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Hello All:
I can't believe the level of "whining" that is going on in regards to NVDA dropping support for older versions of Windows!
Can't you people understand that it has become a great security risk to keep on supporting versions of Windows which Microsoft themselves will no longer support and recommend that users of older versions to upgrade!
You are not only doing harm to your own PC's. But! Every time you get online with unsecure Windows you are also spreading whatever viruses are in your PC's throughout the internet!
If you are unable to upgrade for monetary reasons? There are many ways to buy legal license keys for Windows 7/e/8.1/10.
If you need to upgrade to a new PC? There are several organizations that sells refurbished PC's for the blind. As well as for poor people in general!
Here in the U.S. GoodWill, The Salvation Army and Computers for the Blind sell good computers with Windows 7 installed. I believe the same applies for the U.K., Asia and other far away land.
If your idea for not upgrading is that you don't want to give your money to Microsoft? Then turn off your PC and hide under your bed and hope and pray that Microsoft does not go into the furniture business!
It's all a matter of being a well informed blind person!
You need to get out there and find out all you can so you will be able to make an well informed decision about which PC is right for you!
Don't be spreading your viruses by using unsecure PC's just because you are afraid of learning the new technology!!!
I will now get ready by putting on my fire resistant suit as I begin to read all your flaming posts/replies!
Have lots of fun at my expense!!!
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Lino Morales <linomorales001@...>
Amen Carlos! Now for coperate America should read your post cause they themselves use XP. I.E major banks.
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On 8/31/2017 1:45 PM, Carlos wrote: Hello All:
I can't believe the level of "whining" that is going on in regards to NVDA dropping support for older versions of Windows!
Can't you people understand that it has become a great security risk to keep on supporting versions of Windows which Microsoft themselves will no longer support and recommend that users of older versions to upgrade!
You are not only doing harm to your own PC's. But! Every time you get online with unsecure Windows you are also spreading whatever viruses are in your PC's throughout the internet!
If you are unable to upgrade for monetary reasons? There are many ways to buy legal license keys for Windows 7/e/8.1/10.
If you need to upgrade to a new PC? There are several organizations that sells refurbished PC's for the blind. As well as for poor people in general!
Here in the U.S. GoodWill, The Salvation Army and Computers for the Blind sell good computers with Windows 7 installed. I believe the same applies for the U.K., Asia and other far away land.
If your idea for not upgrading is that you don't want to give your money to Microsoft? Then turn off your PC and hide under your bed and hope and pray that Microsoft does not go into the furniture business!
It's all a matter of being a well informed blind person!
You need to get out there and find out all you can so you will be able to make an well informed decision about which PC is right for you!
Don't be spreading your viruses by using unsecure PC's just because you are afraid of learning the new technology!!!
I will now get ready by putting on my fire resistant suit as I begin to read all your flaming posts/replies!
Have lots of fun at my expense!!!
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That's right. I'm learning what I can before I dive into Ten. I know sooner or later 7 is not going to be supported! Is windows ten the last version of windows that Microsoft will make?
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-----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lino Morales Sent: August-31-17 10:53 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Windows older versions Amen Carlos! Now for coperate America should read your post cause they themselves use XP. I.E major banks. On 8/31/2017 1:45 PM, Carlos wrote: Hello All:
I can't believe the level of "whining" that is going on in regards
to NVDA dropping support for older versions of Windows!
Can't you people understand that it has become a great security
risk to keep on supporting versions of Windows which Microsoft
themselves will no longer support and recommend that users of older
versions to upgrade!
You are not only doing harm to your own PC's. But! Every time you
get online with unsecure Windows you are also spreading whatever
viruses are in your PC's throughout the internet!
If you are unable to upgrade for monetary reasons? There are many
ways to buy legal license keys for Windows 7/e/8.1/10.
If you need to upgrade to a new PC? There are several
organizations that sells refurbished PC's for the blind. As well as
for poor people in general!
Here in the U.S. GoodWill, The Salvation Army and Computers for
the Blind sell good computers with Windows 7 installed. I believe the
same applies for the U.K., Asia and other far away land.
If your idea for not upgrading is that you don't want to give your
money to Microsoft? Then turn off your PC and hide under your bed and
hope and pray that Microsoft does not go into the furniture business!
It's all a matter of being a well informed blind person!
You need to get out there and find out all you can so you will be
able to make an well informed decision about which PC is right for you!
Don't be spreading your viruses by using unsecure PC's just
because you are afraid of learning the new technology!!!
I will now get ready by putting on my fire resistant suit as I
begin to read all your flaming posts/replies!
Have lots of fun at my expense!!!
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Hi!
As far as I can tell Windows 10 will be the last version as far as the naming is concerned.
It will be Windows 10 with fancy names like Creators Update and the upcoming Fall Creators update.
Hope I've been able to help you out!
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On 8/31/2017 11:25 AM, Arlene wrote: That's right. I'm learning what I can before I dive into Ten. I know sooner or later 7 is not going to be supported! Is windows ten the last version of windows that Microsoft will make?
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lino Morales
Sent: August-31-17 10:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Windows older versions
Amen Carlos! Now for coperate America should read your post cause they themselves use XP. I.E major banks.
On 8/31/2017 1:45 PM, Carlos wrote:
Hello All:
I can't believe the level of "whining" that is going on in regards
to NVDA dropping support for older versions of Windows!
Can't you people understand that it has become a great security
risk to keep on supporting versions of Windows which Microsoft
themselves will no longer support and recommend that users of older
versions to upgrade!
You are not only doing harm to your own PC's. But! Every time you
get online with unsecure Windows you are also spreading whatever
viruses are in your PC's throughout the internet!
If you are unable to upgrade for monetary reasons? There are many
ways to buy legal license keys for Windows 7/e/8.1/10.
If you need to upgrade to a new PC? There are several
organizations that sells refurbished PC's for the blind. As well as
for poor people in general!
Here in the U.S. GoodWill, The Salvation Army and Computers for
the Blind sell good computers with Windows 7 installed. I believe the
same applies for the U.K., Asia and other far away land.
If your idea for not upgrading is that you don't want to give your
money to Microsoft? Then turn off your PC and hide under your bed and
hope and pray that Microsoft does not go into the furniture business!
It's all a matter of being a well informed blind person!
You need to get out there and find out all you can so you will be
able to make an well informed decision about which PC is right for you!
Don't be spreading your viruses by using unsecure PC's just
because you are afraid of learning the new technology!!!
I will now get ready by putting on my fire resistant suit as I
begin to read all your flaming posts/replies!
Have lots of fun at my expense!!!
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Oh okay. Just wanted to know.
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-----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos Sent: August-31-17 11:32 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Windows older versions Hi! As far as I can tell Windows 10 will be the last version as far as the naming is concerned. It will be Windows 10 with fancy names like Creators Update and the upcoming Fall Creators update. Hope I've been able to help you out! On 8/31/2017 11:25 AM, Arlene wrote: That's right. I'm learning what I can before I dive into Ten. I know sooner or later 7 is not going to be supported! Is windows ten the last version of windows that Microsoft will make?
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Lino Morales
Sent: August-31-17 10:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Windows older versions
Amen Carlos! Now for coperate America should read your post cause they themselves use XP. I.E major banks.
On 8/31/2017 1:45 PM, Carlos wrote:
Hello All:
I can't believe the level of "whining" that is going on in
regards to NVDA dropping support for older versions of Windows!
Can't you people understand that it has become a great security
risk to keep on supporting versions of Windows which Microsoft
themselves will no longer support and recommend that users of older
versions to upgrade!
You are not only doing harm to your own PC's. But! Every time
you get online with unsecure Windows you are also spreading whatever
viruses are in your PC's throughout the internet!
If you are unable to upgrade for monetary reasons? There are
many ways to buy legal license keys for Windows 7/e/8.1/10.
If you need to upgrade to a new PC? There are several
organizations that sells refurbished PC's for the blind. As well as
for poor people in general!
Here in the U.S. GoodWill, The Salvation Army and Computers for
the Blind sell good computers with Windows 7 installed. I believe
the same applies for the U.K., Asia and other far away land.
If your idea for not upgrading is that you don't want to give
your money to Microsoft? Then turn off your PC and hide under your
bed and hope and pray that Microsoft does not go into the furniture business!
It's all a matter of being a well informed blind person!
You need to get out there and find out all you can so you will
be able to make an well informed decision about which PC is right for you!
Don't be spreading your viruses by using unsecure PC's just
because you are afraid of learning the new technology!!!
I will now get ready by putting on my fire resistant suit as I
begin to read all your flaming posts/replies!
Have lots of fun at my expense!!!
-- Carlos Gonzalez - Los Angeles, CA. - gmjc341961@...
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Yes. They will just keep adding new features.
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On 8/31/2017 2:25 PM, Arlene wrote: That's right. I'm learning what I can before I dive into Ten. I know sooner or later 7 is not going to be supported! Is windows ten the last version of windows that Microsoft will make?
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lino Morales
Sent: August-31-17 10:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Windows older versions
Amen Carlos! Now for coperate America should read your post cause they themselves use XP. I.E major banks.
On 8/31/2017 1:45 PM, Carlos wrote:
Hello All:
I can't believe the level of "whining" that is going on in regards
to NVDA dropping support for older versions of Windows!
Can't you people understand that it has become a great security
risk to keep on supporting versions of Windows which Microsoft
themselves will no longer support and recommend that users of older
versions to upgrade!
You are not only doing harm to your own PC's. But! Every time you
get online with unsecure Windows you are also spreading whatever
viruses are in your PC's throughout the internet!
If you are unable to upgrade for monetary reasons? There are many
ways to buy legal license keys for Windows 7/e/8.1/10.
If you need to upgrade to a new PC? There are several
organizations that sells refurbished PC's for the blind. As well as
for poor people in general!
Here in the U.S. GoodWill, The Salvation Army and Computers for
the Blind sell good computers with Windows 7 installed. I believe the
same applies for the U.K., Asia and other far away land.
If your idea for not upgrading is that you don't want to give your
money to Microsoft? Then turn off your PC and hide under your bed and
hope and pray that Microsoft does not go into the furniture business!
It's all a matter of being a well informed blind person!
You need to get out there and find out all you can so you will be
able to make an well informed decision about which PC is right for you!
Don't be spreading your viruses by using unsecure PC's just
because you are afraid of learning the new technology!!!
I will now get ready by putting on my fire resistant suit as I
begin to read all your flaming posts/replies!
Have lots of fun at my expense!!!
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Well that's with Microsoft says. Until the next version comes out.!
David Tanner
From my iPhone 7
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On Aug 31, 2017, at 1:52 PM, Lino Morales <linomorales001@...> wrote:
Yes. They will just keep adding new features.
On 8/31/2017 2:25 PM, Arlene wrote:
That's right. I'm learning what I can before I dive into Ten. I know sooner or later 7 is not going to be supported! Is windows ten the last version of windows that Microsoft will make?
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lino Morales
Sent: August-31-17 10:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Windows older versions
Amen Carlos! Now for coperate America should read your post cause they themselves use XP. I.E major banks.
On 8/31/2017 1:45 PM, Carlos wrote:
Hello All:
I can't believe the level of "whining" that is going on in regards
to NVDA dropping support for older versions of Windows!
Can't you people understand that it has become a great security
risk to keep on supporting versions of Windows which Microsoft
themselves will no longer support and recommend that users of older
versions to upgrade!
You are not only doing harm to your own PC's. But! Every time you
get online with unsecure Windows you are also spreading whatever
viruses are in your PC's throughout the internet!
If you are unable to upgrade for monetary reasons? There are many
ways to buy legal license keys for Windows 7/e/8.1/10.
If you need to upgrade to a new PC? There are several
organizations that sells refurbished PC's for the blind. As well as
for poor people in general!
Here in the U.S. GoodWill, The Salvation Army and Computers for
the Blind sell good computers with Windows 7 installed. I believe the
same applies for the U.K., Asia and other far away land.
If your idea for not upgrading is that you don't want to give your
money to Microsoft? Then turn off your PC and hide under your bed and
hope and pray that Microsoft does not go into the furniture business!
It's all a matter of being a well informed blind person!
You need to get out there and find out all you can so you will be
able to make an well informed decision about which PC is right for you!
Don't be spreading your viruses by using unsecure PC's just
because you are afraid of learning the new technology!!!
I will now get ready by putting on my fire resistant suit as I
begin to read all your flaming posts/replies!
Have lots of fun at my expense!!!
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it won't be called windows any more though. they will probably have some new buzz word.
Since they seem to be obsessed with bits of buildings, IE apartments and bungalows etc all of which have windows, perhaps since everything is going to be in the Cloud soon, we need types of wither next time?
How about Microsofts new
microclimat system? :-)
I'm sure there are many more versions of 10 to come though. I would however like to suggest they do not call this next update Fall.
Its not Fall in Australia or new Zealand, and in any case most of us in the northern hemisphere call it autumn.
What about Stakeholder edition?
You hold the stake and I'll....
Sorry lost the thread there for a moment, sorry.
Brian
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----- Original Message ----- From: "David Tanner" <david.tanner100@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Friday, September 01, 2017 1:46 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Windows older versions Well that's with Microsoft says. Until the next version comes out.! David Tanner From my iPhone 7 On Aug 31, 2017, at 1:52 PM, Lino Morales <linomorales001@...> wrote:
Yes. They will just keep adding new features.
On 8/31/2017 2:25 PM, Arlene wrote:
That's right. I'm learning what I can before I dive into Ten. I know sooner or later 7 is not going to be supported! Is windows ten the last version of windows that Microsoft will make?
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lino Morales
Sent: August-31-17 10:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Windows older versions
Amen Carlos! Now for coperate America should read your post cause they themselves use XP. I.E major banks.
On 8/31/2017 1:45 PM, Carlos wrote:
Hello All:
I can't believe the level of "whining" that is going on in regards
to NVDA dropping support for older versions of Windows!
Can't you people understand that it has become a great security
risk to keep on supporting versions of Windows which Microsoft
themselves will no longer support and recommend that users of older
versions to upgrade!
You are not only doing harm to your own PC's. But! Every time you
get online with unsecure Windows you are also spreading whatever
viruses are in your PC's throughout the internet!
If you are unable to upgrade for monetary reasons? There are many
ways to buy legal license keys for Windows 7/e/8.1/10.
If you need to upgrade to a new PC? There are several
organizations that sells refurbished PC's for the blind. As well as
for poor people in general!
Here in the U.S. GoodWill, The Salvation Army and Computers for
the Blind sell good computers with Windows 7 installed. I believe the
same applies for the U.K., Asia and other far away land.
If your idea for not upgrading is that you don't want to give your
money to Microsoft? Then turn off your PC and hide under your bed and
hope and pray that Microsoft does not go into the furniture business!
It's all a matter of being a well informed blind person!
You need to get out there and find out all you can so you will be
able to make an well informed decision about which PC is right for you!
Don't be spreading your viruses by using unsecure PC's just
because you are afraid of learning the new technology!!!
I will now get ready by putting on my fire resistant suit as I
begin to read all your flaming posts/replies!
Have lots of fun at my expense!!!
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i realy cant and dont want to use any version than xp forever! its realy impossible for me for the reasons that i cant explane! its desision of any person to choose his her operating system. please stop insulting others for there privacy and the reason that you dont know! On 9/1/17, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists@...> wrote: it won't be called windows any more though. they will probably have some new
buzz word.
Since they seem to be obsessed with bits of buildings, IE apartments and
bungalows etc all of which have windows, perhaps since everything is going
to be in the Cloud soon, we need types of wither next time?
How about Microsofts new
microclimat system? :-)
I'm sure there are many more versions of 10 to come though. I would however
like to suggest they do not call this next update Fall.
Its not Fall in Australia or new Zealand, and in any case most of us in the
northern hemisphere call it autumn.
What about Stakeholder edition?
You hold the stake and I'll....
Sorry lost the thread there for a moment, sorry.
Brian
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From: "David Tanner" <david.tanner100@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, September 01, 2017 1:46 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Windows older versions
Well that's with Microsoft says. Until the next version comes out.!
David Tanner
From my iPhone 7
On Aug 31, 2017, at 1:52 PM, Lino Morales <linomorales001@...>
wrote:
Yes. They will just keep adding new features.
On 8/31/2017 2:25 PM, Arlene wrote:
That's right. I'm learning what I can before I dive into Ten. I know
sooner or later 7 is not going to be supported! Is windows ten the last
version of windows that Microsoft will make?
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lino
Morales
Sent: August-31-17 10:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Windows older versions
Amen Carlos! Now for coperate America should read your post cause they
themselves use XP. I.E major banks.
On 8/31/2017 1:45 PM, Carlos wrote:
Hello All:
I can't believe the level of "whining" that is going on in regards
to NVDA dropping support for older versions of Windows!
Can't you people understand that it has become a great security
risk to keep on supporting versions of Windows which Microsoft
themselves will no longer support and recommend that users of older
versions to upgrade!
You are not only doing harm to your own PC's. But! Every time you
get online with unsecure Windows you are also spreading whatever
viruses are in your PC's throughout the internet!
If you are unable to upgrade for monetary reasons? There are many
ways to buy legal license keys for Windows 7/e/8.1/10.
If you need to upgrade to a new PC? There are several
organizations that sells refurbished PC's for the blind. As well as
for poor people in general!
Here in the U.S. GoodWill, The Salvation Army and Computers for
the Blind sell good computers with Windows 7 installed. I believe the
same applies for the U.K., Asia and other far away land.
If your idea for not upgrading is that you don't want to give your
money to Microsoft? Then turn off your PC and hide under your bed and
hope and pray that Microsoft does not go into the furniture business!
It's all a matter of being a well informed blind person!
You need to get out there and find out all you can so you will be
able to make an well informed decision about which PC is right for you!
Don't be spreading your viruses by using unsecure PC's just
because you are afraid of learning the new technology!!!
I will now get ready by putting on my fire resistant suit as I
begin to read all your flaming posts/replies!
Have lots of fun at my expense!!!
-- we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation. holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107. in the very authentic narration is: imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation. best website for studying islamic book in different languages al-islam.org
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Hi, Carlos,
Wow, I couldn't have said it any better! Maybe these people who refuse to change need to go hide in a cave somewhere. My very first computer was from Computers for the Blind in Texas. I got that in 2003. It was a windows 98 computer. Two years later I upgraded to XP with the help of one of my nephews. He actually had the computer custom-built for me. I had that one until 2011 when I upgraded to windows 7. Just last year I bought this computer with windows 10 already installed on it. Yes, there are many ways to get a new or refurvished computer if you really want one bad enough. I'll go ya one better. I wasn't too lazy to go out and look for sales. Like the old saying goes, where there's a will, there's a way. I'll get off of my soap box now.
Rosemarie
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 10:46 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and Windows older versions
Hello All:
I can't believe the level of "whining" that is going on in regards to NVDA dropping support for older versions of Windows!
Can't you people understand that it has become a great security risk to keep on supporting versions of Windows which Microsoft themselves will no longer support and recommend that users of older versions to upgrade!
You are not only doing harm to your own PC's. But! Every time you get online with unsecure Windows you are also spreading whatever viruses are in your PC's throughout the internet!
If you are unable to upgrade for monetary reasons? There are many ways to buy legal license keys for Windows 7/e/8.1/10.
If you need to upgrade to a new PC? There are several organizations that sells refurbished PC's for the blind. As well as for poor people in general!
Here in the U.S. GoodWill, The Salvation Army and Computers for the Blind sell good computers with Windows 7 installed. I believe the same applies for the U.K., Asia and other far away land.
If your idea for not upgrading is that you don't want to give your money to Microsoft? Then turn off your PC and hide under your bed and hope and pray that Microsoft does not go into the furniture business!
It's all a matter of being a well informed blind person!
You need to get out there and find out all you can so you will be able to make an well informed decision about which PC is right for you!
Don't be spreading your viruses by using unsecure PC's just because you are afraid of learning the new technology!!!
I will now get ready by putting on my fire resistant suit as I begin to read all your flaming posts/replies!
Have lots of fun at my expense!!!
--
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I think how you view this depends very much on your circumstances and availability and affordability of new gear.
Hear in the UK we may often bemoan the cuts to benefits etc and say we are poor, but we are rich compared to some parts of the world, and that is why some still use XP.
I don't think, in a perfect world that NV Access would want to make things harder for those in the most need, but one has to cut ones cloth according to your needs, and in this case being as the latest nvda is now very capable indeed and XP is old and slow and has fewer programs whose latest versions work on it. The writing on the wall has eventually to be read and understood. after all it does not mean that anyone is going to take away your working copy, or indeed that you cannot ask here if there are issues you need to have resolved, as hopefully enough xp users are here to help out.
Its just that you cannot do everything, can you?
I hope I've covered all sides here. I think really it is probably precisely because nobody wanted to drop xp that the sudden drop has occurred. If it had been planned it could have been done with less issues to those running snapshots on XP, but even I have managed to recover things from the mess, so it turned out just to be a corrupted update of some kind. It is a salutary warning to us all though that its a very good idea to make a portable copy of nvda complete with the set up and add ons you use, so you can easily recover once you get the machine to reboot again.
I would also suggest that you use Espeak in any copy, no matter what synth you have in the installed version though, as its more likely to work correctly on a machine which might have had some corruption to it.
Brian
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From: "Rosemarie Chavarria" <knitqueen2007@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, September 01, 2017 7:30 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Windows older versions
Hi, Carlos,
Wow, I couldn't have said it any better! Maybe these people who refuse to change need to go hide in a cave somewhere. My very first computer was from Computers for the Blind in Texas. I got that in 2003. It was a windows 98 computer. Two years later I upgraded to XP with the help of one of my nephews. He actually had the computer custom-built for me. I had that one until 2011 when I upgraded to windows 7. Just last year I bought this computer with windows 10 already installed on it. Yes, there are many ways to get a new or refurvished computer if you really want one bad enough. I'll go ya one better. I wasn't too lazy to go out and look for sales. Like the old saying goes, where there's a will, there's a way. I'll get off of my soap box now.
Rosemarie
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 10:46 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and Windows older versions
Hello All:
I can't believe the level of "whining" that is going on in regards to NVDA dropping support for older versions of Windows!
Can't you people understand that it has become a great security risk to keep on supporting versions of Windows which Microsoft themselves will no longer support and recommend that users of older versions to upgrade!
You are not only doing harm to your own PC's. But! Every time you get online with unsecure Windows you are also spreading whatever viruses are in your PC's throughout the internet!
If you are unable to upgrade for monetary reasons? There are many ways to buy legal license keys for Windows 7/e/8.1/10.
If you need to upgrade to a new PC? There are several organizations that sells refurbished PC's for the blind. As well as for poor people in general!
Here in the U.S. GoodWill, The Salvation Army and Computers for the Blind sell good computers with Windows 7 installed. I believe the same applies for the U.K., Asia and other far away land.
If your idea for not upgrading is that you don't want to give your money to Microsoft? Then turn off your PC and hide under your bed and hope and pray that Microsoft does not go into the furniture business!
It's all a matter of being a well informed blind person!
You need to get out there and find out all you can so you will be able to make an well informed decision about which PC is right for you!
Don't be spreading your viruses by using unsecure PC's just because you are afraid of learning the new technology!!!
I will now get ready by putting on my fire resistant suit as I begin to read all your flaming posts/replies!
Have lots of fun at my expense!!!
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Carlos Gonzalez - Los Angeles, CA. - gmjc341961@...
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i only use espeak, dont have any synthesizers. thanks again brian for your support. i told that i know one computer engineer that can resolve the issues to not drop xp. for example: has a solution for avoiding rewrite of appModules for xp users whome uia is not supported! On 9/1/17, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists@...> wrote: I think how you view this depends very much on your circumstances and
availability and affordability of new gear.
Hear in the UK we may often bemoan the cuts to benefits etc and say we are
poor, but we are rich compared to some parts of the world, and that is why
some still use XP.
I don't think, in a perfect world that NV Access would want to make things
harder for those in the most need, but one has to cut ones cloth according
to your needs, and in this case being as the latest nvda is now very
capable indeed and XP is old and slow and has fewer programs whose latest
versions work on it. The writing on the wall has eventually to be read and
understood. after all it does not mean that anyone is going to take away
your working copy, or indeed that you cannot ask here if there are issues
you need to have resolved, as hopefully enough xp users are here to help
out.
Its just that you cannot do everything, can you?
I hope I've covered all sides here. I think really it is probably precisely
because nobody wanted to drop xp that the sudden drop has occurred. If it
had been planned it could have been done with less issues to those running
snapshots on XP, but even I have managed to recover things from the mess, so
it turned out just to be a corrupted update of some kind. It is a salutary
warning to us all though that its a very good idea to make a portable copy
of nvda complete with the set up and add ons you use, so you can easily
recover once you get the machine to reboot again.
I would also suggest that you use Espeak in any copy, no matter what synth
you have in the installed version though, as its more likely to work
correctly on a machine which might have had some corruption to it.
Brian
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Rosemarie Chavarria" <knitqueen2007@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, September 01, 2017 7:30 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Windows older versions
Hi, Carlos,
Wow, I couldn't have said it any better! Maybe these people who refuse to
change need to go hide in a cave somewhere. My very first computer was from
Computers for the Blind in Texas. I got that in 2003. It was a windows 98
computer. Two years later I upgraded to XP with the help of one of my
nephews. He actually had the computer custom-built for me. I had that one
until 2011 when I upgraded to windows 7. Just last year I bought this
computer with windows 10 already installed on it. Yes, there are many ways
to get a new or refurvished computer if you really want one bad enough. I'll
go ya one better. I wasn't too lazy to go out and look for sales. Like the
old saying goes, where there's a will, there's a way. I'll get off of my
soap box now.
Rosemarie
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 10:46 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and Windows older versions
Hello All:
I can't believe the level of "whining" that is going on in regards to
NVDA dropping support for older versions of Windows!
Can't you people understand that it has become a great security risk to
keep on supporting versions of Windows which Microsoft themselves will no
longer support and recommend that users of older versions to upgrade!
You are not only doing harm to your own PC's. But! Every time you get
online with unsecure Windows you are also spreading whatever viruses are in
your PC's throughout the internet!
If you are unable to upgrade for monetary reasons? There are many ways
to buy legal license keys for Windows 7/e/8.1/10.
If you need to upgrade to a new PC? There are several organizations
that sells refurbished PC's for the blind. As well as for poor people in
general!
Here in the U.S. GoodWill, The Salvation Army and Computers for the
Blind sell good computers with Windows 7 installed. I believe the same
applies for the U.K., Asia and other far away land.
If your idea for not upgrading is that you don't want to give your
money to Microsoft? Then turn off your PC and hide under your bed and hope
and pray that Microsoft does not go into the furniture business!
It's all a matter of being a well informed blind person!
You need to get out there and find out all you can so you will be able
to make an well informed decision about which PC is right for you!
Don't be spreading your viruses by using unsecure PC's just because you
are afraid of learning the new technology!!!
I will now get ready by putting on my fire resistant suit as I begin to
read all your flaming posts/replies!
Have lots of fun at my expense!!!
--
Carlos Gonzalez - Los Angeles, CA. - gmjc341961@...
-- we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation. holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107. in the very authentic narration is: imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation. best website for studying islamic book in different languages al-islam.org
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I don't know how anyone can characterize anyone dropping support for Windows XP or Vista at this point in time "sudden" in any way. When I go back over the last several years of development plans and announcements for virtually any software you can name there have been not just indications, but clear statements, that support was going to be dropped and that planning around that should begin. For those using either of those two versions of Windows that planning means having copies of the last suitable version for that platform for any software they intend to use. This is neither sudden nor is it the responsibility of software developers to maintain eternal backward compatibility. I still have one laptop that runs Windows XP and does just fine using the software that was written to be compatible with XP that's on it. The same should be true if you have the final screen reader (or any other type of software) version for any that were compatible with Windows XP or Vista. That's my responsibility as the end user of an operating system that's been out of official support for eight, heading into 9 years for XP, somewhat less for Vista. If you can't afford new gear it's not like you are just out of luck. You will be stuck with the last versions of software compatible with your system. NVDA 2017.3 can hardly be described as woefully inadequate as a screen reader, and that's what you'll have. -- Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1703, Build 15063 (dot level on request - it changes too often to keep in signature)
The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth.
~ Niels Bohr
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On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 10:59 pm, zahra wrote:
i realy cant and dont want to use any version than xp forever!
Then you must understand that choices have consequences. Your choice has consequences. You bear responsibility for that choice. Please stop demanding that software companies continue to support an operating system that its own maker has not supported for 8 plus years now. This is what is known as a completely unreasonable demand and expectation. It is not ever going to be met, nor should it be. -- Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1703, Build 15063 (dot level on request - it changes too often to keep in signature)
The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth.
~ Niels Bohr
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Well we shouldn't complain, apple is the only company staying with conventions.
Look at android.
Different sweets, bars, and the like.
The next one is going to be after a biscuit.
But who is counting the names?
So far we have had marshmellows, lollypops on sticks nugar bars kitcat bars and now orio biscuits.
So as I said windows doing this is not bad, android is naming all the time.
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On 1/09/2017 4:37 p.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote: it won't be called windows any more though. they will probably have some new buzz word.
Since they seem to be obsessed with bits of buildings, IE apartments and bungalows etc all of which have windows, perhaps since everything is going to be in the Cloud soon, we need types of wither next time?
How about Microsofts new
microclimat system? :-)
I'm sure there are many more versions of 10 to come though. I would however like to suggest they do not call this next update Fall.
Its not Fall in Australia or new Zealand, and in any case most of us in the northern hemisphere call it autumn.
What about Stakeholder edition?
You hold the stake and I'll....
Sorry lost the thread there for a moment, sorry.
Brian
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----- Original Message ----- From: "David Tanner" <david.tanner100@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, September 01, 2017 1:46 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Windows older versions
Well that's with Microsoft says. Until the next version comes out.!
David Tanner
From my iPhone 7 On Aug 31, 2017, at 1:52 PM, Lino Morales <linomorales001@...> wrote:
Yes. They will just keep adding new features.
On 8/31/2017 2:25 PM, Arlene wrote:
That's right. I'm learning what I can before I dive into Ten. I know sooner or later 7 is not going to be supported! Is windows ten the last version of windows that Microsoft will make?
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lino Morales
Sent: August-31-17 10:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Windows older versions
Amen Carlos! Now for coperate America should read your post cause they themselves use XP. I.E major banks.
On 8/31/2017 1:45 PM, Carlos wrote:
Hello All:
I can't believe the level of "whining" that is going on in regards
to NVDA dropping support for older versions of Windows!
Can't you people understand that it has become a great security
risk to keep on supporting versions of Windows which Microsoft
themselves will no longer support and recommend that users of older
versions to upgrade!
You are not only doing harm to your own PC's. But! Every time you
get online with unsecure Windows you are also spreading whatever
viruses are in your PC's throughout the internet!
If you are unable to upgrade for monetary reasons? There are many
ways to buy legal license keys for Windows 7/e/8.1/10.
If you need to upgrade to a new PC? There are several
organizations that sells refurbished PC's for the blind. As well as
for poor people in general!
Here in the U.S. GoodWill, The Salvation Army and Computers for
the Blind sell good computers with Windows 7 installed. I believe the
same applies for the U.K., Asia and other far away land.
If your idea for not upgrading is that you don't want to give your
money to Microsoft? Then turn off your PC and hide under your bed and
hope and pray that Microsoft does not go into the furniture business!
It's all a matter of being a well informed blind person!
You need to get out there and find out all you can so you will be
able to make an well informed decision about which PC is right for you!
Don't be spreading your viruses by using unsecure PC's just
because you are afraid of learning the new technology!!!
I will now get ready by putting on my fire resistant suit as I
begin to read all your flaming posts/replies!
Have lots of fun at my expense!!!
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The only reason that I can think of of not upgrading to Windows 10 is if you really don't want Microsoft to spy on you. But for not upgrading to Windows 7? I can't think of any valid reasons...there are second hand Windows 7 computers available at local department stores at cheap prices. Even my desktop which I got in 2011 with 8GB of RAM and 3.3GHZ Intel Core I5 costs less than 30000 Thai baht (might be even less than 25000 Thai baht).
I still like XP though; it's the first OS that I remember using as a child. I have a Windows XP virtual machine set up so that I can play with it whenever I want, without damaging my actual computer.
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Amen, Brian. If he gets a virus or malware, he has nobody to blame but himself. Like they say, either go with the flow or get left behind. Rosemarie
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, September 1, 2017 1:18 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Windows older versions On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 10:59 pm, zahra wrote: i realy cant and dont want to use any version than xp forever!
Then you must understand that choices have consequences. Your choice has consequences. You bear responsibility for that choice.
Please stop demanding that software companies continue to support an operating system that its own maker has not supported for 8 plus years now. This is what is known as a completely unreasonable demand and expectation. It is not ever going to be met, nor should it be.
--
Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1703, Build 15063 (dot level on request - it changes too often to keep in signature) The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth. ~ Niels Bohr
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Well I do think this spying thing is a bit to overboard.
Privacy is so overboard all the world is cloud based its everyone watching everyones back.
The only times its bad is.1. you do something bad, like really bad bad enough for people to notice.
2. you get hacked and that can happen to just about anyone so its not a real big reason.
3. if something screws up.
I have had it where I was going away on a trip and had to do the government benifit thing filling out how long I would be away to make sure things went right and I didn't get cut off.
Came back to find that I had been cut off.
Rang the people and they said there was a system crash and my data was never filed.
So the system sent a message but as I was way below the cut off date they didn't deem it necessary to do much about it.
The result of that was that I got a few useless messages from a system.
In a more extreme case though we lost all net service for a while because a cloud datacentre just happened to have a drive failier which shut down a lot of things.
But the thing is things are changing.
This spying lark well you can adjust the settings but I put it like the y2k thing.
There are movies about y2k being an apocolipse.
A lot of programs were released to counter y2k, the same goes for spying, and you can turn a lot of stuff off including cortana and windows update which is spying as well as a lot of windows things as long as you pay the programmer and maybe get spyware in your system.
Even if you don't use the net yourself you will encounter it from time to time from government to well banks.
You can't avoid it just continue as you are.
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On 2/09/2017 1:03 p.m., Supanut Leepaisomboon wrote: The only reason that I can think of of not upgrading to Windows 10 is if you really don't want Microsoft to spy on you. But for not upgrading to Windows 7? I can't think of any valid reasons...there are second hand Windows 7 computers available at local department stores at cheap prices. Even my desktop which I got in 2011 with 8GB of RAM and 3.3GHZ Intel Core I5 costs less than 30000 Thai baht (might be even less than 25000 Thai baht).
I still like XP though; it's the first OS that I remember using as a child. I have a Windows XP virtual machine set up so that I can play with it whenever I want, without damaging my actual computer.
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i agree with you about privacy.
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On 9/2/17, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote: Well I do think this spying thing is a bit to overboard.
Privacy is so overboard all the world is cloud based its everyone
watching everyones back.
The only times its bad is.1. you do something bad, like really bad bad
enough for people to notice.
2. you get hacked and that can happen to just about anyone so its not a
real big reason.
3. if something screws up.
I have had it where I was going away on a trip and had to do the
government benifit thing filling out how long I would be away to make
sure things went right and I didn't get cut off.
Came back to find that I had been cut off.
Rang the people and they said there was a system crash and my data was
never filed.
So the system sent a message but as I was way below the cut off date
they didn't deem it necessary to do much about it.
The result of that was that I got a few useless messages from a system.
In a more extreme case though we lost all net service for a while
because a cloud datacentre just happened to have a drive failier which
shut down a lot of things.
But the thing is things are changing.
This spying lark well you can adjust the settings but I put it like the
y2k thing.
There are movies about y2k being an apocolipse.
A lot of programs were released to counter y2k, the same goes for
spying, and you can turn a lot of stuff off including cortana and
windows update which is spying as well as a lot of windows things as
long as you pay the programmer and maybe get spyware in your system.
Even if you don't use the net yourself you will encounter it from time
to time from government to well banks.
You can't avoid it just continue as you are.
On 2/09/2017 1:03 p.m., Supanut Leepaisomboon wrote:
The only reason that I can think of of not upgrading to Windows 10 is if
you really don't want Microsoft to spy on you. But for not upgrading to
Windows 7? I can't think of any valid reasons...there are second hand
Windows 7 computers available at local department stores at cheap prices.
Even my desktop which I got in 2011 with 8GB of RAM and 3.3GHZ Intel Core
I5 costs less than 30000 Thai baht (might be even less than 25000 Thai
baht).
I still like XP though; it's the first OS that I remember using as a
child. I have a Windows XP virtual machine set up so that I can play with
it whenever I want, without damaging my actual computer.
--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org
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But just because Microsoft collect usage information should not be why you shouldn't stay away from Windows 10. I agree that this privacy concern is too...over exaggerated.
Going back to the subject of old unsupported Windows versions...if I am in a situation where my Windows XP machine is too ancient to run even Windows 7, I'd get a second hand desktop that already comes with Windows 7 SP1, which is much cheaper. This way I could continue to update NVDA and other programs and also receive security patches from Microsoft.
But to be honest, my experience with recent versions of NVDA on Windows 7 is that...there's not much difference at all. This is because most of the bug fixes and new features are aimed at users of Windows 10. Soon Windows 7 will meet the same fate as Windows XP as end of life for Windows 7 is only a few years away.
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