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System restore
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Chris Shook <chris0309@...>
Hi,
I have a quick question. I recently tried to perform a system restore and I got the following method. "System restore did not complete successfully. System restore could not restore the directory at the restore point." I have tried to contact Microsoft, but I seem to be lead around and in circles. I am currently running Windows 10 version 1703 OS build 15063. Would NVDA cause this issue? I've had the same problem on two different computers. Is anyone else having this problem? I am sorry for posting here, but I didn't know where else to turn. Thanks Chris |
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Gene
I don't see why a screen-reader would cause
problems with system restore. To rule in or out your hypothesis, you can
try running it with Narrator or with some other screen-reader like JAWS or a
JAWS demo. But my impression, from having used System Restore in XP and
Windows 7 is that before System Restore makes changes to the system, it unloads
Windows and system restore does most of what it does when Windows isn't
running.
Gene ----- Original Message -----
I have a quick question. I recently tried to perform a system restore and I got the following method. "System restore did not complete successfully. System restore could not restore the directory at the restore point." I have tried to contact Microsoft, but I seem to be lead around and in circles. I am currently running Windows 10 version 1703 OS build 15063. Would NVDA cause this issue? I've had the same problem on two different computers. Is anyone else having this problem? I am sorry for posting here, but I didn't know where else to turn. Thanks Chris |
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System Restore is notoriously flaky. I love it when it works, but I've had way more than one occasion where it will not. I've had others where I kept having to work my way in reverse chronological order from the most recent restore point until I finally hit one where the restore would work.
This is only one of the reasons I strongly encourage my clients to obtain an external backup drive and take system image backups using the frequency metric "whenever I'd really want to tear my hair out to redo the work it's taken to get my system as it is now." If you don't do a lot of software installation and/or removal the interval will be longer than for someone who's frequently tweaking their system. -- Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1703, Build 15063 (dot level on request - it changes too often to keep in signature) The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth. ~ Niels Bohr
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Gene
I have computers where System Restore works
reliably in general, and I have one where it doesn't. I'm not sure
why. But at a minimum, I think people should have a registry backup
program if all they currently use is System Restore. Even if it usually
works reliably on a computer, you never know when something might happen.
On my Windows 7 machine, all my restore points were lost for unknown
reasons. I didn't have to run System Restore at that time, but I couldn't
have if I had wanted or needed to. So reliable operation isn't a guarantee
of future reliability. I'm saying that because some people might not want
to use an imaging program but they might be willing to use something like a
registry backup program. I'm not recommending it but I'm saying that
something should be used in addition to system restore even if it isn't
adequate.
Gene ----- Original Message -----
This is only one of the reasons I strongly encourage my clients to obtain an external backup drive and take system image backups using the frequency metric "whenever I'd really want to tear my hair out to redo the work it's taken to get my system as it is now." If you don't do a lot of software installation and/or removal the interval will be longer than for someone who's frequently tweaking their system. -- Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1703, Build 15063 (dot level on request - it changes too often to keep in signature) The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth. ~ Niels Bohr
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Chris Shook <chris0309@...>
Hi Brian,
Thanks for the info. So would you say that this is an issue with Windows 10 and not any indevidual programs in the computer? Thanks Chris |
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That is good but if you uninstalled a program well then loaded another you may want to get that program or settings back.
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I to use a reg backup. On 21/07/2017 9:13 a.m., Gene wrote:
I have computers where System Restore works reliably in general, and I have one where it doesn't. I'm not sure why. But at a minimum, I think people should have a registry backup program if all they currently use is System Restore. Even if it usually works reliably on a computer, you never know when something might happen. On my Windows 7 machine, all my restore points were lost for unknown reasons. I didn't have to run System Restore at that time, but I couldn't have if I had wanted or needed to. So reliable operation isn't a guarantee of future reliability. I'm saying that because some people might not want to use an imaging program but they might be willing to use something like a registry backup program. I'm not recommending it but I'm saying that something should be used in addition to system restore even if it isn't adequate. |
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Gene
Sometimes, antimalware programs keep System Restore
from running. Sometimes, if it isn't run in Safe Mode, it won't run
properly. I have no idea if either is the case in this instance. But
I think the chances of a screen-reader causing problems are minimal and are
extremely unlikely.
Gene ----- Original Message -----
Thanks for the info. So would you say that this is an issue with Windows 10 and not any indevidual programs in the computer? Thanks Chris |
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Gene
I'm not saying it's at all equivalent to a
reversion program but if all you use is System Restore, you should have
something else, whether it's adequate or not.
Gene ----- Original Message -----
you may want to get that program or settings back. I to use a reg backup. On 21/07/2017 9:13 a.m., Gene wrote: > I have computers where System Restore works reliably in general, and I have one where it doesn't. I'm not sure why. But at a minimum, I think people should have a registry backup program if all they currently use is System Restore. Even if it usually works reliably on a computer, you never know when something might happen. On my Windows 7 machine, all my restore points were lost for unknown reasons. I didn't have to run System Restore at that time, but I couldn't have if I had wanted or needed to. So reliable operation isn't a guarantee of future reliability. I'm saying that because some people might not want to use an imaging program but they might be willing to use something like a registry backup program. I'm not recommending it but I'm saying that something should be used in addition to system restore even if it isn't adequate. > > > Gene > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Brian Vogel > Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 3:59 PM > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io > Subject: Re: [nvda] System restore > > > System Restore is notoriously flaky. I love it when it works, but I've had way more than one occasion where it will not. I've had others where I kept having to work my way in reverse chronological order from the most recent restore point until I finally hit one where the restore would work. > > This is only one of the reasons I strongly encourage my clients to obtain an external backup drive and take system image backups using the frequency metric "whenever I'd really want to tear my hair out to redo the work it's taken to get my system as it is now." If you don't do a lot of software installation and/or removal the interval will be longer than for someone who's frequently tweaking their system. > |
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Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
Hi Chris
I have done system restore plenty of times and had no problems. I was using nvda with all of them.
One time i done it on a members computer but it did not have internet access and done a system restore when all things failed and it gave me the same message as you said. but then funny enough the connection for the internet came back. this was after doing the usual steps of back brading or upgrading the driver and even uninstalling it etc.
But it still fixed it any how.
The other thing 2 is when you go into the part where there are restore points and it gives you a list of them go back before the problem happened then restore it. There are other restore points just above the list and will need to be checked to see them if you have not done it already.
Only in the last week on my windows 10 creators update i reset the computer back to factory defaults but keaped my stuff you usually keep when you upgrade etc and then i was able to use narrator to setup windows again. It was my first time doing that.
but the system restore will not cause problems while using nvda just do not touch it when it is doing it's thing other wise you might get that message again.
Gene nz
On 7/21/2017 8:50 AM, Chris Shook wrote:
Hi, --
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Well I have old erunt but weather that remains working or not is unknown its not for win10 and its not been updated in ages.
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I have not tried to restore a registry with it its for xp really but it seems to back it up ok. On 21/07/2017 9:58 a.m., Gene wrote:
I'm not saying it's at all equivalent to a reversion program but if all you use is System Restore, you should have something else, whether it's adequate or not. |
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Chris Shook <chris0309@...>
Hi all,
It's strange. I shut NVDA down and started narrator. I tried to restore the computer back to July 18, which was the same time I tried to restore it to earlier. Last time it failed completely and I ghot the message I posted earlier. This time, it worked. The only difference I can remember is this time narrator said "Preparing to restore your system, Yes or No." I clicked yes and went to eat supper. When I got back, it said System restore had completed successfully your computer has been restored to July 18. I want to thank all of you for your help and input. Chris |
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Gene
According to a knowledgeable tech on another list
and according to Bleeping Computer, Erunt doesn't work well in Windows 10 and
other programs should be used.
Gene
its not for win10 and its not been updated in ages. I have not tried to restore a registry with it its for xp really but it seems to back it up ok. On 21/07/2017 9:58 a.m., Gene wrote: > I'm not saying it's at all equivalent to a reversion program but if all you use is System Restore, you should have something else, whether it's adequate or not. > > Gene > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Shaun Everiss > Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 4:20 PM > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io > Subject: Re: [nvda] System restore > > > That is good but if you uninstalled a program well then loaded another > you may want to get that program or settings back. > > I to use a reg backup. > > > > > On 21/07/2017 9:13 a.m., Gene wrote: >> I have computers where System Restore works reliably in general, and I have one where it doesn't. I'm not sure why. But at a minimum, I think people should have a registry backup program if all they currently use is System Restore. Even if it usually works reliably on a computer, you never know when something might happen. On my Windows 7 machine, all my restore points were lost for unknown reasons. I didn't have to run System Restore at that time, but I couldn't have if I had wanted or needed to. So reliable operation isn't a guarantee of future reliability. I'm saying that because some people might not want to use an imaging program but they might be willing to use something like a registry backup program. I'm not recommending it but I'm saying that something should be used in addition to system restore even if it isn't adequate. >> >> >> Gene >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: Brian Vogel >> Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 3:59 PM >> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io >> Subject: Re: [nvda] System restore >> >> >> System Restore is notoriously flaky. I love it when it works, but I've had way more than one occasion where it will not. I've had others where I kept having to work my way in reverse chronological order from the most recent restore point until I finally hit one where the restore would work. >> >> This is only one of the reasons I strongly encourage my clients to obtain an external backup drive and take system image backups using the frequency metric "whenever I'd really want to tear my hair out to redo the work it's taken to get my system as it is now." If you don't do a lot of software installation and/or removal the interval will be longer than for someone who's frequently tweaking their system. >> > > > |
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On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 02:17 pm, Chris Shook wrote:
Thanks for the info. So would you say that this is an issue with Windows 10 and not any indevidual programs in the computer?I would say this is an issue with System Restore. And you've now experienced one of the flaky incidents. Why it works, or doesn't work, on any given attempt is something I have never been able to figure out. As you've also learned sometimes the second try is the charm. I can definitely tell you that sometimes it isn't, too. This is one of the reasons I've come to rely on system image backup utilities as my technique of choice for restoring my system. I'll still try System Restore first because it's easy and when it works it's great, but I never put my full trust in it. -- Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1703, Build 15063 (dot level on request - it changes too often to keep in signature) The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth. ~ Niels Bohr
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Hmmm what is a good backup program jean.
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I have used it on 7 to restore once, and I have backed up on 10, but it is old and its primary download server just doesn't work. they have a registry defragmenter to but on 7 it causes a lot of issues so I havn't used it for a bit. What should I be using. If its free and a single app I'll use it, but if I have to pay 30-50 bucks for it I won't for a single program. On 21/07/2017 10:26 a.m., Gene wrote:
According to a knowledgeable tech on another list and according to Bleeping Computer, Erunt doesn't work well in Windows 10 and other programs should be used. |
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Gene
I don't know enough about the subject to make an
informed recommendation but others well may.
Gene ----- Original Message -----
I have used it on 7 to restore once, and I have backed up on 10, but it is old and its primary download server just doesn't work. they have a registry defragmenter to but on 7 it causes a lot of issues so I havn't used it for a bit. What should I be using. If its free and a single app I'll use it, but if I have to pay 30-50 bucks for it I won't for a single program. On 21/07/2017 10:26 a.m., Gene wrote: > According to a knowledgeable tech on another list and according to Bleeping Computer, Erunt doesn't work well in Windows 10 and other programs should be used. > > Gene > > > From: Shaun Everiss > Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 5:14 PM > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io > Subject: Re: [nvda] System restore > > > Well I have old erunt but weather that remains working or not is unknown > its not for win10 and its not been updated in ages. > > I have not tried to restore a registry with it its for xp really but it > seems to back it up ok. > > > > > On 21/07/2017 9:58 a.m., Gene wrote: >> I'm not saying it's at all equivalent to a reversion program but if all you use is System Restore, you should have something else, whether it's adequate or not. >> >> Gene >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: Shaun Everiss >> Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 4:20 PM >> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io >> Subject: Re: [nvda] System restore >> >> >> That is good but if you uninstalled a program well then loaded another >> you may want to get that program or settings back. >> >> I to use a reg backup. >> >> >> >> >> On 21/07/2017 9:13 a.m., Gene wrote: >>> I have computers where System Restore works reliably in general, and I have one where it doesn't. I'm not sure why. But at a minimum, I think people should have a registry backup program if all they currently use is System Restore. Even if it usually works reliably on a computer, you never know when something might happen. On my Windows 7 machine, all my restore points were lost for unknown reasons. I didn't have to run System Restore at that time, but I couldn't have if I had wanted or needed to. So reliable operation isn't a guarantee of future reliability. I'm saying that because some people might not want to use an imaging program but they might be willing to use something like a registry backup program. I'm not recommending it but I'm saying that something should be used in addition to system restore even if it isn't adequate. >>> >>> >>> Gene >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> >>> From: Brian Vogel >>> Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 3:59 PM >>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io >>> Subject: Re: [nvda] System restore >>> >>> >>> System Restore is notoriously flaky. I love it when it works, but I've had way more than one occasion where it will not. I've had others where I kept having to work my way in reverse chronological order from the most recent restore point until I finally hit one where the restore would work. >>> >>> This is only one of the reasons I strongly encourage my clients to obtain an external backup drive and take system image backups using the frequency metric "whenever I'd really want to tear my hair out to redo the work it's taken to get my system as it is now." If you don't do a lot of software installation and/or removal the interval will be longer than for someone who's frequently tweaking their system. >>> >> >> > > > |
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Yes it creates the restore point saves registry and othe files when the point is created. When you try a restore it then looks at the index of the restore point you specifies and puts things back as they were, but does not alter certain files at all.
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When I see this problem it often happens when somebody has done a restore already, then tries to do another one. I'm not entirely sure why this sometimes fails, but it usually fails in such a way that you get back what you went in with, ie no half finished jobs. Another thing to note is that sometimes other software like anti virus need to be off when making a restore point and off when restoring. Sadly AVG seems to be a culprit here, its annoying as it does not actually tell you. Maybe they have fixed this, but now I just use Microsoft's stuff and superantispyware run on my whim. Other than that also ask yourself has any restore actually worked, could it be due to the hidden partition and registry for restoring the system to factory settings. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 9:54 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] System restore I don't see why a screen-reader would cause problems with system restore. To rule in or out your hypothesis, you can try running it with Narrator or with some other screen-reader like JAWS or a JAWS demo. But my impression, from having used System Restore in XP and Windows 7 is that before System Restore makes changes to the system, it unloads Windows and system restore does most of what it does when Windows isn't running. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Shook Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 3:50 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] System restore Hi, I have a quick question. I recently tried to perform a system restore and I got the following method. "System restore did not complete successfully. System restore could not restore the directory at the restore point." I have tried to contact Microsoft, but I seem to be lead around and in circles. I am currently running Windows 10 version 1703 OS build 15063. Would NVDA cause this issue? I've had the same problem on two different computers. Is anyone else having this problem? I am sorry for posting here, but I didn't know where else to turn. Thanks Chris |
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Well it can be any version of windows in my experience and sometimes its clobbered by some piece of software and sometimes the cause is perhaps bad uninstalls of software by a user ho just deletes folders. Brian
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From: "Chris Shook" <chris0309@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 10:17 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] System restore Hi Brian, |
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Gene
The hidden partition has no connection to system
restore. They are completely different features. The only purpose of
the hidden partition and information on it is to run the revert to factory state
utility which has no connection with System Restore. The hidden partition,
and the information on it shouldn't be tampered with.
Gene ----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 2:48 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] System restore point is created. When you try a restore it then looks at the index of the restore point you specifies and puts things back as they were, but does not alter certain files at all. When I see this problem it often happens when somebody has done a restore already, then tries to do another one. I'm not entirely sure why this sometimes fails, but it usually fails in such a way that you get back what you went in with, ie no half finished jobs. Another thing to note is that sometimes other software like anti virus need to be off when making a restore point and off when restoring. Sadly AVG seems to be a culprit here, its annoying as it does not actually tell you. Maybe they have fixed this, but now I just use Microsoft's stuff and superantispyware run on my whim. Other than that also ask yourself has any restore actually worked, could it be due to the hidden partition and registry for restoring the system to factory settings. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene" <gsasner@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 9:54 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] System restore I don't see why a screen-reader would cause problems with system restore. To rule in or out your hypothesis, you can try running it with Narrator or with some other screen-reader like JAWS or a JAWS demo. But my impression, from having used System Restore in XP and Windows 7 is that before System Restore makes changes to the system, it unloads Windows and system restore does most of what it does when Windows isn't running. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Shook Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 3:50 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] System restore Hi, I have a quick question. I recently tried to perform a system restore and I got the following method. "System restore did not complete successfully. System restore could not restore the directory at the restore point." I have tried to contact Microsoft, but I seem to be lead around and in circles. I am currently running Windows 10 version 1703 OS build 15063. Would NVDA cause this issue? I've had the same problem on two different computers. Is anyone else having this problem? I am sorry for posting here, but I didn't know where else to turn. Thanks Chris |
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On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 06:13 am, Gene wrote:
I'll agree absolutely with the first statement, but the second needs to be qualified. If, for instance, you have a machine that came with Windows 8.1 and you've upgraded to Windows 10 and know that you never, under any circumstances, intend to revert the machine back to "out of the box" state it is entirely possible to integrate the space used by the factory recovery partition into another partition. You need to exercise care when doing so, but many people have described doing this on BleepingComputer. Since the recovery (as in to "out of the box" state) partition is generally small in the grand scheme of things very few people actually do this, but it is wasted space if you know that a factory reset is never going to be undertaken. I've not reclaimed the space on mine, but I could, since I'd always do a reinstall of Windows 10 from scratch or a restore from a system image. I'll never go back to Windows 8.1. -- Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1703, Build 15063 (dot level on request - it changes too often to keep in signature) The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth. ~ Niels Bohr
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