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George McCoy <slr1bpz@...>
 

Is there a pdf reader other than Adobe Reader that works with NVDA?  I need one that preserves the document format including indentions.
Visual inspection of the documents in Adobe Reader reveals that they contain indented lines but NVDA says that all lines are at the left margin.
I converted the document to various formats with three different converters and in no case does the output show indented lines.
 
Thanks very much,
George


John Hedges
 

I use Edge pdf view. It works with accessible files. This is part of Windows 10 latest release.

 

Files generated by Office365 2016 work as accessible pdf.

 

John

 

From: George McCoy
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 4:33 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] .pdf readers

 

Is there a pdf reader other than Adobe Reader that works with NVDA?  I need one that preserves the document format including indentions.
Visual inspection of the documents in Adobe Reader reveals that they contain indented lines but NVDA says that all lines are at the left margin.
I converted the document to various formats with three different converters and in no case does the output show indented lines.
 
Thanks very much,
George


 

there are only 3 solutions well 4 really that are worth mentioning 5 if you count online.

1. adobe reader that can save to html and or text so in theory it should work.

2. balabolka, or edsharp both should be able to read pdfs as text like files.

3. pdf2txt, should be able to ripp files to bits even encripted files though what you get back is unknown.

4. abbyy fine reader, never got this to work accessibly but it can read so can omnipage, k1000, etc most ocr packagers.

5. google, while technically not a solution you can email the pdf to yourself, convert to html and save the results.

6, some epub readers can read pdf and edge can though never try it.

Firefox and chrome may to but as I said never tried it.

There is also foxit but it never worked for me.

On 21/07/2017 8:33 a.m., George McCoy wrote:
Is there a pdf reader other than Adobe Reader that works with NVDA? I need one that preserves the document format including indentions.
Visual inspection of the documents in Adobe Reader reveals that they contain indented lines but NVDA says that all lines are at the left margin.
I converted the document to various formats with three different converters and in no case does the output show indented lines.

Thanks very much,
George


Gene
 

OCR programs like Openbook or Omnipage don't present PDF files in their original form.  They recognize them as you would a page of text.  It is an OCR recognition and isn't and won't be considered to be the original document.  Plus, it will almost certainly have some recognition errors.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 3:59 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] .pdf readers

there are only 3 solutions well 4 really that are worth mentioning 5 if
you count online.

1.  adobe reader that can save to html and or text so in theory it
should work.

2.  balabolka, or edsharp both should be able to read pdfs as text like
files.

3.  pdf2txt, should be able to ripp files to bits even encripted files
though what you get back is unknown.

4.  abbyy fine reader, never got this to work accessibly but it can read
so can omnipage, k1000, etc most ocr packagers.

5.  google, while technically not a solution you can email the pdf to
yourself, convert to html and save the results.

6, some epub readers can read pdf and edge can though never try it.

Firefox and chrome may to but as I said never tried it.

There is also foxit but it never worked for me.




On 21/07/2017 8:33 a.m., George McCoy wrote:
> Is there a pdf reader other than Adobe Reader that works with NVDA?  I need one that preserves the document format including indentions.
> Visual inspection of the documents in Adobe Reader reveals that they contain indented lines but NVDA says that all lines are at the left margin.
> I converted the document to various formats with three different converters and in no case does the output show indented lines.
>
> Thanks very much,
> George
>




David Moore
 

Hi all!

I just want you to know, that I use Edge with NVDA to read PDF’s a lot, and Edge is better than even Adobe reader for reading PDF articles. Edge shows the entire article, and NVDA reads great. Once JAWS supports Edge, I believe that Edge will be a great solution for reading PDF’s. Any EPUB book can be read in Edge as well. So, Edge will be powerful once we have all of the accessibility for it.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 5:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] .pdf readers

 

OCR programs like Openbook or Omnipage don't present PDF files in their original form.  They recognize them as you would a page of text.  It is an OCR recognition and isn't and won't be considered to be the original document.  Plus, it will almost certainly have some recognition errors.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 3:59 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] .pdf readers

 

there are only 3 solutions well 4 really that are worth mentioning 5 if
you count online.

1.  adobe reader that can save to html and or text so in theory it
should work.

2.  balabolka, or edsharp both should be able to read pdfs as text like
files.

3.  pdf2txt, should be able to ripp files to bits even encripted files
though what you get back is unknown.

4.  abbyy fine reader, never got this to work accessibly but it can read
so can omnipage, k1000, etc most ocr packagers.

5.  google, while technically not a solution you can email the pdf to
yourself, convert to html and save the results.

6, some epub readers can read pdf and edge can though never try it.

Firefox and chrome may to but as I said never tried it.

There is also foxit but it never worked for me.




On 21/07/2017 8:33 a.m., George McCoy wrote:
> Is there a pdf reader other than Adobe Reader that works with NVDA?  I need one that preserves the document format including indentions.
> Visual inspection of the documents in Adobe Reader reveals that they contain indented lines but NVDA says that all lines are at the left margin.
> I converted the document to various formats with three different converters and in no case does the output show indented lines.
>
> Thanks very much,
> George
>


 


Jason White
 

Does it recognize the tags used (headings, lists, paragraphs, tables etc.) in tagged PDF documents?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 7:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] .pdf readers

 

Hi all!

I just want you to know, that I use Edge with NVDA to read PDF’s a lot, and Edge is better than even Adobe reader for reading PDF articles. Edge shows the entire article, and NVDA reads great. Once JAWS supports Edge, I believe that Edge will be a great solution for reading PDF’s. Any EPUB book can be read in Edge as well. So, Edge will be powerful once we have all of the accessibility for it.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 5:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] .pdf readers

 

OCR programs like Openbook or Omnipage don't present PDF files in their original form.  They recognize them as you would a page of text.  It is an OCR recognition and isn't and won't be considered to be the original document.  Plus, it will almost certainly have some recognition errors.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 3:59 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] .pdf readers

 

there are only 3 solutions well 4 really that are worth mentioning 5 if
you count online.

1.  adobe reader that can save to html and or text so in theory it
should work.

2.  balabolka, or edsharp both should be able to read pdfs as text like
files.

3.  pdf2txt, should be able to ripp files to bits even encripted files
though what you get back is unknown.

4.  abbyy fine reader, never got this to work accessibly but it can read
so can omnipage, k1000, etc most ocr packagers.

5.  google, while technically not a solution you can email the pdf to
yourself, convert to html and save the results.

6, some epub readers can read pdf and edge can though never try it.

Firefox and chrome may to but as I said never tried it.

There is also foxit but it never worked for me.




On 21/07/2017 8:33 a.m., George McCoy wrote:
> Is there a pdf reader other than Adobe Reader that works with NVDA?  I need one that preserves the document format including indentions.
> Visual inspection of the documents in Adobe Reader reveals that they contain indented lines but NVDA says that all lines are at the left margin.
> I converted the document to various formats with three different converters and in no case does the output show indented lines.
>
> Thanks very much,
> George
>

 


David Moore
 

It sure does!

That is the great part!

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Jason White via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 7:29 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] .pdf readers

 

Does it recognize the tags used (headings, lists, paragraphs, tables etc.) in tagged PDF documents?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 7:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] .pdf readers

 

Hi all!

I just want you to know, that I use Edge with NVDA to read PDF’s a lot, and Edge is better than even Adobe reader for reading PDF articles. Edge shows the entire article, and NVDA reads great. Once JAWS supports Edge, I believe that Edge will be a great solution for reading PDF’s. Any EPUB book can be read in Edge as well. So, Edge will be powerful once we have all of the accessibility for it.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 5:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] .pdf readers

 

OCR programs like Openbook or Omnipage don't present PDF files in their original form.  They recognize them as you would a page of text.  It is an OCR recognition and isn't and won't be considered to be the original document.  Plus, it will almost certainly have some recognition errors.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 3:59 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] .pdf readers

 

there are only 3 solutions well 4 really that are worth mentioning 5 if
you count online.

1.  adobe reader that can save to html and or text so in theory it
should work.

2.  balabolka, or edsharp both should be able to read pdfs as text like
files.

3.  pdf2txt, should be able to ripp files to bits even encripted files
though what you get back is unknown.

4.  abbyy fine reader, never got this to work accessibly but it can read
so can omnipage, k1000, etc most ocr packagers.

5.  google, while technically not a solution you can email the pdf to
yourself, convert to html and save the results.

6, some epub readers can read pdf and edge can though never try it.

Firefox and chrome may to but as I said never tried it.

There is also foxit but it never worked for me.




On 21/07/2017 8:33 a.m., George McCoy wrote:
> Is there a pdf reader other than Adobe Reader that works with NVDA?  I need one that preserves the document format including indentions.
> Visual inspection of the documents in Adobe Reader reveals that they contain indented lines but NVDA says that all lines are at the left margin.
> I converted the document to various formats with three different converters and in no case does the output show indented lines.
>
> Thanks very much,
> George
>

 

 


Jason White
 

Excellent, thanks. In my work environment, I find that the best way to read PDF files is often to use ABBYY FineReader 12 Pro to convert them to another format (e.g., Microsoft Words). Where the files contain only images of text, of course, this is necessary, but it’s even useful in circumstances in which there’s actual text in the PDF file, but Adobe Reader has problems with it.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 7:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] .pdf readers

 

It sure does!

That is the great part!

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Jason White via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 7:29 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] .pdf readers

 

Does it recognize the tags used (headings, lists, paragraphs, tables etc.) in tagged PDF documents?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 7:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] .pdf readers

 

Hi all!

I just want you to know, that I use Edge with NVDA to read PDF’s a lot, and Edge is better than even Adobe reader for reading PDF articles. Edge shows the entire article, and NVDA reads great. Once JAWS supports Edge, I believe that Edge will be a great solution for reading PDF’s. Any EPUB book can be read in Edge as well. So, Edge will be powerful once we have all of the accessibility for it.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 5:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] .pdf readers

 

OCR programs like Openbook or Omnipage don't present PDF files in their original form.  They recognize them as you would a page of text.  It is an OCR recognition and isn't and won't be considered to be the original document.  Plus, it will almost certainly have some recognition errors.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 3:59 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] .pdf readers

 

there are only 3 solutions well 4 really that are worth mentioning 5 if
you count online.

1.  adobe reader that can save to html and or text so in theory it
should work.

2.  balabolka, or edsharp both should be able to read pdfs as text like
files.

3.  pdf2txt, should be able to ripp files to bits even encripted files
though what you get back is unknown.

4.  abbyy fine reader, never got this to work accessibly but it can read
so can omnipage, k1000, etc most ocr packagers.

5.  google, while technically not a solution you can email the pdf to
yourself, convert to html and save the results.

6, some epub readers can read pdf and edge can though never try it.

Firefox and chrome may to but as I said never tried it.

There is also foxit but it never worked for me.




On 21/07/2017 8:33 a.m., George McCoy wrote:
> Is there a pdf reader other than Adobe Reader that works with NVDA?  I need one that preserves the document format including indentions.
> Visual inspection of the documents in Adobe Reader reveals that they contain indented lines but NVDA says that all lines are at the left margin.
> I converted the document to various formats with three different converters and in no case does the output show indented lines.
>
> Thanks very much,
> George
>

 

 


 

hello.
if you want to read normal pdf files not scanned pdf and dont need
ocr, i prefer firefox.
i used it and it worked for me.
its a little difficult to explane how to use in english.
also for conversion pdf files in other formats, you can try chrome and
for converting in to txt or just reading, i recommend balabolka.
they are the only free solutions that i know except adobe reader.

On 7/21/17, Jason White via Groups.Io <jason=jasonjgw.net@groups.io> wrote:
Excellent, thanks. In my work environment, I find that the best way to read
PDF files is often to use ABBYY FineReader 12 Pro to convert them to another
format (e.g., Microsoft Words). Where the files contain only images of text,
of course, this is necessary, but it’s even useful in circumstances in which
there’s actual text in the PDF file, but Adobe Reader has problems with it.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David
Moore
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 7:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] .pdf readers



It sure does!

That is the great part!

David Moore

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From: Jason White via Groups.Io <mailto:jason=jasonjgw.net@groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 7:29 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] .pdf readers



Does it recognize the tags used (headings, lists, paragraphs, tables etc.)
in tagged PDF documents?



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 7:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] .pdf readers



Hi all!

I just want you to know, that I use Edge with NVDA to read PDF’s a lot, and
Edge is better than even Adobe reader for reading PDF articles. Edge shows
the entire article, and NVDA reads great. Once JAWS supports Edge, I believe
that Edge will be a great solution for reading PDF’s. Any EPUB book can be
read in Edge as well. So, Edge will be powerful once we have all of the
accessibility for it.

David Moore

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>; for Windows
10



From: Gene <mailto:gsasner@ripco.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 5:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] .pdf readers



OCR programs like Openbook or Omnipage don't present PDF files in their
original form. They recognize them as you would a page of text. It is an
OCR recognition and isn't and won't be considered to be the original
document. Plus, it will almost certainly have some recognition errors.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Shaun Everiss <mailto:sm.everiss@gmail.com>

Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 3:59 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Subject: Re: [nvda] .pdf readers



there are only 3 solutions well 4 really that are worth mentioning 5 if
you count online.

1. adobe reader that can save to html and or text so in theory it
should work.

2. balabolka, or edsharp both should be able to read pdfs as text like
files.

3. pdf2txt, should be able to ripp files to bits even encripted files
though what you get back is unknown.

4. abbyy fine reader, never got this to work accessibly but it can read
so can omnipage, k1000, etc most ocr packagers.

5. google, while technically not a solution you can email the pdf to
yourself, convert to html and save the results.

6, some epub readers can read pdf and edge can though never try it.

Firefox and chrome may to but as I said never tried it.

There is also foxit but it never worked for me.




On 21/07/2017 8:33 a.m., George McCoy wrote:
Is there a pdf reader other than Adobe Reader that works with NVDA? I
need one that preserves the document format including indentions.
Visual inspection of the documents in Adobe Reader reveals that they
contain indented lines but NVDA says that all lines are at the left
margin.
I converted the document to various formats with three different
converters and in no case does the output show indented lines.

Thanks very much,
George






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Unfortunately, as I have found many many times, if the document creator has not actually tagged the file for its changes in reading order or indentation to be spoken, then no amount of clever screenreading or extracting the text is going to fix it. I've most certainly downloaded BBC pdfs that have been extremely well tagged and the formatting is if anything over verbose if you interogate it.
I'm not sure why pdf creation software does not try to prompt the creator to tag them as a matter of course.
To show how bad they can be, here in the uk we have several train operators and I've yet to find any of their downloadable documents to read without scrambling up the columns. they just don't get it and say in their emails, well it looks ok on my screen.
Brian


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----- Original Message -----
From: "George McCoy" <slr1bpz@charter.net>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 9:33 PM
Subject: [nvda] .pdf readers


Is there a pdf reader other than Adobe Reader that works with NVDA? I need one that preserves the document format including indentions.
Visual inspection of the documents in Adobe Reader reveals that they contain indented lines but NVDA says that all lines are at the left margin.
I converted the document to various formats with three different converters and in no case does the output show indented lines.

Thanks very much,
George


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Yes but how would it be able to get around those pdfs that have no reading order or formatting tags which often seems to be the default of most people?
Are you saying in effect that edge is OCRing all pdfs to present the document?
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "David Moore" <jesusloves1966@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 12:23 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] .pdf readers


Hi all!
I just want you to know, that I use Edge with NVDA to read PDF’s a lot, and Edge is better than even Adobe reader for reading PDF articles. Edge shows the entire article, and NVDA reads great. Once JAWS supports Edge, I believe that Edge will be a great solution for reading PDF’s. Any EPUB book can be read in Edge as well. So, Edge will be powerful once we have all of the accessibility for it.
David Moore
Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 5:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] .pdf readers

OCR programs like Openbook or Omnipage don't present PDF files in their original form. They recognize them as you would a page of text. It is an OCR recognition and isn't and won't be considered to be the original document. Plus, it will almost certainly have some recognition errors.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 3:59 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] .pdf readers

there are only 3 solutions well 4 really that are worth mentioning 5 if
you count online.

1. adobe reader that can save to html and or text so in theory it
should work.

2. balabolka, or edsharp both should be able to read pdfs as text like
files.

3. pdf2txt, should be able to ripp files to bits even encripted files
though what you get back is unknown.

4. abbyy fine reader, never got this to work accessibly but it can read
so can omnipage, k1000, etc most ocr packagers.

5. google, while technically not a solution you can email the pdf to
yourself, convert to html and save the results.

6, some epub readers can read pdf and edge can though never try it.

Firefox and chrome may to but as I said never tried it.

There is also foxit but it never worked for me.




On 21/07/2017 8:33 a.m., George McCoy wrote:
Is there a pdf reader other than Adobe Reader that works with NVDA? I need one that preserves the document format including indentions.
Visual inspection of the documents in Adobe Reader reveals that they contain indented lines but NVDA says that all lines are at the left margin.
I converted the document to various formats with three different converters and in no case does the output show indented lines.

Thanks very much,
George


David Moore
 

Hi Brian,

That is a great question. I will experiment with reading those kinds of PDF’s with Edge to see how all kinds of PDF’s read with Edge!.

Let as many of us, who can, try doing this, and report our findings.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 4:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] .pdf readers

 

Yes but how would it be able to get around those pdfs that have no reading

order or formatting tags which often seems to be the default of most people?

Are you saying in effect that edge is OCRing all pdfs to present the

document?

Brian

 

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----- Original Message -----

From: "David Moore" <jesusloves1966@...>

To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 12:23 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] .pdf readers

 

 

Hi all!

I just want you to know, that I use Edge with NVDA to read PDF’s a lot, and

Edge is better than even Adobe reader for reading PDF articles. Edge shows

the entire article, and NVDA reads great. Once JAWS supports Edge, I believe

that Edge will be a great solution for reading PDF’s. Any EPUB book can be

read in Edge as well. So, Edge will be powerful once we have all of the

accessibility for it.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gene

Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 5:54 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] .pdf readers

 

OCR programs like Openbook or Omnipage don't present PDF files in their

original form. They recognize them as you would a page of text. It is an OCR

recognition and isn't and won't be considered to be the original document.

Plus, it will almost certainly have some recognition errors.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Shaun Everiss

Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 3:59 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] .pdf readers

 

there are only 3 solutions well 4 really that are worth mentioning 5 if

you count online.

 

1. adobe reader that can save to html and or text so in theory it

should work.

 

2. balabolka, or edsharp both should be able to read pdfs as text like

files.

 

3. pdf2txt, should be able to ripp files to bits even encripted files

though what you get back is unknown.

 

4. abbyy fine reader, never got this to work accessibly but it can read

so can omnipage, k1000, etc most ocr packagers.

 

5. google, while technically not a solution you can email the pdf to

yourself, convert to html and save the results.

 

6, some epub readers can read pdf and edge can though never try it.

 

Firefox and chrome may to but as I said never tried it.

 

There is also foxit but it never worked for me.

 

 

 

 

On 21/07/2017 8:33 a.m., George McCoy wrote:

> Is there a pdf reader other than Adobe Reader that works with NVDA? I need

> one that preserves the document format including indentions.

> Visual inspection of the documents in Adobe Reader reveals that they

> contain indented lines but NVDA says that all lines are at the left

> margin.

> I converted the document to various formats with three different

> converters and in no case does the output show indented lines.

> Thanks very much,

> George

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


George McCoy <slr1bpz@...>
 

Thanks very much for the great suggestions, everydody.  I’ll check them all out and see if any of them eet my needs.
 
Georgwe
 

Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 3:33 PM
Subject: [nvda] .pdf readers
 
Is there a pdf reader other than Adobe Reader that works with NVDA?  I need one that preserves the document format including indentions.
Visual inspection of the documents in Adobe Reader reveals that they contain indented lines but NVDA says that all lines are at the left margin.
I converted the document to various formats with three different converters and in no case does the output show indented lines.
 
Thanks very much,
George


john s
 

George, I think QRead reads pdf files but I don't know about preserving formats.


At 10:04 PM 7/21/2017, you wrote:
Thanks very much for the great suggestions, everydody.  I’ll check them all out and see if any of them eet my needs.
 
Georgwe
 
From: George McCoy
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 3:33 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] .pdf readers
 
Is there a pdf reader other than Adobe Reader that works with NVDA?  I need one that preserves the document format including indentions.
Visual inspection of the documents in Adobe Reader reveals that they contain indented lines but NVDA says that all lines are at the left margin.
I converted the document to various formats with three different converters and in no case does the output show indented lines.
 
Thanks very much,
George

                 John


Jacques <lists4js@...>
 

Hi, although QRead is a neat little program, it does not retain format, quite to the contrary. If you need a application that will read a PDF which is not image-based, and format is not an issue, QRead works very well though. I've seen Tweets suggesting that a future release of QRead will be able to do OCR on image-based PDF's, but no indication on when that will be available. Based on what I currently have installed, the best way to get access to correctly formatted PDF's, especially those which are image-based, Fine Reader does the best job. As previously mentioned on the list, KNFB Reader for Windows is quick and pretty accurate, but it makes an absolute mess of the format.

On 22/07/2017 13:57, john s wrote:
George, I think QRead reads pdf files but I don't know about preserving formats.
At 10:04 PM 7/21/2017, you wrote:
Thanks very much for the great suggestions, everydody. I’ll check them all out and see if any of them eet my needs.

Georgwe

*From:* George McCoy <mailto:slr1bpz@charter.net>
*Sent:* Thursday, July 20, 2017 3:33 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* [nvda] .pdf readers

Is there a pdf reader other than Adobe Reader that works with NVDA? I need one that preserves the document format including indentions.
Visual inspection of the documents in Adobe Reader reveals that they contain indented lines but NVDA says that all lines are at the left margin.
I converted the document to various formats with three different converters and in no case does the output show indented lines.

Thanks very much,
George

John


Gene
 

No OCR recognized PDF document is the original document.  Whether this matters depending on what you are doing is a different question, but for legal purposes, the OCR document is not the actual document and if you are sharing the document with others for colaborative work, it isn't the original document either. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Jacques
Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2017 7:39 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] .pdf readers

Hi, although QRead is a neat little program, it does not retain format,
quite to the contrary. If you need a application that will read a PDF
which is not image-based, and format is not an issue, QRead works very
well though. I've seen Tweets suggesting that a future release of QRead
will be able to do OCR on image-based PDF's, but no indication on when
that will be available. Based on what I currently have installed, the
best way to get access to correctly formatted PDF's, especially those
which are image-based, Fine Reader does the best job. As previously
mentioned on the list, KNFB Reader for Windows is quick and pretty
accurate, but it makes an absolute mess of the format.

On 22/07/2017 13:57, john s wrote:
> George, I think QRead reads pdf files but I don't know about preserving
> formats.
>
> At 10:04 PM 7/21/2017, you wrote:
>> Thanks very much for the great suggestions, everydody.  I’ll check
>> them all out and see if any of them eet my needs.
>>
>> Georgwe
>>
>> *From:* George McCoy <mailto:slr1bpz@...>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, July 20, 2017 3:33 PM
>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> *Subject:* [nvda] .pdf readers
>>
>> Is there a pdf reader other than Adobe Reader that works with NVDA? I
>> need one that preserves the document format including indentions.
>> Visual inspection of the documents in Adobe Reader reveals that they
>> contain indented lines but NVDA says that all lines are at the left
>> margin.
>> I converted the document to various formats with three different
>> converters and in no case does the output show indented lines.
>>
>> Thanks very much,
>> George
>>
>> John
>>
>>