Thoughts About New Earcons in Test Branch


David Goldfield
 

Forgive me if this has already been discussed, as I have just resubscribed to this list and have been off of it for quite some time.

I had mixed feelings about the new earcons which I noticed in a recent version in the "next" branch. While I generally like them I think that the sound going from focus mode back to browse mode is almost too quiet and I wonder if they should be a tad louder or slightly more pronounced.

I'm also wondering if consideration was ever given to the idea of allowing users to change the sounds in the sounds applet in Windows itself, just as you now can with programs like speech recognition and the Window-Eyes screen reader.


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Bhavya shah
 

Hi David,
Not sure about the Sounds Applet in Windows, but customization of NVDA
sounds is certainly possible, although in a slightly hacky and
unofficial (but not unethical or illegal) way. Check out the third
trick which deals with this very task of my recent blog post 'Top 5
NVDA Tips and Tricks You Need To Know' located at
https://bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/2017/06/26/top-5-nvda-tips-and-tricks-you-need-to-know/
Thanks.

On 6/30/17, David Goldfield <david.goldfield@outlook.com> wrote:
Forgive me if this has already been discussed, as I have just resubscribed
to this list and have been off of it for quite some time.

I had mixed feelings about the new earcons which I noticed in a recent
version in the "next" branch. While I generally like them I think that the
sound going from focus mode back to browse mode is almost too quiet and I
wonder if they should be a tad louder or slightly more pronounced.

I'm also wondering if consideration was ever given to the idea of allowing
users to change the sounds in the sounds applet in Windows itself, just as
you now can with programs like speech recognition and the Window-Eyes screen
reader.


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David Goldfield
 

Hi, Bhavya.

Thanks for the link to your blog, which is quite good, by the way. Yes, I'm familiar with substituting the default wav files for ones which might be preferable. I may do that but was just wondering what people felt about the existing earcons being used in the test branch.

David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist Feel free to visit my Web site WWW.DavidGoldfield.Info

On 6/30/2017 1:09 PM, Bhavya shah wrote:
Hi David,
Not sure about the Sounds Applet in Windows, but customization of NVDA
sounds is certainly possible, although in a slightly hacky and
unofficial (but not unethical or illegal) way. Check out the third
trick which deals with this very task of my recent blog post 'Top 5
NVDA Tips and Tricks You Need To Know' located at
https://bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/2017/06/26/top-5-nvda-tips-and-tricks-you-need-to-know/
Thanks.

On 6/30/17, David Goldfield <david.goldfield@...> wrote:
Forgive me if this has already been discussed, as I have just resubscribed
to this list and have been off of it for quite some time.

I had mixed feelings about the new earcons which I noticed in a recent
version in the "next" branch. While I generally like them I think that the
sound going from focus mode back to browse mode is almost too quiet and I
wonder if they should be a tad louder or slightly more pronounced.

I'm also wondering if consideration was ever given to the idea of allowing
users to change the sounds in the sounds applet in Windows itself, just as
you now can with programs like speech recognition and the Window-Eyes screen
reader.


--
David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist Feel free to visit my Web
site WWW.DavidGoldfield.Info<http://WWW.DavidGoldfield.Info>




Andre Fisher
 

I like them. They are short and snappy. The start and exit sounds are
a big improvement for me. The focus and browse mode sounds will take
some getting used to, but I have gone through that process already. I
wish the text error sound would be changed though, as it is too long.

On 6/30/17, David Goldfield <david.goldfield@outlook.com> wrote:
Hi, Bhavya.

Thanks for the link to your blog, which is quite good, by the way. Yes, I'm
familiar with substituting the default wav files for ones which might be
preferable. I may do that but was just wondering what people felt about the
existing earcons being used in the test branch.

David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist Feel free to visit my Web
site WWW.DavidGoldfield.Info<http://WWW.DavidGoldfield.Info>
On 6/30/2017 1:09 PM, Bhavya shah wrote:

Hi David,
Not sure about the Sounds Applet in Windows, but customization of NVDA
sounds is certainly possible, although in a slightly hacky and
unofficial (but not unethical or illegal) way. Check out the third
trick which deals with this very task of my recent blog post 'Top 5
NVDA Tips and Tricks You Need To Know' located at
https://bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/2017/06/26/top-5-nvda-tips-and-tricks-you-need-to-know/
Thanks.

On 6/30/17, David Goldfield
<david.goldfield@outlook.com><mailto:david.goldfield@outlook.com> wrote:


Forgive me if this has already been discussed, as I have just resubscribed
to this list and have been off of it for quite some time.

I had mixed feelings about the new earcons which I noticed in a recent
version in the "next" branch. While I generally like them I think that the
sound going from focus mode back to browse mode is almost too quiet and I
wonder if they should be a tad louder or slightly more pronounced.

I'm also wondering if consideration was ever given to the idea of allowing
users to change the sounds in the sounds applet in Windows itself, just as
you now can with programs like speech recognition and the Window-Eyes
screen
reader.


--
David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist Feel free to visit my Web
site
WWW.DavidGoldfield.Info<http://WWW.DavidGoldfield.Info><http://WWW.DavidGoldfield.Info><http://WWW.DavidGoldfield.Info>








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Yes I raised this as well. also a person who was hard of hearing said there was not enough lf in the sound for focus mode and it was quiet. also the start and end sounds need to be a little longer as it is hard to decide if they are rising and falling with such a short sound.

I did put up some alternatives derived from the new sounds but nobody in authority commented or has changed them. Perhaps you could make a new issue about it and I'll add my thoughts as well?

Brian

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Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 5:15 PM
Subject: [nvda] Thoughts About New Earcons in Test Branch


Forgive me if this has already been discussed, as I have just resubscribed to this list and have been off of it for quite some time.

I had mixed feelings about the new earcons which I noticed in a recent version in the "next" branch. While I generally like them I think that the sound going from focus mode back to browse mode is almost too quiet and I wonder if they should be a tad louder or slightly more pronounced.

I'm also wondering if consideration was ever given to the idea of allowing users to change the sounds in the sounds applet in Windows itself, just as you now can with programs like speech recognition and the Window-Eyes screen reader.


--
David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist Feel free to visit my Web site WWW.DavidGoldfield.Info<http://WWW.DavidGoldfield.Info>


Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

I don't like the next snaps sounds myself but I am only one person. See my previous reply.
See what you think of these tweaked ones.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/hkkz61mwjxjsqbk/waves.zip?dl=1

Brian

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From: "David Goldfield" <david.goldfield@outlook.com>
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Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 7:52 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Thoughts About New Earcons in Test Branch


Hi, Bhavya.

Thanks for the link to your blog, which is quite good, by the way. Yes, I'm familiar with substituting the default wav files for ones which might be preferable. I may do that but was just wondering what people felt about the existing earcons being used in the test branch.

David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist Feel free to visit my Web site WWW.DavidGoldfield.Info<http://WWW.DavidGoldfield.Info>
On 6/30/2017 1:09 PM, Bhavya shah wrote:

Hi David,
Not sure about the Sounds Applet in Windows, but customization of NVDA
sounds is certainly possible, although in a slightly hacky and
unofficial (but not unethical or illegal) way. Check out the third
trick which deals with this very task of my recent blog post 'Top 5
NVDA Tips and Tricks You Need To Know' located at
https://bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/2017/06/26/top-5-nvda-tips-and-tricks-you-need-to-know/
Thanks.

On 6/30/17, David Goldfield <david.goldfield@outlook.com><mailto:david.goldfield@outlook.com> wrote:


Forgive me if this has already been discussed, as I have just resubscribed
to this list and have been off of it for quite some time.

I had mixed feelings about the new earcons which I noticed in a recent
version in the "next" branch. While I generally like them I think that the
sound going from focus mode back to browse mode is almost too quiet and I
wonder if they should be a tad louder or slightly more pronounced.

I'm also wondering if consideration was ever given to the idea of allowing
users to change the sounds in the sounds applet in Windows itself, just as
you now can with programs like speech recognition and the Window-Eyes screen
reader.


--
David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist Feel free to visit my Web
site WWW.DavidGoldfield.Info<http://WWW.DavidGoldfield.Info><http://WWW.DavidGoldfield.Info><http://WWW.DavidGoldfield.Info>








Brandon Cross <bcross3286@...>
 

I think it would be easier to hear if the sounds werent downsamplled to 22KHz. I have it on good authority they were created at 44.1KHz.

On Sat, Jul 1, 2017 at 7:17 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists@...> wrote:
I don't like the next snaps sounds myself but I am only one person. See my previous reply.
See what you think of these tweaked ones.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/hkkz61mwjxjsqbk/waves.zip?dl=1

Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "David Goldfield" <david.goldfield@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 7:52 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Thoughts About New Earcons in Test Branch


Hi, Bhavya.

Thanks for the link to your blog, which is quite good, by the way. Yes, I'm familiar with substituting the default wav files for ones which might be preferable. I may do that but was just wondering what people felt about the existing earcons being used in the test branch.

David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist Feel free to visit my Web site WWW.DavidGoldfield.Info<http://WWW.DavidGoldfield.Info>
On 6/30/2017 1:09 PM, Bhavya shah wrote:

Hi David,
Not sure about the Sounds Applet in Windows, but customization of NVDA
sounds is certainly possible, although in a slightly hacky and
unofficial (but not unethical or illegal) way. Check out the third
trick which deals with this very task of my recent blog post 'Top 5
NVDA Tips and Tricks You Need To Know' located at
https://bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/2017/06/26/top-5-nvda-tips-and-tricks-you-need-to-know/
Thanks.

On 6/30/17, David Goldfield <david.goldfield@...><mailto:david.goldfield@outlook.com> wrote:


Forgive me if this has already been discussed, as I have just resubscribed
to this list and have been off of it for quite some time.

I had mixed feelings about the new earcons which I noticed in a recent
version in the "next" branch. While I generally like them I think that the
sound going from focus mode back to browse mode is almost too quiet and I
wonder if they should be a tad louder or slightly more pronounced.

I'm also wondering if consideration was ever given to the idea of allowing
users to change the sounds in the sounds applet in Windows itself, just as
you now can with programs like speech recognition and the Window-Eyes screen
reader.


--
David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist Feel free to visit my Web
site WWW.DavidGoldfield.Info<http://WWW.DavidGoldfield.Info><http://WWW.DavidGoldfield.Info><http://WWW.DavidGoldfield.Info>














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Not sure how this would affect them. Yes they were and yes i did but to be honest its not an issue, but th4e sounds themselves were. I've tested them at both sample rates and can hear no difference.
Did not seem much point in using a rate for bats when bats do not use computers.

Brian

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Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2017 9:30 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Thoughts About New Earcons in Test Branch


I think it would be easier to hear if the sounds werent downsamplled to
22KHz. I have it on good authority they were created at 44.1KHz.

On Sat, Jul 1, 2017 at 7:17 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <
bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:

I don't like the next snaps sounds myself but I am only one person. See my
previous reply.
See what you think of these tweaked ones.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/hkkz61mwjxjsqbk/waves.zip?dl=1

Brian

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david.goldfield@outlook.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 7:52 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Thoughts About New Earcons in Test Branch


Hi, Bhavya.

Thanks for the link to your blog, which is quite good, by the way. Yes,
I'm familiar with substituting the default wav files for ones which might
be preferable. I may do that but was just wondering what people felt about
the existing earcons being used in the test branch.

David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist Feel free to visit my
Web site WWW.DavidGoldfield.Info<http://WWW.DavidGoldfield.Info>
On 6/30/2017 1:09 PM, Bhavya shah wrote:

Hi David,
Not sure about the Sounds Applet in Windows, but customization of NVDA
sounds is certainly possible, although in a slightly hacky and
unofficial (but not unethical or illegal) way. Check out the third
trick which deals with this very task of my recent blog post 'Top 5
NVDA Tips and Tricks You Need To Know' located at
https://bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/2017/06/26/top-5-nvda-
tips-and-tricks-you-need-to-know/
Thanks.

On 6/30/17, David Goldfield <david.goldfield@outlook.com><mailto:
david.goldfield@outlook.com> wrote:


Forgive me if this has already been discussed, as I have just resubscribed
to this list and have been off of it for quite some time.

I had mixed feelings about the new earcons which I noticed in a recent
version in the "next" branch. While I generally like them I think that the
sound going from focus mode back to browse mode is almost too quiet and I
wonder if they should be a tad louder or slightly more pronounced.

I'm also wondering if consideration was ever given to the idea of allowing
users to change the sounds in the sounds applet in Windows itself, just as
you now can with programs like speech recognition and the Window-Eyes
screen
reader.


--
David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist Feel free to visit my Web
site WWW.DavidGoldfield.Info<http://WWW.DavidGoldfield.Info><http
://WWW.DavidGoldfield.Info><http://WWW.DavidGoldfield.Info>











Ame
 

Okay, earcons? What the heck is an earcon and how do you use them?


Devin Prater
 

Earcons are icons for the ears: they play in stead of words, for
example, the forms mode earccon plays instead of "forms mode," being spoken.
--
Devin Prater
assistive Technology Instructor in training
World services for the blind


"Ame" <abk043@gmail.com> writes:

Okay, earcons? What the heck is an earcon and how do you use them?


Gene
 

From the context and the similarity to icons, it should mean an audio cue such as when you go from browse mode to forms mode.  I would think that sounds such as e-mail arrival would also be called earcons. 
 
I have't looked up the word but I'd be very surprised if that isn't the meaning or something very similar. 
 
Gene
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From: Ame
Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2017 1:09 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Thoughts About New Earcons in Test Branch

Okay, earcons?  What the heck is an earcon and how do you use them?



Arlene
 

Oh that's interesting!

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Devin
Prater
Sent: July-02-17 11:41 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Thoughts About New Earcons in Test Branch

Earcons are icons for the ears: they play in stead of words, for example,
the forms mode earccon plays instead of "forms mode," being spoken.
--
Devin Prater
assistive Technology Instructor in training
World services for the blind


"Ame" <abk043@gmail.com> writes:

Okay, earcons? What the heck is an earcon and how do you use them?