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Hi all, I am trying to get a student’s NVD to change pitch when she types a capital letter. I have set the pitch change all the way up to 100 and still there is no change. Of course I really don’t want the change at 100. I just kept trying different pitches. I have tried the pitch change with Neo speech kate, and Paul, eloquence And the default Easy speak. None make the pitch change when capitalizing. Can some one help? Thanks in advance.
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Try the access32 syn. The pitch change works with it.
On 8/21/2017 10:41 AM, Dan Thompson
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Hi all,
I am trying to get a student’s NVD to
change pitch when she types a capital letter. I have set the
pitch change all the way up to 100 and still there is no
change. Of course I really don’t want the change at 100. I
just kept trying different pitches. I have tried the pitch
change with Neo speech kate, and Paul, eloquence
And the default Easy speak.
None make the pitch change when
capitalizing. Can some one help?
Thanks in advance.
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but the pitch change should work with at least some
of the synthesizers mentioned. If you can't get it to work, beep when a
capital letter is typed may be a good option. I haven't played with it but
it may be the best compromise. I doubt you want cap spoken as the other
option does.
Gene
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Try the access32 syn. The pitch change works with it.
On 8/21/2017 10:41 AM, Dan Thompson wrote:
Hi all,
I am trying to get a student’s NVD to change pitch when she
types a capital letter. I have set the pitch change all the way up to
100 and still there is no change. Of course I really don’t want the
change at 100. I just kept trying different pitches. I have
tried the pitch change with Neo speech kate, and Paul,
eloquence
And the default Easy speak.
None make the pitch change when capitalizing. Can
some one help?
Thanks in advance.
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I found the same thing. I've filed a bug on our system ( https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/7514 for anyone interested).
In the meantime, the workarounds I found were:
- It seems to affect Microsoft OneCore and SAPI 5 voices. eSpeak at least seems to work fine for me. I'm not sure about other synthesizers. I just re-read your message though and you said eSpeak isn't working for you.
- In the Voice settings dialog - press NVDA+control+v, I found that if you set "Say cap before capitals", then it reads "cap" before any capital, but it also adjusts the pitch as per the pitch change setting above that. - Also in the Voice settings dialog, there is a "beep for capitals" option which does what it claims (although it doesn't "fix" the pitch).
Regards
Quentin.
On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 1:41 AM, Dan Thompson <dmt031073@...> wrote: Hi all, I am trying to get a student’s NVD to change pitch when she types a capital letter. I have set the pitch change all the way up to 100 and still there is no change. Of course I really don’t want the change at 100. I just kept trying different pitches. I have tried the pitch change with Neo speech kate, and Paul, eloquence And the default Easy speak. None make the pitch change when capitalizing. Can some one help? Thanks in advance.
-- Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager
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Thank you very much Quentin. I will turn on “say caps.”
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 6:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] voice pitch not changing when capitalizing a letter I found the same thing. I've filed a bug on our system (https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/7514 for anyone interested). In the meantime, the workarounds I found were: - It seems to affect Microsoft OneCore and SAPI 5 voices. eSpeak at least seems to work fine for me. I'm not sure about other synthesizers. I just re-read your message though and you said eSpeak isn't working for you. - In the Voice settings dialog - press NVDA+control+v, I found that if you set "Say cap before capitals", then it reads "cap" before any capital, but it also adjusts the pitch as per the pitch change setting above that. - Also in the Voice settings dialog, there is a "beep for capitals" option which does what it claims (although it doesn't "fix" the pitch). On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 1:41 AM, Dan Thompson <dmt031073@...> wrote: Hi all, I am trying to get a student’s NVD to change pitch when she types a capital letter. I have set the pitch change all the way up to 100 and still there is no change. Of course I really don’t want the change at 100. I just kept trying different pitches. I have tried the pitch change with Neo speech kate, and Paul, eloquence And the default Easy speak. None make the pitch change when capitalizing. Can some one help? Thanks in advance.
-- Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager
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Giles Turnbull
I don't know if other NVDA users have had different mileage to me, but I have the beep for caps option on, and it only beeps if I'm navigating letter by letter. The minute I go word by word or reading continuously, there are no beeps for capitals.
The same is true with the Say Cap before capitals option. I use the Microsoft Zera voice and normally only using the default pitch change of 30 for caps, but when I increased it to 100 for testing purposes just now, it is very evident in the pitch change ... again, however, this effect is only noticed when going letter by letter and, I discover, only when the Say Cap before Capitals option is checked.
I'd quite like to hear that capital pitch change when reading a document from top to bottom, such as a page of a newspaper, but it's of little use if you only get it navigating character by character and, for me, without the Say Cap before Capitals setting needing to be active. Is that something that lies in the hands of the voice maker, or could NVDA be tweeked to extend this?
Giles
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NVDA doesn't indicate capital letters when reading by word, line or anything other than spelling or moving by character. The beep only occurs when typing characters or reading with left and right arrow. The pitch change does occur, but it can be hard to distinguish. I'd recommend setting it to about 50% or -50%. The reason that is clearer when say cap before capital is checked is because the voice processes more speech, thus the pitch change can occur in the middle of speech. I wouldn't say it's of no use. In fact, it is good for proofreading purposes, which is the main reason why something like this is incorporated. Why would a basic user turn on beeps for capitals to hear it in Say all? I doubt adding a function like this would make it to NVDA core. Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: Giles TurnbullSent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 8:44 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.ioSubject: Re: [nvda] voice pitch not changing when capitalizing a letter I don't know if other NVDA users have had different mileage to me, but I have the beep for caps option on, and it only beeps if I'm navigating letter by letter. The minute I go word by word or reading continuously, there are no beeps for capitals.
The same is true with the Say Cap before capitals option. I use the Microsoft Zera voice and normally only using the default pitch change of 30 for caps, but when I increased it to 100 for testing purposes just now, it is very evident in the pitch change ... again, however, this effect is only noticed when going letter by letter and, I discover, only when the Say Cap before Capitals option is checked.
I'd quite like to hear that capital pitch change when reading a document from top to bottom, such as a page of a newspaper, but it's of little use if you only get it navigating character by character and, for me, without the Say Cap before Capitals setting needing to be active. Is that something that lies in the hands of the voice maker, or could NVDA be tweeked to extend this?
Giles
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But when proofreading a document, someone might
want capitals indicated in some way when using say all or when reading by
line. Especially since, in my experience, the shift doesn't always work
even when pushed correctly. On at least three computers, with different
keyboards, I've noticed things not capitalized when looking over something I've
written and there is no question that I've pushed the shift key with plenty of
force while typing. All modes, say cap, pitch change, and beep should be
able to be turned on however reading is being done. A lot of users might
not want to use this feature and it might be better to have it in a general
setting that causes other things to be announced such as attributes while
reading in all ways as well. This setting might be called something like
proofreading and you could indicate when working with parameters for that
setting in a dialog what you want on and off. But some provision should be
made for hearing such things during extended reading and reading by
line.
Gene
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Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 9:04 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] voice pitch not changing when capitalizing a
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NVDA doesn't indicate capital letters when reading by word,
line or anything other than spelling or moving by character. The beep only
occurs when typing characters or reading with left and right arrow.
The pitch change does occur, but it can be hard to
distinguish. I'd recommend setting it to about 50% or -50%. The reason that is
clearer when say cap before capital is checked is because the voice processes
more speech, thus the pitch change can occur in the middle of speech.
I wouldn't say it's of no use. In fact, it is good for
proofreading purposes, which is the main reason why something like this is
incorporated. Why would a basic user turn on beeps for capitals to hear it in
Say all? I doubt adding a function like this would make it to NVDA core.
Sent from Mail for Windows
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I don't know if other NVDA users have had different mileage
to me, but I have the beep for caps option on, and it only beeps if I'm
navigating letter by letter. The minute I go word by word or reading
continuously, there are no beeps for capitals.
The same is true with the
Say Cap before capitals option. I use the Microsoft Zera voice and normally only
using the default pitch change of 30 for caps, but when I increased it to 100
for testing purposes just now, it is very evident in the pitch change ... again,
however, this effect is only noticed when going letter by letter and, I
discover, only when the Say Cap before Capitals option is checked.
I'd
quite like to hear that capital pitch change when reading a document from top to
bottom, such as a page of a newspaper, but it's of little use if you only get it
navigating character by character and, for me, without the Say Cap before
Capitals setting needing to be active. Is that something that lies in the hands
of the voice maker, or could NVDA be tweeked to extend this?
Giles
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Giles Turnbull
I agree that it's when I'm proof reading that I find the beep for capitals helpful. I have a configuration profile for editing documents before I submit them anywhere, in which I have the punctuation level set to all, and slow the speed down a little, and it would be helpful to have the beep for a capital sounding as I move through the document line by line, rather than having to navigate to the specific place where there should be a capital letter so I can hear the beep as I move by character.
I don't believe the change in pitch for capitals is audible at all unless the Say Cap for Capitals seting is on. Even with it set to 100, I don't hear any change in pitch with Microsoft Zira voice without that audible Cap announcement and, for me, that's more of a distraction than it's worth when I'm editing.
Giles
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If change in pitch isn't audible unless some other
indication is on, that is a bug and evidently is now being looked into.
Gene
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Subject: Re: [nvda] voice pitch not changing when capitalizing a
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I agree that it's when I'm proof reading that I find the beep for
capitals helpful. I have a configuration profile for editing documents before I
submit them anywhere, in which I have the punctuation level set to all, and slow
the speed down a little, and it would be helpful to have the beep for a capital
sounding as I move through the document line by line, rather than having to
navigate to the specific place where there should be a capital letter so I can
hear the beep as I move by character. I don't believe the change in pitch
for capitals is audible at all unless the Say Cap for Capitals seting is on.
Even with it set to 100, I don't hear any change in pitch with Microsoft Zira
voice without that audible Cap announcement and, for me, that's more of a
distraction than it's worth when I'm editing. Giles
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Hi,
I think this is a legitimate enhancement request, so I’m going to check to see if there is an issue on the GitHub site that addresses it, and if not, put it out there.
Thanks.
jim
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Team Lead and Accessibility Consultant,
Bender HighTest Accessibility Team
Bender Consulting Services, Inc.,
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io]
On Behalf Of Giles Turnbull
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 2:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] voice pitch not changing when capitalizing a letter
I agree that it's when I'm proof reading that I find the beep for capitals helpful. I have a configuration profile for editing documents before I submit them anywhere, in which I have the punctuation level set to
all, and slow the speed down a little, and it would be helpful to have the beep for a capital sounding as I move through the document line by line, rather than having to navigate to the specific place where there should be a capital letter so I can hear the
beep as I move by character.
I don't believe the change in pitch for capitals is audible at all unless the Say Cap for Capitals seting is on. Even with it set to 100, I don't hear any change in pitch with Microsoft Zira voice without that audible Cap announcement and, for me, that's more
of a distraction than it's worth when I'm editing.
Giles
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Hi,
I subscribed to this list in the middle of this conversation, so please forgive me for asking this.
Can the person who had the problem please give me steps to reproduce? For instance, I may be using a different synthesizer or voice or program or keyboard or whatever, and
I won’t be able to produce the issue. The more specific, the easier it is going to be to enter the bug and get a fix.
Thanks.
Jim
==========
Jim Homme,
Team Lead and Accessibility Consultant,
Bender HighTest Accessibility Team
Bender Consulting Services, Inc.,
412-787-8567,
jhomme@...
http://www.benderconsult.com/our%20services/hightest-accessible-technology-solutions
E+R=O
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io]
On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 2:25 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] voice pitch not changing when capitalizing a letter
If change in pitch isn't audible unless some other indication is on, that is a bug and evidently is now being looked into.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 1:19 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] voice pitch not changing when
capitalizing a letter
I agree that it's when I'm proof reading that I find the beep for capitals helpful. I have a configuration profile for editing documents before I submit them anywhere, in which I have the punctuation level set to
all, and slow the speed down a little, and it would be helpful to have the beep for a capital sounding as I move through the document line by line, rather than having to navigate to the specific place where there should be a capital letter so I can hear the
beep as I move by character.
I don't believe the change in pitch for capitals is audible at all unless the Say Cap for Capitals seting is on. Even with it set to 100, I don't hear any change in pitch with Microsoft Zira voice without that audible Cap announcement and, for me, that's more
of a distraction than it's worth when I'm editing.
Giles
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Giles Turnbull
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 1:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] voice pitch not changing when capitalizing a letter I agree that it's when I'm proof reading that I find the beep for capitals helpful. I have a configuration profile for editing documents before I submit them anywhere, in which I have the punctuation level set to all, and slow the speed down a little, and it would be helpful to have the beep for a capital sounding as I move through the document line by line, rather than having to navigate to the specific place where there should be a capital letter so I can hear the beep as I move by character.
I don't believe the change in pitch for capitals is audible at all unless the Say Cap for Capitals seting is on. Even with it set to 100, I don't hear any change in pitch with Microsoft Zira voice without that audible Cap announcement and, for me, that's more of a distraction than it's worth when I'm editing.
Giles
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Hi Jim,
NVDA has a voice settings option called "capital pitch change percentage". The idea being that as you are typing or reading letter by letter, capital letters are read in a higher (or lower) pitch to distinguish them. There are several other options for distinguishing capitals, being to beep or to read "cap", all of which can be set independently of each other.
The issue is that when using either OneCore or SAPI voices, the capital pitch change option is ignored UNLESS say cap is also checked - and then it does both.
Using eSpeak, the options all work as they should (capitals are indicated by pitch change even without say cap checked). I'm not sure about other synthesizers.
Regards
Quentin.
On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 4:27 AM, Jim Homme <jhomme@...> wrote:
Hi,
I subscribed to this list in the middle of this conversation, so please forgive me for asking this.
Can the person who had the problem please give me steps to reproduce? For instance, I may be using a different synthesizer or voice or program or keyboard or whatever, and
I won’t be able to produce the issue. The more specific, the easier it is going to be to enter the bug and get a fix.
Thanks.
Jim
If change in pitch isn't audible unless some other indication is on, that is a bug and evidently is now being looked into.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 1:19 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] voice pitch not changing when
capitalizing a letter
I agree that it's when I'm proof reading that I find the beep for capitals helpful. I have a configuration profile for editing documents before I submit them anywhere, in which I have the punctuation level set to
all, and slow the speed down a little, and it would be helpful to have the beep for a capital sounding as I move through the document line by line, rather than having to navigate to the specific place where there should be a capital letter so I can hear the
beep as I move by character.
I don't believe the change in pitch for capitals is audible at all unless the Say Cap for Capitals seting is on. Even with it set to 100, I don't hear any change in pitch with Microsoft Zira voice without that audible Cap announcement and, for me, that's more
of a distraction than it's worth when I'm editing.
Giles
-- Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager
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hi quentin.
i tested sapi5 version of espeak and i dont have this problem with it.
i dont like the quality of pitch changes in espeak sapi5 and set it to 0.
i also set 0% pitch change in espeak normal and checked say cap before it.
thanks so much and God bless you.
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On 8/23/17, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote: Hi Jim,
NVDA has a voice settings option called "capital pitch change percentage".
The idea being that as you are typing or reading letter by letter, capital
letters are read in a higher (or lower) pitch to distinguish them. There
are several other options for distinguishing capitals, being to beep or to
read "cap", all of which can be set independently of each other.
The issue is that when using either OneCore or SAPI voices, the capital
pitch change option is ignored UNLESS say cap is also checked - and then it
does both.
Using eSpeak, the options all work as they should (capitals are indicated
by pitch change even without say cap checked). I'm not sure about other
synthesizers.
The issue I filed is: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/7514
Regards
Quentin.
On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 4:27 AM, Jim Homme <jhomme@...>
wrote:
Hi,
I subscribed to this list in the middle of this conversation, so please
forgive me for asking this.
Can the person who had the problem please give me steps to reproduce? For
instance, I may be using a different synthesizer or voice or program or
keyboard or whatever, and I won’t be able to produce the issue. The more
specific, the easier it is going to be to enter the bug and get a fix.
Thanks.
Jim
==========
Jim Homme,
Team Lead and Accessibility Consultant,
Bender HighTest Accessibility Team
Bender Consulting Services, Inc.,
412-787-8567 <(412)%20787-8567>,
jhomme@...
http://www.benderconsult.com/our%20services/hightest-
accessible-technology-solutions
E+R=O
*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *
Gene
*Sent:* Tuesday, August 22, 2017 2:25 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] voice pitch not changing when capitalizing a letter
If change in pitch isn't audible unless some other indication is on, that
is a bug and evidently is now being looked into.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Giles Turnbull <giles.turnbull@...>
*Sent:* Tuesday, August 22, 2017 1:19 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] voice pitch not changing when capitalizing a letter
I agree that it's when I'm proof reading that I find the beep for
capitals
helpful. I have a configuration profile for editing documents before I
submit them anywhere, in which I have the punctuation level set to all,
and
slow the speed down a little, and it would be helpful to have the beep
for
a capital sounding as I move through the document line by line, rather
than
having to navigate to the specific place where there should be a capital
letter so I can hear the beep as I move by character.
I don't believe the change in pitch for capitals is audible at all unless
the Say Cap for Capitals seting is on. Even with it set to 100, I don't
hear any change in pitch with Microsoft Zira voice without that audible
Cap
announcement and, for me, that's more of a distraction than it's worth
when
I'm editing.
Giles
--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available:
http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
Ph +61 7 3149 3306
www.nvaccess.org
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
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we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org
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eSpeak is the default synthesizer that comes with NVDA. If you go into the synthesizer dialog - NVDA+control+s, you can change to other synthesizers you have on your system. Microsoft Speech API Version 5 (and on XP Microsoft Speech API Version 4) are different to eSpeak.
I'm glad the conversation found you a useful setting in any case!
Regards
Quentin.
On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 12:59 PM, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote: hi quentin.
i tested sapi5 version of espeak and i dont have this problem with it.
i dont like the quality of pitch changes in espeak sapi5 and set it to 0.
i also set 0% pitch change in espeak normal and checked say cap before it.
thanks so much and God bless you.
On 8/23/17, Quentin Christensen < quentin@...> wrote:
> Hi Jim,
>
> NVDA has a voice settings option called "capital pitch change percentage".
> The idea being that as you are typing or reading letter by letter, capital
> letters are read in a higher (or lower) pitch to distinguish them. There
> are several other options for distinguishing capitals, being to beep or to
> read "cap", all of which can be set independently of each other.
>
> The issue is that when using either OneCore or SAPI voices, the capital
> pitch change option is ignored UNLESS say cap is also checked - and then it
> does both.
>
> Using eSpeak, the options all work as they should (capitals are indicated
> by pitch change even without say cap checked). I'm not sure about other
> synthesizers.
>
> The issue I filed is: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/7514
>
> Regards
>
> Quentin.
>
> On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 4:27 AM, Jim Homme < jhomme@...>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I subscribed to this list in the middle of this conversation, so please
>> forgive me for asking this.
>>
>>
>>
>> Can the person who had the problem please give me steps to reproduce? For
>> instance, I may be using a different synthesizer or voice or program or
>> keyboard or whatever, and I won’t be able to produce the issue. The more
>> specific, the easier it is going to be to enter the bug and get a fix.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>>
>> Jim
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ==========
>>
>> Jim Homme,
>>
>> Team Lead and Accessibility Consultant,
>>
>> Bender HighTest Accessibility Team
>>
>> Bender Consulting Services, Inc.,
>>
>>
>> jhomme@...
>>
>> http://www.benderconsult.com/our%20services/hightest-
>> accessible-technology-solutions
>>
>> E+R=O
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *
>> Gene
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 22, 2017 2:25 PM
>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] voice pitch not changing when capitalizing a letter
>>
>>
>>
>> If change in pitch isn't audible unless some other indication is on, that
>> is a bug and evidently is now being looked into.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Gene
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Giles Turnbull <giles.turnbull@...>
>>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 22, 2017 1:19 PM
>>
>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] voice pitch not changing when capitalizing a letter
>>
>>
>>
>> I agree that it's when I'm proof reading that I find the beep for
>> capitals
>> helpful. I have a configuration profile for editing documents before I
>> submit them anywhere, in which I have the punctuation level set to all,
>> and
>> slow the speed down a little, and it would be helpful to have the beep
>> for
>> a capital sounding as I move through the document line by line, rather
>> than
>> having to navigate to the specific place where there should be a capital
>> letter so I can hear the beep as I move by character.
>>
>> I don't believe the change in pitch for capitals is audible at all unless
>> the Say Cap for Capitals seting is on. Even with it set to 100, I don't
>> hear any change in pitch with Microsoft Zira voice without that audible
>> Cap
>> announcement and, for me, that's more of a distraction than it's worth
>> when
>> I'm editing.
>>
>> Giles
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Quentin Christensen
> Training and Support Manager
>
> Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available:
> http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>
> Ph +61 7 3149 3306
> www.nvaccess.org
> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
> Twitter: @NVAccess
>
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org
-- Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager
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quentin, i also installed sapi5 version of espeak, beside espeak which
is used in nvda and pitch change works for me with bad quality of
capital letters.
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On 8/23/17, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote: eSpeak is the default synthesizer that comes with NVDA. If you go into the
synthesizer dialog - NVDA+control+s, you can change to other synthesizers
you have on your system. Microsoft Speech API Version 5 (and on XP
Microsoft Speech API Version 4) are different to eSpeak.
I'm glad the conversation found you a useful setting in any case!
Regards
Quentin.
On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 12:59 PM, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@...>
wrote:
hi quentin.
i tested sapi5 version of espeak and i dont have this problem with it.
i dont like the quality of pitch changes in espeak sapi5 and set it to 0.
i also set 0% pitch change in espeak normal and checked say cap before
it.
thanks so much and God bless you.
On 8/23/17, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
Hi Jim,
NVDA has a voice settings option called "capital pitch change percentage".
The idea being that as you are typing or reading letter by letter, capital
letters are read in a higher (or lower) pitch to distinguish them.
There
are several other options for distinguishing capitals, being to beep or to
read "cap", all of which can be set independently of each other.
The issue is that when using either OneCore or SAPI voices, the capital
pitch change option is ignored UNLESS say cap is also checked - and
then it
does both.
Using eSpeak, the options all work as they should (capitals are
indicated
by pitch change even without say cap checked). I'm not sure about
other
synthesizers.
The issue I filed is: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/7514
Regards
Quentin.
On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 4:27 AM, Jim Homme <jhomme@...>
wrote:
Hi,
I subscribed to this list in the middle of this conversation, so
please
forgive me for asking this.
Can the person who had the problem please give me steps to reproduce? For
instance, I may be using a different synthesizer or voice or program
or
keyboard or whatever, and I won’t be able to produce the issue. The
more
specific, the easier it is going to be to enter the bug and get a fix.
Thanks.
Jim
==========
Jim Homme,
Team Lead and Accessibility Consultant,
Bender HighTest Accessibility Team
Bender Consulting Services, Inc.,
412-787-8567 <(412)%20787-8567>,
jhomme@...
http://www.benderconsult.com/our%20services/hightest-
accessible-technology-solutions
E+R=O
*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of
*
Gene
*Sent:* Tuesday, August 22, 2017 2:25 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] voice pitch not changing when capitalizing a
letter
If change in pitch isn't audible unless some other indication is on,
that
is a bug and evidently is now being looked into.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Giles Turnbull <giles.turnbull@...>
*Sent:* Tuesday, August 22, 2017 1:19 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] voice pitch not changing when capitalizing a
letter
I agree that it's when I'm proof reading that I find the beep for
capitals
helpful. I have a configuration profile for editing documents before I
submit them anywhere, in which I have the punctuation level set to
all,
and
slow the speed down a little, and it would be helpful to have the beep
for
a capital sounding as I move through the document line by line, rather
than
having to navigate to the specific place where there should be a
capital
letter so I can hear the beep as I move by character.
I don't believe the change in pitch for capitals is audible at all
unless
the Say Cap for Capitals seting is on. Even with it set to 100, I
don't
hear any change in pitch with Microsoft Zira voice without that
audible
Cap
announcement and, for me, that's more of a distraction than it's worth
when
I'm editing.
Giles
--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now
available:
http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
Ph +61 7 3149 3306
www.nvaccess.org
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess
--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org
--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available:
http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
Ph +61 7 3149 3306
www.nvaccess.org
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess
--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org
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Oh OK, I must admit I hadn't looked too much into what other versions of eSpeak where available to download, I apologise! Interesting, maybe it is something which either doesn't affect XP, or only affects certain SAPI voices.
On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 7:07 PM, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote: quentin, i also installed sapi5 version of espeak, beside espeak which
is used in nvda and pitch change works for me with bad quality of
capital letters.
On 8/23/17, Quentin Christensen < quentin@...> wrote:
> eSpeak is the default synthesizer that comes with NVDA. If you go into the
> synthesizer dialog - NVDA+control+s, you can change to other synthesizers
> you have on your system. Microsoft Speech API Version 5 (and on XP
> Microsoft Speech API Version 4) are different to eSpeak.
>
> I'm glad the conversation found you a useful setting in any case!
>
> Regards
>
> Quentin.
>
> On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 12:59 PM, nasrin khaksar < nasrinkhaksar3@...>
> wrote:
>
>> hi quentin.
>> i tested sapi5 version of espeak and i dont have this problem with it.
>> i dont like the quality of pitch changes in espeak sapi5 and set it to 0.
>> i also set 0% pitch change in espeak normal and checked say cap before
>> it.
>> thanks so much and God bless you.
>>
>> On 8/23/17, Quentin Christensen < quentin@...> wrote:
>> > Hi Jim,
>> >
>> > NVDA has a voice settings option called "capital pitch change
>> percentage".
>> > The idea being that as you are typing or reading letter by letter,
>> capital
>> > letters are read in a higher (or lower) pitch to distinguish them.
>> > There
>> > are several other options for distinguishing capitals, being to beep or
>> to
>> > read "cap", all of which can be set independently of each other.
>> >
>> > The issue is that when using either OneCore or SAPI voices, the capital
>> > pitch change option is ignored UNLESS say cap is also checked - and
>> > then
>> it
>> > does both.
>> >
>> > Using eSpeak, the options all work as they should (capitals are
>> > indicated
>> > by pitch change even without say cap checked). I'm not sure about
>> > other
>> > synthesizers.
>> >
>> > The issue I filed is: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/7514
>> >
>> > Regards
>> >
>> > Quentin.
>> >
>> > On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 4:27 AM, Jim Homme < jhomme@...>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hi,
>> >>
>> >> I subscribed to this list in the middle of this conversation, so
>> >> please
>> >> forgive me for asking this.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Can the person who had the problem please give me steps to reproduce?
>> For
>> >> instance, I may be using a different synthesizer or voice or program
>> >> or
>> >> keyboard or whatever, and I won’t be able to produce the issue. The
>> >> more
>> >> specific, the easier it is going to be to enter the bug and get a fix.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Thanks.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Jim
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ==========
>> >>
>> >> Jim Homme,
>> >>
>> >> Team Lead and Accessibility Consultant,
>> >>
>> >> Bender HighTest Accessibility Team
>> >>
>> >> Bender Consulting Services, Inc.,
>> >>
>> >> 412-787-8567 <(412)%20787-8567>,
>> >>
>> >> jhomme@...
>> >>
>> >> http://www.benderconsult.com/our%20services/hightest-
>> >> accessible-technology- solutions
>> >>
>> >> E+R=O
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> *From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto: nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of
>> *
>> >> Gene
>> >> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 22, 2017 2:25 PM
>> >> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> >> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] voice pitch not changing when capitalizing a
>> letter
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> If change in pitch isn't audible unless some other indication is on,
>> that
>> >> is a bug and evidently is now being looked into.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Gene
>> >>
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> *From:* Giles Turnbull < giles.turnbull@...>
>> >>
>> >> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 22, 2017 1:19 PM
>> >>
>> >> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> >>
>> >> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] voice pitch not changing when capitalizing a
>> letter
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I agree that it's when I'm proof reading that I find the beep for
>> >> capitals
>> >> helpful. I have a configuration profile for editing documents before I
>> >> submit them anywhere, in which I have the punctuation level set to
>> >> all,
>> >> and
>> >> slow the speed down a little, and it would be helpful to have the beep
>> >> for
>> >> a capital sounding as I move through the document line by line, rather
>> >> than
>> >> having to navigate to the specific place where there should be a
>> >> capital
>> >> letter so I can hear the beep as I move by character.
>> >>
>> >> I don't believe the change in pitch for capitals is audible at all
>> unless
>> >> the Say Cap for Capitals seting is on. Even with it set to 100, I
>> >> don't
>> >> hear any change in pitch with Microsoft Zira voice without that
>> >> audible
>> >> Cap
>> >> announcement and, for me, that's more of a distraction than it's worth
>> >> when
>> >> I'm editing.
>> >>
>> >> Giles
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Quentin Christensen
>> > Training and Support Manager
>> >
>> > Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now
>> > available:
>> > http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>> >
>> > Ph +61 7 3149 3306
>> > www.nvaccess.org
>> > Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
>> > Twitter: @NVAccess
>> >
>>
>>
>> --
>> we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
>> holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
>> in the very authentic narration is:
>> imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
>> best website for studying islamic book in different languages
>> al-islam.org
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Quentin Christensen
> Training and Support Manager
>
> Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available:
> http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>
> Ph +61 7 3149 3306
> www.nvaccess.org
> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
> Twitter: @NVAccess
>
--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org
-- Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager
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i downloaded sapi5 from
www.espeak.sf.net
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On 8/23/17, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote: Oh OK, I must admit I hadn't looked too much into what other versions of
eSpeak where available to download, I apologise! Interesting, maybe it is
something which either doesn't affect XP, or only affects certain SAPI
voices.
On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 7:07 PM, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@...>
wrote:
quentin, i also installed sapi5 version of espeak, beside espeak which
is used in nvda and pitch change works for me with bad quality of
capital letters.
On 8/23/17, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
eSpeak is the default synthesizer that comes with NVDA. If you go into the
synthesizer dialog - NVDA+control+s, you can change to other
synthesizers
you have on your system. Microsoft Speech API Version 5 (and on XP
Microsoft Speech API Version 4) are different to eSpeak.
I'm glad the conversation found you a useful setting in any case!
Regards
Quentin.
On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 12:59 PM, nasrin khaksar < nasrinkhaksar3@...>
wrote:
hi quentin.
i tested sapi5 version of espeak and i dont have this problem with it.
i dont like the quality of pitch changes in espeak sapi5 and set it to 0.
i also set 0% pitch change in espeak normal and checked say cap before
it.
thanks so much and God bless you.
On 8/23/17, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
Hi Jim,
NVDA has a voice settings option called "capital pitch change percentage".
The idea being that as you are typing or reading letter by letter, capital
letters are read in a higher (or lower) pitch to distinguish them.
There
are several other options for distinguishing capitals, being to beep
or
to
read "cap", all of which can be set independently of each other.
The issue is that when using either OneCore or SAPI voices, the
capital
pitch change option is ignored UNLESS say cap is also checked - and
then it
does both.
Using eSpeak, the options all work as they should (capitals are
indicated
by pitch change even without say cap checked). I'm not sure about
other
synthesizers.
The issue I filed is: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/7514
Regards
Quentin.
On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 4:27 AM, Jim Homme
<jhomme@...>
wrote:
Hi,
I subscribed to this list in the middle of this conversation, so
please
forgive me for asking this.
Can the person who had the problem please give me steps to
reproduce? For
instance, I may be using a different synthesizer or voice or
program
or
keyboard or whatever, and I won’t be able to produce the issue. The
more
specific, the easier it is going to be to enter the bug and get a
fix.
Thanks.
Jim
==========
Jim Homme,
Team Lead and Accessibility Consultant,
Bender HighTest Accessibility Team
Bender Consulting Services, Inc.,
412-787-8567 <(412)%20787-8567>,
jhomme@...
http://www.benderconsult.com/our%20services/hightest-
accessible-technology-solutions
E+R=O
*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf
Of
*
Gene
*Sent:* Tuesday, August 22, 2017 2:25 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] voice pitch not changing when capitalizing a
letter
If change in pitch isn't audible unless some other indication is
on,
that
is a bug and evidently is now being looked into.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Giles Turnbull <giles.turnbull@...>
*Sent:* Tuesday, August 22, 2017 1:19 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] voice pitch not changing when capitalizing a
letter
I agree that it's when I'm proof reading that I find the beep for
capitals
helpful. I have a configuration profile for editing documents
before
I
submit them anywhere, in which I have the punctuation level set to
all,
and
slow the speed down a little, and it would be helpful to have the
beep
for
a capital sounding as I move through the document line by line,
rather
than
having to navigate to the specific place where there should be a
capital
letter so I can hear the beep as I move by character.
I don't believe the change in pitch for capitals is audible at all
unless
the Say Cap for Capitals seting is on. Even with it set to 100, I
don't
hear any change in pitch with Microsoft Zira voice without that
audible
Cap
announcement and, for me, that's more of a distraction than it's
worth
when
I'm editing.
Giles
--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now
available:
http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
Ph +61 7 3149 3306
www.nvaccess.org
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess
--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org
--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now
available:
http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
Ph +61 7 3149 3306
www.nvaccess.org
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess
--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org
--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available:
http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
Ph +61 7 3149 3306
www.nvaccess.org
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess
--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org
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