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Gene
No OCR recognized PDF document is the original
document. Whether this matters depending on what you are doing is a
different question, but for legal purposes, the OCR document is not the actual
document and if you are sharing the document with others for colaborative work,
it isn't the original document either.
Gene ----- Original Message -----
quite to the contrary. If you need a application that will read a PDF which is not image-based, and format is not an issue, QRead works very well though. I've seen Tweets suggesting that a future release of QRead will be able to do OCR on image-based PDF's, but no indication on when that will be available. Based on what I currently have installed, the best way to get access to correctly formatted PDF's, especially those which are image-based, Fine Reader does the best job. As previously mentioned on the list, KNFB Reader for Windows is quick and pretty accurate, but it makes an absolute mess of the format. On 22/07/2017 13:57, john s wrote: > George, I think QRead reads pdf files but I don't know about preserving > formats. > > At 10:04 PM 7/21/2017, you wrote: >> Thanks very much for the great suggestions, everydody. I’ll check >> them all out and see if any of them eet my needs. >> >> Georgwe >> >> *From:* George McCoy <mailto:slr1bpz@...> >> *Sent:* Thursday, July 20, 2017 3:33 PM >> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> >> *Subject:* [nvda] .pdf readers >> >> Is there a pdf reader other than Adobe Reader that works with NVDA? I >> need one that preserves the document format including indentions. >> Visual inspection of the documents in Adobe Reader reveals that they >> contain indented lines but NVDA says that all lines are at the left >> margin. >> I converted the document to various formats with three different >> converters and in no case does the output show indented lines. >> >> Thanks very much, >> George >> >> John >> >> |
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Jacques <lists4js@...>
Hi, although QRead is a neat little program, it does not retain format, quite to the contrary. If you need a application that will read a PDF which is not image-based, and format is not an issue, QRead works very well though. I've seen Tweets suggesting that a future release of QRead will be able to do OCR on image-based PDF's, but no indication on when that will be available. Based on what I currently have installed, the best way to get access to correctly formatted PDF's, especially those which are image-based, Fine Reader does the best job. As previously mentioned on the list, KNFB Reader for Windows is quick and pretty accurate, but it makes an absolute mess of the format.
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On 22/07/2017 13:57, john s wrote:
George, I think QRead reads pdf files but I don't know about preserving formats. |
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john s
George, I think QRead reads pdf files but I don't know about preserving
formats.
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At 10:04 PM 7/21/2017, you wrote: Thanks very much for the great suggestions, everydody. I’ll check them all out and see if any of them eet my needs. |
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George McCoy <slr1bpz@...>
Thanks very much for the great suggestions, everydody. I’ll check
them all out and see if any of them eet my needs.
Georgwe
Is there a pdf reader other than Adobe Reader that works with NVDA? I
need one that preserves the document format including indentions.
Visual inspection of the documents in Adobe Reader reveals that they
contain indented lines but NVDA says that all lines are at the left
margin.
I converted the document to various formats with three different converters
and in no case does the output show indented lines.
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George |
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David Moore
Hi Brian, That is a great question. I will experiment with reading those kinds of PDF’s with Edge to see how all kinds of PDF’s read with Edge!. Let as many of us, who can, try doing this, and report our findings. David Moore Sent from Mail for Windows 10
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Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 4:01 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] .pdf readers
Yes but how would it be able to get around those pdfs that have no reading order or formatting tags which often seems to be the default of most people? Are you saying in effect that edge is OCRing all pdfs to present the document? Brian
bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Moore" <jesusloves1966@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 12:23 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] .pdf readers
Hi all! I just want you to know, that I use Edge with NVDA to read PDF’s a lot, and Edge is better than even Adobe reader for reading PDF articles. Edge shows the entire article, and NVDA reads great. Once JAWS supports Edge, I believe that Edge will be a great solution for reading PDF’s. Any EPUB book can be read in Edge as well. So, Edge will be powerful once we have all of the accessibility for it. David Moore Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: Gene Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 5:54 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] .pdf readers
OCR programs like Openbook or Omnipage don't present PDF files in their original form. They recognize them as you would a page of text. It is an OCR recognition and isn't and won't be considered to be the original document. Plus, it will almost certainly have some recognition errors.
Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Shaun Everiss Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 3:59 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] .pdf readers
there are only 3 solutions well 4 really that are worth mentioning 5 if you count online.
1. adobe reader that can save to html and or text so in theory it should work.
2. balabolka, or edsharp both should be able to read pdfs as text like files.
3. pdf2txt, should be able to ripp files to bits even encripted files though what you get back is unknown.
4. abbyy fine reader, never got this to work accessibly but it can read so can omnipage, k1000, etc most ocr packagers.
5. google, while technically not a solution you can email the pdf to yourself, convert to html and save the results.
6, some epub readers can read pdf and edge can though never try it.
Firefox and chrome may to but as I said never tried it.
There is also foxit but it never worked for me.
On 21/07/2017 8:33 a.m., George McCoy wrote: > Is there a pdf reader other than Adobe Reader that works with NVDA? I need > one that preserves the document format including indentions. > Visual inspection of the documents in Adobe Reader reveals that they > contain indented lines but NVDA says that all lines are at the left > margin. > I converted the document to various formats with three different > converters and in no case does the output show indented lines. > > Thanks very much, > George >
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Yes but how would it be able to get around those pdfs that have no reading order or formatting tags which often seems to be the default of most people?
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Are you saying in effect that edge is OCRing all pdfs to present the document? Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message -----
From: "David Moore" <jesusloves1966@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 12:23 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] .pdf readers Hi all! I just want you to know, that I use Edge with NVDA to read PDF’s a lot, and Edge is better than even Adobe reader for reading PDF articles. Edge shows the entire article, and NVDA reads great. Once JAWS supports Edge, I believe that Edge will be a great solution for reading PDF’s. Any EPUB book can be read in Edge as well. So, Edge will be powerful once we have all of the accessibility for it. David Moore Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Gene Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 5:54 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] .pdf readers OCR programs like Openbook or Omnipage don't present PDF files in their original form. They recognize them as you would a page of text. It is an OCR recognition and isn't and won't be considered to be the original document. Plus, it will almost certainly have some recognition errors. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Shaun Everiss Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 3:59 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] .pdf readers there are only 3 solutions well 4 really that are worth mentioning 5 if you count online. 1. adobe reader that can save to html and or text so in theory it should work. 2. balabolka, or edsharp both should be able to read pdfs as text like files. 3. pdf2txt, should be able to ripp files to bits even encripted files though what you get back is unknown. 4. abbyy fine reader, never got this to work accessibly but it can read so can omnipage, k1000, etc most ocr packagers. 5. google, while technically not a solution you can email the pdf to yourself, convert to html and save the results. 6, some epub readers can read pdf and edge can though never try it. Firefox and chrome may to but as I said never tried it. There is also foxit but it never worked for me. On 21/07/2017 8:33 a.m., George McCoy wrote: Is there a pdf reader other than Adobe Reader that works with NVDA? I need one that preserves the document format including indentions. |
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Unfortunately, as I have found many many times, if the document creator has not actually tagged the file for its changes in reading order or indentation to be spoken, then no amount of clever screenreading or extracting the text is going to fix it. I've most certainly downloaded BBC pdfs that have been extremely well tagged and the formatting is if anything over verbose if you interogate it.
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I'm not sure why pdf creation software does not try to prompt the creator to tag them as a matter of course. To show how bad they can be, here in the uk we have several train operators and I've yet to find any of their downloadable documents to read without scrambling up the columns. they just don't get it and say in their emails, well it looks ok on my screen. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message -----
From: "George McCoy" <slr1bpz@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 9:33 PM Subject: [nvda] .pdf readers Is there a pdf reader other than Adobe Reader that works with NVDA? I need one that preserves the document format including indentions. Visual inspection of the documents in Adobe Reader reveals that they contain indented lines but NVDA says that all lines are at the left margin. I converted the document to various formats with three different converters and in no case does the output show indented lines. Thanks very much, George |
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if you want to read normal pdf files not scanned pdf and dont need ocr, i prefer firefox. i used it and it worked for me. its a little difficult to explane how to use in english. also for conversion pdf files in other formats, you can try chrome and for converting in to txt or just reading, i recommend balabolka. they are the only free solutions that i know except adobe reader. On 7/21/17, Jason White via Groups.Io <jason@...> wrote:
Excellent, thanks. In my work environment, I find that the best way to read --
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Jason White
Excellent, thanks. In my work environment, I find that the best way to read PDF files is often to use ABBYY FineReader 12 Pro to convert them to another format (e.g., Microsoft Words). Where the files contain only images of text, of course, this is necessary, but it’s even useful in circumstances in which there’s actual text in the PDF file, but Adobe Reader has problems with it.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 7:54 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] .pdf readers
It sure does! That is the great part! David Moore Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: Jason White via Groups.Io
Does it recognize the tags used (headings, lists, paragraphs, tables etc.) in tagged PDF documents?
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Moore
Hi all! I just want you to know, that I use Edge with NVDA to read PDF’s a lot, and Edge is better than even Adobe reader for reading PDF articles. Edge shows the entire article, and NVDA reads great. Once JAWS supports Edge, I believe that Edge will be a great solution for reading PDF’s. Any EPUB book can be read in Edge as well. So, Edge will be powerful once we have all of the accessibility for it. David Moore Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: Gene
OCR programs like Openbook or Omnipage don't present PDF files in their original form. They recognize them as you would a page of text. It is an OCR recognition and isn't and won't be considered to be the original document. Plus, it will almost certainly have some recognition errors.
Gene ----- Original Message -----
there are only 3 solutions well 4 really that are worth mentioning 5 if
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David Moore
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Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 7:29 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] .pdf readers
Does it recognize the tags used (headings, lists, paragraphs, tables etc.) in tagged PDF documents?
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Moore
Hi all! I just want you to know, that I use Edge with NVDA to read PDF’s a lot, and Edge is better than even Adobe reader for reading PDF articles. Edge shows the entire article, and NVDA reads great. Once JAWS supports Edge, I believe that Edge will be a great solution for reading PDF’s. Any EPUB book can be read in Edge as well. So, Edge will be powerful once we have all of the accessibility for it. David Moore Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: Gene
OCR programs like Openbook or Omnipage don't present PDF files in their original form. They recognize them as you would a page of text. It is an OCR recognition and isn't and won't be considered to be the original document. Plus, it will almost certainly have some recognition errors.
Gene ----- Original Message -----
there are only 3 solutions well 4 really that are worth mentioning 5 if
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Jason White
Does it recognize the tags used (headings, lists, paragraphs, tables etc.) in tagged PDF documents?
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 7:23 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] .pdf readers
Hi all! I just want you to know, that I use Edge with NVDA to read PDF’s a lot, and Edge is better than even Adobe reader for reading PDF articles. Edge shows the entire article, and NVDA reads great. Once JAWS supports Edge, I believe that Edge will be a great solution for reading PDF’s. Any EPUB book can be read in Edge as well. So, Edge will be powerful once we have all of the accessibility for it. David Moore Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: Gene
OCR programs like Openbook or Omnipage don't present PDF files in their original form. They recognize them as you would a page of text. It is an OCR recognition and isn't and won't be considered to be the original document. Plus, it will almost certainly have some recognition errors.
Gene ----- Original Message -----
there are only 3 solutions well 4 really that are worth mentioning 5 if
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David Moore
Hi all! I just want you to know, that I use Edge with NVDA to read PDF’s a lot, and Edge is better than even Adobe reader for reading PDF articles. Edge shows the entire article, and NVDA reads great. Once JAWS supports Edge, I believe that Edge will be a great solution for reading PDF’s. Any EPUB book can be read in Edge as well. So, Edge will be powerful once we have all of the accessibility for it. David Moore Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 5:54 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] .pdf readers
OCR programs like Openbook or Omnipage don't present PDF files in their original form. They recognize them as you would a page of text. It is an OCR recognition and isn't and won't be considered to be the original document. Plus, it will almost certainly have some recognition errors.
Gene ----- Original Message -----
there are only 3 solutions well 4 really that are worth mentioning 5 if
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Gene
OCR programs like Openbook or Omnipage don't
present PDF files in their original form. They recognize them as you would
a page of text. It is an OCR recognition and isn't and won't be considered
to be the original document. Plus, it will almost certainly have some
recognition errors.
Gene ----- Original Message -----
you count online. 1. adobe reader that can save to html and or text so in theory it should work. 2. balabolka, or edsharp both should be able to read pdfs as text like files. 3. pdf2txt, should be able to ripp files to bits even encripted files though what you get back is unknown. 4. abbyy fine reader, never got this to work accessibly but it can read so can omnipage, k1000, etc most ocr packagers. 5. google, while technically not a solution you can email the pdf to yourself, convert to html and save the results. 6, some epub readers can read pdf and edge can though never try it. Firefox and chrome may to but as I said never tried it. There is also foxit but it never worked for me. On 21/07/2017 8:33 a.m., George McCoy wrote: > Is there a pdf reader other than Adobe Reader that works with NVDA? I need one that preserves the document format including indentions. > Visual inspection of the documents in Adobe Reader reveals that they contain indented lines but NVDA says that all lines are at the left margin. > I converted the document to various formats with three different converters and in no case does the output show indented lines. > > Thanks very much, > George > |
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there are only 3 solutions well 4 really that are worth mentioning 5 if you count online.
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1. adobe reader that can save to html and or text so in theory it should work. 2. balabolka, or edsharp both should be able to read pdfs as text like files. 3. pdf2txt, should be able to ripp files to bits even encripted files though what you get back is unknown. 4. abbyy fine reader, never got this to work accessibly but it can read so can omnipage, k1000, etc most ocr packagers. 5. google, while technically not a solution you can email the pdf to yourself, convert to html and save the results. 6, some epub readers can read pdf and edge can though never try it. Firefox and chrome may to but as I said never tried it. There is also foxit but it never worked for me. On 21/07/2017 8:33 a.m., George McCoy wrote:
Is there a pdf reader other than Adobe Reader that works with NVDA? I need one that preserves the document format including indentions. |
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John Hedges
I use Edge pdf view. It works with accessible files. This is part of Windows 10 latest release.
Files generated by Office365 2016 work as accessible pdf.
John
From: George McCoy
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 4:33 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] .pdf readers
Is there a pdf reader other than Adobe Reader that works with NVDA? I need one that preserves the document format including indentions.
Visual inspection of the documents in Adobe Reader reveals that they contain indented lines but NVDA says that all lines are at the left margin.
I converted the document to various formats with three different converters and in no case does the output show indented lines.
Thanks very much,
George
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George McCoy <slr1bpz@...>
Is there a pdf reader other than Adobe Reader that works with NVDA? I
need one that preserves the document format including indentions.
Visual inspection of the documents in Adobe Reader reveals that they
contain indented lines but NVDA says that all lines are at the left
margin.
I converted the document to various formats with three different converters
and in no case does the output show indented lines.
Thanks very much,
George |
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