Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
Hi guys
I just had a email off another list to do with another screen reader to do with the new fire fox coming out next month the one stated in the subject line. Are we alright to go with it as of yet? or will we be aright with it in the next release of NVDA 2017.4
or the version after that.
I have not got that version on this system so do not know how well it works with it. From what i have been reading is more to do with multii thread machines.
And older machines will slow the right down as in searching for pages etc.
It looks also the free upgrade to windows 10 from 7,8 and 8.1 ends at the end of this year.
So if you are able to upgrade from those operating system either upgrade or after that date if you want to go to windows 10 you will have to pay.
There is also some other accessibility stuff that might be of interest to windows 10 creator update. For more info see the following link at
https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2017/10/17/windows-10-accessibility-update/
Once i know also about the new browser and when we are able to go i will put it back across the list in atig in new zealand.
Gene nz
--
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at
http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers.
To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link
https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA
expert exam.
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The free upgrade won't be available after a time, I
think it's a few months from now. but you don't have to upgrade and remain
upgraded. You can upgrade and then go back to whatever you are using
now. Then, since you have upgraded, you can upgrade again later if you
wish. I don't know the details of how you upgrade again and from what I've
read, if you upgrade and then downgrade, you have to do some things to get
everything back as it was. Just because the free upgrade is going away,
that doesn't mean you have to do anything. How old is your machine?
How likely is it that it will still be working when support ends for whatever
version of Windows you are running now? How old are your peripherals such
as printer and scanner? Are there Windows 10 drivers for them? The
free upgrade might not be so free.
Is there anything in Windows 10 you want?
Gene
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 7:35 PM
Subject: [nvda] Firefox Quantum. ver 57 are we
ready?
Hi guys
I just had a email off another list to do with another screen reader to do
with the new fire fox coming out next month the one stated in the subject line.
Are we alright to go with it as of yet? or will we be aright with it in the next
release of NVDA 2017.4 or the version after that.
I have not got that version on this system so do not know how well it works
with it. From what i have been reading is more to do with multii thread
machines.
And older machines will slow the right down as in searching for pages
etc.
It looks also the free upgrade to windows 10 from 7,8 and 8.1 ends at the end
of this year.
So if you are able to upgrade from those operating system either upgrade or
after that date if you want to go to windows 10 you will have to pay.
There is also some other accessibility stuff that might be of interest to
windows 10 creator update. For more info see the following link at https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2017/10/17/windows-10-accessibility-update/
Once i know also about the new browser and when we are able to go i will put
it back across the list in atig in new zealand.
Gene nz
--
Check out my website for NVDA
tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of
where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a
copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which
locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries
(Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you,
please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The
certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from
around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.
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Jaffar Sidek <jaffar.sidek10@...>
There will be problems using ScreenReders with the Firefox
Quantum due to be released on November 14th. It is advised that
the ESR version of Firefox should be installed and your current
personal Firefox version be uninstalled to prevent it from
automatically updating to the latest but broken Firefox Quantum,
as far as ScreenReader usability goes. Go here to download
FireFox ESR to maintain ScreenReader usability as this version
won't be updated until June of next year, by which time, it is
hoped that the personal edition of Firefox and ScreenReader
usability will be resolved.
https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/organizations/all/
Plese press T to find the table of available languages, plus
Operating Systems, and arrow down to the appropriate language and
OS of your choice. Unfortunately, the navigation of this table is
not made any easier due to the lack of hadings, but patiently
scroll down with your arrow key and you should find what you
need. Cheers!
On 26/10/2017 8:46 AM, Gene wrote:
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
The free upgrade won't be
available after a time, I think it's a few months from now.
but you don't have to upgrade and remain upgraded. You can
upgrade and then go back to whatever you are using now. Then,
since you have upgraded, you can upgrade again later if you
wish. I don't know the details of how you upgrade again and
from what I've read, if you upgrade and then downgrade, you
have to do some things to get everything back as it was. Just
because the free upgrade is going away, that doesn't mean you
have to do anything. How old is your machine? How likely is
it that it will still be working when support ends for
whatever version of Windows you are running now? How old are
your peripherals such as printer and scanner? Are there
Windows 10 drivers for them? The free upgrade might not be so
free.
Is there anything in Windows 10
you want?
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 7:35 PM
Subject: [nvda] Firefox Quantum. ver 57 are we
ready?
Hi guys
I just had a email off another list to do with another screen
reader to do with the new fire fox coming out next month the one
stated in the subject line. Are we alright to go with it as of
yet? or will we be aright with it in the next release of NVDA
2017.4 or the version after that.
I have not got that version on this system so do not know how
well it works with it. From what i have been reading is more to
do with multii thread machines.
And older machines will slow the right down as in searching for
pages etc.
It looks also the free upgrade to windows 10 from 7,8 and 8.1
ends at the end of this year.
So if you are able to upgrade from those operating system
either upgrade or after that date if you want to go to windows
10 you will have to pay.
There is also some other accessibility stuff that might be of
interest to windows 10 creator update. For more info see the
following link at https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2017/10/17/windows-10-accessibility-update/
Once i know also about the new browser and when we are able to
go i will put it back across the list in atig in new zealand.
Gene nz
--
Check out my
website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related
material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net
Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near
one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen
reader on one of their computers. To find out which
locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries
(Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA
certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/.
The certification page contains the official list of NVDA
certified individuals from around the world, who have sat
and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.
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Hi Group,
I thought 57 was supposed to solve accessibility issues--not
create more. Back when 56 was released, some people were talking
about an issue where the place was not kept when moving back and
forth between web pages and/or tabs. On another list, I saw that
this was to be fixed in version 57. Now what's all this stuff
about a totally new design that breaks screen accessibility?
On 10/25/2017 10:12 PM, Jaffar Sidek
wrote:
There will be problems using ScreenReders with the Firefox
Quantum due to be released on November 14th. It is advised that
the ESR version of Firefox should be installed and your current
personal Firefox version be uninstalled to prevent it from
automatically updating to the latest but broken Firefox Quantum,
as far as ScreenReader usability goes. Go here to download
FireFox ESR to maintain ScreenReader usability as this version
won't be updated until June of next year, by which time, it is
hoped that the personal edition of Firefox and ScreenReader
usability will be resolved.
https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/organizations/all/
Plese press T to find the table of available languages, plus
Operating Systems, and arrow down to the appropriate language
and OS of your choice. Unfortunately, the navigation of this
table is not made any easier due to the lack of hadings, but
patiently scroll down with your arrow key and you should find
what you need. Cheers!
On 26/10/2017 8:46 AM, Gene wrote:
The free upgrade won't be available after a time, I think
it's a few months from now. but you don't have to upgrade and
remain upgraded. You can upgrade and then go back to whatever
you are using now. Then, since you have upgraded, you can
upgrade again later if you wish. I don't know the details of
how you upgrade again and from what I've read, if you upgrade
and then downgrade, you have to do some things to get
everything back as it was. Just because the free upgrade is
going away, that doesn't mean you have to do anything. How
old is your machine? How likely is it that it will still be
working when support ends for whatever version of Windows you
are running now? How old are your peripherals such as printer
and scanner? Are there Windows 10 drivers for them? The free
upgrade might not be so free.
Is there anything in Windows 10 you want?
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 7:35 PM
Subject: [nvda] Firefox Quantum. ver 57 are we
ready?
Hi guys
I just had a email off another list to do with another screen
reader to do with the new fire fox coming out next month the
one stated in the subject line. Are we alright to go with it
as of yet? or will we be aright with it in the next release of
NVDA 2017.4 or the version after that.
I have not got that version on this system so do not know how
well it works with it. From what i have been reading is more
to do with multii thread machines.
And older machines will slow the right down as in searching
for pages etc.
It looks also the free upgrade to windows 10 from 7,8 and 8.1
ends at the end of this year.
So if you are able to upgrade from those operating system
either upgrade or after that date if you want to go to windows
10 you will have to pay.
There is also some other accessibility stuff that might be of
interest to windows 10 creator update. For more info see the
following link at https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2017/10/17/windows-10-accessibility-update/
Once i know also about the new browser and when we are able
to go i will put it back across the list in atig in new
zealand.
Gene nz
--
Check out my website for NVDA
tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net
Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near
one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen
reader on one of their computers. To find out which
locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries
(Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA
certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/.
The certification page contains the official list of NVDA
certified individuals from around the world, who have sat
and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.
--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"
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Hi again Group,
I noticed that this is Firefox 52--a full 5 versions behind the
57 version due to be released in November. Is this at all safe?
On 10/25/2017 10:12 PM, Jaffar Sidek
wrote:
There will be problems using ScreenReders with the Firefox
Quantum due to be released on November 14th. It is advised that
the ESR version of Firefox should be installed and your current
personal Firefox version be uninstalled to prevent it from
automatically updating to the latest but broken Firefox Quantum,
as far as ScreenReader usability goes. Go here to download
FireFox ESR to maintain ScreenReader usability as this version
won't be updated until June of next year, by which time, it is
hoped that the personal edition of Firefox and ScreenReader
usability will be resolved.
https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/organizations/all/
Plese press T to find the table of available languages, plus
Operating Systems, and arrow down to the appropriate language
and OS of your choice. Unfortunately, the navigation of this
table is not made any easier due to the lack of hadings, but
patiently scroll down with your arrow key and you should find
what you need. Cheers!
On 26/10/2017 8:46 AM, Gene wrote:
The free upgrade won't be available after a time, I think
it's a few months from now. but you don't have to upgrade and
remain upgraded. You can upgrade and then go back to whatever
you are using now. Then, since you have upgraded, you can
upgrade again later if you wish. I don't know the details of
how you upgrade again and from what I've read, if you upgrade
and then downgrade, you have to do some things to get
everything back as it was. Just because the free upgrade is
going away, that doesn't mean you have to do anything. How
old is your machine? How likely is it that it will still be
working when support ends for whatever version of Windows you
are running now? How old are your peripherals such as printer
and scanner? Are there Windows 10 drivers for them? The free
upgrade might not be so free.
Is there anything in Windows 10 you want?
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 7:35 PM
Subject: [nvda] Firefox Quantum. ver 57 are we
ready?
Hi guys
I just had a email off another list to do with another screen
reader to do with the new fire fox coming out next month the
one stated in the subject line. Are we alright to go with it
as of yet? or will we be aright with it in the next release of
NVDA 2017.4 or the version after that.
I have not got that version on this system so do not know how
well it works with it. From what i have been reading is more
to do with multii thread machines.
And older machines will slow the right down as in searching
for pages etc.
It looks also the free upgrade to windows 10 from 7,8 and 8.1
ends at the end of this year.
So if you are able to upgrade from those operating system
either upgrade or after that date if you want to go to windows
10 you will have to pay.
There is also some other accessibility stuff that might be of
interest to windows 10 creator update. For more info see the
following link at https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2017/10/17/windows-10-accessibility-update/
Once i know also about the new browser and when we are able
to go i will put it back across the list in atig in new
zealand.
Gene nz
--
Check out my website for NVDA
tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net
Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near
one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen
reader on one of their computers. To find out which
locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries
(Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA
certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/.
The certification page contains the official list of NVDA
certified individuals from around the world, who have sat
and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.
--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"
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Just let to wait until it is release in November, then let see
what it goes
Robert Mendoza
On 10/26/2017 10:52 AM, Ron Canazzi
wrote:
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
Hi Group,
I thought 57 was supposed to solve accessibility issues--not
create more. Back when 56 was released, some people were
talking about an issue where the place was not kept when moving
back and forth between web pages and/or tabs. On another list,
I saw that this was to be fixed in version 57. Now what's all
this stuff about a totally new design that breaks screen
accessibility?
On 10/25/2017 10:12 PM, Jaffar Sidek
wrote:
There will be problems using ScreenReders with the Firefox
Quantum due to be released on November 14th. It is advised
that the ESR version of Firefox should be installed and your
current personal Firefox version be uninstalled to prevent it
from automatically updating to the latest but broken Firefox
Quantum, as far as ScreenReader usability goes. Go here to
download FireFox ESR to maintain ScreenReader usability as
this version won't be updated until June of next year, by
which time, it is hoped that the personal edition of Firefox
and ScreenReader usability will be resolved.
https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/organizations/all/
Plese press T to find the table of available languages, plus
Operating Systems, and arrow down to the appropriate language
and OS of your choice. Unfortunately, the navigation of this
table is not made any easier due to the lack of hadings, but
patiently scroll down with your arrow key and you should find
what you need. Cheers!
On 26/10/2017 8:46 AM, Gene wrote:
The free upgrade won't be available after a time, I think
it's a few months from now. but you don't have to upgrade
and remain upgraded. You can upgrade and then go back to
whatever you are using now. Then, since you have upgraded,
you can upgrade again later if you wish. I don't know the
details of how you upgrade again and from what I've read, if
you upgrade and then downgrade, you have to do some things
to get everything back as it was. Just because the free
upgrade is going away, that doesn't mean you have to do
anything. How old is your machine? How likely is it that
it will still be working when support ends for whatever
version of Windows you are running now? How old are your
peripherals such as printer and scanner? Are there Windows
10 drivers for them? The free upgrade might not be so free.
Is there anything in Windows 10 you want?
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 7:35 PM
Subject: [nvda] Firefox Quantum. ver 57 are we
ready?
Hi guys
I just had a email off another list to do with another
screen reader to do with the new fire fox coming out next
month the one stated in the subject line. Are we alright to
go with it as of yet? or will we be aright with it in the
next release of NVDA 2017.4 or the version after that.
I have not got that version on this system so do not know
how well it works with it. From what i have been reading is
more to do with multii thread machines.
And older machines will slow the right down as in searching
for pages etc.
It looks also the free upgrade to windows 10 from 7,8 and
8.1 ends at the end of this year.
So if you are able to upgrade from those operating system
either upgrade or after that date if you want to go to
windows 10 you will have to pay.
There is also some other accessibility stuff that might be
of interest to windows 10 creator update. For more info see
the following link at https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2017/10/17/windows-10-accessibility-update/
Once i know also about the new browser and when we are able
to go i will put it back across the list in atig in new
zealand.
Gene nz
--
Check out my website for NVDA
tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net
Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near
one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA
screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which
locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries
(Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA
certified expert near you, please visit the following link
https://certification.nvaccess.org/.
The certification page contains the official list of NVDA
certified individuals from around the world, who have sat
and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.
--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"
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Hi everyone, I’m about to install 57 beta on one of my computers to find out what’s up. I should have something to report by Friday at the earliest. Cheers, Joseph
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Robert Mendoza Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 8:06 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox Quantum. ver 57 are we ready? Just let to wait until it is release in November, then let see what it goes Robert Mendoza On 10/26/2017 10:52 AM, Ron Canazzi wrote: Hi Group, I thought 57 was supposed to solve accessibility issues--not create more. Back when 56 was released, some people were talking about an issue where the place was not kept when moving back and forth between web pages and/or tabs. On another list, I saw that this was to be fixed in version 57. Now what's all this stuff about a totally new design that breaks screen accessibility? On 10/25/2017 10:12 PM, Jaffar Sidek wrote: There will be problems using ScreenReders with the Firefox Quantum due to be released on November 14th. It is advised that the ESR version of Firefox should be installed and your current personal Firefox version be uninstalled to prevent it from automatically updating to the latest but broken Firefox Quantum, as far as ScreenReader usability goes. Go here to download FireFox ESR to maintain ScreenReader usability as this version won't be updated until June of next year, by which time, it is hoped that the personal edition of Firefox and ScreenReader usability will be resolved. https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/organizations/all/ Plese press T to find the table of available languages, plus Operating Systems, and arrow down to the appropriate language and OS of your choice. Unfortunately, the navigation of this table is not made any easier due to the lack of hadings, but patiently scroll down with your arrow key and you should find what you need. Cheers! On 26/10/2017 8:46 AM, Gene wrote: The free upgrade won't be available after a time, I think it's a few months from now. but you don't have to upgrade and remain upgraded. You can upgrade and then go back to whatever you are using now. Then, since you have upgraded, you can upgrade again later if you wish. I don't know the details of how you upgrade again and from what I've read, if you upgrade and then downgrade, you have to do some things to get everything back as it was. Just because the free upgrade is going away, that doesn't mean you have to do anything. How old is your machine? How likely is it that it will still be working when support ends for whatever version of Windows you are running now? How old are your peripherals such as printer and scanner? Are there Windows 10 drivers for them? The free upgrade might not be so free. Is there anything in Windows 10 you want? ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 7:35 PM Subject: [nvda] Firefox Quantum. ver 57 are we ready? Hi guys I just had a email off another list to do with another screen reader to do with the new fire fox coming out next month the one stated in the subject line. Are we alright to go with it as of yet? or will we be aright with it in the next release of NVDA 2017.4 or the version after that. I have not got that version on this system so do not know how well it works with it. From what i have been reading is more to do with multii thread machines. And older machines will slow the right down as in searching for pages etc. It looks also the free upgrade to windows 10 from 7,8 and 8.1 ends at the end of this year. So if you are able to upgrade from those operating system either upgrade or after that date if you want to go to windows 10 you will have to pay. There is also some other accessibility stuff that might be of interest to windows 10 creator update. For more info see the following link at https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2017/10/17/windows-10-accessibility-update/ Once i know also about the new browser and when we are able to go i will put it back across the list in atig in new zealand. Gene nz --
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.
-- They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes. They ask: "How Happy are You?" I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"
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It's the ESR, extended release version. it
receives security updates for two years after its release. At that
time, another extended release version is released. the purpose is for
businesses and organizations that use firefox in their networks and need a
stable, unchanging version for long periods.
Gene
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 9:57 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox Quantum. ver 57 are we
ready?
Hi again Group,
I noticed that this is Firefox 52--a full 5 versions behind the 57 version
due to be released in November. Is this at all safe?
On 10/25/2017 10:12 PM, Jaffar Sidek wrote:
There will be problems using ScreenReders with the Firefox Quantum due to
be released on November 14th. It is advised that the ESR version of
Firefox should be installed and your current personal Firefox version be
uninstalled to prevent it from automatically updating to the latest but broken
Firefox Quantum, as far as ScreenReader usability goes. Go here to
download FireFox ESR to maintain ScreenReader usability as this version won't
be updated until June of next year, by which time, it is hoped that the
personal edition of Firefox and ScreenReader usability will be resolved.
https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/organizations/all/
Plese press T to find the table of available languages, plus Operating
Systems, and arrow down to the appropriate language and OS of your
choice. Unfortunately, the navigation of this table is not made any
easier due to the lack of hadings, but patiently scroll down with your arrow
key and you should find what you need. Cheers!
On 26/10/2017 8:46 AM, Gene wrote:
The free upgrade won't be available after a time, I think it's a few
months from now. but you don't have to upgrade and remain
upgraded. You can upgrade and then go back to whatever you are using
now. Then, since you have upgraded, you can upgrade again later if you
wish. I don't know the details of how you upgrade again and from what
I've read, if you upgrade and then downgrade, you have to do some things to
get everything back as it was. Just because the free upgrade is going
away, that doesn't mean you have to do anything. How old is your
machine? How likely is it that it will still be working when support
ends for whatever version of Windows you are running now? How old are
your peripherals such as printer and scanner? Are there Windows 10
drivers for them? The free upgrade might not be so free.
Is there anything in Windows 10 you want?
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 7:35 PM
Subject: [nvda] Firefox Quantum. ver 57 are we
ready?
Hi guys
I just had a email off another list to do with another screen reader to
do with the new fire fox coming out next month the one stated in the subject
line. Are we alright to go with it as of yet? or will we be aright with it
in the next release of NVDA 2017.4 or the version after that.
I have not got that version on this system so do not know how well it
works with it. From what i have been reading is more to do with multii
thread machines.
And older machines will slow the right down as in searching for pages
etc.
It looks also the free upgrade to windows 10 from 7,8 and 8.1 ends at the
end of this year.
So if you are able to upgrade from those operating system either upgrade
or after that date if you want to go to windows 10 you will have to pay.
There is also some other accessibility stuff that might be of interest to
windows 10 creator update. For more info see the following link at https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2017/10/17/windows-10-accessibility-update/
Once i know also about the new browser and when we are able to go i will
put it back across the list in atig in new zealand.
Gene nz
--
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other
blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of
where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can
use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out
which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries
(Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near
you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The
certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals
from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert
exam.
--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"
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Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
Hi
I thought that was only for jaws users? as where the message came into my inbox referred to it.
That was why i was asking the question. I just downloaded the beta version on this machine but is a quad core and will also try it on a duel core to see how well or not nvda goes with it. I am guessing our developers might be ahead with the work on it.
I will also sus out the link as well.
Gene nz
On 10/26/2017 3:12 PM, Jaffar Sidek wrote:
There will be problems using ScreenReders with the Firefox Quantum due to be released on November 14th. It is advised that the ESR version of Firefox should be installed and your current personal Firefox version be uninstalled to prevent it from automatically
updating to the latest but broken Firefox Quantum, as far as ScreenReader usability goes. Go here to download FireFox ESR to maintain ScreenReader usability as this version won't be updated until June of next year, by which time, it is hoped that the personal
edition of Firefox and ScreenReader usability will be resolved.
https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/organizations/all/
Plese press T to find the table of available languages, plus Operating Systems, and arrow down to the appropriate language and OS of your choice. Unfortunately, the navigation of this table is not made any easier due to the lack of hadings, but patiently
scroll down with your arrow key and you should find what you need. Cheers!
On 26/10/2017 8:46 AM, Gene wrote:
The free upgrade won't be available after a time, I think it's a few months from now. but you don't have to upgrade and remain upgraded. You can upgrade and then go back to whatever you are using now. Then, since you have
upgraded, you can upgrade again later if you wish. I don't know the details of how you upgrade again and from what I've read, if you upgrade and then downgrade, you have to do some things to get everything back as it was. Just because the free upgrade is
going away, that doesn't mean you have to do anything. How old is your machine? How likely is it that it will still be working when support ends for whatever version of Windows you are running now? How old are your peripherals such as printer and scanner?
Are there Windows 10 drivers for them? The free upgrade might not be so free.
Is there anything in Windows 10 you want?
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 7:35 PM
Subject: [nvda] Firefox Quantum. ver 57 are we ready?
Hi guys
I just had a email off another list to do with another screen reader to do with the new fire fox coming out next month the one stated in the subject line. Are we alright to go with it as of yet? or will we be aright with it in the next release of NVDA 2017.4
or the version after that.
I have not got that version on this system so do not know how well it works with it. From what i have been reading is more to do with multii thread machines.
And older machines will slow the right down as in searching for pages etc.
It looks also the free upgrade to windows 10 from 7,8 and 8.1 ends at the end of this year.
So if you are able to upgrade from those operating system either upgrade or after that date if you want to go to windows 10 you will have to pay.
There is also some other accessibility stuff that might be of interest to windows 10 creator update. For more info see the following link at
https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2017/10/17/windows-10-accessibility-update/
Once i know also about the new browser and when we are able to go i will put it back across the list in atig in new zealand.
Gene nz
--
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at
http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers.
To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link
https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA
expert exam.
--
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at
http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers.
To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link
https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA
expert exam.
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Jaffar Sidek <jaffar.sidek10@...>
Hi. It's not easy to explainthis without avoiding technecal
issues. Suffice it to say that the Mozilla web engine is
undergoing a change. In the past, it is mozilla that is issuing
all the information to Screenreaders. Now with the new browser,
it is up to the Screenreader to extract the information from the
browser through a user interface. Complicated but so it goes with
new technology. Cheers!
On 26/10/2017 10:52 AM, Ron Canazzi
wrote:
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
Hi Group,
I thought 57 was supposed to solve accessibility issues--not
create more. Back when 56 was released, some people were
talking about an issue where the place was not kept when moving
back and forth between web pages and/or tabs. On another list,
I saw that this was to be fixed in version 57. Now what's all
this stuff about a totally new design that breaks screen
accessibility?
On 10/25/2017 10:12 PM, Jaffar Sidek
wrote:
There will be problems using ScreenReders with the Firefox
Quantum due to be released on November 14th. It is advised
that the ESR version of Firefox should be installed and your
current personal Firefox version be uninstalled to prevent it
from automatically updating to the latest but broken Firefox
Quantum, as far as ScreenReader usability goes. Go here to
download FireFox ESR to maintain ScreenReader usability as
this version won't be updated until June of next year, by
which time, it is hoped that the personal edition of Firefox
and ScreenReader usability will be resolved.
https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/organizations/all/
Plese press T to find the table of available languages, plus
Operating Systems, and arrow down to the appropriate language
and OS of your choice. Unfortunately, the navigation of this
table is not made any easier due to the lack of hadings, but
patiently scroll down with your arrow key and you should find
what you need. Cheers!
On 26/10/2017 8:46 AM, Gene wrote:
The free upgrade won't be available after a time, I think
it's a few months from now. but you don't have to upgrade
and remain upgraded. You can upgrade and then go back to
whatever you are using now. Then, since you have upgraded,
you can upgrade again later if you wish. I don't know the
details of how you upgrade again and from what I've read, if
you upgrade and then downgrade, you have to do some things
to get everything back as it was. Just because the free
upgrade is going away, that doesn't mean you have to do
anything. How old is your machine? How likely is it that
it will still be working when support ends for whatever
version of Windows you are running now? How old are your
peripherals such as printer and scanner? Are there Windows
10 drivers for them? The free upgrade might not be so free.
Is there anything in Windows 10 you want?
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 7:35 PM
Subject: [nvda] Firefox Quantum. ver 57 are we
ready?
Hi guys
I just had a email off another list to do with another
screen reader to do with the new fire fox coming out next
month the one stated in the subject line. Are we alright to
go with it as of yet? or will we be aright with it in the
next release of NVDA 2017.4 or the version after that.
I have not got that version on this system so do not know
how well it works with it. From what i have been reading is
more to do with multii thread machines.
And older machines will slow the right down as in searching
for pages etc.
It looks also the free upgrade to windows 10 from 7,8 and
8.1 ends at the end of this year.
So if you are able to upgrade from those operating system
either upgrade or after that date if you want to go to
windows 10 you will have to pay.
There is also some other accessibility stuff that might be
of interest to windows 10 creator update. For more info see
the following link at https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2017/10/17/windows-10-accessibility-update/
Once i know also about the new browser and when we are able
to go i will put it back across the list in atig in new
zealand.
Gene nz
--
Check out my website for NVDA
tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net
Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near
one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA
screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which
locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries
(Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA
certified expert near you, please visit the following link
https://certification.nvaccess.org/.
The certification page contains the official list of NVDA
certified individuals from around the world, who have sat
and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.
--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"
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Jaffar Sidek <jaffar.sidek10@...>
This version is written for organizations and institutions. It
is safe.
On 26/10/2017 10:57 AM, Ron Canazzi
wrote:
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
Hi again Group,
I noticed that this is Firefox 52--a full 5 versions behind the
57 version due to be released in November. Is this at all safe?
On 10/25/2017 10:12 PM, Jaffar Sidek
wrote:
There will be problems using ScreenReders with the Firefox
Quantum due to be released on November 14th. It is advised
that the ESR version of Firefox should be installed and your
current personal Firefox version be uninstalled to prevent it
from automatically updating to the latest but broken Firefox
Quantum, as far as ScreenReader usability goes. Go here to
download FireFox ESR to maintain ScreenReader usability as
this version won't be updated until June of next year, by
which time, it is hoped that the personal edition of Firefox
and ScreenReader usability will be resolved.
https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/organizations/all/
Plese press T to find the table of available languages, plus
Operating Systems, and arrow down to the appropriate language
and OS of your choice. Unfortunately, the navigation of this
table is not made any easier due to the lack of hadings, but
patiently scroll down with your arrow key and you should find
what you need. Cheers!
On 26/10/2017 8:46 AM, Gene wrote:
The free upgrade won't be available after a time, I think
it's a few months from now. but you don't have to upgrade
and remain upgraded. You can upgrade and then go back to
whatever you are using now. Then, since you have upgraded,
you can upgrade again later if you wish. I don't know the
details of how you upgrade again and from what I've read, if
you upgrade and then downgrade, you have to do some things
to get everything back as it was. Just because the free
upgrade is going away, that doesn't mean you have to do
anything. How old is your machine? How likely is it that
it will still be working when support ends for whatever
version of Windows you are running now? How old are your
peripherals such as printer and scanner? Are there Windows
10 drivers for them? The free upgrade might not be so free.
Is there anything in Windows 10 you want?
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 7:35 PM
Subject: [nvda] Firefox Quantum. ver 57 are we
ready?
Hi guys
I just had a email off another list to do with another
screen reader to do with the new fire fox coming out next
month the one stated in the subject line. Are we alright to
go with it as of yet? or will we be aright with it in the
next release of NVDA 2017.4 or the version after that.
I have not got that version on this system so do not know
how well it works with it. From what i have been reading is
more to do with multii thread machines.
And older machines will slow the right down as in searching
for pages etc.
It looks also the free upgrade to windows 10 from 7,8 and
8.1 ends at the end of this year.
So if you are able to upgrade from those operating system
either upgrade or after that date if you want to go to
windows 10 you will have to pay.
There is also some other accessibility stuff that might be
of interest to windows 10 creator update. For more info see
the following link at https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2017/10/17/windows-10-accessibility-update/
Once i know also about the new browser and when we are able
to go i will put it back across the list in atig in new
zealand.
Gene nz
--
Check out my website for NVDA
tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net
Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near
one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA
screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which
locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries
(Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA
certified expert near you, please visit the following link
https://certification.nvaccess.org/.
The certification page contains the official list of NVDA
certified individuals from around the world, who have sat
and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.
--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"
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Jaffar Sidek <jaffar.sidek10@...>
It affects NVDA too. Cheers!
On 26/10/2017 11:36 AM, Gene New
Zealand wrote:
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
Hi
I thought that was only for jaws users? as where the message
came into my inbox referred to it.
That was why i was asking the question. I just downloaded the
beta version on this machine but is a quad core and will also
try it on a duel core to see how well or not nvda goes with it.
I am guessing our developers might be ahead with the work on it.
I will also sus out the link as well.
Gene nz
On 10/26/2017 3:12 PM, Jaffar Sidek
wrote:
There will be problems using ScreenReders with the Firefox
Quantum due to be released on November 14th. It is advised
that the ESR version of Firefox should be installed and your
current personal Firefox version be uninstalled to prevent it
from automatically updating to the latest but broken Firefox
Quantum, as far as ScreenReader usability goes. Go here to
download FireFox ESR to maintain ScreenReader usability as
this version won't be updated until June of next year, by
which time, it is hoped that the personal edition of Firefox
and ScreenReader usability will be resolved.
https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/organizations/all/
Plese press T to find the table of available languages, plus
Operating Systems, and arrow down to the appropriate language
and OS of your choice. Unfortunately, the navigation of this
table is not made any easier due to the lack of hadings, but
patiently scroll down with your arrow key and you should find
what you need. Cheers!
On 26/10/2017 8:46 AM, Gene wrote:
The free upgrade won't be
available after a time, I think it's a few months from
now. but you don't have to upgrade and remain upgraded.
You can upgrade and then go back to whatever you are using
now. Then, since you have upgraded, you can upgrade again
later if you wish. I don't know the details of how you
upgrade again and from what I've read, if you upgrade and
then downgrade, you have to do some things to get
everything back as it was. Just because the free upgrade
is going away, that doesn't mean you have to do anything.
How old is your machine? How likely is it that it will
still be working when support ends for whatever version of
Windows you are running now? How old are your peripherals
such as printer and scanner? Are there Windows 10 drivers
for them? The free upgrade might not be so free.
Is there anything in Windows
10 you want?
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 7:35 PM
Subject: [nvda] Firefox Quantum. ver 57 are we
ready?
Hi guys
I just had a email off another list to do with another
screen reader to do with the new fire fox coming out next
month the one stated in the subject line. Are we alright to
go with it as of yet? or will we be aright with it in the
next release of NVDA 2017.4 or the version after that.
I have not got that version on this system so do not know
how well it works with it. From what i have been reading is
more to do with multii thread machines.
And older machines will slow the right down as in searching
for pages etc.
It looks also the free upgrade to windows 10 from 7,8 and
8.1 ends at the end of this year.
So if you are able to upgrade from those operating system
either upgrade or after that date if you want to go to
windows 10 you will have to pay.
There is also some other accessibility stuff that might be
of interest to windows 10 creator update. For more info see
the following link at
https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2017/10/17/windows-10-accessibility-update/
Once i know also about the new browser and when we are able
to go i will put it back across the list in atig in new
zealand.
Gene nz
--
Check out my
website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related
material at
http://www.accessibilitycentral.net
Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are
near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the
NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find
out which locations (or location) is near to you please
visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries
(Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA
certified expert near you, please visit the following
link
https://certification.nvaccess.org/.
The certification page contains the official list of
NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who
have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.
--
Check out my
website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related
material at
http://www.accessibilitycentral.net
Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near
one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen
reader on one of their computers. To find out which
locations (or location) is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries
(Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA
certified expert near you, please visit the following link
https://certification.nvaccess.org/.
The certification page contains the official list of NVDA
certified individuals from around the world, who have sat
and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.
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I just downloaded the ESR version of firefox.
On 10/25/2017 7:12 PM, Jaffar Sidek
wrote:
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
There will be problems using ScreenReders with the Firefox
Quantum due to be released on November 14th. It is advised that
the ESR version of Firefox should be installed and your current
personal Firefox version be uninstalled to prevent it from
automatically updating to the latest but broken Firefox Quantum,
as far as ScreenReader usability goes. Go here to download
FireFox ESR to maintain ScreenReader usability as this version
won't be updated until June of next year, by which time, it is
hoped that the personal edition of Firefox and ScreenReader
usability will be resolved.
https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/organizations/all/
Plese press T to find the table of available languages, plus
Operating Systems, and arrow down to the appropriate language
and OS of your choice. Unfortunately, the navigation of this
table is not made any easier due to the lack of hadings, but
patiently scroll down with your arrow key and you should find
what you need. Cheers!
On 26/10/2017 8:46 AM, Gene wrote:
The free upgrade won't be
available after a time, I think it's a few months from now.
but you don't have to upgrade and remain upgraded. You can
upgrade and then go back to whatever you are using now.
Then, since you have upgraded, you can upgrade again later
if you wish. I don't know the details of how you upgrade
again and from what I've read, if you upgrade and then
downgrade, you have to do some things to get everything back
as it was. Just because the free upgrade is going away,
that doesn't mean you have to do anything. How old is your
machine? How likely is it that it will still be working
when support ends for whatever version of Windows you are
running now? How old are your peripherals such as printer
and scanner? Are there Windows 10 drivers for them? The
free upgrade might not be so free.
Is there anything in Windows 10
you want?
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 7:35 PM
Subject: [nvda] Firefox Quantum. ver 57 are we
ready?
Hi guys
I just had a email off another list to do with another screen
reader to do with the new fire fox coming out next month the
one stated in the subject line. Are we alright to go with it
as of yet? or will we be aright with it in the next release of
NVDA 2017.4 or the version after that.
I have not got that version on this system so do not know how
well it works with it. From what i have been reading is more
to do with multii thread machines.
And older machines will slow the right down as in searching
for pages etc.
It looks also the free upgrade to windows 10 from 7,8 and 8.1
ends at the end of this year.
So if you are able to upgrade from those operating system
either upgrade or after that date if you want to go to windows
10 you will have to pay.
There is also some other accessibility stuff that might be of
interest to windows 10 creator update. For more info see the
following link at https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2017/10/17/windows-10-accessibility-update/
Once i know also about the new browser and when we are able
to go i will put it back across the list in atig in new
zealand.
Gene nz
--
Check out my
website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related
material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net
Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near
one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA
screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which
locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries
(Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA
certified expert near you, please visit the following link
https://certification.nvaccess.org/.
The certification page contains the official list of NVDA
certified individuals from around the world, who have sat
and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.
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Brian's Mail list account
Well when I asked over a month back nobody knew what I was talking about, so I'm staying on 455 till I see which way the wind blows. Unless otherwise persuaded even though I have a 64 bit machine I have in the past been burned by the 64 bit version of FF, so I am using the 32 bit one very reliably, until they brought out 56, when I had to disable the sidebar to get focus on the page all the time. I reported this bug but they did not fix it in 56, instead fixing it in the 57 pre release versions which I've not tried. For those who do know what is going on, a little bit more info here would be nice, like can we be sure if we download 57, that we can keep it 32 bi5t and that the weird bugs with some web controls will be fixed, and vital add ons like system sounds and ad blockers will still work. Brian
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene New Zealand" <hurrikennyandopo@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 1:35 AM Subject: [nvda] Firefox Quantum. ver 57 are we ready? Hi guys
I just had a email off another list to do with another screen reader to do with the new fire fox coming out next month the one stated in the subject line. Are we alright to go with it as of yet? or will we be aright with it in the next release of NVDA 2017.4 or the version after that.
I have not got that version on this system so do not know how well it works with it. From what i have been reading is more to do with multii thread machines.
And older machines will slow the right down as in searching for pages etc.
It looks also the free upgrade to windows 10 from 7,8 and 8.1 ends at the end of this year.
So if you are able to upgrade from those operating system either upgrade or after that date if you want to go to windows 10 you will have to pay.
There is also some other accessibility stuff that might be of interest to windows 10 creator update. For more info see the following link at https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2017/10/17/windows-10-accessibility-update/
Once i know also about the new browser and when we are able to go i will put it back across the list in atig in new zealand.
Gene nz
-- [Image NVDA certified expert] Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.
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Brian's Mail list account
Its fine but I'm using 55 and have turned off updates. if they have messed it up in 57, they need to create a new maintained branch I would imagine so that anyone who relies on Firefox is protected against losing the ability to use it and its current add on systems. Brian
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Canazzi" <aa2vm@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 3:57 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox Quantum. ver 57 are we ready? Hi again Group,
I noticed that this is Firefox 52--a full 5 versions behind the 57 version due to be released in November. Is this at all safe?
On 10/25/2017 10:12 PM, Jaffar Sidek wrote:
There will be problems using ScreenReders with the Firefox Quantum due to be released on November 14th. It is advised that the ESR version of Firefox should be installed and your current personal Firefox version be uninstalled to prevent it from automatically updating to the latest but broken Firefox Quantum, as far as ScreenReader usability goes. Go here to download FireFox ESR to maintain ScreenReader usability as this version won't be updated until June of next year, by which time, it is hoped that the personal edition of Firefox and ScreenReader usability will be resolved.
https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/organizations/all/
Plese press T to find the table of available languages, plus Operating Systems, and arrow down to the appropriate language and OS of your choice. Unfortunately, the navigation of this table is not made any easier due to the lack of hadings, but patiently scroll down with your arrow key and you should find what you need. Cheers!
On 26/10/2017 8:46 AM, Gene wrote:
The free upgrade won't be available after a time, I think it's a few months from now. but you don't have to upgrade and remain upgraded. You can upgrade and then go back to whatever you are using now. Then, since you have upgraded, you can upgrade again later if you wish. I don't know the details of how you upgrade again and from what I've read, if you upgrade and then downgrade, you have to do some things to get everything back as it was. Just because the free upgrade is going away, that doesn't mean you have to do anything. How old is your machine? How likely is it that it will still be working when support ends for whatever version of Windows you are running now? How old are your peripherals such as printer and scanner? Are there Windows 10 drivers for them? The free upgrade might not be so free. Is there anything in Windows 10 you want? Gene ----- Original Message ----- *From:* Gene New Zealand <mailto:hurrikennyandopo@...> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 25, 2017 7:35 PM *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> *Subject:* [nvda] Firefox Quantum. ver 57 are we ready?
Hi guys
I just had a email off another list to do with another screen reader to do with the new fire fox coming out next month the one stated in the subject line. Are we alright to go with it as of yet? or will we be aright with it in the next release of NVDA 2017.4 or the version after that.
I have not got that version on this system so do not know how well it works with it. From what i have been reading is more to do with multii thread machines.
And older machines will slow the right down as in searching for pages etc.
It looks also the free upgrade to windows 10 from 7,8 and 8.1 ends at the end of this year.
So if you are able to upgrade from those operating system either upgrade or after that date if you want to go to windows 10 you will have to pay.
There is also some other accessibility stuff that might be of interest to windows 10 creator update. For more info see the following link at https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2017/10/17/windows-10-accessibility-update/
Once i know also about the new browser and when we are able to go i will put it back across the list in atig in new zealand.
Gene nz
-- Image NVDA certified expert Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam. -- They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes. They ask: "How Happy are You?" I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"
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That can only work properly if the people writing than accessibility api actually do all the things needed to reveal the data we need. I have not got much confidence in this approach. Why do we need yet another api? Are there not enough already, look at what happened with Edge and these universal apps. These people seem to think with their arses sometimes. What ever happened to if it is not broken don't fix it?
Brian
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Jaffar Sidek" <jaffar.sidek10@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 5:32 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox Quantum. ver 57 are we ready? Hi. It's not easy to explainthis without avoiding technecal issues. Suffice it to say that the Mozilla web engine is undergoing a change. In the past, it is mozilla that is issuing all the information to Screenreaders. Now with the new browser, it is up to the Screenreader to extract the information from the browser through a user interface. Complicated but so it goes with new technology. Cheers!
On 26/10/2017 10:52 AM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi Group,
I thought 57 was supposed to solve accessibility issues--not create more. Back when 56 was released, some people were talking about an issue where the place was not kept when moving back and forth between web pages and/or tabs. On another list, I saw that this was to be fixed in version 57. Now what's all this stuff about a totally new design that breaks screen accessibility?
On 10/25/2017 10:12 PM, Jaffar Sidek wrote:
There will be problems using ScreenReders with the Firefox Quantum due to be released on November 14th. It is advised that the ESR version of Firefox should be installed and your current personal Firefox version be uninstalled to prevent it from automatically updating to the latest but broken Firefox Quantum, as far as ScreenReader usability goes. Go here to download FireFox ESR to maintain ScreenReader usability as this version won't be updated until June of next year, by which time, it is hoped that the personal edition of Firefox and ScreenReader usability will be resolved.
https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/organizations/all/
Plese press T to find the table of available languages, plus Operating Systems, and arrow down to the appropriate language and OS of your choice. Unfortunately, the navigation of this table is not made any easier due to the lack of hadings, but patiently scroll down with your arrow key and you should find what you need. Cheers!
On 26/10/2017 8:46 AM, Gene wrote:
The free upgrade won't be available after a time, I think it's a few months from now. but you don't have to upgrade and remain upgraded. You can upgrade and then go back to whatever you are using now. Then, since you have upgraded, you can upgrade again later if you wish. I don't know the details of how you upgrade again and from what I've read, if you upgrade and then downgrade, you have to do some things to get everything back as it was. Just because the free upgrade is going away, that doesn't mean you have to do anything. How old is your machine? How likely is it that it will still be working when support ends for whatever version of Windows you are running now? How old are your peripherals such as printer and scanner? Are there Windows 10 drivers for them? The free upgrade might not be so free. Is there anything in Windows 10 you want? Gene ----- Original Message ----- *From:* Gene New Zealand <mailto:hurrikennyandopo@...> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 25, 2017 7:35 PM *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> *Subject:* [nvda] Firefox Quantum. ver 57 are we ready?
Hi guys
I just had a email off another list to do with another screen reader to do with the new fire fox coming out next month the one stated in the subject line. Are we alright to go with it as of yet? or will we be aright with it in the next release of NVDA 2017.4 or the version after that.
I have not got that version on this system so do not know how well it works with it. From what i have been reading is more to do with multii thread machines.
And older machines will slow the right down as in searching for pages etc.
It looks also the free upgrade to windows 10 from 7,8 and 8.1 ends at the end of this year.
So if you are able to upgrade from those operating system either upgrade or after that date if you want to go to windows 10 you will have to pay.
There is also some other accessibility stuff that might be of interest to windows 10 creator update. For more info see the following link at https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2017/10/17/windows-10-accessibility-update/
Once i know also about the new browser and when we are able to go i will put it back across the list in atig in new zealand.
Gene nz
-- Image NVDA certified expert Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam. -- They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes. They ask: "How Happy are You?" I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"
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That should have said my 55, where the 4 came from is unknown! Brian
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io" <bglists@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 8:27 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox Quantum. ver 57 are we ready? Well when I asked over a month back nobody knew what I was talking about, so I'm staying on 455 till I see which way the wind blows. Unless otherwise persuaded even though I have a 64 bit machine I have in the past been burned by the 64 bit version of FF, so I am using the 32 bit one very reliably, until they brought out 56, when I had to disable the sidebar to get focus on the page all the time. I reported this bug but they did not fix it in 56, instead fixing it in the 57 pre release versions which I've not tried. For those who do know what is going on, a little bit more info here would be nice, like can we be sure if we download 57, that we can keep it 32 bi5t and that the weird bugs with some web controls will be fixed, and vital add ons like system sounds and ad blockers will still work. Brian
bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene New Zealand" <hurrikennyandopo@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 1:35 AM Subject: [nvda] Firefox Quantum. ver 57 are we ready?
Hi guys
I just had a email off another list to do with another screen reader to do with the new fire fox coming out next month the one stated in the subject line. Are we alright to go with it as of yet? or will we be aright with it in the next release of NVDA 2017.4 or the version after that.
I have not got that version on this system so do not know how well it works with it. From what i have been reading is more to do with multii thread machines.
And older machines will slow the right down as in searching for pages etc.
It looks also the free upgrade to windows 10 from 7,8 and 8.1 ends at the end of this year.
So if you are able to upgrade from those operating system either upgrade or after that date if you want to go to windows 10 you will have to pay.
There is also some other accessibility stuff that might be of interest to windows 10 creator update. For more info see the following link at https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2017/10/17/windows-10-accessibility-update/
Once i know also about the new browser and when we are able to go i will put it back across the list in atig in new zealand.
Gene nz
-- [Image NVDA certified expert] Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.
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It does seem that while usefull there is a hole in old access systems.
We are just not there yet, but we are almost there.
Most of windows is uia, and why firefox is slow is its probably in transition to the new system.
I do hope that system eventually exists but well.
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On 26/10/2017 8:31 p.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote: Its fine but I'm using 55 and have turned off updates. if they have messed it up in 57, they need to create a new maintained branch I would imagine so that anyone who relies on Firefox is protected against losing the ability to use it and its current add on systems. Brian
bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Canazzi" <aa2vm@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 3:57 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox Quantum. ver 57 are we ready?
Hi again Group,
I noticed that this is Firefox 52--a full 5 versions behind the 57 version due to be released in November. Is this at all safe?
On 10/25/2017 10:12 PM, Jaffar Sidek wrote:
There will be problems using ScreenReders with the Firefox Quantum due to be released on November 14th. It is advised that the ESR version of Firefox should be installed and your current personal Firefox version be uninstalled to prevent it from automatically updating to the latest but broken Firefox Quantum, as far as ScreenReader usability goes. Go here to download FireFox ESR to maintain ScreenReader usability as this version won't be updated until June of next year, by which time, it is hoped that the personal edition of Firefox and ScreenReader usability will be resolved.
https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/organizations/all/
Plese press T to find the table of available languages, plus Operating Systems, and arrow down to the appropriate language and OS of your choice. Unfortunately, the navigation of this table is not made any easier due to the lack of hadings, but patiently scroll down with your arrow key and you should find what you need. Cheers!
On 26/10/2017 8:46 AM, Gene wrote:
The free upgrade won't be available after a time, I think it's a few months from now. but you don't have to upgrade and remain upgraded. You can upgrade and then go back to whatever you are using now. Then, since you have upgraded, you can upgrade again later if you wish. I don't know the details of how you upgrade again and from what I've read, if you upgrade and then downgrade, you have to do some things to get everything back as it was. Just because the free upgrade is going away, that doesn't mean you have to do anything. How old is your machine? How likely is it that it will still be working when support ends for whatever version of Windows you are running now? How old are your peripherals such as printer and scanner? Are there Windows 10 drivers for them? The free upgrade might not be so free. Is there anything in Windows 10 you want? Gene ----- Original Message ----- *From:* Gene New Zealand <mailto:hurrikennyandopo@...> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 25, 2017 7:35 PM *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> *Subject:* [nvda] Firefox Quantum. ver 57 are we ready?
Hi guys
I just had a email off another list to do with another screen reader to do with the new fire fox coming out next month the one stated in the subject line. Are we alright to go with it as of yet? or will we be aright with it in the next release of NVDA 2017.4 or the version after that.
I have not got that version on this system so do not know how well it works with it. From what i have been reading is more to do with multii thread machines.
And older machines will slow the right down as in searching for pages etc.
It looks also the free upgrade to windows 10 from 7,8 and 8.1 ends at the end of this year.
So if you are able to upgrade from those operating system either upgrade or after that date if you want to go to windows 10 you will have to pay.
There is also some other accessibility stuff that might be of interest to windows 10 creator update. For more info see the following link at https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2017/10/17/windows-10-accessibility-update/
Once i know also about the new browser and when we are able to go i will put it back across the list in atig in new zealand.
Gene nz
-- Image NVDA certified expert Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam. -- They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes. They ask: "How Happy are You?" I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"
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You didn't say you had problems with version 52,
the version being used in the ESR version. It is dangerous to use old
browsers and 45 is getting older every day and is already ten or eleven versions
old. How old is that, about two years?
If you try the ESR version as a portable
application, you can see if it works and still have 45 installed.
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Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 2:27 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox Quantum. ver 57 are we
ready?
Well when I asked over a month back nobody knew what I was
talking about, so I'm staying on 455 till I see which way the wind blows.
Unless otherwise persuaded even though I have a 64 bit machine I have in the
past been burned by the 64 bit version of FF, so I am using the 32 bit one
very reliably, until they brought out 56, when I had to disable the sidebar
to get focus on the page all the time. I reported this bug but they did not
fix it in 56, instead fixing it in the 57 pre release versions which I've
not tried. For those who do know what is going on, a little bit more
info here would be nice, like can we be sure if we download 57, that we can
keep it 32 bi5t and that the weird bugs with some web controls will be
fixed, and vital add ons like system sounds and ad blockers will still
work. Brian bglists@...Sent via
blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting
'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene New Zealand" < hurrikennyandopo@...> To:
< nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent:
Thursday, October 26, 2017 1:35 AM Subject: [nvda] Firefox Quantum. ver 57
are we ready? > Hi guys > > > I just had a email
off another list to do with another screen reader to do > with the new
fire fox coming out next month the one stated in the subject > line. Are
we alright to go with it as of yet? or will we be aright with it > in the
next release of NVDA 2017.4 or the version after that. > > > I
have not got that version on this system so do not know how well it >
works with it. From what i have been reading is more to do with multii >
thread machines. > > > And older machines will slow the right
down as in searching for pages etc. > > > It looks also the
free upgrade to windows 10 from 7,8 and 8.1 ends at the > end of this
year. > > > So if you are able to upgrade from those operating
system either upgrade > or after that date if you want to go to windows
10 you will have to pay. > > > There is also some other
accessibility stuff that might be of interest to > windows 10 creator
update. For more info see the following link at > https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2017/10/17/windows-10-accessibility-update/> >
Once i know also about the new browser and when we are able to go i will
> put it back across the list in atig in new
zealand. > > > Gene nz > > > -- >
[Image NVDA certified
expert] > Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness
related > material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net
Regardless of where you > are in New Zealand if you are near one of the
APNK sites you can use a > copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their
computers. To find out > which locations (or location) is near to you
please visit > http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries
(Aotearoa > People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert
near you, > please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/.
The > certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified
> individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed
> the NVDA expert exam. >
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Hi guys
I just had a email off another list to do with another screen
reader to do with the new fire fox coming out next month the one
stated in the subject line. Are we alright to go with it as of
yet? or will we be aright with it in the next release of NVDA
2017.4 or the version after that.
I have not got that version on this system so do not know how
well it works with it. From what i have been reading is more to
do with multii thread machines.
And older machines will slow the right down as in searching for
pages etc.
It looks also the free upgrade to windows 10 from 7,8 and 8.1
ends at the end of this year.
So if you are able to upgrade from those operating system
either upgrade or after that date if you want to go to windows
10 you will have to pay.
There is also some other accessibility stuff that might be of
interest to windows 10 creator update. For more info see the
following link at
https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2017/10/17/windows-10-accessibility-update/
Once i know also about the new browser and when we are able to
go i will put it back across the list in atig in new zealand.
Gene nz
--
Check out my
website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related
material at
http://www.accessibilitycentral.net
Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near
one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen
reader on one of their computers. To find out which
locations (or location) is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries
(Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA
certified expert near you, please visit the following link
https://certification.nvaccess.org/.
The certification page contains the official list of NVDA
certified individuals from around the world, who have sat
and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.
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