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Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken


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It just did this and now it opens in some kind of bookmark panel.
One has to tab to find the actual displayed page. I am thinking this is a Firefox bug. Toolbar for bookmarks is definitely off.

Anyone else noticed this?
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Gene
 

If it didn't happen in the previous version of Firefox, why would this be an NVDA bug?  It may be that NVDA will have to be modified because of a change in Firefox, but I would think the logical cause would be Firefox.
 
Gene

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Subject: [nvda] Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken

It just did this and now it opens in some kind of bookmark  panel.
 One has to tab to find the actual displayed page. I am thinking this is a
Firefox bug. Toolbar for bookmarks is definitely off.

Anyone else noticed this?
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I just installed 54 over it and its back as it was. Can anyone shed some light on the new weird bookmarks panel that seems to be there by default?
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Subject: [nvda] Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken


It just did this and now it opens in some kind of bookmark panel.
One has to tab to find the actual displayed page. I am thinking this is a Firefox bug. Toolbar for bookmarks is definitely off.

Anyone else noticed this?
Brian

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Kevin Cussick
 

Hi, agreed but I am using the latest version it works with the stable version of nvda but not the RC and now this is on 2 computers now.

On 21/08/2017 11:54, Gene wrote:
If it didn't happen in the previous version of Firefox, why would this be an NVDA bug?  It may be that NVDA will have to be modified because of a change in Firefox, but I would think the logical cause would be Firefox.
Gene
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*Subject:* [nvda] Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken
It just did this and now it opens in some kind of bookmark panel.
 One has to tab to find the actual displayed page. I am thinking this is a
Firefox bug. Toolbar for bookmarks is definitely off.
Anyone else noticed this?
 Brian
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Gene
 

Are you talking about the bookmarks problem discussed in the quoted messages in this thread?  The other problem, the page not being read is a different thread.
 
Gene

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Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken

Hi,   agreed but I am using the latest version it works with the stable
version of nvda but not the RC and now this is on 2 computers now.

On 21/08/2017 11:54, Gene wrote:
> If it didn't happen in the previous version of Firefox, why would this
> be an NVDA bug?  It may be that NVDA will have to be modified because of
> a change in Firefox, but I would think the logical cause would be Firefox.
> Gene
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> It just did this and now it opens in some kind of bookmark panel.
>   One has to tab to find the actual displayed page. I am thinking this is a
> Firefox bug. Toolbar for bookmarks is definitely off.
>
> Anyone else noticed this?
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Andrew Summers
 

Where have people got v56 from, because mine is 55.0.2.



Andrew

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Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken

I just installed 54 over it and its back as it was. Can anyone shed some
light on the new weird bookmarks panel that seems to be there by default?
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Subject: [nvda] Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken


It just did this and now it opens in some kind of bookmark panel.
One has to tab to find the actual displayed page. I am thinking this is a Firefox bug. Toolbar for bookmarks is definitely off.

Anyone else noticed this?
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Gene
 

The problem discussed by Brian in the latest version of Firefox is a purely firefox problem and there is a very easy work around. 
 
The problem is that the shortcut, alt b, when you hold the alt and type b, doesn't work properly.  It duplicates the short cut control I, which toggles on and off the book marks search.  But the short cut does work properly if you type it the other way, that is, release alt, then type b.  That opens the book marks structure where it should open. 
 
This is a bug in Firefox, which I thought was tested for accessibility long before production versions are released.  This bug raises serious questions about accessibility testing.  this glaring bug should have been discovered quickly and easily a good while before release.
 
Gene

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> It just did this and now it opens in some kind of bookmark panel.
>   One has to tab to find the actual displayed page. I am thinking this is a
> Firefox bug. Toolbar for bookmarks is definitely off.
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> Anyone else noticed this?
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Gene
 

I don't have 56.  I have one of the 55 versions and I am told Firefox is up-to-date.  But using the version I have, I have the same problem Brian discussed.
 
Gene

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Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken

Where have people got v56 from, because mine is 55.0.2.



Andrew
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken

I just installed 54 over it and its back as it was. Can anyone shed some
light on the new weird bookmarks panel that seems to be there by default?
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Subject: [nvda] Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken


> It just did this and now it opens in some kind of bookmark  panel.
> One has to tab to find the actual displayed page. I am thinking this is a
> Firefox bug. Toolbar for bookmarks is definitely off.
>
> Anyone else noticed this?
> Brian
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Andrew Summers
 

Well, when I do alt b I get the BookMark menu come up.
 
Andrew
 

From: Gene
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 12:37 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken
 
I don't have 56.  I have one of the 55 versions and I am told Firefox is up-to-date.  But using the version I have, I have the same problem Brian discussed.
 
Gene
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken
 
Where have people got v56 from, because mine is 55.0.2.



Andrew
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken

I just installed 54 over it and its back as it was. Can anyone shed some
light on the new weird bookmarks panel that seems to be there by default?
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Subject: [nvda] Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken


> It just did this and now it opens in some kind of bookmark  panel.
> One has to tab to find the actual displayed page. I am thinking this is a
> Firefox bug. Toolbar for bookmarks is definitely off.
>
> Anyone else noticed this?
> Brian
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It asked me this morning and I let it do it, and the result was that on opening, with no keyboard input, a panel comes up about bookmarks, but its not an html screen so no virtual buffers.
Slowly hitting tab eventually ends up in the browse mode on the page you set up as start. However, whereas the previous 54 and 55 versions always go into focus mode if this page is a search engine, in 56 this does not occur, leaving you to figure out if its shifte or e to get to that field, then press enter to get into it. Its all very inconvenient. I have never ever seen this weird bookmark panel before. Its most certainly not the bookmark list or toolbar as we have had previously, and indeed as I say, no keyboard entry is needed to initiate it, its just there on start up.
I got so annoyed in trying to find a place to put it back as it was, I decided life was too short and put in 54 as this is the last executable archive I had.
Brian

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Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken


Where have people got v56 from, because mine is 55.0.2.



Andrew
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken

I just installed 54 over it and its back as it was. Can anyone shed some
light on the new weird bookmarks panel that seems to be there by default?
Brian

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Subject: [nvda] Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken


It just did this and now it opens in some kind of bookmark panel.
One has to tab to find the actual displayed page. I am thinking this is a Firefox bug. Toolbar for bookmarks is definitely off.

Anyone else noticed this?
Brian

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Gene
 

I don't know what version of Firefox you are using. 
 
Gene

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Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken

Well, when I do alt b I get the BookMark menu come up.
 
Andrew
 
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 12:37 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken
 
I don't have 56.  I have one of the 55 versions and I am told Firefox is up-to-date.  But using the version I have, I have the same problem Brian discussed.
 
Gene
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken
 
Where have people got v56 from, because mine is 55.0.2.



Andrew
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken

I just installed 54 over it and its back as it was. Can anyone shed some
light on the new weird bookmarks panel that seems to be there by default?
Brian

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Subject: [nvda] Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken


> It just did this and now it opens in some kind of bookmark  panel.
> One has to tab to find the actual displayed page. I am thinking this is a
> Firefox bug. Toolbar for bookmarks is definitely off.
>
> Anyone else noticed this?
> Brian
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Well I'm running on Master and it only went pear shaped on this version of Firefox, so regardless whether its firefox or nvda here, something has obviously altered in Firefox as I've not updated master since it was working and the latest master is almost exactly the same as the RC except the latter has probably go all latest translations and errors mutied.
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken


Hi, agreed but I am using the latest version it works with the stable version of nvda but not the RC and now this is on 2 computers now.

On 21/08/2017 11:54, Gene wrote:
If it didn't happen in the previous version of Firefox, why would this be an NVDA bug? It may be that NVDA will have to be modified because of a change in Firefox, but I would think the logical cause would be Firefox.
Gene
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*Subject:* [nvda] Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken

It just did this and now it opens in some kind of bookmark panel.
One has to tab to find the actual displayed page. I am thinking this is a
Firefox bug. Toolbar for bookmarks is definitely off.

Anyone else noticed this?
Brian

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well I still have 55 I will check for updates however

No still 55, this must be a beta or something.

On 21/08/2017 11:34 p.m., Gene wrote:
The problem discussed by Brian in the latest version of Firefox is a purely firefox problem and there is a very easy work around.

The problem is that the shortcut, alt b, when you hold the alt and type b, doesn't work properly. It duplicates the short cut control I, which toggles on and off the book marks search. But the short cut does work properly if you type it the other way, that is, release alt, then type b. That opens the book marks structure where it should open.

This is a bug in Firefox, which I thought was tested for accessibility long before production versions are released. This bug raises serious questions about accessibility testing. this glaring bug should have been discovered quickly and easily a good while before release.

Gene
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*Subject:* [nvda] Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken

It just did this and now it opens in some kind of bookmark panel.
One has to tab to find the actual displayed page. I am thinking this is a
Firefox bug. Toolbar for bookmarks is definitely off.

Anyone else noticed this?
Brian

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Maybe somebody might like to raise a ticket on Firefox then?

Alternatively, raise it in nvda and let one of the devs do it in Firefox. However if this issue affects 2017.2 differently to the latest snaps maybe we have a combination issue. Certainly though up to the last version of 55 I had no issues and have not changed the nvda version since then. Since 54 is now working as it should I would suggest the biggest culpriit is Firefox, its another one of those what I call cleck past with a mouse issues where if a given part of the page is not launched with focus, a mouse user hardly cares as one click and they are in, to use it gets more complicated.
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----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 11:54 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken


If it didn't happen in the previous version of Firefox, why would this be an NVDA bug? It may be that NVDA will have to be modified because of a change in Firefox, but I would think the logical cause would be Firefox.

Gene
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Subject: [nvda] Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken


It just did this and now it opens in some kind of bookmark panel.
One has to tab to find the actual displayed page. I am thinking this is a
Firefox bug. Toolbar for bookmarks is definitely off.

Anyone else noticed this?
Brian

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Gene
 

If you use the command control I to open the bookmarks search field, NVDA automatically treats it as though it is in forms mode.  I don't know if it is, but it lets you type into the edit field.  if you simply issue control I again, the field should close and you will be back in the general browser.  Alt b does the same thing now, it toggles the search interface on and off.  Unless you are describing some other behavior, that is the behavior I've seen in the latest update available from Firefox now in the about dialog.  As I said, in the update I have. alt b now duplicates the action of control I when you hold alt and type b while doing so.
 
Also, if people don't know how to use the control I book marks search interface, that is one of the biggest advantages of Firefox unless you start talking about specialized add ons some people may really like.
 
If you issue the command control I and type a word or more than one word, then tab once, you will see one or more book marks.  All folders are searched so you don't have to worry about where the book mark is.
 
I have a number of New York Times book marks.  I don't want to bother organizing the order of book marks in the book marks menu.  I simply type something to show me the result I want efficiently.  There is a book mark that is titled Today's Paper.  I don't type all that.  I type apostrophe s then I space than I type pap as follows:
's pap
That's all I have to do.  I tab once, I down arrow to select the only result, and I press enter. 
 
I often use the menu if book marks are convenient to get to by qquickly arrowing to them or with first letter navigation.  But anyone with more than a small number of book marks knows how limited these methods are to get to a lot of the book marks in the menu which aren't conveniently located to be moved to in these ways.
 
Also, after you press enter and are taken to the page, you can toggle off the interface with control I.  You will be taken to the page and you won't know the interface is still opened.  It doesn't automatically close and it doesn't get in the way of the page.  But it's good to close it to reduce clutter when you move around the firefox interface and so that you won't have the annoying situation of intending to open the search feature with control I and have nothing appear to happen.  If nothing appears to happen, that's very likely because you forgot to close it and you have just closed it now.
 
Gene

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Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken

It asked me this morning and I let it do it, and the result was that on
opening, with no keyboard input, a panel comes up about bookmarks, but its
not an html screen so no virtual buffers.
 Slowly hitting tab eventually ends up in the browse mode on the page you
set up as start. However, whereas the previous 54 and 55 versions  always go
into focus mode if this page is a search engine, in 56 this does not occur,
leaving you to figure out if its shifte or e to get to that field, then
press enter to get into it. Its all very inconvenient. I have never ever
seen this weird bookmark panel before. Its most certainly not the bookmark
list or toolbar as we have had previously, and indeed as I say, no keyboard
entry is needed to  initiate it, its just there on start up.
 I got so annoyed in trying to find a place to put it back as it was, I
decided life was too short and put in 54 as this is the last executable
archive I had.
 Brian

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Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 12:31 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken


> Where have people got v56 from, because mine is 55.0.2.
>
>
>
> Andrew
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>
> I just installed 54 over it and its back as it was. Can anyone shed some
> light on the new weird bookmarks panel that seems to be there by default?
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>
>> It just did this and now it opens in some kind of bookmark  panel.
>> One has to tab to find the actual displayed page. I am thinking this is a
>> Firefox bug. Toolbar for bookmarks is definitely off.
>>
>> Anyone else noticed this?
>> Brian
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This is not the bookmark menu as i have known it in previous versions.
Anyway, I just created a github ticket on nvda and suggested it might be a Firefox issue, could somebody investigate it.
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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 12:42 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken


Well, when I do alt b I get the BookMark menu come up.

Andrew

From: Gene
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 12:37 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken

I don't have 56. I have one of the 55 versions and I am told Firefox is up-to-date. But using the version I have, I have the same problem Brian discussed.

Gene
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From: Andrew Summers via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 6:31 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken

Where have people got v56 from, because mine is 55.0.2.



Andrew
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken

I just installed 54 over it and its back as it was. Can anyone shed some
light on the new weird bookmarks panel that seems to be there by default?
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Subject: [nvda] Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken


It just did this and now it opens in some kind of bookmark panel.
One has to tab to find the actual displayed page. I am thinking this is a
Firefox bug. Toolbar for bookmarks is definitely off.

Anyone else noticed this?
Brian

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The point is though, I have not issued ANY commands so this is not relevant in this case.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com>
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Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 1:24 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken


If you use the command control I to open the bookmarks search field, NVDA automatically treats it as though it is in forms mode. I don't know if it is, but it lets you type into the edit field. if you simply issue control I again, the field should close and you will be back in the general browser. Alt b does the same thing now, it toggles the search interface on and off. Unless you are describing some other behavior, that is the behavior I've seen in the latest update available from Firefox now in the about dialog. As I said, in the update I have. alt b now duplicates the action of control I when you hold alt and type b while doing so.

Also, if people don't know how to use the control I book marks search interface, that is one of the biggest advantages of Firefox unless you start talking about specialized add ons some people may really like.

If you issue the command control I and type a word or more than one word, then tab once, you will see one or more book marks. All folders are searched so you don't have to worry about where the book mark is.

I have a number of New York Times book marks. I don't want to bother organizing the order of book marks in the book marks menu. I simply type something to show me the result I want efficiently. There is a book mark that is titled Today's Paper. I don't type all that. I type apostrophe s then I space than I type pap as follows:
's pap
That's all I have to do. I tab once, I down arrow to select the only result, and I press enter.

I often use the menu if book marks are convenient to get to by qquickly arrowing to them or with first letter navigation. But anyone with more than a small number of book marks knows how limited these methods are to get to a lot of the book marks in the menu which aren't conveniently located to be moved to in these ways.

Also, after you press enter and are taken to the page, you can toggle off the interface with control I. You will be taken to the page and you won't know the interface is still opened. It doesn't automatically close and it doesn't get in the way of the page. But it's good to close it to reduce clutter when you move around the firefox interface and so that you won't have the annoying situation of intending to open the search feature with control I and have nothing appear to happen. If nothing appears to happen, that's very likely because you forgot to close it and you have just closed it now.

Gene
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Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 7:08 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken


It asked me this morning and I let it do it, and the result was that on
opening, with no keyboard input, a panel comes up about bookmarks, but its
not an html screen so no virtual buffers.
Slowly hitting tab eventually ends up in the browse mode on the page you
set up as start. However, whereas the previous 54 and 55 versions always go
into focus mode if this page is a search engine, in 56 this does not occur,
leaving you to figure out if its shifte or e to get to that field, then
press enter to get into it. Its all very inconvenient. I have never ever
seen this weird bookmark panel before. Its most certainly not the bookmark
list or toolbar as we have had previously, and indeed as I say, no keyboard
entry is needed to initiate it, its just there on start up.
I got so annoyed in trying to find a place to put it back as it was, I
decided life was too short and put in 54 as this is the last executable
archive I had.
Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 12:31 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken


Where have people got v56 from, because mine is 55.0.2.



Andrew
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken

I just installed 54 over it and its back as it was. Can anyone shed some
light on the new weird bookmarks panel that seems to be there by default?
Brian

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Subject: [nvda] Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken


It just did this and now it opens in some kind of bookmark panel.
One has to tab to find the actual displayed page. I am thinking this is a
Firefox bug. Toolbar for bookmarks is definitely off.

Anyone else noticed this?
Brian

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Gene
 

I had at first assumed this is a bug.  Maybe it's something the designers consider some sort of convenience feature.  Whatever it is, it should be removed.  It is very bad practice to have a short cut combination do one thing when the modifier is held and another when it isn't held.  The only other instance I know of this, and in this one case, it makes sense to make an exception. is that holding the Windows key and typing r opens the run dialog.  Pressing and releasing the Windows key opens the start menu.
 
But there is no justification for having alt b work differently in Firefox and it isn't proper design.
 

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 7:24 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken

If you use the command control I to open the bookmarks search field, NVDA automatically treats it as though it is in forms mode.  I don't know if it is, but it lets you type into the edit field.  if you simply issue control I again, the field should close and you will be back in the general browser.  Alt b does the same thing now, it toggles the search interface on and off.  Unless you are describing some other behavior, that is the behavior I've seen in the latest update available from Firefox now in the about dialog.  As I said, in the update I have. alt b now duplicates the action of control I when you hold alt and type b while doing so.
 
Also, if people don't know how to use the control I book marks search interface, that is one of the biggest advantages of Firefox unless you start talking about specialized add ons some people may really like.
 
If you issue the command control I and type a word or more than one word, then tab once, you will see one or more book marks.  All folders are searched so you don't have to worry about where the book mark is.
 
I have a number of New York Times book marks.  I don't want to bother organizing the order of book marks in the book marks menu.  I simply type something to show me the result I want efficiently.  There is a book mark that is titled Today's Paper.  I don't type all that.  I type apostrophe s then I space than I type pap as follows:
's pap
That's all I have to do.  I tab once, I down arrow to select the only result, and I press enter. 
 
I often use the menu if book marks are convenient to get to by qquickly arrowing to them or with first letter navigation.  But anyone with more than a small number of book marks knows how limited these methods are to get to a lot of the book marks in the menu which aren't conveniently located to be moved to in these ways.
 
Also, after you press enter and are taken to the page, you can toggle off the interface with control I.  You will be taken to the page and you won't know the interface is still opened.  It doesn't automatically close and it doesn't get in the way of the page.  But it's good to close it to reduce clutter when you move around the firefox interface and so that you won't have the annoying situation of intending to open the search feature with control I and have nothing appear to happen.  If nothing appears to happen, that's very likely because you forgot to close it and you have just closed it now.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 7:08 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken

It asked me this morning and I let it do it, and the result was that on
opening, with no keyboard input, a panel comes up about bookmarks, but its
not an html screen so no virtual buffers.
 Slowly hitting tab eventually ends up in the browse mode on the page you
set up as start. However, whereas the previous 54 and 55 versions  always go
into focus mode if this page is a search engine, in 56 this does not occur,
leaving you to figure out if its shifte or e to get to that field, then
press enter to get into it. Its all very inconvenient. I have never ever
seen this weird bookmark panel before. Its most certainly not the bookmark
list or toolbar as we have had previously, and indeed as I say, no keyboard
entry is needed to  initiate it, its just there on start up.
 I got so annoyed in trying to find a place to put it back as it was, I
decided life was too short and put in 54 as this is the last executable
archive I had.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew Summers via Groups.Io" <asummers112@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 12:31 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken


> Where have people got v56 from, because mine is 55.0.2.
>
>
>
> Andrew
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
> Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 11:56 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken
>
> I just installed 54 over it and its back as it was. Can anyone shed some
> light on the new weird bookmarks panel that seems to be there by default?
> Brian
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> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 11:30 AM
> Subject: [nvda] Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken
>
>
>> It just did this and now it opens in some kind of bookmark  panel.
>> One has to tab to find the actual displayed page. I am thinking this is a
>> Firefox bug. Toolbar for bookmarks is definitely off.
>>
>> Anyone else noticed this?
>> Brian
>>
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Gene
 

I'm not sure what you are seeing and it may be different than what I am describing.  Two different problems may exist in firefox.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 7:31 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken

The point is though, I have not issued ANY commands so this is not relevant
in this case.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 1:24 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken


If you use the command control I to open the bookmarks search field, NVDA
automatically treats it as though it is in forms mode.  I don't know if it
is, but it lets you type into the edit field.  if you simply issue control I
again, the field should close and you will be back in the general browser.
Alt b does the same thing now, it toggles the search interface on and off.
Unless you are describing some other behavior, that is the behavior I've
seen in the latest update available from Firefox now in the about dialog.
As I said, in the update I have. alt b now duplicates the action of control
I when you hold alt and type b while doing so.

Also, if people don't know how to use the control I book marks search
interface, that is one of the biggest advantages of Firefox unless you start
talking about specialized add ons some people may really like.

If you issue the command control I and type a word or more than one word,
then tab once, you will see one or more book marks.  All folders are
searched so you don't have to worry about where the book mark is.

I have a number of New York Times book marks.  I don't want to bother
organizing the order of book marks in the book marks menu.  I simply type
something to show me the result I want efficiently.  There is a book mark
that is titled Today's Paper.  I don't type all that.  I type apostrophe s
then I space than I type pap as follows:
's pap
That's all I have to do.  I tab once, I down arrow to select the only
result, and I press enter.

I often use the menu if book marks are convenient to get to by qquickly
arrowing to them or with first letter navigation.  But anyone with more than
a small number of book marks knows how limited these methods are to get to a
lot of the book marks in the menu which aren't conveniently located to be
moved to in these ways.

Also, after you press enter and are taken to the page, you can toggle off
the interface with control I.  You will be taken to the page and you won't
know the interface is still opened.  It doesn't automatically close and it
doesn't get in the way of the page.  But it's good to close it to reduce
clutter when you move around the firefox interface and so that you won't
have the annoying situation of intending to open the search feature with
control I and have nothing appear to happen.  If nothing appears to happen,
that's very likely because you forgot to close it and you have just closed
it now.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 7:08 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken


It asked me this morning and I let it do it, and the result was that on
opening, with no keyboard input, a panel comes up about bookmarks, but its
not an html screen so no virtual buffers.
 Slowly hitting tab eventually ends up in the browse mode on the page you
set up as start. However, whereas the previous 54 and 55 versions  always go
into focus mode if this page is a search engine, in 56 this does not occur,
leaving you to figure out if its shifte or e to get to that field, then
press enter to get into it. Its all very inconvenient. I have never ever
seen this weird bookmark panel before. Its most certainly not the bookmark
list or toolbar as we have had previously, and indeed as I say, no keyboard
entry is needed to  initiate it, its just there on start up.
 I got so annoyed in trying to find a place to put it back as it was, I
decided life was too short and put in 54 as this is the last executable
archive I had.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 12:31 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken


> Where have people got v56 from, because mine is 55.0.2.
>
>
>
> Andrew
> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 11:56 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken
>
> I just installed 54 over it and its back as it was. Can anyone shed some
> light on the new weird bookmarks panel that seems to be there by default?
> Brian
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> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 11:30 AM
> Subject: [nvda] Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken
>
>
>> It just did this and now it opens in some kind of bookmark  panel.
>> One has to tab to find the actual displayed page. I am thinking this is a
>> Firefox bug. Toolbar for bookmarks is definitely off.
>>
>> Anyone else noticed this?
>> Brian
>>
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Gene
 

Brian
It appears to me that you have signed up for gbeta releases.  Version 56 appears to be schuled for release in later September.  If this is correct and you are using a beta, I don't know where you report problems to Mozilla but most people here won't have your version, which will result in considerable confusion.
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 7:35 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken

I'm not sure what you are seeing and it may be different than what I am describing.  Two different problems may exist in firefox.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 7:31 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken

The point is though, I have not issued ANY commands so this is not relevant
in this case.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 1:24 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken


If you use the command control I to open the bookmarks search field, NVDA
automatically treats it as though it is in forms mode.  I don't know if it
is, but it lets you type into the edit field.  if you simply issue control I
again, the field should close and you will be back in the general browser.
Alt b does the same thing now, it toggles the search interface on and off.
Unless you are describing some other behavior, that is the behavior I've
seen in the latest update available from Firefox now in the about dialog.
As I said, in the update I have. alt b now duplicates the action of control
I when you hold alt and type b while doing so.

Also, if people don't know how to use the control I book marks search
interface, that is one of the biggest advantages of Firefox unless you start
talking about specialized add ons some people may really like.

If you issue the command control I and type a word or more than one word,
then tab once, you will see one or more book marks.  All folders are
searched so you don't have to worry about where the book mark is.

I have a number of New York Times book marks.  I don't want to bother
organizing the order of book marks in the book marks menu.  I simply type
something to show me the result I want efficiently.  There is a book mark
that is titled Today's Paper.  I don't type all that.  I type apostrophe s
then I space than I type pap as follows:
's pap
That's all I have to do.  I tab once, I down arrow to select the only
result, and I press enter.

I often use the menu if book marks are convenient to get to by qquickly
arrowing to them or with first letter navigation.  But anyone with more than
a small number of book marks knows how limited these methods are to get to a
lot of the book marks in the menu which aren't conveniently located to be
moved to in these ways.

Also, after you press enter and are taken to the page, you can toggle off
the interface with control I.  You will be taken to the page and you won't
know the interface is still opened.  It doesn't automatically close and it
doesn't get in the way of the page.  But it's good to close it to reduce
clutter when you move around the firefox interface and so that you won't
have the annoying situation of intending to open the search feature with
control I and have nothing appear to happen.  If nothing appears to happen,
that's very likely because you forgot to close it and you have just closed
it now.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 7:08 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken


It asked me this morning and I let it do it, and the result was that on
opening, with no keyboard input, a panel comes up about bookmarks, but its
not an html screen so no virtual buffers.
 Slowly hitting tab eventually ends up in the browse mode on the page you
set up as start. However, whereas the previous 54 and 55 versions  always go
into focus mode if this page is a search engine, in 56 this does not occur,
leaving you to figure out if its shifte or e to get to that field, then
press enter to get into it. Its all very inconvenient. I have never ever
seen this weird bookmark panel before. Its most certainly not the bookmark
list or toolbar as we have had previously, and indeed as I say, no keyboard
entry is needed to  initiate it, its just there on start up.
 I got so annoyed in trying to find a place to put it back as it was, I
decided life was too short and put in 54 as this is the last executable
archive I had.
 Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 12:31 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken


> Where have people got v56 from, because mine is 55.0.2.
>
>
>
> Andrew
> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 11:56 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken
>
> I just installed 54 over it and its back as it was. Can anyone shed some
> light on the new weird bookmarks panel that seems to be there by default?
> Brian
>
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> Subject: [nvda] Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken
>
>
>> It just did this and now it opens in some kind of bookmark  panel.
>> One has to tab to find the actual displayed page. I am thinking this is a
>> Firefox bug. Toolbar for bookmarks is definitely off.
>>
>> Anyone else noticed this?
>> Brian
>>
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