Reading footnotes in LibreOffice with NVDA


Sylvie Duchateau
 

Hello all,
I mostly use microsoft Office to write and read documents.
But I have to read an ODT document and keep it formated as it is, so I prefer using LibreOffice to read and correct it.
this document contains several footnotes. When I read through the document, I see the footnote number, but when I come at the end of the page, I cannot see the footnote.
Does anyone have an idea on how to read the content of a footnote with LibreOffice and NVDA?
Many thanks in advance!
Best
Sylvie


 

hello.
i tried to read footnotes in libreoffice without success and i read in
previous emails of list that footnotes are not accessible for
libreoffice users.
i wish that someone present a solution.
or if its realy not accessible,
you can report the bug in libreoffice bug report.
http://www.bugs.libreoffice.org

On 7/7/17, Sylvie Duchateau <sduchateau@access42.net> wrote:
Hello all,
I mostly use microsoft Office to write and read documents.
But I have to read an ODT document and keep it formated as it is, so I
prefer using LibreOffice to read and correct it.
this document contains several footnotes. When I read through the
document, I see the footnote number, but when I come at the end of the
page, I cannot see the footnote.
Does anyone have an idea on how to read the content of a footnote with
LibreOffice and NVDA?
Many thanks in advance!
Best
Sylvie



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we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


 

Sylvie,

         If I may ask, what version of MS Office are you using?   Since at least Office 2010 MS-Word is able to open and save in ODT format.  If you've got a recent version of Office you should be able to edit and save ODT files in their native ODT format without using Libre Office at all.
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     The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement.  But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth.

            Niels Bohr

 

 


 

hello again.
previous versions of microsoft office need odt 1.0-1.1
if you need to support recent versions of odt format, you need to have
microsoft office 2013.

On 7/8/17, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:
Sylvie,

         If I may ask, what version of MS Office are you using?   Since at
least Office 2010 MS-Word is able to open and save in ODT format.  If you've
got a recent version of Office you should be able to edit and save ODT files
in their native ODT format without using Libre Office at all.
--
Brian  - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1703, Build 15063  (dot level on
request - it changes too often to keep in signature)

*     * *The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement.* *  But
the opposite of a profound truth may well be another* * profound truth.*

*           ~ * *Niels Bohr*
--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


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I think maybe what needs to happen here though is that somebody answers the original question as to whether the footnotes in the Libra and Open office can be made accessible or not. Anyone know if Jaws does it? I'm thinking that since Microsoft seem to be drifting toward the rental market model for Office I'd like to make a statement that I do not like this way of going forward, so on the next upgrade I'd ditch Word altogether.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "nasrin khaksar" <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2017 5:42 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading footnotes in LibreOffice with NVDA


hello again.
previous versions of microsoft office need odt 1.0-1.1
if you need to support recent versions of odt format, you need to have
microsoft office 2013.

On 7/8/17, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:
Sylvie,

If I may ask, what version of MS Office are you using? Since at
least Office 2010 MS-Word is able to open and save in ODT format. If you've
got a recent version of Office you should be able to edit and save ODT files
in their native ODT format without using Libre Office at all.
--
Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1703, Build 15063 (dot level on
request - it changes too often to keep in signature)

* * *The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement.* * But
the opposite of a profound truth may well be another* * profound truth.*

* ~ * *Niels Bohr*

--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


 

i heard that footnotes are completely inaccessible.
but i sent one version of libreoffice for someone to test.
he uses jaws and told me that jaws and libreoffice are not compatible
with each other and installing libreoffice for me that i use jaws,
caused hang for my entire system!

On 7/8/17, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
<bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
I think maybe what needs to happen here though is that somebody answers the

original question as to whether the footnotes in the Libra and Open office
can be made accessible or not. Anyone know if Jaws does it? I'm thinking
that since Microsoft seem to be drifting toward the rental market model for

Office I'd like to make a statement that I do not like this way of going
forward, so on the next upgrade I'd ditch Word altogether.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "nasrin khaksar" <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2017 5:42 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading footnotes in LibreOffice with NVDA


hello again.
previous versions of microsoft office need odt 1.0-1.1
if you need to support recent versions of odt format, you need to have
microsoft office 2013.

On 7/8/17, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:
Sylvie,

If I may ask, what version of MS Office are you using? Since at
least Office 2010 MS-Word is able to open and save in ODT format. If
you've
got a recent version of Office you should be able to edit and save ODT
files
in their native ODT format without using Libre Office at all.
--
Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1703, Build 15063 (dot level on
request - it changes too often to keep in signature)

* * *The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement.* * But
the opposite of a profound truth may well be another* * profound truth.*

* ~ * *Niels Bohr*

--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org







--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


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That does not sound good. I know originally Libra Office and Open Office and the Symphony office suite were all written in Java, but much of them now have embeded accessibility, but did wonder if Java was installed if that might help some parts not accessible out of the box.
I'd really like another choice than Microsoft Office as they are pushing people toward toe online product where you have to keep paying to to get it up todate.
Has read all been sorted in Libra Office yet, ie can nvda see that there is more text to read after a larrge break outside of a page you are in?
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "nasrin khaksar" <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2017 12:36 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading footnotes in LibreOffice with NVDA


i heard that footnotes are completely inaccessible.
but i sent one version of libreoffice for someone to test.
he uses jaws and told me that jaws and libreoffice are not compatible
with each other and installing libreoffice for me that i use jaws,
caused hang for my entire system!

On 7/8/17, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
<bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
I think maybe what needs to happen here though is that somebody answers the

original question as to whether the footnotes in the Libra and Open office
can be made accessible or not. Anyone know if Jaws does it? I'm thinking
that since Microsoft seem to be drifting toward the rental market model for

Office I'd like to make a statement that I do not like this way of going
forward, so on the next upgrade I'd ditch Word altogether.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "nasrin khaksar" <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2017 5:42 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading footnotes in LibreOffice with NVDA


hello again.
previous versions of microsoft office need odt 1.0-1.1
if you need to support recent versions of odt format, you need to have
microsoft office 2013.

On 7/8/17, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:
Sylvie,

If I may ask, what version of MS Office are you using? Since at
least Office 2010 MS-Word is able to open and save in ODT format. If
you've
got a recent version of Office you should be able to edit and save ODT
files
in their native ODT format without using Libre Office at all.
--
Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1703, Build 15063 (dot level on
request - it changes too often to keep in signature)

* * *The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement.* * But
the opposite of a profound truth may well be another* * profound truth.*

* ~ * *Niels Bohr*

--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org







--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


 

i agree with you brian.
i realy wish another solution for replacing with microsoft office.
but in libreoffice website and there bugzilla, i realized that
libreoffice is written in c++ language.
the previous versions only were accessible using java and java access briedge.
but since version 4.3, fortunately there is no need for installing
these extra component.
java now is needed specially for database.

On 7/9/17, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
<bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
That does not sound good. I know originally Libra Office and Open Office and

the Symphony office suite were all written in Java, but much of them now
have embeded accessibility, but did wonder if Java was installed if that
might help some parts not accessible out of the box.
I'd really like another choice than Microsoft Office as they are pushing
people toward toe online product where you have to keep paying to to get it

up todate.
Has read all been sorted in Libra Office yet, ie can nvda see that there is

more text to read after a larrge break outside of a page you are in?
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "nasrin khaksar" <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2017 12:36 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading footnotes in LibreOffice with NVDA


i heard that footnotes are completely inaccessible.
but i sent one version of libreoffice for someone to test.
he uses jaws and told me that jaws and libreoffice are not compatible
with each other and installing libreoffice for me that i use jaws,
caused hang for my entire system!

On 7/8/17, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
<bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
I think maybe what needs to happen here though is that somebody answers
the

original question as to whether the footnotes in the Libra and Open
office
can be made accessible or not. Anyone know if Jaws does it? I'm thinking
that since Microsoft seem to be drifting toward the rental market model

for

Office I'd like to make a statement that I do not like this way of going
forward, so on the next upgrade I'd ditch Word altogether.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "nasrin khaksar" <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2017 5:42 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading footnotes in LibreOffice with NVDA


hello again.
previous versions of microsoft office need odt 1.0-1.1
if you need to support recent versions of odt format, you need to have
microsoft office 2013.

On 7/8/17, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:
Sylvie,

If I may ask, what version of MS Office are you using? Since at
least Office 2010 MS-Word is able to open and save in ODT format. If
you've
got a recent version of Office you should be able to edit and save ODT
files
in their native ODT format without using Libre Office at all.
--
Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1703, Build 15063 (dot level
on
request - it changes too often to keep in signature)

* * *The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement.* * But
the opposite of a profound truth may well be another* * profound
truth.*

* ~ * *Niels Bohr*

--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org







--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org






--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


 

ms office aint that bad I am going to shift my aunt who was in business into using it as she has worked with it at work.

I'd dearly like her to use free office and software but she is spending on a laptop, and will get office.

Has anyone tried wps office at all?

Its free and bar a watermark on printed files is fine.

Now its 30 a year and maybe cheaper per month I forget but you can subscribe a pc and some mobile devices to it.

Or if on pc is all you will use it on its 80 dollars for a lifetime pc licence.

As long as that pc is fine then you don't have an issue.

I think unless you get a key and just install it on another pc afterward.

Thats cheaper than office but has anyone used this.

She has an ios and an android device and since she is cloud based, linking her cloud to her computer with ms apps is not a bad thing I guess since she has a 3 device chain.

The only people that don't are those on single devices like myself.

On 9/07/2017 8:47 p.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
That does not sound good. I know originally Libra Office and Open Office and the Symphony office suite were all written in Java, but much of them now have embeded accessibility, but did wonder if Java was installed if that might help some parts not accessible out of the box.
I'd really like another choice than Microsoft Office as they are pushing people toward toe online product where you have to keep paying to to get it up todate.
Has read all been sorted in Libra Office yet, ie can nvda see that there is more text to read after a larrge break outside of a page you are in?
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "nasrin khaksar" <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2017 12:36 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading footnotes in LibreOffice with NVDA


i heard that footnotes are completely inaccessible.
but i sent one version of libreoffice for someone to test.
he uses jaws and told me that jaws and libreoffice are not compatible
with each other and installing libreoffice for me that i use jaws,
caused hang for my entire system!

On 7/8/17, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
<bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
I think maybe what needs to happen here though is that somebody answers the

original question as to whether the footnotes in the Libra and Open office
can be made accessible or not. Anyone know if Jaws does it? I'm thinking
that since Microsoft seem to be drifting toward the rental market model for

Office I'd like to make a statement that I do not like this way of going
forward, so on the next upgrade I'd ditch Word altogether.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "nasrin khaksar" <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2017 5:42 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading footnotes in LibreOffice with NVDA


hello again.
previous versions of microsoft office need odt 1.0-1.1
if you need to support recent versions of odt format, you need to have
microsoft office 2013.

On 7/8/17, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:
Sylvie,

If I may ask, what version of MS Office are you using? Since at
least Office 2010 MS-Word is able to open and save in ODT format. If
you've
got a recent version of Office you should be able to edit and save ODT
files
in their native ODT format without using Libre Office at all.
--
Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1703, Build 15063 (dot level on
request - it changes too often to keep in signature)

* * *The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement.* * But
the opposite of a profound truth may well be another* * profound truth.*

* ~ * *Niels Bohr*

--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org







--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org




.


 

i remember that one time i tried one office program which was
completely inaccessible.
i am not sure about its name whether wps office suite or other program.
but if it was wps, it was free version of it.
i dont know there website.
could you please send me to check?

On 7/9/17, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@gmail.com> wrote:
ms office aint that bad I am going to shift my aunt who was in business
into using it as she has worked with it at work.

I'd dearly like her to use free office and software but she is spending
on a laptop, and will get office.

Has anyone tried wps office at all?

Its free and bar a watermark on printed files is fine.

Now its 30 a year and maybe cheaper per month I forget but you can
subscribe a pc and some mobile devices to it.

Or if on pc is all you will use it on its 80 dollars for a lifetime pc
licence.

As long as that pc is fine then you don't have an issue.

I think unless you get a key and just install it on another pc afterward.

Thats cheaper than office but has anyone used this.

She has an ios and an android device and since she is cloud based,
linking her cloud to her computer with ms apps is not a bad thing I
guess since she has a 3 device chain.

The only people that don't are those on single devices like myself.




On 9/07/2017 8:47 p.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
That does not sound good. I know originally Libra Office and Open
Office and the Symphony office suite were all written in Java, but
much of them now have embeded accessibility, but did wonder if Java
was installed if that might help some parts not accessible out of the
box.
I'd really like another choice than Microsoft Office as they are
pushing people toward toe online product where you have to keep
paying to to get it up todate.
Has read all been sorted in Libra Office yet, ie can nvda see that
there is more text to read after a larrge break outside of a page you
are in?
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "nasrin khaksar"
<nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2017 12:36 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading footnotes in LibreOffice with NVDA


i heard that footnotes are completely inaccessible.
but i sent one version of libreoffice for someone to test.
he uses jaws and told me that jaws and libreoffice are not compatible
with each other and installing libreoffice for me that i use jaws,
caused hang for my entire system!

On 7/8/17, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
<bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
I think maybe what needs to happen here though is that somebody
answers the

original question as to whether the footnotes in the Libra and Open
office
can be made accessible or not. Anyone know if Jaws does it? I'm
thinking
that since Microsoft seem to be drifting toward the rental market
model for

Office I'd like to make a statement that I do not like this way of
going
forward, so on the next upgrade I'd ditch Word altogether.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "nasrin khaksar" <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2017 5:42 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading footnotes in LibreOffice with NVDA


hello again.
previous versions of microsoft office need odt 1.0-1.1
if you need to support recent versions of odt format, you need to have
microsoft office 2013.

On 7/8/17, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:
Sylvie,

If I may ask, what version of MS Office are you using? Since at
least Office 2010 MS-Word is able to open and save in ODT format. If
you've
got a recent version of Office you should be able to edit and save ODT
files
in their native ODT format without using Libre Office at all.
--
Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1703, Build 15063 (dot
level on
request - it changes too often to keep in signature)

* * *The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement.* * But
the opposite of a profound truth may well be another* * profound
truth.*

* ~ * *Niels Bohr*

--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org







--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org





.



--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


 

www.wps.com

I havn't tried this it does a bit more than standard office, document and pdf conversion and a few things.

It seems that from forums a lot of people that switched from ms office line didn't like the direction of libre or open office families and switched to this.

In one case online the software has been reportedly installed all over the place and is not good, however, it was only 1.

I do know from security sites I read thats its been round since 1997 and that it is chinese.

So it is almost as old as modern office office 95 and earlier excluded.

On 9/07/2017 11:54 p.m., nasrin khaksar wrote:
i remember that one time i tried one office program which was
completely inaccessible.
i am not sure about its name whether wps office suite or other program.
but if it was wps, it was free version of it.
i dont know there website.
could you please send me to check?

On 7/9/17, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@gmail.com> wrote:
ms office aint that bad I am going to shift my aunt who was in business
into using it as she has worked with it at work.

I'd dearly like her to use free office and software but she is spending
on a laptop, and will get office.

Has anyone tried wps office at all?

Its free and bar a watermark on printed files is fine.

Now its 30 a year and maybe cheaper per month I forget but you can
subscribe a pc and some mobile devices to it.

Or if on pc is all you will use it on its 80 dollars for a lifetime pc
licence.

As long as that pc is fine then you don't have an issue.

I think unless you get a key and just install it on another pc afterward.

Thats cheaper than office but has anyone used this.

She has an ios and an android device and since she is cloud based,
linking her cloud to her computer with ms apps is not a bad thing I
guess since she has a 3 device chain.

The only people that don't are those on single devices like myself.




On 9/07/2017 8:47 p.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
That does not sound good. I know originally Libra Office and Open
Office and the Symphony office suite were all written in Java, but
much of them now have embeded accessibility, but did wonder if Java
was installed if that might help some parts not accessible out of the
box.
I'd really like another choice than Microsoft Office as they are
pushing people toward toe online product where you have to keep
paying to to get it up todate.
Has read all been sorted in Libra Office yet, ie can nvda see that
there is more text to read after a larrge break outside of a page you
are in?
Brian

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i heard that footnotes are completely inaccessible.
but i sent one version of libreoffice for someone to test.
he uses jaws and told me that jaws and libreoffice are not compatible
with each other and installing libreoffice for me that i use jaws,
caused hang for my entire system!

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I think maybe what needs to happen here though is that somebody
answers the

original question as to whether the footnotes in the Libra and Open
office
can be made accessible or not. Anyone know if Jaws does it? I'm
thinking
that since Microsoft seem to be drifting toward the rental market
model for

Office I'd like to make a statement that I do not like this way of
going
forward, so on the next upgrade I'd ditch Word altogether.
Brian

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Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2017 5:42 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading footnotes in LibreOffice with NVDA


hello again.
previous versions of microsoft office need odt 1.0-1.1
if you need to support recent versions of odt format, you need to have
microsoft office 2013.

On 7/8/17, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:
Sylvie,

If I may ask, what version of MS Office are you using? Since at
least Office 2010 MS-Word is able to open and save in ODT format. If
you've
got a recent version of Office you should be able to edit and save ODT
files
in their native ODT format without using Libre Office at all.
--
Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1703, Build 15063 (dot
level on
request - it changes too often to keep in signature)

* * *The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement.* * But
the opposite of a profound truth may well be another* * profound
truth.*

* ~ * *Niels Bohr*
--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org






--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org




.



 

Please reply if it works.

I may concidder it later on if it is.

Jarte works well but if I need to switch to another office app, I don't mind paying 80 dollars for full office.

On 9/07/2017 11:54 p.m., nasrin khaksar wrote:
i remember that one time i tried one office program which was
completely inaccessible.
i am not sure about its name whether wps office suite or other program.
but if it was wps, it was free version of it.
i dont know there website.
could you please send me to check?

On 7/9/17, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@gmail.com> wrote:
ms office aint that bad I am going to shift my aunt who was in business
into using it as she has worked with it at work.

I'd dearly like her to use free office and software but she is spending
on a laptop, and will get office.

Has anyone tried wps office at all?

Its free and bar a watermark on printed files is fine.

Now its 30 a year and maybe cheaper per month I forget but you can
subscribe a pc and some mobile devices to it.

Or if on pc is all you will use it on its 80 dollars for a lifetime pc
licence.

As long as that pc is fine then you don't have an issue.

I think unless you get a key and just install it on another pc afterward.

Thats cheaper than office but has anyone used this.

She has an ios and an android device and since she is cloud based,
linking her cloud to her computer with ms apps is not a bad thing I
guess since she has a 3 device chain.

The only people that don't are those on single devices like myself.




On 9/07/2017 8:47 p.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
That does not sound good. I know originally Libra Office and Open
Office and the Symphony office suite were all written in Java, but
much of them now have embeded accessibility, but did wonder if Java
was installed if that might help some parts not accessible out of the
box.
I'd really like another choice than Microsoft Office as they are
pushing people toward toe online product where you have to keep
paying to to get it up todate.
Has read all been sorted in Libra Office yet, ie can nvda see that
there is more text to read after a larrge break outside of a page you
are in?
Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2017 12:36 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading footnotes in LibreOffice with NVDA


i heard that footnotes are completely inaccessible.
but i sent one version of libreoffice for someone to test.
he uses jaws and told me that jaws and libreoffice are not compatible
with each other and installing libreoffice for me that i use jaws,
caused hang for my entire system!

On 7/8/17, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
<bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
I think maybe what needs to happen here though is that somebody
answers the

original question as to whether the footnotes in the Libra and Open
office
can be made accessible or not. Anyone know if Jaws does it? I'm
thinking
that since Microsoft seem to be drifting toward the rental market
model for

Office I'd like to make a statement that I do not like this way of
going
forward, so on the next upgrade I'd ditch Word altogether.
Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2017 5:42 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading footnotes in LibreOffice with NVDA


hello again.
previous versions of microsoft office need odt 1.0-1.1
if you need to support recent versions of odt format, you need to have
microsoft office 2013.

On 7/8/17, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:
Sylvie,

If I may ask, what version of MS Office are you using? Since at
least Office 2010 MS-Word is able to open and save in ODT format. If
you've
got a recent version of Office you should be able to edit and save ODT
files
in their native ODT format without using Libre Office at all.
--
Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1703, Build 15063 (dot
level on
request - it changes too often to keep in signature)

* * *The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement.* * But
the opposite of a profound truth may well be another* * profound
truth.*

* ~ * *Niels Bohr*
--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org






--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org




.



 

i remembered from its copyright that i downloaded one version in three
years ago and it was not accessible for me.
i dont know about the newer versions and also paid version.
i tried free version which was less than 60 mb in that year.
hope that it became accessible until now and someone explaned about
its usage and accessibility.

On 7/9/17, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@gmail.com> wrote:
Please reply if it works.

I may concidder it later on if it is.

Jarte works well but if I need to switch to another office app, I don't
mind paying 80 dollars for full office.




On 9/07/2017 11:54 p.m., nasrin khaksar wrote:
i remember that one time i tried one office program which was
completely inaccessible.
i am not sure about its name whether wps office suite or other program.
but if it was wps, it was free version of it.
i dont know there website.
could you please send me to check?

On 7/9/17, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@gmail.com> wrote:
ms office aint that bad I am going to shift my aunt who was in business
into using it as she has worked with it at work.

I'd dearly like her to use free office and software but she is spending
on a laptop, and will get office.

Has anyone tried wps office at all?

Its free and bar a watermark on printed files is fine.

Now its 30 a year and maybe cheaper per month I forget but you can
subscribe a pc and some mobile devices to it.

Or if on pc is all you will use it on its 80 dollars for a lifetime pc
licence.

As long as that pc is fine then you don't have an issue.

I think unless you get a key and just install it on another pc
afterward.

Thats cheaper than office but has anyone used this.

She has an ios and an android device and since she is cloud based,
linking her cloud to her computer with ms apps is not a bad thing I
guess since she has a 3 device chain.

The only people that don't are those on single devices like myself.




On 9/07/2017 8:47 p.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
That does not sound good. I know originally Libra Office and Open
Office and the Symphony office suite were all written in Java, but
much of them now have embeded accessibility, but did wonder if Java
was installed if that might help some parts not accessible out of the
box.
I'd really like another choice than Microsoft Office as they are
pushing people toward toe online product where you have to keep
paying to to get it up todate.
Has read all been sorted in Libra Office yet, ie can nvda see that
there is more text to read after a larrge break outside of a page you
are in?
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "nasrin khaksar"
<nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2017 12:36 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading footnotes in LibreOffice with NVDA


i heard that footnotes are completely inaccessible.
but i sent one version of libreoffice for someone to test.
he uses jaws and told me that jaws and libreoffice are not compatible
with each other and installing libreoffice for me that i use jaws,
caused hang for my entire system!

On 7/8/17, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
<bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
I think maybe what needs to happen here though is that somebody
answers the

original question as to whether the footnotes in the Libra and Open
office
can be made accessible or not. Anyone know if Jaws does it? I'm
thinking
that since Microsoft seem to be drifting toward the rental market
model for

Office I'd like to make a statement that I do not like this way of
going
forward, so on the next upgrade I'd ditch Word altogether.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "nasrin khaksar" <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2017 5:42 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading footnotes in LibreOffice with NVDA


hello again.
previous versions of microsoft office need odt 1.0-1.1
if you need to support recent versions of odt format, you need to
have
microsoft office 2013.

On 7/8/17, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:
Sylvie,

If I may ask, what version of MS Office are you using? Since at
least Office 2010 MS-Word is able to open and save in ODT format. If
you've
got a recent version of Office you should be able to edit and save
ODT
files
in their native ODT format without using Libre Office at all.
--
Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1703, Build 15063 (dot
level on
request - it changes too often to keep in signature)

* * *The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement.* *
But
the opposite of a profound truth may well be another* * profound
truth.*

* ~ * *Niels Bohr*
--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org






--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org




.





--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


 

i also sent email for them and i am waiting for they reply.

On 7/9/17, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com> wrote:
i remembered from its copyright that i downloaded one version in three
years ago and it was not accessible for me.
i dont know about the newer versions and also paid version.
i tried free version which was less than 60 mb in that year.
hope that it became accessible until now and someone explaned about
its usage and accessibility.

On 7/9/17, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@gmail.com> wrote:
Please reply if it works.

I may concidder it later on if it is.

Jarte works well but if I need to switch to another office app, I don't
mind paying 80 dollars for full office.




On 9/07/2017 11:54 p.m., nasrin khaksar wrote:
i remember that one time i tried one office program which was
completely inaccessible.
i am not sure about its name whether wps office suite or other program.
but if it was wps, it was free version of it.
i dont know there website.
could you please send me to check?

On 7/9/17, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@gmail.com> wrote:
ms office aint that bad I am going to shift my aunt who was in business
into using it as she has worked with it at work.

I'd dearly like her to use free office and software but she is spending
on a laptop, and will get office.

Has anyone tried wps office at all?

Its free and bar a watermark on printed files is fine.

Now its 30 a year and maybe cheaper per month I forget but you can
subscribe a pc and some mobile devices to it.

Or if on pc is all you will use it on its 80 dollars for a lifetime pc
licence.

As long as that pc is fine then you don't have an issue.

I think unless you get a key and just install it on another pc
afterward.

Thats cheaper than office but has anyone used this.

She has an ios and an android device and since she is cloud based,
linking her cloud to her computer with ms apps is not a bad thing I
guess since she has a 3 device chain.

The only people that don't are those on single devices like myself.




On 9/07/2017 8:47 p.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
That does not sound good. I know originally Libra Office and Open
Office and the Symphony office suite were all written in Java, but
much of them now have embeded accessibility, but did wonder if Java
was installed if that might help some parts not accessible out of the
box.
I'd really like another choice than Microsoft Office as they are
pushing people toward toe online product where you have to keep
paying to to get it up todate.
Has read all been sorted in Libra Office yet, ie can nvda see that
there is more text to read after a larrge break outside of a page you
are in?
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "nasrin khaksar"
<nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2017 12:36 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading footnotes in LibreOffice with NVDA


i heard that footnotes are completely inaccessible.
but i sent one version of libreoffice for someone to test.
he uses jaws and told me that jaws and libreoffice are not compatible
with each other and installing libreoffice for me that i use jaws,
caused hang for my entire system!

On 7/8/17, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
<bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
I think maybe what needs to happen here though is that somebody
answers the

original question as to whether the footnotes in the Libra and Open
office
can be made accessible or not. Anyone know if Jaws does it? I'm
thinking
that since Microsoft seem to be drifting toward the rental market
model for

Office I'd like to make a statement that I do not like this way of
going
forward, so on the next upgrade I'd ditch Word altogether.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "nasrin khaksar" <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2017 5:42 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading footnotes in LibreOffice with NVDA


hello again.
previous versions of microsoft office need odt 1.0-1.1
if you need to support recent versions of odt format, you need to
have
microsoft office 2013.

On 7/8/17, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:
Sylvie,

If I may ask, what version of MS Office are you using? Since at
least Office 2010 MS-Word is able to open and save in ODT format.
If
you've
got a recent version of Office you should be able to edit and save
ODT
files
in their native ODT format without using Libre Office at all.
--
Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1703, Build 15063 (dot
level on
request - it changes too often to keep in signature)

* * *The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement.* *
But
the opposite of a profound truth may well be another* * profound
truth.*

* ~ * *Niels Bohr*
--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org






--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org




.






--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org



--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


Jason White
 

Serious accessibility issues have recently been reported in LibreOffice under Linux (see the archives of the Orca mailing list for details). I don't know how their Windows accessibility stands at the moment. Microsoft Word is the only word processor that I have tried in which features such as change tracking and comments are accessible to screen reader users. Apple's Pages is improving in this area and it may become an alternative for those who use a Mac. Google Docs may also be an alternative for some users. I haven't performed a detailed feature comparison, but the reviews which I have read indicate that Microsoft Office is still well ahead of the functionality available in Google's G-Suite or Apple's iWorks. LibreOffice is closer in regard to features, while also having the advantage of being free and open-source software, but its accessibility has considerable room for improvement (based both on what I've read and what I've experienced).

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of nasrin khaksar
Sent: Sunday, July 9, 2017 8:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading footnotes in LibreOffice with NVDA

i also sent email for them and i am waiting for they reply.

On 7/9/17, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com> wrote:
i remembered from its copyright that i downloaded one version in three
years ago and it was not accessible for me.
i dont know about the newer versions and also paid version.
i tried free version which was less than 60 mb in that year.
hope that it became accessible until now and someone explaned about
its usage and accessibility.

On 7/9/17, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@gmail.com> wrote:
Please reply if it works.

I may concidder it later on if it is.

Jarte works well but if I need to switch to another office app, I
don't mind paying 80 dollars for full office.




On 9/07/2017 11:54 p.m., nasrin khaksar wrote:
i remember that one time i tried one office program which was
completely inaccessible.
i am not sure about its name whether wps office suite or other program.
but if it was wps, it was free version of it.
i dont know there website.
could you please send me to check?

On 7/9/17, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@gmail.com> wrote:
ms office aint that bad I am going to shift my aunt who was in
business into using it as she has worked with it at work.

I'd dearly like her to use free office and software but she is
spending on a laptop, and will get office.

Has anyone tried wps office at all?

Its free and bar a watermark on printed files is fine.

Now its 30 a year and maybe cheaper per month I forget but you can
subscribe a pc and some mobile devices to it.

Or if on pc is all you will use it on its 80 dollars for a lifetime
pc licence.

As long as that pc is fine then you don't have an issue.

I think unless you get a key and just install it on another pc
afterward.

Thats cheaper than office but has anyone used this.

She has an ios and an android device and since she is cloud based,
linking her cloud to her computer with ms apps is not a bad thing I
guess since she has a 3 device chain.

The only people that don't are those on single devices like myself.




On 9/07/2017 8:47 p.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
That does not sound good. I know originally Libra Office and Open
Office and the Symphony office suite were all written in Java, but
much of them now have embeded accessibility, but did wonder if
Java was installed if that might help some parts not accessible
out of the box.
I'd really like another choice than Microsoft Office as they are
pushing people toward toe online product where you have to keep
paying to to get it up todate.
Has read all been sorted in Libra Office yet, ie can nvda see that
there is more text to read after a larrge break outside of a page
you are in?
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "nasrin khaksar"
<nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2017 12:36 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading footnotes in LibreOffice with NVDA


i heard that footnotes are completely inaccessible.
but i sent one version of libreoffice for someone to test.
he uses jaws and told me that jaws and libreoffice are not
compatible with each other and installing libreoffice for me that
i use jaws, caused hang for my entire system!

On 7/8/17, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
<bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
I think maybe what needs to happen here though is that somebody
answers the

original question as to whether the footnotes in the Libra and
Open office can be made accessible or not. Anyone know if Jaws
does it? I'm thinking that since Microsoft seem to be drifting
toward the rental market model for

Office I'd like to make a statement that I do not like this way
of going forward, so on the next upgrade I'd ditch Word
altogether.
Brian

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From: "nasrin khaksar" <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2017 5:42 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading footnotes in LibreOffice with NVDA


hello again.
previous versions of microsoft office need odt 1.0-1.1 if you
need to support recent versions of odt format, you need to have
microsoft office 2013.

On 7/8/17, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:
Sylvie,

If I may ask, what version of MS Office are you using? Since at
least Office 2010 MS-Word is able to open and save in ODT format.
If
you've
got a recent version of Office you should be able to edit and
save ODT files in their native ODT format without using Libre
Office at all.
--
Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1703, Build 15063 (dot
level on request - it changes too often to keep in signature)

* * *The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement.*
* But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another* *
profound
truth.*

* ~ * *Niels Bohr*
--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org






--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org




.






--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org




--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages al-islam.org


 

Well the good news is that if word and excell are all you need the home/student version is ok its 140 dollars in new zealand.

If you need outlook and powerpoint and a few extras thats uping it to 350, even then thats only 200 bucks more for 99% of office.

With sway, todo, lens and onenote freeware, you are basically having to pay in pro version of office access and publisher which to my knowledge not many consumers use at all.

Saying that if you do work in a company situation I'd high recomend seeing if you can get in the home use program thats 30 dollars per office.

Not that its worth much but you get the pro+ which is the enterprise version of office.

Yes you can buy pro plus for 10 bucks on ebay but weather you want to risk piracy prison is your business.

On 10/07/2017 3:56 a.m., Jason White via Groups.Io wrote:
Serious accessibility issues have recently been reported in LibreOffice under Linux (see the archives of the Orca mailing list for details). I don't know how their Windows accessibility stands at the moment. Microsoft Word is the only word processor that I have tried in which features such as change tracking and comments are accessible to screen reader users. Apple's Pages is improving in this area and it may become an alternative for those who use a Mac. Google Docs may also be an alternative for some users. I haven't performed a detailed feature comparison, but the reviews which I have read indicate that Microsoft Office is still well ahead of the functionality available in Google's G-Suite or Apple's iWorks. LibreOffice is closer in regard to features, while also having the advantage of being free and open-source software, but its accessibility has considerable room for improvement (based both on what I've read and what I've experienced).

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of nasrin khaksar
Sent: Sunday, July 9, 2017 8:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading footnotes in LibreOffice with NVDA

i also sent email for them and i am waiting for they reply.

On 7/9/17, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com> wrote:
i remembered from its copyright that i downloaded one version in three
years ago and it was not accessible for me.
i dont know about the newer versions and also paid version.
i tried free version which was less than 60 mb in that year.
hope that it became accessible until now and someone explaned about
its usage and accessibility.

On 7/9/17, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@gmail.com> wrote:
Please reply if it works.

I may concidder it later on if it is.

Jarte works well but if I need to switch to another office app, I
don't mind paying 80 dollars for full office.




On 9/07/2017 11:54 p.m., nasrin khaksar wrote:
i remember that one time i tried one office program which was
completely inaccessible.
i am not sure about its name whether wps office suite or other program.
but if it was wps, it was free version of it.
i dont know there website.
could you please send me to check?

On 7/9/17, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@gmail.com> wrote:
ms office aint that bad I am going to shift my aunt who was in
business into using it as she has worked with it at work.

I'd dearly like her to use free office and software but she is
spending on a laptop, and will get office.

Has anyone tried wps office at all?

Its free and bar a watermark on printed files is fine.

Now its 30 a year and maybe cheaper per month I forget but you can
subscribe a pc and some mobile devices to it.

Or if on pc is all you will use it on its 80 dollars for a lifetime
pc licence.

As long as that pc is fine then you don't have an issue.

I think unless you get a key and just install it on another pc
afterward.

Thats cheaper than office but has anyone used this.

She has an ios and an android device and since she is cloud based,
linking her cloud to her computer with ms apps is not a bad thing I
guess since she has a 3 device chain.

The only people that don't are those on single devices like myself.




On 9/07/2017 8:47 p.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
That does not sound good. I know originally Libra Office and Open
Office and the Symphony office suite were all written in Java, but
much of them now have embeded accessibility, but did wonder if
Java was installed if that might help some parts not accessible
out of the box.
I'd really like another choice than Microsoft Office as they are
pushing people toward toe online product where you have to keep
paying to to get it up todate.
Has read all been sorted in Libra Office yet, ie can nvda see that
there is more text to read after a larrge break outside of a page
you are in?
Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2017 12:36 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading footnotes in LibreOffice with NVDA


i heard that footnotes are completely inaccessible.
but i sent one version of libreoffice for someone to test.
he uses jaws and told me that jaws and libreoffice are not
compatible with each other and installing libreoffice for me that
i use jaws, caused hang for my entire system!

On 7/8/17, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
<bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
I think maybe what needs to happen here though is that somebody
answers the

original question as to whether the footnotes in the Libra and
Open office can be made accessible or not. Anyone know if Jaws
does it? I'm thinking that since Microsoft seem to be drifting
toward the rental market model for

Office I'd like to make a statement that I do not like this way
of going forward, so on the next upgrade I'd ditch Word
altogether.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "nasrin khaksar" <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2017 5:42 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading footnotes in LibreOffice with NVDA


hello again.
previous versions of microsoft office need odt 1.0-1.1 if you
need to support recent versions of odt format, you need to have
microsoft office 2013.

On 7/8/17, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:
Sylvie,

If I may ask, what version of MS Office are you using? Since at
least Office 2010 MS-Word is able to open and save in ODT format.
If
you've
got a recent version of Office you should be able to edit and
save ODT files in their native ODT format without using Libre
Office at all.
--
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level on request - it changes too often to keep in signature)

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* But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another* *
profound
truth.*

* ~ * *Niels Bohr*
--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
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in the very authentic narration is:
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we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
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al-islam.org



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we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages al-islam.org







Sylvie Duchateau
 

Hello Brian and all,

Coming back to the original question, I use MS Office 2013.

But as I had to edit the document, I did not want to do it in MS word because I experienced that formatting is sometimes lost.

Thank you anyway.

Best

Sylvie

Le 07/07/2017 à 23:14, Brian Vogel a écrit :

Sylvie,

         If I may ask, what version of MS Office are you using?   Since at least Office 2010 MS-Word is able to open and save in ODT format.  If you've got a recent version of Office you should be able to edit and save ODT files in their native ODT format without using Libre Office at all.
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     The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement.  But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth.

            Niels Bohr

 

 



 

hello again/
is there any version of microsoft completely freeware?
i have many issues regarding accessibility of libreoffice specially in
version 5.3.
for me who only use screen review for inaccessible and dialogs in the
program, nvda says all of one message in the dialog like one combine
word, unclear and impossible to understand.
could you please someone help me?

On 7/10/17, Sylvie Duchateau <sduchateau@access42.net> wrote:
Hello Brian and all,

Coming back to the original question, I use MS Office 2013.

But as I had to edit the document, I did not want to do it in MS word
because I experienced that formatting is sometimes lost.

Thank you anyway.

Best

Sylvie

Le 07/07/2017 à 23:14, Brian Vogel a écrit :

Sylvie,

If I may ask, what version of MS Office are you using? Since
at least Office 2010 MS-Word is able to open and save in ODT format.
If you've got a recent version of Office you should be able to edit
and save ODT files in their native ODT format without using Libre
Office at all.
--
/Brian/- Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1703, Build 15063 (dot
level on request - it changes too often to keep in signature)

*//**/The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement./**/But
the opposite of a profound truth may well be another/**/ profound
truth./*

*/~ /**/Niels Bohr/*

--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


Rosemarie Chavarria
 

There is no free version of microsoft products. You have to buy them.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of nasrin khaksar
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2017 1:50 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading footnotes in LibreOffice with NVDA

hello again/
is there any version of microsoft completely freeware?
i have many issues regarding accessibility of libreoffice specially in version 5.3.
for me who only use screen review for inaccessible and dialogs in the program, nvda says all of one message in the dialog like one combine word, unclear and impossible to understand.
could you please someone help me?

On 7/10/17, Sylvie Duchateau <sduchateau@access42.net> wrote:
Hello Brian and all,

Coming back to the original question, I use MS Office 2013.

But as I had to edit the document, I did not want to do it in MS word
because I experienced that formatting is sometimes lost.

Thank you anyway.

Best

Sylvie

Le 07/07/2017 à 23:14, Brian Vogel a écrit :

Sylvie,

If I may ask, what version of MS Office are you using? Since
at least Office 2010 MS-Word is able to open and save in ODT format.
If you've got a recent version of Office you should be able to edit
and save ODT files in their native ODT format without using Libre
Office at all.
--
/Brian/- Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1703, Build 15063 (dot
level on request - it changes too often to keep in signature)

*//**/The opposite of a correct statement is a false
statement./**/But the opposite of a profound truth may well be
another/**/ profound
truth./*

*/~ /**/Niels Bohr/*


--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages al-islam.org


 

Well if you are or know someone in an business you technically don't its technically alegal to actually do this but if you know someone that has access to the required rights then well you can pay vary little.

On 11/07/2017 8:24 a.m., Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
There is no free version of microsoft products. You have to buy them.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of nasrin khaksar
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2017 1:50 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading footnotes in LibreOffice with NVDA

hello again/
is there any version of microsoft completely freeware?
i have many issues regarding accessibility of libreoffice specially in version 5.3.
for me who only use screen review for inaccessible and dialogs in the program, nvda says all of one message in the dialog like one combine word, unclear and impossible to understand.
could you please someone help me?

On 7/10/17, Sylvie Duchateau <sduchateau@access42.net> wrote:
Hello Brian and all,

Coming back to the original question, I use MS Office 2013.

But as I had to edit the document, I did not want to do it in MS word
because I experienced that formatting is sometimes lost.

Thank you anyway.

Best

Sylvie

Le 07/07/2017 à 23:14, Brian Vogel a écrit :

Sylvie,

If I may ask, what version of MS Office are you using? Since
at least Office 2010 MS-Word is able to open and save in ODT format.
If you've got a recent version of Office you should be able to edit
and save ODT files in their native ODT format without using Libre
Office at all.
--
/Brian/- Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1703, Build 15063 (dot
level on request - it changes too often to keep in signature)

*//**/The opposite of a correct statement is a false
statement./**/But the opposite of a profound truth may well be
another/**/ profound
truth./*

*/~ /**/Niels Bohr/*

--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages al-islam.org