Hi,
What language is this and what's the expected behavior please/
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of nasrin
khaksar
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2017 9:57 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] about one of new features in nvda 2017.2

hello every one.
there is one new thing added to the new version of nvda which is realy
annoying for me.
when i press nvdaup three times,
• Performing the read current line command three times quickly spells the
line with character descriptions.
it bother me realy.
how can i deactivate it and restore previous behaviour?
its very important for me if i want to use newer versions of nvda.
i appreciate any help and God bless you all.

--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages al-islam.org

Hi,
What language is this and what's the expected behavior please/ Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
nasrin khaksar
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2017 9:57 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] about one of new features in nvda 2017.2

hello every one.
there is one new thing added to the new version of nvda which is realy
annoying for me.
when i press nvdaup three times,
• Performing the read current line command three times quickly spells
the line with character descriptions.
it bother me realy.
how can i deactivate it and restore previous behaviour?
its very important for me if i want to use newer versions of nvda.
i appreciate any help and God bless you all.

--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org

Hi,
I see.
Tyler, if you are here, can you please comment on this? Thanks.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of nasrin
khaksar
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2017 10:05 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] about one of new features in nvda 2017.2

i experienced this new feature both in persian (farsi) and english.
i wish that how many times i press nvda+up arrow, nvda only spells the line
not with character discription!

On 6/23/17, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:

Hi,
What language is this and what's the expected behavior please/ Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
nasrin khaksar
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2017 9:57 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] about one of new features in nvda 2017.2

hello every one.
there is one new thing added to the new version of nvda which is realy
annoying for me.
when i press nvdaup three times,
• Performing the read current line command three times quickly spells
the line with character descriptions.
it bother me realy.
how can i deactivate it and restore previous behaviour?
its very important for me if i want to use newer versions of nvda.
i appreciate any help and God bless you all.

--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org

--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages al-islam.org

I didn't understand why people wanted this feature and I'm not saying it
shouldn't be there. I'd have to see the reasons it was implemented. But
having said that, it seems cumbersome and I question the value of having a
line of text read alpha numerically. NVDA already can read the current word
alpha numerically. I would think those who need such would be far better
served by moving to the word they want clarified and using read current
word.

As far as your problem is concerned, it will take a little getting used to,
but you can work around the problem and after you get used to it. I would
think it would become easy once you get used to it. Press Read current line
twice to hear it spelled. Then, if you want to hear it spelled again and it
hasn't finished being spelled, press control to stop speech and again issue
read current line twice quickly. Pressing control resets the command so
pressing twice will always cause the line to be spelled.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: nasrin khaksar
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2017 12:05 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] about one of new features in nvda 2017.2


i experienced this new feature both in persian (farsi) and english.
i wish that how many times i press nvda+up arrow, nvda only spells the
line not with character discription!

On 6/23/17, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:

Hi,
What language is this and what's the expected behavior please/
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
nasrin
khaksar
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2017 9:57 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] about one of new features in nvda 2017.2

hello every one.
there is one new thing added to the new version of nvda which is realy
annoying for me.
when i press nvdaup three times,
• Performing the read current line command three times quickly spells the
line with character descriptions.
it bother me realy.
how can i deactivate it and restore previous behaviour?
its very important for me if i want to use newer versions of nvda.
i appreciate any help and God bless you all.

--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org

--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org

From memory, this was to bring it into line with other commands. Most
speech commands work like that - press once to hear it read, twice quickly
to spell and three times quickly to spell phonetically (alpha, bravo,
charlie etc). The reason why you might want it is if you have a word you
are having trouble hearing, maybe a new voice you aren't used to etc.

I can understand why you might not care to use it, but I can't figure out
why you are pressing NVDA+up arrow more than twice in that case?

Regards

Quentin.

On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 12:18 PM, Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
wrote:

pressing either numpad 8, or nvda-up arrow once reads the line, pressing
it twice spells the line, pressing it three times spells the line
phoenetically. I don't see any issue with this. If you don't want it
spelled phoenetically, don't press it three times, only press it twice.



On 6/23/2017 2:07 PM, Gene wrote:

I didn't understand why people wanted this feature and I'm not saying it
shouldn't be there. I'd have to see the reasons it was implemented. But
having said that, it seems cumbersome and I question the value of having
a
line of text read alpha numerically. NVDA already can read the current
word alpha numerically. I would think those who need such would be far
better served by moving to the word they want clarified and using read
current word.

As far as your problem is concerned, it will take a little getting used
to, but you can work around the problem and after you get used to it. I
would think it would become easy once you get used to it. Press Read
current line twice to hear it spelled. Then, if you want to hear it
spelled again and it hasn't finished being spelled, press control to stop
speech and again issue read current line twice quickly. Pressing control
resets the command so pressing twice will always cause the line to be
spelled.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@...>
*Sent:* Friday, June 23, 2017 12:05 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] about one of new features in nvda 2017.2

i experienced this new feature both in persian (farsi) and english.
i wish that how many times i press nvda+up arrow, nvda only spells the
line not with character discription!

On 6/23/17, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:

Hi,
What language is this and what's the expected behavior please/
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io

<nvda@nvda.groups.io>] On Behalf Of nasrin

khaksar
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2017 9:57 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] about one of new features in nvda 2017.2

hello every one.
there is one new thing added to the new version of nvda which is realy
annoying for me.
when i press nvdaup three times,
• Performing the read current line command three times quickly spells
the
line with character descriptions.
it bother me realy.
how can i deactivate it and restore previous behaviour?
its very important for me if i want to use newer versions of nvda.
i appreciate any help and God bless you all.

--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages

al-islam.org

--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org






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Hi,
What language is this and what's the expected behavior please/
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of nasrin
khaksar
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2017 9:57 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] about one of new features in nvda 2017.2

hello every one.
there is one new thing added to the new version of nvda which is realy
annoying for me.
when i press nvdaup three times,
• Performing the read current line command three times quickly spells the
line with character descriptions.
it bother me realy.
how can i deactivate it and restore previous behaviour?
its very important for me if i want to use newer versions of nvda.
i appreciate any help and God bless you all.

--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages al-islam.org

I don't know how many people asked for this feature. I believe I saw one
request for it here. The reason given for implementing it was to make it
consistent with other speech commands. There are times when consistency is
meaningless.

Why would anyone want to hear an entire line read alphanumerically in the
first place? It is usually an isolated word that needs clarification. If
some people do benefit from this feature, perhaps it may be user
controllable but I have serious questions, given two opposing comments so
far, that it should be on by default and I have serious questions as to
whether it impairs the user experience for more or far more people than it
helps. And, as I said, consistency is meaningless in this context. Read
current word and letter and read current line are used very differently in
general as far as I know by users than read current line.

Gene

----- Original Message -----From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2017 4:08 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] about one of new features in nvda 2017.2


No I know, I've never managed to figure out a use for phonetics unless it
helps those with poor hearing.

I have however discovered a problem at least with my system. sometimes it
needs three presses to get the normal spell others only two. A restart of
nvda fixes this but if the person with the original query has this same
issue from time to time it could be why he is getting a bit annoyed.
The true manner its supposed to work is nvda up arrow twice for spell and
three times for phonetics etc. However as I say, occasionally here, nvda
gets it wrong or does not register the presses, not sure.
Strange as I do not see the same issue on the copy to clipboard nvda keypad

5 command.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2017 7:07 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] about one of new features in nvda 2017.2


I didn't understand why people wanted this feature and I'm not saying it
shouldn't be there. I'd have to see the reasons it was implemented. But
having said that, it seems cumbersome and I question the value of having a
line of text read alpha numerically. NVDA already can read the current word

alpha numerically. I would think those who need such would be far better
served by moving to the word they want clarified and using read current
word.

As far as your problem is concerned, it will take a little getting used to,

but you can work around the problem and after you get used to it. I would
think it would become easy once you get used to it. Press Read current line

twice to hear it spelled. Then, if you want to hear it spelled again and it

hasn't finished being spelled, press control to stop speech and again issue

read current line twice quickly. Pressing control resets the command so
pressing twice will always cause the line to be spelled.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: nasrin khaksar
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2017 12:05 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] about one of new features in nvda 2017.2


i experienced this new feature both in persian (farsi) and english.
i wish that how many times i press nvda+up arrow, nvda only spells the
line not with character discription!

On 6/23/17, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:

Hi,
What language is this and what's the expected behavior please/
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
nasrin
khaksar
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2017 9:57 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] about one of new features in nvda 2017.2

hello every one.
there is one new thing added to the new version of nvda which is realy
annoying for me.
when i press nvdaup three times,
• Performing the read current line command three times quickly spells the
line with character descriptions.
it bother me realy.
how can i deactivate it and restore previous behaviour?
its very important for me if i want to use newer versions of nvda.
i appreciate any help and God bless you all.

--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org

--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org

If people are worried about having too many options in the various dialogs,
then another dialog could be made available from the NVDA menu called
something like rarely changed settings and people can be instructed to look
in that menu in the documentation if they want to see if something can be
changed that there is little demand for. It shouldn't take an add on for
something like this to be available.

I don't recall what was being discussed a few days ago as something that
should be user definable but it, too, could be in this menu. There really
should be a way, within NVDA itself, to accommodate such requests. Such
changes should be available within the program. Add ons in my opinion,
shouldn't have to be used to add to settings that can be changed in the
program. These are parameter changes affecting settings already in the
program itself.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Quentin Christensen
Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2017 7:11 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] about one of new features in nvda 2017.2


I haven't encountered the slow down requiring multiple NVDA+up arrow
presses, but it could be worth investigating particularly if we can narrow
down when it is happening.


If there is a want, as maybe by the comments there may be, to have the
ability to disable phonetic speaking, maybe it could be at least an addon,
such as "NoBeepsSpeechMode", if not a selectable option in NVDA itself.


Would someone like to file an issue?


On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 7:51 PM, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@...>
wrote:

i also have not issue with nvda copy the clipboard command.
the only issue with spelling.
if realy someone wants spell line phoneticly, and others dont, there
should be a setting for activating or deactivate this feature.
the optional setting that i can change when i need.


On 6/24/17, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
> I don't know how many people asked for this feature. I believe I saw
one
> request for it here. The reason given for implementing it was to make
it
> consistent with other speech commands. There are times when consistency
is
> meaningless.
>
> Why would anyone want to hear an entire line read alphanumerically in
the
> first place? It is usually an isolated word that needs clarification.
If
> some people do benefit from this feature, perhaps it may be user
> controllable but I have serious questions, given two opposing comments
so
> far, that it should be on by default and I have serious questions as to
> whether it impairs the user experience for more or far more people than
it
> helps. And, as I said, consistency is meaningless in this context.
Read
> current word and letter and read current line are used very differently
in
> general as far as I know by users than read current line.
>
> Gene
>
> ----- Original Message -----From: Brian's Mail list account via
Groups.Io
> Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2017 4:08 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] about one of new features in nvda 2017.2
>
>
> No I know, I've never managed to figure out a use for phonetics unless
it
> helps those with poor hearing.
>
> I have however discovered a problem at least with my system. sometimes
it
> needs three presses to get the normal spell others only two. A restart
of
> nvda fixes this but if the person with the original query has this same
> issue from time to time it could be why he is getting a bit annoyed.
> The true manner its supposed to work is nvda up arrow twice for spell
and
> three times for phonetics etc. However as I say, occasionally here,
nvda
> gets it wrong or does not register the presses, not sure.
> Strange as I do not see the same issue on the copy to clipboard nvda
keypad
>
> 5 command.
> Brian
>
> bglists@...
> Sent via blueyonder.
> Please address personal email to:-
> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
> in the display name field.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Friday, June 23, 2017 7:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [nvda] about one of new features in nvda 2017.2
>
>
> I didn't understand why people wanted this feature and I'm not saying
it
> shouldn't be there. I'd have to see the reasons it was implemented.
But
> having said that, it seems cumbersome and I question the value of having
a
> line of text read alpha numerically. NVDA already can read the current
word
>
> alpha numerically. I would think those who need such would be far
better
> served by moving to the word they want clarified and using read current
> word.
>
> As far as your problem is concerned, it will take a little getting used
to,
>
> but you can work around the problem and after you get used to it. I
would
> think it would become easy once you get used to it. Press Read current
line
>
> twice to hear it spelled. Then, if you want to hear it spelled again
and it
>
> hasn't finished being spelled, press control to stop speech and again
issue
>
> read current line twice quickly. Pressing control resets the command
so
> pressing twice will always cause the line to be spelled.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: nasrin khaksar
> Sent: Friday, June 23, 2017 12:05 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] about one of new features in nvda 2017.2
>
>
> i experienced this new feature both in persian (farsi) and english.
> i wish that how many times i press nvda+up arrow, nvda only spells the
> line not with character discription!
>
> On 6/23/17, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:
>> Hi,
>> What language is this and what's the expected behavior please/
>> Cheers,
>> Joseph
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>> nasrin
>> khaksar
>> Sent: Friday, June 23, 2017 9:57 AM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: [nvda] about one of new features in nvda 2017.2
>>
>> hello every one.
>> there is one new thing added to the new version of nvda which is realy
>> annoying for me.
>> when i press nvdaup three times,
>> • Performing the read current line command three times quickly spells
the
>> line with character descriptions.
>> it bother me realy.
>> how can i deactivate it and restore previous behaviour?
>> its very important for me if i want to use newer versions of nvda.
>> i appreciate any help and God bless you all.
>>
>> --
>> we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
>> holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
>> in the very authentic narration is:
>> imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
>> best website for studying islamic book in different languages
>> al-islam.org
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
> holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
> in the very authentic narration is:
> imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
> best website for studying islamic book in different languages
> al-islam.org
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org










--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available:
http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/


Ph +61 7 3149 3306
www.nvaccess.org
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess

hello every one.
there is one new thing added to the new version of nvda which is realy
annoying for me.
when i press nvdaup three times,
• Performing the read current line command three times quickly spells
the line with character descriptions.
it bother me realy.
how can i deactivate it and restore previous behaviour?
its very important for me if i want to use newer versions of nvda.
i appreciate any help and God bless you all.

--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org