks like the new add-on worked

 

Hi, Joseph,

 

The main thing I learned is patience. I’ve been on technical lists where I felt my questions weren’t being answered even though I tried to the best of my ability to explain what was going on. I’m not quite the technical person some of you on here are so it’s not always easy to explain things. I guess I’ll just go to the add-ons site and look for myself from now on. That’s all I have to say.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 8:13 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] looks like the new add-on worked

 

Hi Rosemarie,

So what did you learn from this situation? I hope you learned at least three things today.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 8:03 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] looks like the new add-on worked

 

Hi, everyone,

 

I just installed the new add-on and now the mail app is working like a charm. Sorry for all the frustration.

 

Rosemarie

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 

 


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