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Ibrahim Ajayi
 

Hi good people:
I am having two different problems which I will like you chas to address.
The first problem is with the NVDA screen reader itself.
When I start my computer, and the screen reader turns up, and I hear
"loading NVDA please wait:" nothing comes up again. I have to press
the key combination alttab twice to get back to NVDA, to hear "welcome
to NVDA dialog. What exactly is happening here:
Added to that, It is just too slow, when I am working on the
internet. Many times, it crashes when i am on a website, and I have
to go back to the desktop, to start it again.
Sometimes, it take for ever for it to start reading a website. It
sometimes crashes the site, and never gets to read anything. All I
hear is Icon Icon.
Is there anything I can do to fix this problem? I have NVDA 2019.2 on
my computer.
I preferrably use Mozilla firefox as my browser.
The second issue or problem is this:
When I download a program and I attempt to install it, all I hear is
the program name mentioned, then set up, and nothing gets set up.
I hope this particular problem is well understood.
How can I get to set up these programs when I hear set up, and after a
long wait, nothing gets set up or installed.
I need help with both issues.
Kind regards.
Ibrahim.


Sascha Cowley
 

Regarding the first problem, it sounds like you either have too many background services running, or your system is simply not powerful enough to run a screen-reader comfortably. Although NVDA is (as far as I know) one of the most lightweight screen-readers around, unfortunately all such programs are necessarily somewhat resource intensive. Without knowing more information (E.G. what version of Windows you're running), I can't say anything more specific. It could also be an issue of NVDA addons. Have you recently installed any? Do you have a lot of addons installed?

Turning to your second issue, have you tried switching to the installer or UAC window? Sometimes they don't always come to the foreground. It could also be a matter of Windows Smart Screen. I believe this is accessible with NVDA, but may need to be switched to as well. Beyond that, I can't help as I have it disabled.

On 12/11/2019 11:08, Ibrahim Ajayi wrote:
Hi good people:
I am having two different problems which I will like you chas to address.
The first problem is with the NVDA screen reader itself.
When I start my computer, and the screen reader turns up, and I hear
"loading NVDA please wait:" nothing comes up again. I have to press
the key combination alttab twice to get back to NVDA, to hear "welcome
to NVDA dialog. What exactly is happening here:
Added to that, It is just too slow, when I am working on the
internet. Many times, it crashes when i am on a website, and I have
to go back to the desktop, to start it again.
Sometimes, it take for ever for it to start reading a website. It
sometimes crashes the site, and never gets to read anything. All I
hear is Icon Icon.
Is there anything I can do to fix this problem? I have NVDA 2019.2 on
my computer.
I preferrably use Mozilla firefox as my browser.
The second issue or problem is this:
When I download a program and I attempt to install it, all I hear is
the program name mentioned, then set up, and nothing gets set up.
I hope this particular problem is well understood.
How can I get to set up these programs when I hear set up, and after a
long wait, nothing gets set up or installed.
I need help with both issues.
Kind regards.
Ibrahim.


Gene
 

I would think that these problems are being asked about because the machine used to work properly, but not now.  So the machine shouldn't be underpowered unless some technical problem has occurred to cause a performance problem.  Is that correct, that the machine used to work properly?
 
Also, screen-readers aren't resource intensive.  Running a newer synthesizer uses a fair amount of resources, but if something like E-Speak is being used, the voice isn't resource intensive. 
Other than hardware problems could be the cause.  It could be that malware is on the machine.  what antimalware programs are you running?  I'm not assuming or making much guess about any cause, now, but software problems are far more common than hardware problems.
 
Aside from that, I'm not sure anyone can give proper help unless someone sees logs of the machine.  What do the logs say happens when you try to install a program?  This would be technical information and someone would have to tell you where to find it. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2019 6:43 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Issues:

Regarding the first problem, it sounds like you either have too many
background services running, or your system is simply not powerful
enough to run a screen-reader comfortably. Although NVDA is (as far as I
know) one of the most lightweight screen-readers around, unfortunately
all such programs are necessarily somewhat resource intensive. Without
knowing more information (E.G. what version of Windows you're running),
I can't say anything more specific. It could also be an issue of NVDA
addons. Have you recently installed any? Do you have a lot of addons
installed?

Turning to your second issue, have you tried switching to the installer
or UAC window? Sometimes they don't always come to the foreground. It
could also be a matter of Windows Smart Screen. I believe this is
accessible with NVDA, but may need to be switched to as well. Beyond
that, I can't help as I have it disabled.

On 12/11/2019 11:08, Ibrahim Ajayi wrote:
> Hi good people:
> I am having two different problems which I will like you chas to address.
> The first problem is with the NVDA screen reader itself.
> When I start my computer, and the screen reader turns up, and I hear
> "loading NVDA please wait:" nothing comes up again.  I have to press
> the key combination alttab twice to get back to NVDA, to hear "welcome
> to NVDA dialog.  What exactly is happening here:
>   Added to that, It is just too slow, when I am working on the
> internet.  Many times, it crashes when i am on a website, and I have
> to go back to the desktop, to start it again.
> Sometimes, it take for ever for it to start reading a website.  It
> sometimes crashes the site, and never gets to read anything.  All I
> hear is Icon Icon.
> Is there anything I can do to fix this problem? I have NVDA 2019.2 on
> my computer.
> I preferrably use Mozilla firefox as my browser.
> The second issue or problem is this:
> When I download a program and I attempt to install it, all I hear is
> the program name mentioned, then set up, and nothing gets set up.
> I hope this particular problem is well understood.
> How can I get to set up these programs when I hear set up, and after a
> long wait, nothing gets set up or installed.
> I need help with both issues.
> Kind regards.
> Ibrahim.
>
>
>



 

hi.
which version of firefox do you use?
for myself, i promised and i have firm belief that never use more than
firefox 52.3 esr, which have everythings that i need, and i never use
firefox quantum.
i tested firefox 61.0.1 and the result was frequent crashing of
firefox which i never face in none quantum versions of firefox.

On 11/12/19, Ibrahim Ajayi <@kobisko> wrote:
Hi good people:
I am having two different problems which I will like you chas to address.
The first problem is with the NVDA screen reader itself.
When I start my computer, and the screen reader turns up, and I hear
"loading NVDA please wait:" nothing comes up again. I have to press
the key combination alttab twice to get back to NVDA, to hear "welcome
to NVDA dialog. What exactly is happening here:
Added to that, It is just too slow, when I am working on the
internet. Many times, it crashes when i am on a website, and I have
to go back to the desktop, to start it again.
Sometimes, it take for ever for it to start reading a website. It
sometimes crashes the site, and never gets to read anything. All I
hear is Icon Icon.
Is there anything I can do to fix this problem? I have NVDA 2019.2 on
my computer.
I preferrably use Mozilla firefox as my browser.
The second issue or problem is this:
When I download a program and I attempt to install it, all I hear is
the program name mentioned, then set up, and nothing gets set up.
I hope this particular problem is well understood.
How can I get to set up these programs when I hear set up, and after a
long wait, nothing gets set up or installed.
I need help with both issues.
Kind regards.
Ibrahim.



--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


Sarah k Alawami
 

I'm using the latest firefox and don't have any crashing issues, I'd say update and bite the bullet. You will have to anyway at some point.

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website. This is also our libsyn page as well.

to subscribe to the feed click here

Our telegram channel is also a good place for an announce only in regard to podcasts, contests, etc.

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on youtube, twitch and mixer. Thanks Restream staff.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 11 Nov 2019, at 19:57, zahra wrote:

hi.
which version of firefox do you use?
for myself, i promised and i have firm belief that never use more than
firefox 52.3 esr, which have everythings that i need, and i never use
firefox quantum.
i tested firefox 61.0.1 and the result was frequent crashing of
firefox which i never face in none quantum versions of firefox.

On 11/12/19, Ibrahim Ajayi kobisko@... wrote:

Hi good people:
I am having two different problems which I will like you chas to address.
The first problem is with the NVDA screen reader itself.
When I start my computer, and the screen reader turns up, and I hear
"loading NVDA please wait:" nothing comes up again. I have to press
the key combination alttab twice to get back to NVDA, to hear "welcome
to NVDA dialog. What exactly is happening here:
Added to that, It is just too slow, when I am working on the
internet. Many times, it crashes when i am on a website, and I have
to go back to the desktop, to start it again.
Sometimes, it take for ever for it to start reading a website. It
sometimes crashes the site, and never gets to read anything. All I
hear is Icon Icon.
Is there anything I can do to fix this problem? I have NVDA 2019.2 on
my computer.
I preferrably use Mozilla firefox as my browser.
The second issue or problem is this:
When I download a program and I attempt to install it, all I hear is
the program name mentioned, then set up, and nothing gets set up.
I hope this particular problem is well understood.
How can I get to set up these programs when I hear set up, and after a
long wait, nothing gets set up or installed.
I need help with both issues.
Kind regards.
Ibrahim.

--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


 

i never update my browser, operating system, screen reader etc.

On 11/12/19, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:
I'm using the latest firefox and don't have any crashing issues, I'd say
update and bite the bullet. You will have to anyway at some point.

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our
[website.](http://www.tffppodcast.com) This is also our libsyn page as
well.

to subscribe to the feed click [here](http://feeds.feedburner.com/tffp)

Our [telegram](https://t.me/tffppodcast) channel is also a good place
for an announce only in regard to podcasts, contests, etc.

Our [discord](https://discord.gg/fr7MaVK) is where you will know when
we go live on youtube, twitch and mixer. Thanks Restream staff.


Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go
[here](Http://patreon.com/tffppodcast)

On 11 Nov 2019, at 19:57, zahra wrote:

hi.
which version of firefox do you use?
for myself, i promised and i have firm belief that never use more than
firefox 52.3 esr, which have everythings that i need, and i never use
firefox quantum.
i tested firefox 61.0.1 and the result was frequent crashing of
firefox which i never face in none quantum versions of firefox.

On 11/12/19, Ibrahim Ajayi <@kobisko> wrote:
Hi good people:
I am having two different problems which I will like you chas to
address.
The first problem is with the NVDA screen reader itself.
When I start my computer, and the screen reader turns up, and I hear
"loading NVDA please wait:" nothing comes up again. I have to press
the key combination alttab twice to get back to NVDA, to hear
"welcome
to NVDA dialog. What exactly is happening here:
Added to that, It is just too slow, when I am working on the
internet. Many times, it crashes when i am on a website, and I have
to go back to the desktop, to start it again.
Sometimes, it take for ever for it to start reading a website. It
sometimes crashes the site, and never gets to read anything. All I
hear is Icon Icon.
Is there anything I can do to fix this problem? I have NVDA 2019.2 on
my computer.
I preferrably use Mozilla firefox as my browser.
The second issue or problem is this:
When I download a program and I attempt to install it, all I hear is
the program name mentioned, then set up, and nothing gets set up.
I hope this particular problem is well understood.
How can I get to set up these programs when I hear set up, and after
a
long wait, nothing gets set up or installed.
I need help with both issues.
Kind regards.
Ibrahim.




--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali



--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


Shaun Oliver
 

I would like to comment here, and I hope my comments are not out of line.


Firstly, to not update your screenreader, browser or operating system is inherently flawed thinking.


Quite apart from anything else, updating these things plugs up security holes and exploits that were found, hense the updates in the first place.


While updates have their own inherent bugs, issues, holes and the like, they are constantly being plugged, patched and fixed when they are noticed, or insiders, beta testers and developers find or are notified of them.


There are some arguments for not updating, and while they are valid, they are not always practical in that you become susceptible to the aforementioned vulnerabilities.


In the case of windows10, it is not too much of a steep learning curb from windows7 and in many respects provides you with better performance and once you get the hang of it, a more efficient way of performing everyday tasks, as well as tweaking and peaking settings.


Here's where I may come under fire, because it is my personal belief, that to not update or patch your system, especially in this day and age, where crackers, and please note the term I used, as opposed to hackers, are also getting smarter, is the height of folly and stupidity.


I appologise for my harsh words on the subject, but it behooves us as competent computer operators to insure our system is up to date. even if we are not all competent computer operators, it is on us to insure that someone with the requisite knowledge maintains our systems so that they always run smoothly and efficiently.

On 12/11/2019 18:04, zahra wrote:
i never update my browser, operating system, screen reader etc.

On 11/12/19, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:
I'm using the latest firefox and don't have any crashing issues, I'd say
update and bite the bullet. You will have to anyway at some point.

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our
[website.](http://www.tffppodcast.com) This is also our libsyn page as
well.

to subscribe to the feed click [here](http://feeds.feedburner.com/tffp)

Our [telegram](https://t.me/tffppodcast) channel is also a good place
for an announce only in regard to podcasts, contests, etc.

Our [discord](https://discord.gg/fr7MaVK) is where you will know when
we go live on youtube, twitch and mixer. Thanks Restream staff.


Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go
[here](Http://patreon.com/tffppodcast)

On 11 Nov 2019, at 19:57, zahra wrote:

hi.
which version of firefox do you use?
for myself, i promised and i have firm belief that never use more than
firefox 52.3 esr, which have everythings that i need, and i never use
firefox quantum.
i tested firefox 61.0.1 and the result was frequent crashing of
firefox which i never face in none quantum versions of firefox.

On 11/12/19, Ibrahim Ajayi <@kobisko> wrote:
Hi good people:
I am having two different problems which I will like you chas to
address.
The first problem is with the NVDA screen reader itself.
When I start my computer, and the screen reader turns up, and I hear
"loading NVDA please wait:" nothing comes up again. I have to press
the key combination alttab twice to get back to NVDA, to hear
"welcome
to NVDA dialog. What exactly is happening here:
Added to that, It is just too slow, when I am working on the
internet. Many times, it crashes when i am on a website, and I have
to go back to the desktop, to start it again.
Sometimes, it take for ever for it to start reading a website. It
sometimes crashes the site, and never gets to read anything. All I
hear is Icon Icon.
Is there anything I can do to fix this problem? I have NVDA 2019.2 on
my computer.
I preferrably use Mozilla firefox as my browser.
The second issue or problem is this:
When I download a program and I attempt to install it, all I hear is
the program name mentioned, then set up, and nothing gets set up.
I hope this particular problem is well understood.
How can I get to set up these programs when I hear set up, and after
a
long wait, nothing gets set up or installed.
I need help with both issues.
Kind regards.
Ibrahim.



--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali



Ibrahim Ajayi
 

How do I switch on the installer when I wantt to install program



Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.

-------- Original message --------
From: "Sascha Cowley via Groups.Io" <sascha.camille@...>
Date: 11/12/19 1:43 AM (GMT+01:00)
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Issues:

Regarding the first problem, it sounds like you either have too many
background services running, or your system is simply not powerful
enough to run a screen-reader comfortably. Although NVDA is (as far as I
know) one of the most lightweight screen-readers around, unfortunately
all such programs are necessarily somewhat resource intensive. Without
knowing more information (E.G. what version of Windows you're running),
I can't say anything more specific. It could also be an issue of NVDA
addons. Have you recently installed any? Do you have a lot of addons
installed?

Turning to your second issue, have you tried switching to the installer
or UAC window? Sometimes they don't always come to the foreground. It
could also be a matter of Windows Smart Screen. I believe this is
accessible with NVDA, but may need to be switched to as well. Beyond
that, I can't help as I have it disabled.

On 12/11/2019 11:08, Ibrahim Ajayi wrote:
> Hi good people:
> I am having two different problems which I will like you chas to address.
> The first problem is with the NVDA screen reader itself.
> When I start my computer, and the screen reader turns up, and I hear
> "loading NVDA please wait:" nothing comes up again.  I have to press
> the key combination alttab twice to get back to NVDA, to hear "welcome
> to NVDA dialog.  What exactly is happening here:
>   Added to that, It is just too slow, when I am working on the
> internet.  Many times, it crashes when i am on a website, and I have
> to go back to the desktop, to start it again.
> Sometimes, it take for ever for it to start reading a website.  It
> sometimes crashes the site, and never gets to read anything.  All I
> hear is Icon Icon.
> Is there anything I can do to fix this problem? I have NVDA 2019.2 on
> my computer.
> I preferrably use Mozilla firefox as my browser.
> The second issue or problem is this:
> When I download a program and I attempt to install it, all I hear is
> the program name mentioned, then set up, and nothing gets set up.
> I hope this particular problem is well understood.
> How can I get to set up these programs when I hear set up, and after a
> long wait, nothing gets set up or installed.
> I need help with both issues.
> Kind regards.
> Ibrahim.
>
>
>




David Griffith
 

There is no such thing as the “installer” to turn on. Installer is simply a generic term to describe  the various install programs for whichever application you are trying to install. For example NVDA has an install program to install it on your computer.

Generally these programs can be identified by the existence of the words install or perhaps setup included in their filename or if they have the filetype msi at the end of the file name. Windows will identify these msi files as install file.i

 

David Griffith

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Ibrahim Ajayi
Sent: 12 November 2019 11:51
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Issues:

 

How do I switch on the installer when I wantt to install program

 

 

 

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.

 

-------- Original message --------

From: "Sascha Cowley via Groups.Io" <sascha.camille@...>

Date: 11/12/19 1:43 AM (GMT+01:00)

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Issues:

 

Regarding the first problem, it sounds like you either have too many
background services running, or your system is simply not powerful
enough to run a screen-reader comfortably. Although NVDA is (as far as I
know) one of the most lightweight screen-readers around, unfortunately
all such programs are necessarily somewhat resource intensive. Without
knowing more information (E.G. what version of Windows you're running),
I can't say anything more specific. It could also be an issue of NVDA
addons. Have you recently installed any? Do you have a lot of addons
installed?

Turning to your second issue, have you tried switching to the installer
or UAC window? Sometimes they don't always come to the foreground. It
could also be a matter of Windows Smart Screen. I believe this is
accessible with NVDA, but may need to be switched to as well. Beyond
that, I can't help as I have it disabled.

On 12/11/2019 11:08, Ibrahim Ajayi wrote:
> Hi good people:
> I am having two different problems which I will like you chas to address.
> The first problem is with the NVDA screen reader itself.
> When I start my computer, and the screen reader turns up, and I hear
> "loading NVDA please wait:" nothing comes up again.  I have to press
> the key combination alttab twice to get back to NVDA, to hear "welcome
> to NVDA dialog.  What exactly is happening here:
>   Added to that, It is just too slow, when I am working on the
> internet.  Many times, it crashes when i am on a website, and I have
> to go back to the desktop, to start it again.
> Sometimes, it take for ever for it to start reading a website.  It
> sometimes crashes the site, and never gets to read anything.  All I
> hear is Icon Icon.
> Is there anything I can do to fix this problem? I have NVDA 2019.2 on
> my computer.
> I preferrably use Mozilla firefox as my browser.
> The second issue or problem is this:
> When I download a program and I attempt to install it, all I hear is
> the program name mentioned, then set up, and nothing gets set up.
> I hope this particular problem is well understood.
> How can I get to set up these programs when I hear set up, and after a
> long wait, nothing gets set up or installed.
> I need help with both issues.
> Kind regards.
> Ibrahim.
>
>
>


 


Chris Mullins
 

Hi
If you take a look at the Welcome screen there is a check box you can use to stop the box appearing every time you start NVDA. Once you have chosen the settings featured in the box, they will remain in force until you change them in the relevant settings dialogs. It's personal choice but I have only ever used the Welcome dialog After installing a new NVDA version. Once used it's not really required again and just adds time to the start up process.

When you hear the 'Loading NVDA' announcement, depending on your machine speed, NVDA will be usable within seconds. When my machine is booting-up for the first time, NVDA starts up with focus on the Desktop. After an NVDA restart, it announces 'Task bar'which is what gains focus when NVDA restarts. If your machine is particularly quick, you may not even hear the 'Loading NVDA' message before NVDA becomes usable. Note: I don't know wat screen area gains focus if you don't have a task bar available, such as when you are in tablet mode. Note also, you do not have to return to the Desktop to restart NVDA, the Desktop icon has a shourtcut associated with it. You can press Control+Alt+n to restart NVDA at any time and when using any app.

As someone else has suggested, crashes whilst browsing may be caused by malware, I am not a FireFox user so cannot comment on the stability of that product.

When trying to install apps, it sounds like your problem could be caused by the User Account Control dialog (UAC) requiring attention before the app installation can proceed. It is a most annoying situation that NVDA does not move focus to the UAC dialog and you have to alt+Tab around your machine until you land on it. When the UAC dialog is in focus press Alt+y to allow the app installer to run.

Cheers
Chris

-----Original Message -----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ibrahim Ajayi
Sent: 12 November 2019 00:09
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Issues:

Hi good people:
I am having two different problems which I will like you chas to address.
The first problem is with the NVDA screen reader itself.
When I start my computer, and the screen reader turns up, and I hear "loading NVDA please wait:" nothing comes up again. I have to press the key combination alttab twice to get back to NVDA, to hear "welcome to NVDA dialog. What exactly is happening here:
Added to that, It is just too slow, when I am working on the internet. Many times, it crashes when i am on a website, and I have to go back to the desktop, to start it again.
Sometimes, it take for ever for it to start reading a website. It sometimes crashes the site, and never gets to read anything. All I hear is Icon Icon.
Is there anything I can do to fix this problem? I have NVDA 2019.2 on my computer.
I preferrably use Mozilla firefox as my browser.
The second issue or problem is this:
When I download a program and I attempt to install it, all I hear is the program name mentioned, then set up, and nothing gets set up.
I hope this particular problem is well understood.
How can I get to set up these programs when I hear set up, and after a long wait, nothing gets set up or installed.
I need help with both issues.
Kind regards.
Ibrahim.


Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Sean,

I'm in total agreement here. Not updating your screen reader or operating system is the dummest thing anybody could do. If anybody refuses to upgrade or update a screen reader, then they're just asking for trouble.

Rosemarie

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Oliver
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2019 12:17 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Issues:

I would like to comment here, and I hope my comments are not out of line.


Firstly, to not update your screenreader, browser or operating system is inherently flawed thinking.


Quite apart from anything else, updating these things plugs up security
holes and exploits that were found, hense the updates in the first place.


While updates have their own inherent bugs, issues, holes and the like,
they are constantly being plugged, patched and fixed when they are
noticed, or insiders, beta testers and developers find or are notified
of them.


There are some arguments for not updating, and while they are valid,
they are not always practical in that you become susceptible to the
aforementioned vulnerabilities.


In the case of windows10, it is not too much of a steep learning curb
from windows7 and in many respects provides you with better performance
and once you get the hang of it, a more efficient way of performing
everyday tasks, as well as tweaking and peaking settings.


Here's where I may come under fire, because it is my personal belief,
that to not update or patch your system, especially in this day and age,
where crackers, and please note the term I used, as opposed to hackers,
are also getting smarter, is the height of folly and stupidity.


I appologise for my harsh words on the subject, but it behooves us as
competent computer operators to insure our system is up to date. even if
we are not all competent computer operators, it is on us to insure that
someone with the requisite knowledge maintains our systems so that they
always run smoothly and efficiently.


On 12/11/2019 18:04, zahra wrote:
i never update my browser, operating system, screen reader etc.

On 11/12/19, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:
I'm using the latest firefox and don't have any crashing issues, I'd say
update and bite the bullet. You will have to anyway at some point.

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our
[website.](http://www.tffppodcast.com) This is also our libsyn page as
well.

to subscribe to the feed click [here](http://feeds.feedburner.com/tffp)

Our [telegram](https://t.me/tffppodcast) channel is also a good place
for an announce only in regard to podcasts, contests, etc.

Our [discord](https://discord.gg/fr7MaVK) is where you will know when
we go live on youtube, twitch and mixer. Thanks Restream staff.


Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go
[here](Http://patreon.com/tffppodcast)

On 11 Nov 2019, at 19:57, zahra wrote:

hi.
which version of firefox do you use?
for myself, i promised and i have firm belief that never use more than
firefox 52.3 esr, which have everythings that i need, and i never use
firefox quantum.
i tested firefox 61.0.1 and the result was frequent crashing of
firefox which i never face in none quantum versions of firefox.

On 11/12/19, Ibrahim Ajayi <@kobisko> wrote:
Hi good people:
I am having two different problems which I will like you chas to
address.
The first problem is with the NVDA screen reader itself.
When I start my computer, and the screen reader turns up, and I hear
"loading NVDA please wait:" nothing comes up again. I have to press
the key combination alttab twice to get back to NVDA, to hear
"welcome
to NVDA dialog. What exactly is happening here:
Added to that, It is just too slow, when I am working on the
internet. Many times, it crashes when i am on a website, and I have
to go back to the desktop, to start it again.
Sometimes, it take for ever for it to start reading a website. It
sometimes crashes the site, and never gets to read anything. All I
hear is Icon Icon.
Is there anything I can do to fix this problem? I have NVDA 2019.2 on
my computer.
I preferrably use Mozilla firefox as my browser.
The second issue or problem is this:
When I download a program and I attempt to install it, all I hear is
the program name mentioned, then set up, and nothing gets set up.
I hope this particular problem is well understood.
How can I get to set up these programs when I hear set up, and after
a
long wait, nothing gets set up or installed.
I need help with both issues.
Kind regards.
Ibrahim.



--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali



Rosemarie Chavarria
 

And why not?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2019 11:35 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Issues:

i never update my browser, operating system, screen reader etc.

On 11/12/19, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:
I'm using the latest firefox and don't have any crashing issues, I'd
say update and bite the bullet. You will have to anyway at some point.

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our
[website.](http://www.tffppodcast.com) This is also our libsyn page as
well.

to subscribe to the feed click
[here](http://feeds.feedburner.com/tffp)

Our [telegram](https://t.me/tffppodcast) channel is also a good place
for an announce only in regard to podcasts, contests, etc.

Our [discord](https://discord.gg/fr7MaVK) is where you will know when
we go live on youtube, twitch and mixer. Thanks Restream staff.


Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go
[here](Http://patreon.com/tffppodcast)

On 11 Nov 2019, at 19:57, zahra wrote:

hi.
which version of firefox do you use?
for myself, i promised and i have firm belief that never use more
than firefox 52.3 esr, which have everythings that i need, and i
never use firefox quantum.
i tested firefox 61.0.1 and the result was frequent crashing of
firefox which i never face in none quantum versions of firefox.

On 11/12/19, Ibrahim Ajayi <@kobisko> wrote:
Hi good people:
I am having two different problems which I will like you chas to
address.
The first problem is with the NVDA screen reader itself.
When I start my computer, and the screen reader turns up, and I hear
"loading NVDA please wait:" nothing comes up again. I have to press
the key combination alttab twice to get back to NVDA, to hear
"welcome to NVDA dialog. What exactly is happening here:
Added to that, It is just too slow, when I am working on the
internet. Many times, it crashes when i am on a website, and I have
to go back to the desktop, to start it again.
Sometimes, it take for ever for it to start reading a website. It
sometimes crashes the site, and never gets to read anything. All I
hear is Icon Icon.
Is there anything I can do to fix this problem? I have NVDA 2019.2
on my computer.
I preferrably use Mozilla firefox as my browser.
The second issue or problem is this:
When I download a program and I attempt to install it, all I hear is
the program name mentioned, then set up, and nothing gets set up.
I hope this particular problem is well understood.
How can I get to set up these programs when I hear set up, and after
a long wait, nothing gets set up or installed.
I need help with both issues.
Kind regards.
Ibrahim.




--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali




--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


Sascha Cowley
 

Use alt+tab as you normally would to switch programs.

On 12/11/2019 22:51, Ibrahim Ajayi wrote:
How do I switch on the installer when I wantt to install program



Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.

-------- Original message --------
From: "Sascha Cowley via Groups.Io" <sascha.camille@...>
Date: 11/12/19 1:43 AM (GMT+01:00)
Subject: Re: [nvda] Issues:

Regarding the first problem, it sounds like you either have too many
background services running, or your system is simply not powerful
enough to run a screen-reader comfortably. Although NVDA is (as far as I
know) one of the most lightweight screen-readers around, unfortunately
all such programs are necessarily somewhat resource intensive. Without
knowing more information (E.G. what version of Windows you're running),
I can't say anything more specific. It could also be an issue of NVDA
addons. Have you recently installed any? Do you have a lot of addons
installed?

Turning to your second issue, have you tried switching to the installer
or UAC window? Sometimes they don't always come to the foreground. It
could also be a matter of Windows Smart Screen. I believe this is
accessible with NVDA, but may need to be switched to as well. Beyond
that, I can't help as I have it disabled.

On 12/11/2019 11:08, Ibrahim Ajayi wrote:
> Hi good people:
> I am having two different problems which I will like you chas to address.
> The first problem is with the NVDA screen reader itself.
> When I start my computer, and the screen reader turns up, and I hear
> "loading NVDA please wait:" nothing comes up again.?? I have to press
> the key combination alttab twice to get back to NVDA, to hear "welcome
> to NVDA dialog.?? What exactly is happening here:
>???? Added to that, It is just too slow, when I am working on the
> internet.?? Many times, it crashes when i am on a website, and I have
> to go back to the desktop, to start it again.
> Sometimes, it take for ever for it to start reading a website.?? It
> sometimes crashes the site, and never gets to read anything.?? All I
> hear is Icon Icon.
> Is there anything I can do to fix this problem? I have NVDA 2019.2 on
> my computer.
> I preferrably use Mozilla firefox as my browser.
> The second issue or problem is this:
> When I download a program and I attempt to install it, all I hear is
> the program name mentioned, then set up, and nothing gets set up.
> I hope this particular problem is well understood.
> How can I get to set up these programs when I hear set up, and after a
> long wait, nothing gets set up or installed.
> I need help with both issues.
> Kind regards.
> Ibrahim.
>
>
>




Arlene
 

Oh my, If you don’t update your system. You are asking for trouble!  As for firefox, I never installed it on my new system.  I have 3 browsers.  That’s good enough.  On my old windows 7 Firefox often crashed.  I don’t know if it was just the computer itself.  It would not let me update firefox.  After my 7 box died. I never did install it on this new system.  I use IE or Chrome. I am trying Microsoft Edge. Should IE quit working. 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: zahra
Sent: November 11, 2019 11:35 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Issues:

 

i never update my browser, operating system, screen reader etc.

 

On 11/12/19, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:

> I'm using the latest firefox and don't have any crashing issues, I'd say

> update and bite the bullet. You will have to anyway at some point.

> Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our

> [website.](http://www.tffppodcast.com) This is also our libsyn page as

> well.

> to subscribe to the feed click [here](http://feeds.feedburner.com/tffp)

> Our [telegram](https://t.me/tffppodcast) channel is also a good place

> for an announce only  in regard to podcasts, contests, etc.

> Our [discord](https://discord.gg/fr7MaVK)  is where you will know when

> we go live on youtube, twitch and mixer. Thanks Restream staff.

> Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go

> [here](Http://patreon.com/tffppodcast)

> On 11 Nov 2019, at 19:57, zahra wrote:

>> hi.

>> which version of firefox do you use?

>> for myself, i promised and i have firm belief that never use more than

>> firefox 52.3 esr, which have everythings that i need, and i never use

>> firefox quantum.

>> i tested firefox 61.0.1 and the result was frequent crashing of

>> firefox which i never face in none quantum versions of firefox.

>> 

>> On 11/12/19, Ibrahim Ajayi <kobisko@...> wrote:

>>> Hi good people:

>>> I am having two different problems which I will like you chas to

>>> address.

>>> The first problem is with the NVDA screen reader itself.

>>> When I start my computer, and the screen reader turns up, and I hear

>>> "loading NVDA please wait:" nothing comes up again.  I have to press

>>> the key combination alttab twice to get back to NVDA, to hear

>>> "welcome

>>> to NVDA dialog.  What exactly is happening here:

>>>  Added to that, It is just too slow, when I am working on the

>>> internet.  Many times, it crashes when i am on a website, and I have

>>> to go back to the desktop, to start it again.

>>> Sometimes, it take for ever for it to start reading a website.  It

>>> sometimes crashes the site, and never gets to read anything.  All I

>>> hear is Icon Icon.

>>> Is there anything I can do to fix this problem? I have NVDA 2019.2 on

>>> my computer.

>>> I preferrably use Mozilla firefox as my browser.

>>> The second issue or problem is this:

>>> When I download a program and I attempt to install it, all I hear is

>>> the program name mentioned, then set up, and nothing gets set up.

>>> I hope this particular problem is well understood.

>>> How can I get to set up these programs when I hear set up, and after

>>> a

>>> long wait, nothing gets set up or installed.

>>> I need help with both issues.

>>> Kind regards.

>>> Ibrahim.

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>> 

>> 

>> --

>> By God,

>> were I given all the seven heavens

>> with all they contain

>> in order that

>> I may disobey God

>> by depriving an ant

>> from the husk of a grain of barley,

>> I would not do it.

>> imam ali

>> 

>> 

>

 

 

--

By God,

were I given all the seven heavens

with all they contain

in order that

I may disobey God

by depriving an ant

from the husk of a grain of barley,

I would not do it.

imam ali

 

 

 


Arlene
 

My oh My! How does that person do it? Hanging onto an old xp box? Most of those old boxes died! How does that person use that old clunker online?  As my windows 7 aged, I found that firefox was getting slower and slower.  I had to use it for my online course.  When that box kicked the bucket. I ended here on win ten. I never installed firefox on this box like I said in an earlier message.  I don’t know how firefox works with win ten.  It worked okay when I had my old xp clunker.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: November 12, 2019 8:37 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Issues:

 

Hi, Sean,

 

I'm in total agreement here. Not updating your screen reader or operating system is the dummest thing anybody could do. If anybody refuses to upgrade or update a screen reader, then they're just asking for trouble.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Oliver

Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2019 12:17 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Issues:

 

I would like to comment here, and I hope my comments are not out of line.

 

 

Firstly, to not update your screenreader, browser or operating system is inherently flawed thinking.

 

 

Quite apart from anything else, updating these things plugs up security

holes and exploits that were found, hense the updates in the first place.

 

 

While updates have their own inherent bugs, issues, holes and the like,

they are constantly being plugged, patched and fixed when they are

noticed, or insiders, beta testers and developers find or are notified

of them.

 

 

There are some arguments for not updating, and while they are valid,

they are not always practical in that you become susceptible to the

aforementioned vulnerabilities.

 

 

In the case of windows10, it is not too much of a steep learning curb

from windows7 and in many respects provides you with better performance

and once you get the hang of it, a more efficient way of performing

everyday tasks, as well as tweaking and peaking settings.

 

 

Here's where I may come under fire, because it is my personal belief,

that to not update or patch your system, especially in this day and age,

where crackers, and please note the term I used, as opposed to hackers,

are also getting smarter, is the height of folly and stupidity.

 

 

I appologise for my harsh words on the subject, but it behooves us as

competent computer operators to insure our system is up to date. even if

we are not all competent computer operators, it is on us to insure that

someone with the requisite knowledge maintains our systems so that they

always run smoothly and efficiently.

 

 

On 12/11/2019 18:04, zahra wrote:

> i never update my browser, operating system, screen reader etc.

> On 11/12/19, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:

>> I'm using the latest firefox and don't have any crashing issues, I'd say

>> update and bite the bullet. You will have to anyway at some point.

>> 

>> Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our

>> [website.](http://www.tffppodcast.com) This is also our libsyn page as

>> well.

>> 

>> to subscribe to the feed click [here](http://feeds.feedburner.com/tffp)

>> 

>> Our [telegram](https://t.me/tffppodcast) channel is also a good place

>> for an announce only  in regard to podcasts, contests, etc.

>> 

>> Our [discord](https://discord.gg/fr7MaVK)  is where you will know when

>> we go live on youtube, twitch and mixer. Thanks Restream staff.

>> 

>> 

>> Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go

>> [here](Http://patreon.com/tffppodcast)

>> 

>> On 11 Nov 2019, at 19:57, zahra wrote:

>> 

>>> hi.

>>> which version of firefox do you use?

>>> for myself, i promised and i have firm belief that never use more than

>>> firefox 52.3 esr, which have everythings that i need, and i never use

>>> firefox quantum.

>>> i tested firefox 61.0.1 and the result was frequent crashing of

>>> firefox which i never face in none quantum versions of firefox.

>>> 

>>> On 11/12/19, Ibrahim Ajayi <kobisko@...> wrote:

>>>> Hi good people:

>>>> I am having two different problems which I will like you chas to

>>>> address.

>>>> The first problem is with the NVDA screen reader itself.

>>>> When I start my computer, and the screen reader turns up, and I hear

>>>> "loading NVDA please wait:" nothing comes up again.  I have to press

>>>> the key combination alttab twice to get back to NVDA, to hear

>>>> "welcome

>>>> to NVDA dialog.  What exactly is happening here:

>>>>   Added to that, It is just too slow, when I am working on the

>>>> internet.  Many times, it crashes when i am on a website, and I have

>>>> to go back to the desktop, to start it again.

>>>> Sometimes, it take for ever for it to start reading a website.  It

>>>> sometimes crashes the site, and never gets to read anything.  All I

>>>> hear is Icon Icon.

>>>> Is there anything I can do to fix this problem? I have NVDA 2019.2 on

>>>> my computer.

>>>> I preferrably use Mozilla firefox as my browser.

>>>> The second issue or problem is this:

>>>> When I download a program and I attempt to install it, all I hear is

>>>> the program name mentioned, then set up, and nothing gets set up.

>>>> I hope this particular problem is well understood.

>>>> How can I get to set up these programs when I hear set up, and after

>>>> a

>>>> long wait, nothing gets set up or installed.

>>>> I need help with both issues.

>>>> Kind regards.

>>>> Ibrahim.

>>>> 

>>>> 

>>>> 

>>>> 

>>> 

>>> --

>>> By God,

>>> were I given all the seven heavens

>>> with all they contain

>>> in order that

>>> I may disobey God

>>> by depriving an ant

>>> from the husk of a grain of barley,

>>> I would not do it.

>>> imam ali

>>> 

>>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Gene
 

The new Microsoft browser that will replace the current Edge is based on Chrome, the open source version.  That is also what the Google Chrome browser is based on.  I suspect that if one Chrome-based browser has problems with a web page or doesn't do something well on it, the other one will have the same or similar problems.  Therefore, I would urge you to place Firefox on the machine.  You may want to use it as your secondary browser, for sites that don't work well with Chrome.  Internet Explorer is going to be retired.  I don't know when, but I wouldn't be surprised if it is retired within between one and two years.  And it is very old technologically.  It hasn't received anything but security updates for years. 
 
In short, you are probably using two browsers that will respond very similarly on web pages and Internet Explorer will be retired and is already not working well on some web pages because it is so technologically archaic. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Arlene
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2019 9:46 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Issues:

Oh my, If you don’t update your system. You are asking for trouble!  As for firefox, I never installed it on my new system.  I have 3 browsers.  That’s good enough.  On my old windows 7 Firefox often crashed.  I don’t know if it was just the computer itself.  It would not let me update firefox.  After my 7 box died. I never did install it on this new system.  I use IE or Chrome. I am trying Microsoft Edge. Should IE quit working. 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: zahra
Sent: November 11, 2019 11:35 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Issues:

 

i never update my browser, operating system, screen reader etc.

 

On 11/12/19, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:

> I'm using the latest firefox and don't have any crashing issues, I'd say

> update and bite the bullet. You will have to anyway at some point.

> Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our

> [website.](http://www.tffppodcast.com) This is also our libsyn page as

> well.

> to subscribe to the feed click [here](http://feeds.feedburner.com/tffp)

> Our [telegram](https://t.me/tffppodcast) channel is also a good place

> for an announce only  in regard to podcasts, contests, etc.

> Our [discord](https://discord.gg/fr7MaVK)  is where you will know when

> we go live on youtube, twitch and mixer. Thanks Restream staff.

> Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go

> [here](Http://patreon.com/tffppodcast)

> On 11 Nov 2019, at 19:57, zahra wrote:

>> hi.

>> which version of firefox do you use?

>> for myself, i promised and i have firm belief that never use more than

>> firefox 52.3 esr, which have everythings that i need, and i never use

>> firefox quantum.

>> i tested firefox 61.0.1 and the result was frequent crashing of

>> firefox which i never face in none quantum versions of firefox.

>> 

>> On 11/12/19, Ibrahim Ajayi <kobisko@...> wrote:

>>> Hi good people:

>>> I am having two different problems which I will like you chas to

>>> address.

>>> The first problem is with the NVDA screen reader itself.

>>> When I start my computer, and the screen reader turns up, and I hear

>>> "loading NVDA please wait:" nothing comes up again.  I have to press

>>> the key combination alttab twice to get back to NVDA, to hear

>>> "welcome

>>> to NVDA dialog.  What exactly is happening here:

>>>  Added to that, It is just too slow, when I am working on the

>>> internet.  Many times, it crashes when i am on a website, and I have

>>> to go back to the desktop, to start it again.

>>> Sometimes, it take for ever for it to start reading a website.  It

>>> sometimes crashes the site, and never gets to read anything.  All I

>>> hear is Icon Icon.

>>> Is there anything I can do to fix this problem? I have NVDA 2019.2 on

>>> my computer.

>>> I preferrably use Mozilla firefox as my browser.

>>> The second issue or problem is this:

>>> When I download a program and I attempt to install it, all I hear is

>>> the program name mentioned, then set up, and nothing gets set up.

>>> I hope this particular problem is well understood.

>>> How can I get to set up these programs when I hear set up, and after

>>> a

>>> long wait, nothing gets set up or installed.

>>> I need help with both issues.

>>> Kind regards.

>>> Ibrahim.

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>> 

>> 

>> --

>> By God,

>> were I given all the seven heavens

>> with all they contain

>> in order that

>> I may disobey God

>> by depriving an ant

>> from the husk of a grain of barley,

>> I would not do it.

>> imam ali

>> 

>> 

>

 

 

--

By God,

were I given all the seven heavens

with all they contain

in order that

I may disobey God

by depriving an ant

from the husk of a grain of barley,

I would not do it.

imam ali

 

 

 


Arlene
 

Gene, some sites if you visit them with IE. You are told that this site is not supported. So I go to it using Chrome or edge and it does work.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gene
Sent: November 12, 2019 8:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Issues:

 

The new Microsoft browser that will replace the current Edge is based on Chrome, the open source version.  That is also what the Google Chrome browser is based on.  I suspect that if one Chrome-based browser has problems with a web page or doesn't do something well on it, the other one will have the same or similar problems.  Therefore, I would urge you to place Firefox on the machine.  You may want to use it as your secondary browser, for sites that don't work well with Chrome.  Internet Explorer is going to be retired.  I don't know when, but I wouldn't be surprised if it is retired within between one and two years.  And it is very old technologically.  It hasn't received anything but security updates for years. 

 

In short, you are probably using two browsers that will respond very similarly on web pages and Internet Explorer will be retired and is already not working well on some web pages because it is so technologically archaic. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Arlene

Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2019 9:46 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Issues:

 

Oh my, If you don’t update your system. You are asking for trouble!  As for firefox, I never installed it on my new system.  I have 3 browsers.  That’s good enough.  On my old windows 7 Firefox often crashed.  I don’t know if it was just the computer itself.  It would not let me update firefox.  After my 7 box died. I never did install it on this new system.  I use IE or Chrome. I am trying Microsoft Edge. Should IE quit working. 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: zahra
Sent: November 11, 2019 11:35 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Issues:

 

i never update my browser, operating system, screen reader etc.

 

On 11/12/19, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:

> I'm using the latest firefox and don't have any crashing issues, I'd say

> update and bite the bullet. You will have to anyway at some point.

> Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our

> [website.](http://www.tffppodcast.com) This is also our libsyn page as

> well.

> to subscribe to the feed click [here](http://feeds.feedburner.com/tffp)

> Our [telegram](https://t.me/tffppodcast) channel is also a good place

> for an announce only  in regard to podcasts, contests, etc.

> Our [discord](https://discord.gg/fr7MaVK)  is where you will know when

> we go live on youtube, twitch and mixer. Thanks Restream staff.

> Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go

> [here](Http://patreon.com/tffppodcast)

> On 11 Nov 2019, at 19:57, zahra wrote:

>> hi.

>> which version of firefox do you use?

>> for myself, i promised and i have firm belief that never use more than

>> firefox 52.3 esr, which have everythings that i need, and i never use

>> firefox quantum.

>> i tested firefox 61.0.1 and the result was frequent crashing of

>> firefox which i never face in none quantum versions of firefox.

>> 

>> On 11/12/19, Ibrahim Ajayi <kobisko@...> wrote:

>>> Hi good people:

>>> I am having two different problems which I will like you chas to

>>> address.

>>> The first problem is with the NVDA screen reader itself.

>>> When I start my computer, and the screen reader turns up, and I hear

>>> "loading NVDA please wait:" nothing comes up again.  I have to press

>>> the key combination alttab twice to get back to NVDA, to hear

>>> "welcome

>>> to NVDA dialog.  What exactly is happening here:

>>>  Added to that, It is just too slow, when I am working on the

>>> internet.  Many times, it crashes when i am on a website, and I have

>>> to go back to the desktop, to start it again.

>>> Sometimes, it take for ever for it to start reading a website.  It

>>> sometimes crashes the site, and never gets to read anything.  All I

>>> hear is Icon Icon.

>>> Is there anything I can do to fix this problem? I have NVDA 2019.2 on

>>> my computer.

>>> I preferrably use Mozilla firefox as my browser.

>>> The second issue or problem is this:

>>> When I download a program and I attempt to install it, all I hear is

>>> the program name mentioned, then set up, and nothing gets set up.

>>> I hope this particular problem is well understood.

>>> How can I get to set up these programs when I hear set up, and after

>>> a

>>> long wait, nothing gets set up or installed.

>>> I need help with both issues.

>>> Kind regards.

>>> Ibrahim.

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>> 

>> 

>> --

>> By God,

>> were I given all the seven heavens

>> with all they contain

>> in order that

>> I may disobey God

>> by depriving an ant

>> from the husk of a grain of barley,

>> I would not do it.

>> imam ali

>> 

>> 

>

 

 

--

By God,

were I given all the seven heavens

with all they contain

in order that

I may disobey God

by depriving an ant

from the husk of a grain of barley,

I would not do it.

imam ali

 

 

 

 


 

as i said, firefox 52.3 which is the best version for me and i use it
forever without update.
also, i did not experience since many versions before 50 and 52 and i
love my condition and my achievement that which are the best for me.
i appreciate God for his blessings and favors and never want to become
worried myself about everythings that people tell me.
its my decision and i believe is the best for me. thanks God and God
bless you all!

On 11/13/19, Arlene <nedster66@...> wrote:
My oh My! How does that person do it? Hanging onto an old xp box? Most of
those old boxes died! How does that person use that old clunker online? As
my windows 7 aged, I found that firefox was getting slower and slower. I
had to use it for my online course. When that box kicked the bucket. I
ended here on win ten. I never installed firefox on this box like I said in
an earlier message. I don’t know how firefox works with win ten. It worked
okay when I had my old xp clunker.



Sent from Mail for Windows 10



From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: November 12, 2019 8:37 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Issues:



Hi, Sean,



I'm in total agreement here. Not updating your screen reader or operating
system is the dummest thing anybody could do. If anybody refuses to upgrade
or update a screen reader, then they're just asking for trouble.



Rosemarie







-----Original Message-----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun
Oliver

Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2019 12:17 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Issues:



I would like to comment here, and I hope my comments are not out of line.





Firstly, to not update your screenreader, browser or operating system is
inherently flawed thinking.





Quite apart from anything else, updating these things plugs up security

holes and exploits that were found, hense the updates in the first place.





While updates have their own inherent bugs, issues, holes and the like,

they are constantly being plugged, patched and fixed when they are

noticed, or insiders, beta testers and developers find or are notified

of them.





There are some arguments for not updating, and while they are valid,

they are not always practical in that you become susceptible to the

aforementioned vulnerabilities.





In the case of windows10, it is not too much of a steep learning curb

from windows7 and in many respects provides you with better performance

and once you get the hang of it, a more efficient way of performing

everyday tasks, as well as tweaking and peaking settings.





Here's where I may come under fire, because it is my personal belief,

that to not update or patch your system, especially in this day and age,

where crackers, and please note the term I used, as opposed to hackers,

are also getting smarter, is the height of folly and stupidity.





I appologise for my harsh words on the subject, but it behooves us as

competent computer operators to insure our system is up to date. even if

we are not all competent computer operators, it is on us to insure that

someone with the requisite knowledge maintains our systems so that they

always run smoothly and efficiently.





On 12/11/2019 18:04, zahra wrote:

i never update my browser, operating system, screen reader etc.
On 11/12/19, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:
I'm using the latest firefox and don't have any crashing issues, I'd say
update and bite the bullet. You will have to anyway at some point.
Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our
[website.](http://www.tffppodcast.com) This is also our libsyn page as
well.
to subscribe to the feed click [here](http://feeds.feedburner.com/tffp)
Our [telegram](https://t.me/tffppodcast) channel is also a good place
for an announce only in regard to podcasts, contests, etc.
Our [discord](https://discord.gg/fr7MaVK) is where you will know when
we go live on youtube, twitch and mixer. Thanks Restream staff.
Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go
[here](Http://patreon.com/tffppodcast)
On 11 Nov 2019, at 19:57, zahra wrote:
hi.
which version of firefox do you use?
for myself, i promised and i have firm belief that never use more than
firefox 52.3 esr, which have everythings that i need, and i never use
firefox quantum.
i tested firefox 61.0.1 and the result was frequent crashing of
firefox which i never face in none quantum versions of firefox.
On 11/12/19, Ibrahim Ajayi <@kobisko> wrote:
Hi good people:
I am having two different problems which I will like you chas to
address.
The first problem is with the NVDA screen reader itself.
When I start my computer, and the screen reader turns up, and I hear
"loading NVDA please wait:" nothing comes up again. I have to press
the key combination alttab twice to get back to NVDA, to hear
"welcome
to NVDA dialog. What exactly is happening here:
Added to that, It is just too slow, when I am working on the
internet. Many times, it crashes when i am on a website, and I have
to go back to the desktop, to start it again.
Sometimes, it take for ever for it to start reading a website. It
sometimes crashes the site, and never gets to read anything. All I
hear is Icon Icon.
Is there anything I can do to fix this problem? I have NVDA 2019.2 on
my computer.
I preferrably use Mozilla firefox as my browser.
The second issue or problem is this:
When I download a program and I attempt to install it, all I hear is
the program name mentioned, then set up, and nothing gets set up.
I hope this particular problem is well understood.
How can I get to set up these programs when I hear set up, and after
a
long wait, nothing gets set up or installed.
I need help with both issues.
Kind regards.
Ibrahim.
--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali














--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


 

hello.
please read my previous comment.
its my decision to use my best version of anythings and its a firm
belief for me that nvda 2017.2 and firefox 52.3 are the best for me
and i never update them.
as windows, xp or seven maybe in the future, do the job and meet my
need and i dont use and dont want more.
i am very happy of my decision and i appreciate God because of His
infinite favours, mercy and blessings!

On 11/12/19, Shaun Oliver <blindman75@...> wrote:
I would like to comment here, and I hope my comments are not out of line.


Firstly, to not update your screenreader, browser or operating system is
inherently flawed thinking.


Quite apart from anything else, updating these things plugs up security
holes and exploits that were found, hense the updates in the first place.


While updates have their own inherent bugs, issues, holes and the like,
they are constantly being plugged, patched and fixed when they are
noticed, or insiders, beta testers and developers find or are notified
of them.


There are some arguments for not updating, and while they are valid,
they are not always practical in that you become susceptible to the
aforementioned vulnerabilities.


In the case of windows10, it is not too much of a steep learning curb
from windows7 and in many respects provides you with better performance
and once you get the hang of it, a more efficient way of performing
everyday tasks, as well as tweaking and peaking settings.


Here's where I may come under fire, because it is my personal belief,
that to not update or patch your system, especially in this day and age,
where crackers, and please note the term I used, as opposed to hackers,
are also getting smarter, is the height of folly and stupidity.


I appologise for my harsh words on the subject, but it behooves us as
competent computer operators to insure our system is up to date. even if
we are not all competent computer operators, it is on us to insure that
someone with the requisite knowledge maintains our systems so that they
always run smoothly and efficiently.


On 12/11/2019 18:04, zahra wrote:
i never update my browser, operating system, screen reader etc.

On 11/12/19, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:
I'm using the latest firefox and don't have any crashing issues, I'd say
update and bite the bullet. You will have to anyway at some point.

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our
[website.](http://www.tffppodcast.com) This is also our libsyn page as
well.

to subscribe to the feed click [here](http://feeds.feedburner.com/tffp)

Our [telegram](https://t.me/tffppodcast) channel is also a good place
for an announce only in regard to podcasts, contests, etc.

Our [discord](https://discord.gg/fr7MaVK) is where you will know when
we go live on youtube, twitch and mixer. Thanks Restream staff.


Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go
[here](Http://patreon.com/tffppodcast)

On 11 Nov 2019, at 19:57, zahra wrote:

hi.
which version of firefox do you use?
for myself, i promised and i have firm belief that never use more than
firefox 52.3 esr, which have everythings that i need, and i never use
firefox quantum.
i tested firefox 61.0.1 and the result was frequent crashing of
firefox which i never face in none quantum versions of firefox.

On 11/12/19, Ibrahim Ajayi <@kobisko> wrote:
Hi good people:
I am having two different problems which I will like you chas to
address.
The first problem is with the NVDA screen reader itself.
When I start my computer, and the screen reader turns up, and I hear
"loading NVDA please wait:" nothing comes up again. I have to press
the key combination alttab twice to get back to NVDA, to hear
"welcome
to NVDA dialog. What exactly is happening here:
Added to that, It is just too slow, when I am working on the
internet. Many times, it crashes when i am on a website, and I have
to go back to the desktop, to start it again.
Sometimes, it take for ever for it to start reading a website. It
sometimes crashes the site, and never gets to read anything. All I
hear is Icon Icon.
Is there anything I can do to fix this problem? I have NVDA 2019.2 on
my computer.
I preferrably use Mozilla firefox as my browser.
The second issue or problem is this:
When I download a program and I attempt to install it, all I hear is
the program name mentioned, then set up, and nothing gets set up.
I hope this particular problem is well understood.
How can I get to set up these programs when I hear set up, and after
a
long wait, nothing gets set up or installed.
I need help with both issues.
Kind regards.
Ibrahim.



--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali




--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


Gene
 

I didn't say they wouldn't work.  I'm saying that some sites work better in important ways with Firefox and some with Chrome.  I would think that two Chrome-based browsers would handle the same sites poorly, or would be likely to.  I'm saying that using two browsers, the new Microsoft one, which is still in beta and I don't think you have it yet, and Chrome from Google, means that you are using two browsers that are too similar to get the advantage of using a combination like Chrome, any Chrome, and Firefox.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Arlene
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2019 11:46 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Issues:

Gene, some sites if you visit them with IE. You are told that this site is not supported. So I go to it using Chrome or edge and it does work.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gene
Sent: November 12, 2019 8:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Issues:

 

The new Microsoft browser that will replace the current Edge is based on Chrome, the open source version.  That is also what the Google Chrome browser is based on.  I suspect that if one Chrome-based browser has problems with a web page or doesn't do something well on it, the other one will have the same or similar problems.  Therefore, I would urge you to place Firefox on the machine.  You may want to use it as your secondary browser, for sites that don't work well with Chrome.  Internet Explorer is going to be retired.  I don't know when, but I wouldn't be surprised if it is retired within between one and two years.  And it is very old technologically.  It hasn't received anything but security updates for years. 

 

In short, you are probably using two browsers that will respond very similarly on web pages and Internet Explorer will be retired and is already not working well on some web pages because it is so technologically archaic. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Arlene

Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2019 9:46 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Issues:

 

Oh my, If you don’t update your system. You are asking for trouble!  As for firefox, I never installed it on my new system.  I have 3 browsers.  That’s good enough.  On my old windows 7 Firefox often crashed.  I don’t know if it was just the computer itself.  It would not let me update firefox.  After my 7 box died. I never did install it on this new system.  I use IE or Chrome. I am trying Microsoft Edge. Should IE quit working. 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: zahra
Sent: November 11, 2019 11:35 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Issues:

 

i never update my browser, operating system, screen reader etc.

 

On 11/12/19, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:

> I'm using the latest firefox and don't have any crashing issues, I'd say

> update and bite the bullet. You will have to anyway at some point.

> Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our

> [website.](http://www.tffppodcast.com) This is also our libsyn page as

> well.

> to subscribe to the feed click [here](http://feeds.feedburner.com/tffp)

> Our [telegram](https://t.me/tffppodcast) channel is also a good place

> for an announce only  in regard to podcasts, contests, etc.

> Our [discord](https://discord.gg/fr7MaVK)  is where you will know when

> we go live on youtube, twitch and mixer. Thanks Restream staff.

> Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go

> [here](Http://patreon.com/tffppodcast)

> On 11 Nov 2019, at 19:57, zahra wrote:

>> hi.

>> which version of firefox do you use?

>> for myself, i promised and i have firm belief that never use more than

>> firefox 52.3 esr, which have everythings that i need, and i never use

>> firefox quantum.

>> i tested firefox 61.0.1 and the result was frequent crashing of

>> firefox which i never face in none quantum versions of firefox.

>> 

>> On 11/12/19, Ibrahim Ajayi <kobisko@...> wrote:

>>> Hi good people:

>>> I am having two different problems which I will like you chas to

>>> address.

>>> The first problem is with the NVDA screen reader itself.

>>> When I start my computer, and the screen reader turns up, and I hear

>>> "loading NVDA please wait:" nothing comes up again.  I have to press

>>> the key combination alttab twice to get back to NVDA, to hear

>>> "welcome

>>> to NVDA dialog.  What exactly is happening here:

>>>  Added to that, It is just too slow, when I am working on the

>>> internet.  Many times, it crashes when i am on a website, and I have

>>> to go back to the desktop, to start it again.

>>> Sometimes, it take for ever for it to start reading a website.  It

>>> sometimes crashes the site, and never gets to read anything.  All I

>>> hear is Icon Icon.

>>> Is there anything I can do to fix this problem? I have NVDA 2019.2 on

>>> my computer.

>>> I preferrably use Mozilla firefox as my browser.

>>> The second issue or problem is this:

>>> When I download a program and I attempt to install it, all I hear is

>>> the program name mentioned, then set up, and nothing gets set up.

>>> I hope this particular problem is well understood.

>>> How can I get to set up these programs when I hear set up, and after

>>> a

>>> long wait, nothing gets set up or installed.

>>> I need help with both issues.

>>> Kind regards.

>>> Ibrahim.

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>> 

>> 

>> --

>> By God,

>> were I given all the seven heavens

>> with all they contain

>> in order that

>> I may disobey God

>> by depriving an ant

>> from the husk of a grain of barley,

>> I would not do it.

>> imam ali

>> 

>> 

>

 

 

--

By God,

were I given all the seven heavens

with all they contain

in order that

I may disobey God

by depriving an ant

from the husk of a grain of barley,

I would not do it.

imam ali