list boxes in NVDA


Ian Westerland
 

Hello. So far so good. NVDA is working out nicely. One area causing some difficulty is around list boxes.

I use a home delivery service for some meals and they have a ratings system to fill in after each order to help with Restaurant ratings.

NVDA doesn't seem to find the list boxes and doesn't speak the numbers in the boxes for me to complete the review.

There are three list boxes plus an area for a short written review. I can acess the written review section but not the other three boxes or the numbers in them.
Is there something I am doing wrong?

Thank you.


Ian Westerland


Antony Stone
 

Is this an online web page, a PDF they send you, a Word document, or what?

Is there any way we can see the ratings system without being a customer?

It always helps if we can see the same things as you're having problems with
so we can think of possible answers.


Antony.

On Wednesday 11 October 2017 at 11:10:20, Ian Westerland wrote:

Hello. So far so good. NVDA is working out nicely. One area causing
some difficulty is around list boxes.

I use a home delivery service for some meals and they have a ratings
system to fill in after each order to help with Restaurant ratings.

NVDA doesn't seem to find the list boxes and doesn't speak the numbers
in the boxes for me to complete the review.

There are three list boxes plus an area for a short written review. I
can acess the written review section but not the other three boxes or
the numbers in them.
Is there something I am doing wrong?

Thank you.


Ian Westerland
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Ian Westerland
 

Hi Antony.
It's an online review page.

On 10/11/2017 8:12 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
Is this an online web page, a PDF they send you, a Word document, or what?
Is there any way we can see the ratings system without being a customer?
It always helps if we can see the same things as you're having problems with
so we can think of possible answers.
Antony.
On Wednesday 11 October 2017 at 11:10:20, Ian Westerland wrote:

Hello. So far so good. NVDA is working out nicely. One area causing
some difficulty is around list boxes.

I use a home delivery service for some meals and they have a ratings
system to fill in after each order to help with Restaurant ratings.

NVDA doesn't seem to find the list boxes and doesn't speak the numbers
in the boxes for me to complete the review.

There are three list boxes plus an area for a short written review. I
can acess the written review section but not the other three boxes or
the numbers in them.
Is there something I am doing wrong?

Thank you.


Ian Westerland


Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Do you know for sure what the listboxes are in a control form. you could try single letter nav and see if perhaps they appear as buttons that open as lists or combo boxes. I've noted this kind of ambiguity before on web sites.

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Ian Westerland" <iwesterl@bigpond.net.au>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 10:10 AM
Subject: [nvda] list boxes in NVDA


Hello. So far so good. NVDA is working out nicely. One area causing some difficulty is around list boxes.

I use a home delivery service for some meals and they have a ratings system to fill in after each order to help with Restaurant ratings.

NVDA doesn't seem to find the list boxes and doesn't speak the numbers in the boxes for me to complete the review.

There are three list boxes plus an area for a short written review. I can acess the written review section but not the other three boxes or the numbers in them.
Is there something I am doing wrong?

Thank you.


Ian Westerland





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What browser version has to be the next question.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Ian Westerland" <iwesterl@bigpond.net.au>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 10:15 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] list boxes in NVDA


Hi Antony.
It's an online review page.





On 10/11/2017 8:12 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
Is this an online web page, a PDF they send you, a Word document, or what?

Is there any way we can see the ratings system without being a customer?

It always helps if we can see the same things as you're having problems with
so we can think of possible answers.


Antony.

On Wednesday 11 October 2017 at 11:10:20, Ian Westerland wrote:

Hello. So far so good. NVDA is working out nicely. One area causing
some difficulty is around list boxes.

I use a home delivery service for some meals and they have a ratings
system to fill in after each order to help with Restaurant ratings.

NVDA doesn't seem to find the list boxes and doesn't speak the numbers
in the boxes for me to complete the review.

There are three list boxes plus an area for a short written review. I
can acess the written review section but not the other three boxes or
the numbers in them.
Is there something I am doing wrong?

Thank you.


Ian Westerland


Ian Westerland
 

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Westerland" <iwesterl@bigpond.net.au>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 10:15 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] list boxes in NVDA

Hi Antony.
It's an online review page.





On 10/11/2017 8:12 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
Is this an online web page, a PDF they send you, a Word document, or what?

Is there any way we can see the ratings system without being a customer?

It always helps if we can see the same things as you're having problems with
so we can think of possible answers.


Antony.

On Wednesday 11 October 2017 at 11:10:20, Ian Westerland wrote:

Hello.  So far so good.  NVDA is working out nicely.  One area causing
some difficulty is around list boxes.

I use a home delivery service for some meals and they have a ratings
system to fill in after each order to help with Restaurant ratings.

NVDA doesn't seem to find the list boxes and doesn't speak the numbers
in the boxes for me to complete the review.

There are three list boxes plus an area for a short written review.  I
can acess the written review section but not the other three boxes or
the numbers in them.
Is there something I am doing wrong?

Thank you.


Ian Westerland


Ian Westerland
 

Hello Brian. I didn't think to try the single letters. Will give that a go.

Window-Eyes finds them but doesn't read the ratings numbers. However, because I know that the default setting is 5, I arrow up or down which ever is needed then check in the Window-Eyes MSA mode.

Ian

On 10/11/2017 9:17 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Do you know for sure what the listboxes are in a control form. you could try single letter nav and see if perhaps they appear as buttons that open as lists or combo boxes. I've noted this kind of ambiguity before on web sites.
Brian
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Westerland" <iwesterl@bigpond.net.au>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 10:10 AM
Subject: [nvda] list boxes in NVDA

Hello.  So far so good.  NVDA is working out nicely.  One area causing some difficulty is around list boxes.

I use a home delivery service for some meals and they have a ratings system to fill in after each order to help with Restaurant ratings.

NVDA doesn't seem to find the list boxes and doesn't speak the numbers in the boxes for me to complete the review.

There are three list boxes plus an area for a short written review.  I can acess the written review section but not the other three boxes or the numbers in them.
Is there something I am doing wrong?

Thank you.


Ian Westerland






Gene
 

When asking about a web page, unless the page can't be viewed by the general public, please give the address of the page.  No one can answer the question without looking at the page.  There are too many possibilities.  For example, the list boxes may be inaccessible in general.  They may be inaccessible with certain browsers and screen-reader combinations and visible with others.  They may be visible with brows mode off when tabbing through the fields but not with browse mode on.  There is no way to know without people looking at the page. 
 
I would imagine you know how to copy the address from the address bar and paste it into the message.  But since I don't know anything about what you know, I don't want to assume.  Ask if you have questions.  At times, I see people type addresses, even long ones, a way to do lots of extra work and have errors in the address.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 4:15 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] list boxes in NVDA

Hi Antony.
It's an online review page.





On 10/11/2017 8:12 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
> Is this an online web page, a PDF they send you, a Word document, or what?
>
> Is there any way we can see the ratings system without being a customer?
>
> It always helps if we can see the same things as you're having problems with
> so we can think of possible answers.
>
>
> Antony.
>
> On Wednesday 11 October 2017 at 11:10:20, Ian Westerland wrote:
>
>> Hello.  So far so good.  NVDA is working out nicely.  One area causing
>> some difficulty is around list boxes.
>>
>> I use a home delivery service for some meals and they have a ratings
>> system to fill in after each order to help with Restaurant ratings.
>>
>> NVDA doesn't seem to find the list boxes and doesn't speak the numbers
>> in the boxes for me to complete the review.
>>
>> There are three list boxes plus an area for a short written review.  I
>> can acess the written review section but not the other three boxes or
>> the numbers in them.
>> Is there something I am doing wrong?
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>>
>> Ian Westerland
>



Ian Westerland
 

Hi Gene. Already tried copying and pasting the web address. It only comes up as a review page with the list boxes when a review is being submitted following an order but I will give it some further attention and investigation and write again when I can provide the additional information.

Thank you.


Ian

On 10/11/2017 10:13 PM, Gene wrote:
When asking about a web page, unless the page can't be viewed by the general public, please give the address of the page.  No one can answer the question without looking at the page.  There are too many possibilities.  For example, the list boxes may be inaccessible in general.  They may be inaccessible with certain browsers and screen-reader combinations and visible with others.  They may be visible with brows mode off when tabbing through the fields but not with browse mode on.  There is no way to know without people looking at the page.
I would imagine you know how to copy the address from the address bar and paste it into the message.  But since I don't know anything about what you know, I don't want to assume.  Ask if you have questions.  At times, I see people type addresses, even long ones, a way to do lots of extra work and have errors in the address.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Ian Westerland <mailto:iwesterl@bigpond.net.au>
*Sent:* Wednesday, October 11, 2017 4:15 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] list boxes in NVDA
Hi Antony.
It's an online review page.
On 10/11/2017 8:12 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
> Is this an online web page, a PDF they send you, a Word document, or
what?
>
> Is there any way we can see the ratings system without being a customer?
>
> It always helps if we can see the same things as you're having
problems with
> so we can think of possible answers.
>
>
> Antony.
>
> On Wednesday 11 October 2017 at 11:10:20, Ian Westerland wrote:
>
>> Hello.  So far so good.  NVDA is working out nicely.  One area causing
>> some difficulty is around list boxes.
>>
>> I use a home delivery service for some meals and they have a ratings
>> system to fill in after each order to help with Restaurant ratings.
>>
>> NVDA doesn't seem to find the list boxes and doesn't speak the numbers
>> in the boxes for me to complete the review.
>>
>> There are three list boxes plus an area for a short written review.  I
>> can acess the written review section but not the other three boxes or
>> the numbers in them.
>> Is there something I am doing wrong?
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>>
>> Ian Westerland
>


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I would heartily advise trying Firefox or Chrome as well. You can have them all on the system with no issues.
I gave up on chrome myself but just because I could not get my brain around the way to use it veery easily, not to condemn it for that of course.
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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 12:06 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] list boxes in NVDA




Hi!

Latest Internet Explorer


On 10/11/2017 9:18 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
What browser version has to be the next question.
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Westerland" <iwesterl@bigpond.net.au>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 10:15 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] list boxes in NVDA


Hi Antony.
It's an online review page.





On 10/11/2017 8:12 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
Is this an online web page, a PDF they send you, a Word document, or what?

Is there any way we can see the ratings system without being a customer?

It always helps if we can see the same things as you're having problems with
so we can think of possible answers.


Antony.

On Wednesday 11 October 2017 at 11:10:20, Ian Westerland wrote:

Hello. So far so good. NVDA is working out nicely. One area causing
some difficulty is around list boxes.

I use a home delivery service for some meals and they have a ratings
system to fill in after each order to help with Restaurant ratings.

NVDA doesn't seem to find the list boxes and doesn't speak the numbers
in the boxes for me to complete the review.

There are three list boxes plus an area for a short written review. I
can acess the written review section but not the other three boxes or
the numbers in them.
Is there something I am doing wrong?

Thank you.


Ian Westerland





Ian Westerland
 

Yes, I have Firefox which will need updating.
This is probably a good time to update my Browsers as it seems Internet Explorer is going to be phased out in favour of Edge.

Chrome is one I haven't investigated a great deal, but when I have, it hasn't been easy to get even a basic understanding.
So I'll start with Firefox. Windows 10 has just been upgraded so Microsoft Edge will be worth another look.

Oh, the joys and challenges of keeping up-to-date with computers and programs and many people think that those of us who are blind have nothing to do with our time.
Such are the myths still alive in our supposedly informed world.

Ian

On 10/12/2017 2:58 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
I would heartily advise trying Firefox or Chrome as well. You can have them all on the system with no issues.
I gave up on chrome myself but just because I could not get my brain around the way to use it veery easily, not to condemn it for that of course.
Brian
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Westerland" <iwesterl@bigpond.net.au>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 12:06 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] list boxes in NVDA
Hi!
Latest Internet Explorer
On 10/11/2017 9:18 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
What browser version has to be the next question.
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Westerland" <iwesterl@bigpond.net.au>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 10:15 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] list boxes in NVDA


Hi Antony.
It's an online review page.





On 10/11/2017 8:12 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
Is this an online web page, a PDF they send you, a Word document, or what?

Is there any way we can see the ratings system without being a customer?

It always helps if we can see the same things as you're having problems with
so we can think of possible answers.


Antony.

On Wednesday 11 October 2017 at 11:10:20, Ian Westerland wrote:

Hello. So far so good. NVDA is working out nicely. One area causing
some difficulty is around list boxes.

I use a home delivery service for some meals and they have a ratings
system to fill in after each order to help with Restaurant ratings.

NVDA doesn't seem to find the list boxes and doesn't speak the numbers
in the boxes for me to complete the review.

There are three list boxes plus an area for a short written review. I
can acess the written review section but not the other three boxes or
the numbers in them.
Is there something I am doing wrong?

Thank you.


Ian Westerland





Rosemarie Chavarria
 

I just updated firefox and it works great so-far.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ian Westerland
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 1:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] list boxes in NVDA

Yes, I have Firefox which will need updating.
This is probably a good time to update my Browsers as it seems Internet Explorer is going to be phased out in favour of Edge.

Chrome is one I haven't investigated a great deal, but when I have, it hasn't been easy to get even a basic understanding.
So I'll start with Firefox. Windows 10 has just been upgraded so Microsoft Edge will be worth another look.

Oh, the joys and challenges of keeping up-to-date with computers and programs and many people think that those of us who are blind have nothing to do with our time.
Such are the myths still alive in our supposedly informed world.

Ian




On 10/12/2017 2:58 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
I would heartily advise trying Firefox or Chrome as well. You can have
them all on the system with no issues.
I gave up on chrome myself but just because I could not get my brain
around the way to use it veery easily, not to condemn it for that of
course.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Westerland"
<iwesterl@bigpond.net.au>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 12:06 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] list boxes in NVDA




Hi!

Latest Internet Explorer


On 10/11/2017 9:18 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Westerland"
<iwesterl@bigpond.net.au>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 10:15 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] list boxes in NVDA


Hi Antony.
It's an online review page.





On 10/11/2017 8:12 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
Is this an online web page, a PDF they send you, a Word document,
or what?

Is there any way we can see the ratings system without being a
customer?

It always helps if we can see the same things as you're having
problems with so we can think of possible answers.


Antony.

On Wednesday 11 October 2017 at 11:10:20, Ian Westerland wrote:

Hello. So far so good. NVDA is working out nicely. One area causing
some difficulty is around list boxes.

I use a home delivery service for some meals and they have a ratings
system to fill in after each order to help with Restaurant ratings.

NVDA doesn't seem to find the list boxes and doesn't speak the numbers
in the boxes for me to complete the review.

There are three list boxes plus an area for a short written review. I
can acess the written review section but not the other three boxes or
the numbers in them.
Is there something I am doing wrong?

Thank you.


Ian Westerland










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Try Firefoxx 55 32 bit if you can first. I find this quite reliable. I see we are being offered 57 beta but there have been issues reported about his one forcing 64 bit and also having navigation quirks.
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----- Original Message -----
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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 9:23 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] list boxes in NVDA


Yes, I have Firefox which will need updating.
This is probably a good time to update my Browsers as it seems Internet Explorer is going to be phased out in favour of Edge.

Chrome is one I haven't investigated a great deal, but when I have, it hasn't been easy to get even a basic understanding.
So I'll start with Firefox. Windows 10 has just been upgraded so Microsoft Edge will be worth another look.

Oh, the joys and challenges of keeping up-to-date with computers and programs and many people think that those of us who are blind have nothing to do with our time.
Such are the myths still alive in our supposedly informed world.

Ian




On 10/12/2017 2:58 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
I would heartily advise trying Firefox or Chrome as well. You can have them all on the system with no issues.
I gave up on chrome myself but just because I could not get my brain around the way to use it veery easily, not to condemn it for that of course.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Westerland" <iwesterl@bigpond.net.au>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 12:06 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] list boxes in NVDA




Hi!

Latest Internet Explorer


On 10/11/2017 9:18 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
What browser version has to be the next question.
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Westerland" <iwesterl@bigpond.net.au>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 10:15 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] list boxes in NVDA


Hi Antony.
It's an online review page.





On 10/11/2017 8:12 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
Is this an online web page, a PDF they send you, a Word document, or what?

Is there any way we can see the ratings system without being a customer?

It always helps if we can see the same things as you're having problems with
so we can think of possible answers.


Antony.

On Wednesday 11 October 2017 at 11:10:20, Ian Westerland wrote:

Hello. So far so good. NVDA is working out nicely. One area causing
some difficulty is around list boxes.

I use a home delivery service for some meals and they have a ratings
system to fill in after each order to help with Restaurant ratings.

NVDA doesn't seem to find the list boxes and doesn't speak the numbers
in the boxes for me to complete the review.

There are three list boxes plus an area for a short written review. I
can acess the written review section but not the other three boxes or
the numbers in them.
Is there something I am doing wrong?

Thank you.


Ian Westerland