NVDA and sappy five voices


Mary Otten <motten53@...>
 

Does NVDA work with sapi 5 voices? Is it hard to get going? This would be on windows 10. I'm not sure if that was still work under windows 10. Still don't have a Windows 10 machine, but I'm just about to the point of buying one, since the d" Mac just isn't doing what I needed to do. But that's another thread not for this list.
Mary


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Sky Mundell
 

Hello, Sky here. Yes NVDA will work with SAPI 5 on Windows 10. I hope this
helps, Sky.

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Otten
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2017 9:27 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and sappy five voices

Does NVDA work with sapi 5 voices? Is it hard to get going? This would be on
windows 10. I'm not sure if that was still work under windows 10. Still
don't have a Windows 10 machine, but I'm just about to the point of buying
one, since the d" Mac just isn't doing what I needed to do. But that's
another thread not for this list.
Mary


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Hareth <hareth4m@...>
 

Yes it works

On 10/30/17, Sky Mundell <skyt@shaw.ca> wrote:
Hello, Sky here. Yes NVDA will work with SAPI 5 on Windows 10. I hope this
helps, Sky.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mary
Otten
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2017 9:27 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and sappy five voices

Does NVDA work with sapi 5 voices? Is it hard to get going? This would be
on
windows 10. I'm not sure if that was still work under windows 10. Still
don't have a Windows 10 machine, but I'm just about to the point of buying
one, since the d" Mac just isn't doing what I needed to do. But that's
another thread not for this list.
Mary


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Sarah k Alawami
 

You can even use the, what is it called? Core something voices that come with windows 10. I'm using them now and nvda sounds awesome.

On Oct 30, 2017, at 9:50 AM, Hareth <hareth4m@...> wrote:

Yes it works

On 10/30/17, Sky Mundell <skyt@...> wrote:
Hello, Sky here. Yes NVDA will work with SAPI 5 on Windows 10.  I hope this
helps, Sky.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mary
Otten
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2017 9:27 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and sappy five voices

Does NVDA work with sapi 5 voices? Is it hard to get going? This would be
on
windows 10. I'm not sure if that was still work under windows 10. Still
don't have a Windows 10 machine, but I'm just about to the point of buying
one, since the d" Mac just isn't doing what I needed to do. But that's
another thread not for this list.
Mary


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David Griffith
 

I perfectly understand why you might need to move into a Windows environment  from the Mac. I had to make much the same journey myself because productivity stuff was too difficult on the Mac.  The good news is that Windows has improved for free access with improved support for NVDA and Narrator.  In an ideal world it is good to have both machines but if money is an issue I just wondered why you have not gone either the VMWare Fusion  or Boot Camp route to using Windows on a Mac?

Just a suggestion – it might save you the cost of new laptop.

David Griffith

 

My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

 

From: Mary Otten
Sent: 30 October 2017 16:26
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and sappy five voices

 

Does NVDA work with sapi 5 voices? Is it hard to get going? This would be on windows 10. I'm not sure if that was still work under windows 10. Still don't have a Windows 10 machine, but I'm just about to the point of buying one, since the d" Mac just isn't doing what I needed to do. But that's another thread not for this list.

Mary

 

 

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Mary Otten <motten53@...>
 

I had a Boot Camp Windows 7 installation on my Mac. It's actually still there. But I had some issues. Anyway, I didn't want to do fusion, because I had heard a lot about audio problems and keyboard mapping problems. I really thought if I hung on long enough, the issues I had would be solved. Are used a Mac since snow leopard. Now, I'm about done. So I will be checking into signature addition machines, even though they seem ungodly expensive and a bit more than I need in terms of horse power extra graphics etc. at least there are decent free alternative screen readers now, something that wasn't true in the past. Having been on the wrong screen reader horse numerous times, from window vision to window bridge to window eyes, I absolutely refuse to keep going down the rabbit hole of the page screenwriter but never keeps up anyway.
If anybody has any PC advice, please write me off list, since I know this is wildly off-topic.


Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 30, 2017, at 11:16 AM, David Griffith <daj.griffith@...> wrote:

I perfectly understand why you might need to move into a Windows environment  from the Mac. I had to make much the same journey myself because productivity stuff was too difficult on the Mac.  The good news is that Windows has improved for free access with improved support for NVDA and Narrator.  In an ideal world it is good to have both machines but if money is an issue I just wondered why you have not gone either the VMWare Fusion  or Boot Camp route to using Windows on a Mac?

Just a suggestion – it might save you the cost of new laptop.

David Griffith

 

My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

 

From: Mary Otten
Sent: 30 October 2017 16:26
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and sappy five voices

 

Does NVDA work with sapi 5 voices? Is it hard to get going? This would be on windows 10. I'm not sure if that was still work under windows 10. Still don't have a Windows 10 machine, but I'm just about to the point of buying one, since the d" Mac just isn't doing what I needed to do. But that's another thread not for this list.

Mary

 

 

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tina sohl <tinabir@...>
 

Yes, they worki in win 10. My laptop running windows 10 is using sapi 4 or 5. I didn't set it though so not sure how easy it is to do.
Original message:

Does NVDA work with sapi 5 voices? Is it hard to get going? This would be on windows 10. I'm not sure if that was still work under windows 10. Still don't have a Windows 10 machine, but I'm just about to the point of buying one, since the d" Mac just isn't doing what I needed to do. But that's another thread not for this list.
Mary

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Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Not hard at all, if you have some voices that you like or buy some.

With regard to the wrong horse. who can say if there is a right horse when the witch hunt seems to now be block up all the holes that screenreaders use to get the sense from a system.
Brian

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Yes, they worki in win 10. My laptop running windows 10 is using sapi 4 or 5. I didn't set it though so not sure how easy it is to do.
Original message:
Does NVDA work with sapi 5 voices? Is it hard to get going? This would be on windows 10. I'm not sure if that was still work under windows 10. Still don't have a Windows 10 machine, but I'm just about to the point of buying one, since the d" Mac just isn't doing what I needed to do. But that's another thread not for this list.
Mary

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David Griffith
 

I think my main advice, personally, if you are to rely on Free Screenreaders on windows is to keep a copy of the free Explorer ++ File Management Utility on your system. The main limitation with using NVDA for me personally with Windows 10 is  the way it can grind to a halt in File Explorer with large  drives. I can tab around but NVDA just will  not respond for ages. This problem has persisted for me through several NVDA versions and through a complete fresh install of Windows .  Luckily having a copy of Explorer ++ on your system can solve this problem nicely if you happen to experience it. I just put a copy of Explorer ++ on my Desktop and I have made a shortcut of control  sshift E to it. NVDA is slick fast and snappy with  this alternative to File Explorer, actually faster and more responsive than Jaws with this particular utility I find.  This may not be an issue for you as NVDA I think is normally responsive to smaller size drives/folders in File Explorer but it definitely cannot cope with my secondary 4TB drive which is nearly full. It flies with Explorer ++ though. Explorer ++ can if you want completely replace File Explorer but I  have not gone this route. It also has file management features not available in Explorer so might be worth having anyway.

The other great resource is the Screenreader Accessible page at www.nimite.com where you can get up and running with most of all the free programs you will need, including actually NVDA, with one single unattended and silent installer.   Finally the addons repository  and the Accessibility Central website which I believe the moderator on this list supports is also a great resource to get up and running with the Road Tested  NVDA programs sections especially useful.

http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/

David Griffith

 

 

 

My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

 

From: Mary Otten
Sent: 30 October 2017 18:39
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and sappy five voices

 

I had a Boot Camp Windows 7 installation on my Mac. It's actually still there. But I had some issues. Anyway, I didn't want to do fusion, because I had heard a lot about audio problems and keyboard mapping problems. I really thought if I hung on long enough, the issues I had would be solved. Are used a Mac since snow leopard. Now, I'm about done. So I will be checking into signature addition machines, even though they seem ungodly expensive and a bit more than I need in terms of horse power extra graphics etc. at least there are decent free alternative screen readers now, something that wasn't true in the past. Having been on the wrong screen reader horse numerous times, from window vision to window bridge to window eyes, I absolutely refuse to keep going down the rabbit hole of the page screenwriter but never keeps up anyway.
If anybody has any PC advice, please write me off list, since I know this is wildly off-topic.


Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 30, 2017, at 11:16 AM, David Griffith <daj.griffith@...> wrote:

I perfectly understand why you might need to move into a Windows environment  from the Mac. I had to make much the same journey myself because productivity stuff was too difficult on the Mac.  The good news is that Windows has improved for free access with improved support for NVDA and Narrator.  In an ideal world it is good to have both machines but if money is an issue I just wondered why you have not gone either the VMWare Fusion  or Boot Camp route to using Windows on a Mac?

Just a suggestion – it might save you the cost of new laptop.

David Griffith

 

My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

 

From: Mary Otten
Sent: 30 October 2017 16:26
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and sappy five voices

 

Does NVDA work with sapi 5 voices? Is it hard to get going? This would be on windows 10. I'm not sure if that was still work under windows 10. Still don't have a Windows 10 machine, but I'm just about to the point of buying one, since the d" Mac just isn't doing what I needed to do. But that's another thread not for this list.

Mary

 

 

Sent from my iPhone

 

 

 


Mary Otten <motten53@...>
 

Thanks, David. Do you happen to know where that alternative FileExplorer might be obtained? I am not going to have a 4 TB hard drive. I'll be lucky to have a 1 TB hard drive. In fact, a 512 GB SSD would probably do me. I was looking around on the Accessibility central site. There is definitely a lot of stuff there. Now finding a machine without crap where that won't break the bank, that's another problem. I was looking on the windows store from Microsoft. It seems that everything there is either expensive or out of stock and expensive. Smile. Oh well. Something will turn up.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 30, 2017, at 6:42 PM, David Griffith <daj.griffith@...> wrote:

I think my main advice, personally, if you are to rely on Free Screenreaders on windows is to keep a copy of the free Explorer ++ File Management Utility on your system. The main limitation with using NVDA for me personally with Windows 10 is  the way it can grind to a halt in File Explorer with large  drives. I can tab around but NVDA just will  not respond for ages. This problem has persisted for me through several NVDA versions and through a complete fresh install of Windows .  Luckily having a copy of Explorer ++ on your system can solve this problem nicely if you happen to experience it. I just put a copy of Explorer ++ on my Desktop and I have made a shortcut of control  sshift E to it. NVDA is slick fast and snappy with  this alternative to File Explorer, actually faster and more responsive than Jaws with this particular utility I find.  This may not be an issue for you as NVDA I think is normally responsive to smaller size drives/folders in File Explorer but it definitely cannot cope with my secondary 4TB drive which is nearly full. It flies with Explorer ++ though. Explorer ++ can if you want completely replace File Explorer but I  have not gone this route. It also has file management features not available in Explorer so might be worth having anyway.

The other great resource is the Screenreader Accessible page at www.nimite.com where you can get up and running with most of all the free programs you will need, including actually NVDA, with one single unattended and silent installer.   Finally the addons repository  and the Accessibility Central website which I believe the moderator on this list supports is also a great resource to get up and running with the Road Tested  NVDA programs sections especially useful.

http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/

David Griffith

 

 

 

My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

 

From: Mary Otten
Sent: 30 October 2017 18:39
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and sappy five voices

 

I had a Boot Camp Windows 7 installation on my Mac. It's actually still there. But I had some issues. Anyway, I didn't want to do fusion, because I had heard a lot about audio problems and keyboard mapping problems. I really thought if I hung on long enough, the issues I had would be solved. Are used a Mac since snow leopard. Now, I'm about done. So I will be checking into signature addition machines, even though they seem ungodly expensive and a bit more than I need in terms of horse power extra graphics etc. at least there are decent free alternative screen readers now, something that wasn't true in the past. Having been on the wrong screen reader horse numerous times, from window vision to window bridge to window eyes, I absolutely refuse to keep going down the rabbit hole of the page screenwriter but never keeps up anyway.
If anybody has any PC advice, please write me off list, since I know this is wildly off-topic.


Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 30, 2017, at 11:16 AM, David Griffith <daj.griffith@...> wrote:

I perfectly understand why you might need to move into a Windows environment  from the Mac. I had to make much the same journey myself because productivity stuff was too difficult on the Mac.  The good news is that Windows has improved for free access with improved support for NVDA and Narrator.  In an ideal world it is good to have both machines but if money is an issue I just wondered why you have not gone either the VMWare Fusion  or Boot Camp route to using Windows on a Mac?

Just a suggestion – it might save you the cost of new laptop.

David Griffith

 

My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

 

From: Mary Otten
Sent: 30 October 2017 16:26
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and sappy five voices

 

Does NVDA work with sapi 5 voices? Is it hard to get going? This would be on windows 10. I'm not sure if that was still work under windows 10. Still don't have a Windows 10 machine, but I'm just about to the point of buying one, since the d" Mac just isn't doing what I needed to do. But that's another thread not for this list.

Mary

 

 

Sent from my iPhone

 

 

 


 

where do you get file explorer ++ from.

I may actually use that instead of actual windows file explorer that and classic shell on my boxes, while I really like things, it does seem I will need to use extras so things work well enough.

On 31/10/2017 2:42 p.m., David Griffith wrote:
I think my main advice, personally, if you are to rely on Free Screenreaders on windows is to keep a copy of the free Explorer ++ File Management Utility on your system. The main limitation with using NVDA for me personally with Windows 10 is the way it can grind to a halt in File Explorer with large drives. I can tab around but NVDA just will not respond for ages. This problem has persisted for me through several NVDA versions and through a complete fresh install of Windows . Luckily having a copy of Explorer ++ on your system can solve this problem nicely if you happen to experience it. I just put a copy of Explorer ++ on my Desktop and I have made a shortcut of control sshift E to it. NVDA is slick fast and snappy with this alternative to File Explorer, actually faster and more responsive than Jaws with this particular utility I find. This may not be an issue for you as NVDA I think is normally responsive to smaller size drives/folders in File Explorer but it definitely cannot cope with my secondary 4TB drive which is nearly full. It flies with Explorer ++ though. Explorer ++ can if you want completely replace File Explorer but I have not gone this route. It also has file management features not available in Explorer so might be worth having anyway.
The other great resource is the Screenreader Accessible page at www.nimite.com where you can get up and running with most of all the free programs you will need, including actually NVDA, with one single unattended and silent installer. Finally the addons repository and the Accessibility Central website which I believe the moderator on this list supports is also a great resource to get up and running with the Road Tested NVDA programs sections especially useful.
http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/
David Griffith



My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

From: Mary Otten
Sent: 30 October 2017 18:39
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and sappy five voices

I had a Boot Camp Windows 7 installation on my Mac. It's actually still there. But I had some issues. Anyway, I didn't want to do fusion, because I had heard a lot about audio problems and keyboard mapping problems. I really thought if I hung on long enough, the issues I had would be solved. Are used a Mac since snow leopard. Now, I'm about done. So I will be checking into signature addition machines, even though they seem ungodly expensive and a bit more than I need in terms of horse power extra graphics etc. at least there are decent free alternative screen readers now, something that wasn't true in the past. Having been on the wrong screen reader horse numerous times, from window vision to window bridge to window eyes, I absolutely refuse to keep going down the rabbit hole of the page screenwriter but never keeps up anyway.
If anybody has any PC advice, please write me off list, since I know this is wildly off-topic.

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 30, 2017, at 11:16 AM, David Griffith <daj.griffith@gmail.com> wrote:
I perfectly understand why you might need to move into a Windows environment  from the Mac. I had to make much the same journey myself because productivity stuff was too difficult on the Mac.  The good news is that Windows has improved for free access with improved support for NVDA and Narrator.  In an ideal world it is good to have both machines but if money is an issue I just wondered why you have not gone either the VMWare Fusion  or Boot Camp route to using Windows on a Mac?
Just a suggestion – it might save you the cost of new laptop.
David Griffith
My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts
From: Mary Otten
Sent: 30 October 2017 16:26
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and sappy five voices
Does NVDA work with sapi 5 voices? Is it hard to get going? This would be on windows 10. I'm not sure if that was still work under windows 10. Still don't have a Windows 10 machine, but I'm just about to the point of buying one, since the d" Mac just isn't doing what I needed to do. But that's another thread not for this list.
Mary
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David Griffith
 

The version I use is on the following DropBox link.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/mnn7953gnqs831o/explorer%2B%2B_1.3.5_x64.zip?dl=0

It is portable. It does not need any install just unzip and put in your programs folder and then create a shortcut to the exe file on the desktop.

I made a shoertcut to it with  control shift E so I launch  windows File Explorer with windows E and this with control shift E  if I want to use this alternative.

It is menu driven so easy to use with a screenreader – to put it into list or detailed view by default you need to go to the prefernces and set it up there.

There is an option there to make it the default over  Windows Explorer there but I personally see no need for this as I like the option of having both.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/mnn7953gnqs831o/explorer%2B%2B_1.3.5_x64.zip?dl=0

David Griffith

My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

 

From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: 31 October 2017 04:57
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and sappy five voices

 

where do you get file explorer ++ from.

 

I may actually use that instead of actual windows file explorer that and

classic shell on my boxes, while I really like things, it does seem I

will need to use extras so things work well enough.

 

 

 

 

On 31/10/2017 2:42 p.m., David Griffith wrote:

> I think my main advice, personally, if you are to rely on Free Screenreaders on windows is to keep a copy of the free Explorer ++ File Management Utility on your system. The main limitation with using NVDA for me personally with Windows 10 is  the way it can grind to a halt in File Explorer with large  drives. I can tab around but NVDA just will  not respond for ages. This problem has persisted for me through several NVDA versions and through a complete fresh install of Windows .  Luckily having a copy of Explorer ++ on your system can solve this problem nicely if you happen to experience it. I just put a copy of Explorer ++ on my Desktop and I have made a shortcut of control  sshift E to it. NVDA is slick fast and snappy with  this alternative to File Explorer, actually faster and more responsive than Jaws with this particular utility I find.  This may not be an issue for you as NVDA I think is normally responsive to smaller size drives/folders in File Explorer but it definitely cannot cope with my secondary 4TB drive which is nearly full. It flies with Explorer ++ though. Explorer ++ can if you want completely replace File Explorer but I  have not gone this route. It also has file management features not available in Explorer so might be worth having anyway.

> The other great resource is the Screenreader Accessible page at www.nimite.com where you can get up and running with most of all the free programs you will need, including actually NVDA, with one single unattended and silent installer.   Finally the addons repository  and the Accessibility Central website which I believe the moderator on this list supports is also a great resource to get up and running with the Road Tested  NVDA programs sections especially useful.

> http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/

> David Griffith

> My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog

> http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/

> My Blind hammer Blog

> https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

> From: Mary Otten

> Sent: 30 October 2017 18:39

> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and sappy five voices

> I had a Boot Camp Windows 7 installation on my Mac. It's actually still there. But I had some issues. Anyway, I didn't want to do fusion, because I had heard a lot about audio problems and keyboard mapping problems. I really thought if I hung on long enough, the issues I had would be solved. Are used a Mac since snow leopard. Now, I'm about done. So I will be checking into signature addition machines, even though they seem ungodly expensive and a bit more than I need in terms of horse power extra graphics etc. at least there are decent free alternative screen readers now, something that wasn't true in the past. Having been on the wrong screen reader horse numerous times, from window vision to window bridge to window eyes, I absolutely refuse to keep going down the rabbit hole of the page screenwriter but never keeps up anyway.

> If anybody has any PC advice, please write me off list, since I know this is wildly off-topic.

> Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 30, 2017, at 11:16 AM, David Griffith <daj.griffith@...> wrote:

> I perfectly understand why you might need to move into a Windows environment  from the Mac. I had to make much the same journey myself because productivity stuff was too difficult on the Mac.  The good news is that Windows has improved for free access with improved support for NVDA and Narrator.  In an ideal world it is good to have both machines but if money is an issue I just wondered why you have not gone either the VMWare Fusion  or Boot Camp route to using Windows on a Mac?

> Just a suggestion – it might save you the cost of new laptop.

> David Griffith

>  

> My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog

> http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/

> My Blind hammer Blog

> https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

>  

> From: Mary Otten

> Sent: 30 October 2017 16:26

> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

> Subject: [nvda] NVDA and sappy five voices

>  

> Does NVDA work with sapi 5 voices? Is it hard to get going? This would be on windows 10. I'm not sure if that was still work under windows 10. Still don't have a Windows 10 machine, but I'm just about to the point of buying one, since the d" Mac just isn't doing what I needed to do. But that's another thread not for this list.

> Mary

>  

>  

> Sent from my iPhone

>  

>  

 

 

 

 

 


tina sohl <tinabir@...>
 

Mary, if you shop with HSN or qvc, they have good deals on pcs. We just took ours to a microsoft store and they just put windows back on it with out the junk. Just a thought.
Original message:

Thanks, David. Do you happen to know where that alternative FileExplorer might be obtained? I am not going to have a 4 TB hard drive. I'll be lucky to have a 1 TB hard drive. In fact, a 512 GB SSD would probably do me. I was looking around on the Accessibility central site. There is definitely a lot of stuff there. Now finding a machine without crap where that won't break the bank, that's another problem. I was looking on the windows store from Microsoft. It seems that everything there is either expensive or out of stock and expensive. Smile. Oh well. Something will turn up.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 30, 2017, at 6:42 PM, David Griffith <daj.griffith@gmail.com <mailto:daj.griffith@gmail.com>> wrote:


I think my main advice, personally, if you are to rely on Free Screenreaders on windows is to keep a copy of the free Explorer ++ File Management Utility on your system. The main limitation with using NVDA for me personally with Windows 10 is the way it can grind to a halt in File Explorer with large drives. I can tab around but NVDA just will not respond for ages. This problem has persisted for me through several NVDA versions and through a complete fresh install of Windows . Luckily having a copy of Explorer ++ on your system can solve this problem nicely if you happen to experience it. I just put a copy of Explorer ++ on my Desktop and I have made a shortcut of control sshift E to it. NVDA is slick fast and snappy with this alternative to File Explorer, actually faster and more responsive than Jaws with this particular utility I find. This may not be an issue for you as NVDA I think is normally responsive to smaller size drives/folders in File Explorer but it definitely cannot cope with my secondary 4TB drive which is nearly full. It flies with Explorer ++ though. Explorer ++ can if you want completely replace File Explorer but I have not gone this route. It also has file management features not available in Explorer so might be worth having anyway.
The other great resource is the Screenreader Accessible page at www.nimite.com <http://www.nimite.com> where you can get up and running with most of all the free programs you will need, including actually NVDA, with one single unattended and silent installer. Finally the addons repository and the Accessibility Central website which I believe the moderator on this list supports is also a great resource to get up and running with the Road Tested NVDA programs sections especially useful.
http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/ <http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/>
David Griffith
My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/ <http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/>
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts <https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts>
From: Mary Otten <mailto:motten53@gmail.com>
Sent: 30 October 2017 18:39
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and sappy five voices
I had a Boot Camp Windows 7 installation on my Mac. It's actually still there. But I had some issues. Anyway, I didn't want to do fusion, because I had heard a lot about audio problems and keyboard mapping problems. I really thought if I hung on long enough, the issues I had would be solved. Are used a Mac since snow leopard. Now, I'm about done. So I will be checking into signature addition machines, even though they seem ungodly expensive and a bit more than I need in terms of horse power extra graphics etc. at least there are decent free alternative screen readers now, something that wasn't true in the past. Having been on the wrong screen reader horse numerous times, from window vision to window bridge to window eyes, I absolutely refuse to keep going down the rabbit hole of the page screenwriter but never keeps up anyway.
If anybody has any PC advice, please write me off list, since I know this is wildly off-topic.
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 30, 2017, at 11:16 AM, David Griffith <daj.griffith@gmail.com <mailto:daj.griffith@gmail.com>> wrote:
I perfectly understand why you might need to move into a Windows environment from the Mac. I had to make much the same journey myself because productivity stuff was too difficult on the Mac. The good news is that Windows has improved for free access with improved support for NVDA and Narrator. In an ideal world it is good to have both machines but if money is an issue I just wondered why you have not gone either the VMWare Fusion or Boot Camp route to using Windows on a Mac?
Just a suggestion – it might save you the cost of new laptop.
David Griffith
My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/ <http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/>
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts <https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts>
From: Mary Otten <mailto:motten53@gmail.com>
Sent: 30 October 2017 16:26
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and sappy five voices
Does NVDA work with sapi 5 voices? Is it hard to get going? This would be on windows 10. I'm not sure if that was still work under windows 10. Still don't have a Windows 10 machine, but I'm just about to the point of buying one, since the d" Mac just isn't doing what I needed to do. But that's another thread not for this list.
Mary
Sent from my iPhone


Mary Otten <motten53@...>
 

Interesting thought, Tina. There isn't a Microsoft store anywhere near here however, just as there isn't an Apple store anywhere near here. Sigh.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 31, 2017, at 8:38 AM, tina sohl <tinabir@samobile.net> wrote:

Mary, if you shop with HSN or qvc, they have good deals on pcs. We just took ours to a microsoft store and they just put windows back on it with out the junk. Just a thought.
Original message:
Thanks, David. Do you happen to know where that alternative FileExplorer might be obtained? I am not going to have a 4 TB hard drive. I'll be lucky to have a 1 TB hard drive. In fact, a 512 GB SSD would probably do me. I was looking around on the Accessibility central site. There is definitely a lot of stuff there. Now finding a machine without crap where that won't break the bank, that's another problem. I was looking on the windows store from Microsoft. It seems that everything there is either expensive or out of stock and expensive. Smile. Oh well. Something will turn up.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 30, 2017, at 6:42 PM, David Griffith <daj.griffith@gmail.com <mailto:daj.griffith@gmail.com>> wrote:


I think my main advice, personally, if you are to rely on Free Screenreaders on windows is to keep a copy of the free Explorer ++ File Management Utility on your system. The main limitation with using NVDA for me personally with Windows 10 is the way it can grind to a halt in File Explorer with large drives. I can tab around but NVDA just will not respond for ages. This problem has persisted for me through several NVDA versions and through a complete fresh install of Windows . Luckily having a copy of Explorer ++ on your system can solve this problem nicely if you happen to experience it. I just put a copy of Explorer ++ on my Desktop and I have made a shortcut of control sshift E to it. NVDA is slick fast and snappy with this alternative to File Explorer, actually faster and more responsive than Jaws with this particular utility I find. This may not be an issue for you as NVDA I think is normally responsive to smaller size drives/folders in File Explorer but it definitely cannot cope with my secondary 4TB drive which is nearly full. It flies with Explorer ++ though. Explorer ++ can if you want completely replace File Explorer but I have not gone this route. It also has file management features not available in Explorer so might be worth having anyway.
The other great resource is the Screenreader Accessible page at www.nimite.com <http://www.nimite.com> where you can get up and running with most of all the free programs you will need, including actually NVDA, with one single unattended and silent installer. Finally the addons repository and the Accessibility Central website which I believe the moderator on this list supports is also a great resource to get up and running with the Road Tested NVDA programs sections especially useful.
http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/ <http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/>
David Griffith
My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/ <http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/>
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts <https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts>
From: Mary Otten <mailto:motten53@gmail.com>
Sent: 30 October 2017 18:39
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and sappy five voices
I had a Boot Camp Windows 7 installation on my Mac. It's actually still there. But I had some issues. Anyway, I didn't want to do fusion, because I had heard a lot about audio problems and keyboard mapping problems. I really thought if I hung on long enough, the issues I had would be solved. Are used a Mac since snow leopard. Now, I'm about done. So I will be checking into signature addition machines, even though they seem ungodly expensive and a bit more than I need in terms of horse power extra graphics etc. at least there are decent free alternative screen readers now, something that wasn't true in the past. Having been on the wrong screen reader horse numerous times, from window vision to window bridge to window eyes, I absolutely refuse to keep going down the rabbit hole of the page screenwriter but never keeps up anyway.
If anybody has any PC advice, please write me off list, since I know this is wildly off-topic.
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 30, 2017, at 11:16 AM, David Griffith <daj.griffith@gmail.com <mailto:daj.griffith@gmail.com>> wrote:
I perfectly understand why you might need to move into a Windows environment from the Mac. I had to make much the same journey myself because productivity stuff was too difficult on the Mac. The good news is that Windows has improved for free access with improved support for NVDA and Narrator. In an ideal world it is good to have both machines but if money is an issue I just wondered why you have not gone either the VMWare Fusion or Boot Camp route to using Windows on a Mac?
Just a suggestion – it might save you the cost of new laptop.
David Griffith
My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/ <http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/>
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts <https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts>
From: Mary Otten <mailto:motten53@gmail.com>
Sent: 30 October 2017 16:26
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and sappy five voices
Does NVDA work with sapi 5 voices? Is it hard to get going? This would be on windows 10. I'm not sure if that was still work under windows 10. Still don't have a Windows 10 machine, but I'm just about to the point of buying one, since the d" Mac just isn't doing what I needed to do. But that's another thread not for this list.
Mary
Sent from my iPhone



tina sohl <tinabir@...>
 

Is there a best buy near you? They have 1 24/7 warranty for 3 compuyers you can add at any time and installs are free. I'm not sure if the prices they gave us are the same everywhere though. I think it's hard getting one with out junk on it. Is there any one who could help you? We don't have anyone, so take ours to microsoft or somewhere.
Original message:

Interesting thought, Tina. There isn't a Microsoft store anywhere near here however, just as there isn't an Apple store anywhere near here. Sigh.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 31, 2017, at 8:38 AM, tina sohl <tinabir@samobile.net> wrote:
Mary, if you shop with HSN or qvc, they have good deals on pcs. We just took ours to a microsoft store and they just put windows back on it with out the junk. Just a thought.
Original message:
Thanks, David. Do you happen to know where that alternative FileExplorer might be obtained? I am not going to have a 4 TB hard drive. I'll be lucky to have a 1 TB hard drive. In fact, a 512 GB SSD would probably do me. I was looking around on the Accessibility central site. There is definitely a lot of stuff there. Now finding a machine without crap where that won't break the bank, that's another problem. I was looking on the windows store from Microsoft. It seems that everything there is either expensive or out of stock and expensive. Smile. Oh well. Something will turn up.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 30, 2017, at 6:42 PM, David Griffith <daj.griffith@gmail.com <mailto:daj.griffith@gmail.com>> wrote:


I think my main advice, personally, if you are to rely on Free Screenreaders on windows is to keep a copy of the free Explorer ++ File Management Utility on your system. The main limitation with using NVDA for me personally with Windows 10 is the way it can grind to a halt in File Explorer with large drives. I can tab around but NVDA just will not respond for ages. This problem has persisted for me through several NVDA versions and through a complete fresh install of Windows . Luckily having a copy of Explorer ++ on your system can solve this problem nicely if you happen to experience it. I just put a copy of Explorer ++ on my Desktop and I have made a shortcut of control sshift E to it. NVDA is slick fast and snappy with this alternative to File Explorer, actually faster and more responsive than Jaws with this particular utility I find. This may not be an issue for you as NVDA I think is normally responsive to smaller size drives/folders in File Explorer but it definitely cannot cope with my secondary 4TB drive which is nearly full. It flies with Explorer ++ though. Explorer ++ can if you want completely replace File Explorer but I have not gone this route. It also has file management features not available in Explorer so might be worth having anyway.
The other great resource is the Screenreader Accessible page at www.nimite.com <http://www.nimite.com> where you can get up and running with most of all the free programs you will need, including actually NVDA, with one single unattended and silent installer. Finally the addons repository and the Accessibility Central website which I believe the moderator on this list supports is also a great resource to get up and running with the Road Tested NVDA programs sections especially useful.
http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/ <http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/>
David Griffith
My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/ <http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/>
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts <https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts>
From: Mary Otten <mailto:motten53@gmail.com>
Sent: 30 October 2017 18:39
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and sappy five voices
I had a Boot Camp Windows 7 installation on my Mac. It's actually still there. But I had some issues. Anyway, I didn't want to do fusion, because I had heard a lot about audio problems and keyboard mapping problems. I really thought if I hung on long enough, the issues I had would be solved. Are used a Mac since snow leopard. Now, I'm about done. So I will be checking into signature addition machines, even though they seem ungodly expensive and a bit more than I need in terms of horse power extra graphics etc. at least there are decent free alternative screen readers now, something that wasn't true in the past. Having been on the wrong screen reader horse numerous times, from window vision to window bridge to window eyes, I absolutely refuse to keep going down the rabbit hole of the page screenwriter but never keeps up anyway.
If anybody has any PC advice, please write me off list, since I know this is wildly off-topic.
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 30, 2017, at 11:16 AM, David Griffith <daj.griffith@gmail.com <mailto:daj.griffith@gmail.com>> wrote:
I perfectly understand why you might need to move into a Windows environment from the Mac. I had to make much the same journey myself because productivity stuff was too difficult on the Mac. The good news is that Windows has improved for free access with improved support for NVDA and Narrator. In an ideal world it is good to have both machines but if money is an issue I just wondered why you have not gone either the VMWare Fusion or Boot Camp route to using Windows on a Mac?
Just a suggestion – it might save you the cost of new laptop.
David Griffith
My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/ <http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/>
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts <https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts>
From: Mary Otten <mailto:motten53@gmail.com>
Sent: 30 October 2017 16:26
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and sappy five voices
Does NVDA work with sapi 5 voices? Is it hard to get going? This would be on windows 10. I'm not sure if that was still work under windows 10. Still don't have a Windows 10 machine, but I'm just about to the point of buying one, since the d" Mac just isn't doing what I needed to do. But that's another thread not for this list.
Mary
Sent from my iPhone





tina sohl <tinabir@...>
 

My husband has a gateway and it didn't have a lot of junk on it. Can you get one straight from the company like ho or whatever that they built for you or is that expensive too?
Original message:

Interesting thought, Tina. There isn't a Microsoft store anywhere near here however, just as there isn't an Apple store anywhere near here. Sigh.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 31, 2017, at 8:38 AM, tina sohl <tinabir@samobile.net> wrote:
Mary, if you shop with HSN or qvc, they have good deals on pcs. We just took ours to a microsoft store and they just put windows back on it with out the junk. Just a thought.
Original message:
Thanks, David. Do you happen to know where that alternative FileExplorer might be obtained? I am not going to have a 4 TB hard drive. I'll be lucky to have a 1 TB hard drive. In fact, a 512 GB SSD would probably do me. I was looking around on the Accessibility central site. There is definitely a lot of stuff there. Now finding a machine without crap where that won't break the bank, that's another problem. I was looking on the windows store from Microsoft. It seems that everything there is either expensive or out of stock and expensive. Smile. Oh well. Something will turn up.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 30, 2017, at 6:42 PM, David Griffith <daj.griffith@gmail.com <mailto:daj.griffith@gmail.com>> wrote:


I think my main advice, personally, if you are to rely on Free Screenreaders on windows is to keep a copy of the free Explorer ++ File Management Utility on your system. The main limitation with using NVDA for me personally with Windows 10 is the way it can grind to a halt in File Explorer with large drives. I can tab around but NVDA just will not respond for ages. This problem has persisted for me through several NVDA versions and through a complete fresh install of Windows . Luckily having a copy of Explorer ++ on your system can solve this problem nicely if you happen to experience it. I just put a copy of Explorer ++ on my Desktop and I have made a shortcut of control sshift E to it. NVDA is slick fast and snappy with this alternative to File Explorer, actually faster and more responsive than Jaws with this particular utility I find. This may not be an issue for you as NVDA I think is normally responsive to smaller size drives/folders in File Explorer but it definitely cannot cope with my secondary 4TB drive which is nearly full. It flies with Explorer ++ though. Explorer ++ can if you want completely replace File Explorer but I have not gone this route. It also has file management features not available in Explorer so might be worth having anyway.
The other great resource is the Screenreader Accessible page at www.nimite.com <http://www.nimite.com> where you can get up and running with most of all the free programs you will need, including actually NVDA, with one single unattended and silent installer. Finally the addons repository and the Accessibility Central website which I believe the moderator on this list supports is also a great resource to get up and running with the Road Tested NVDA programs sections especially useful.
http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/ <http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/>
David Griffith
My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/ <http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/>
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts <https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts>
From: Mary Otten <mailto:motten53@gmail.com>
Sent: 30 October 2017 18:39
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and sappy five voices
I had a Boot Camp Windows 7 installation on my Mac. It's actually still there. But I had some issues. Anyway, I didn't want to do fusion, because I had heard a lot about audio problems and keyboard mapping problems. I really thought if I hung on long enough, the issues I had would be solved. Are used a Mac since snow leopard. Now, I'm about done. So I will be checking into signature addition machines, even though they seem ungodly expensive and a bit more than I need in terms of horse power extra graphics etc. at least there are decent free alternative screen readers now, something that wasn't true in the past. Having been on the wrong screen reader horse numerous times, from window vision to window bridge to window eyes, I absolutely refuse to keep going down the rabbit hole of the page screenwriter but never keeps up anyway.
If anybody has any PC advice, please write me off list, since I know this is wildly off-topic.
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 30, 2017, at 11:16 AM, David Griffith <daj.griffith@gmail.com <mailto:daj.griffith@gmail.com>> wrote:
I perfectly understand why you might need to move into a Windows environment from the Mac. I had to make much the same journey myself because productivity stuff was too difficult on the Mac. The good news is that Windows has improved for free access with improved support for NVDA and Narrator. In an ideal world it is good to have both machines but if money is an issue I just wondered why you have not gone either the VMWare Fusion or Boot Camp route to using Windows on a Mac?
Just a suggestion – it might save you the cost of new laptop.
David Griffith
My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/ <http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/>
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts <https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts>
From: Mary Otten <mailto:motten53@gmail.com>
Sent: 30 October 2017 16:26
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and sappy five voices
Does NVDA work with sapi 5 voices? Is it hard to get going? This would be on windows 10. I'm not sure if that was still work under windows 10. Still don't have a Windows 10 machine, but I'm just about to the point of buying one, since the d" Mac just isn't doing what I needed to do. But that's another thread not for this list.
Mary
Sent from my iPhone





Tony Ballou
 

Hi Mary,


Sure does! It also works with windows one core voices as well.


Tony

On 10/30/2017 12:26 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
Does NVDA work with sapi 5 voices? Is it hard to get going? This would be on windows 10. I'm not sure if that was still work under windows 10. Still don't have a Windows 10 machine, but I'm just about to the point of buying one, since the d" Mac just isn't doing what I needed to do. But that's another thread not for this list.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone


Mary Otten <motten53@...>
 

Yes, we have a Best Buy. I had a bad experience a few years ago when I purchased a laptop, and they said they were going to take all the junk off and they didn’t. And I paid them 100 bucks for the privilege. Things could’ve changed I suppose. I’ll be checking their end with a couple of small shops here in town.


Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 31, 2017, at 9:09 AM, tina sohl <tinabir@samobile.net> wrote:

Is there a best buy near you? They have 1 24/7 warranty for 3 compuyers you can add at any time and installs are free. I'm not sure if the prices they gave us are the same everywhere though. I think it's hard getting one with out junk on it. Is there any one who could help you? We don't have anyone, so take ours to microsoft or somewhere.
Original message:
Interesting thought, Tina. There isn't a Microsoft store anywhere near here however, just as there isn't an Apple store anywhere near here. Sigh.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 31, 2017, at 8:38 AM, tina sohl <tinabir@samobile.net> wrote:
Mary, if you shop with HSN or qvc, they have good deals on pcs. We just took ours to a microsoft store and they just put windows back on it with out the junk. Just a thought.
Original message:
Thanks, David. Do you happen to know where that alternative FileExplorer might be obtained? I am not going to have a 4 TB hard drive. I'll be lucky to have a 1 TB hard drive. In fact, a 512 GB SSD would probably do me. I was looking around on the Accessibility central site. There is definitely a lot of stuff there. Now finding a machine without crap where that won't break the bank, that's another problem. I was looking on the windows store from Microsoft. It seems that everything there is either expensive or out of stock and expensive. Smile. Oh well. Something will turn up.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 30, 2017, at 6:42 PM, David Griffith <daj.griffith@gmail.com <mailto:daj.griffith@gmail.com>> wrote:


I think my main advice, personally, if you are to rely on Free Screenreaders on windows is to keep a copy of the free Explorer ++ File Management Utility on your system. The main limitation with using NVDA for me personally with Windows 10 is the way it can grind to a halt in File Explorer with large drives. I can tab around but NVDA just will not respond for ages. This problem has persisted for me through several NVDA versions and through a complete fresh install of Windows . Luckily having a copy of Explorer ++ on your system can solve this problem nicely if you happen to experience it. I just put a copy of Explorer ++ on my Desktop and I have made a shortcut of control sshift E to it. NVDA is slick fast and snappy with this alternative to File Explorer, actually faster and more responsive than Jaws with this particular utility I find. This may not be an issue for you as NVDA I think is normally responsive to smaller size drives/folders in File Explorer but it definitely cannot cope with my secondary 4TB drive which is nearly full. It flies with Explorer ++ though. Explorer ++ can if you want completely replace File Explorer but I have not gone this route. It also has file management features not available in Explorer so might be worth having anyway.
The other great resource is the Screenreader Accessible page at www.nimite.com <http://www.nimite.com> where you can get up and running with most of all the free programs you will need, including actually NVDA, with one single unattended and silent installer. Finally the addons repository and the Accessibility Central website which I believe the moderator on this list supports is also a great resource to get up and running with the Road Tested NVDA programs sections especially useful.
http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/ <http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/>
David Griffith
My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/ <http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/>
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts <https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts>
From: Mary Otten <mailto:motten53@gmail.com>
Sent: 30 October 2017 18:39
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and sappy five voices
I had a Boot Camp Windows 7 installation on my Mac. It's actually still there. But I had some issues. Anyway, I didn't want to do fusion, because I had heard a lot about audio problems and keyboard mapping problems. I really thought if I hung on long enough, the issues I had would be solved. Are used a Mac since snow leopard. Now, I'm about done. So I will be checking into signature addition machines, even though they seem ungodly expensive and a bit more than I need in terms of horse power extra graphics etc. at least there are decent free alternative screen readers now, something that wasn't true in the past. Having been on the wrong screen reader horse numerous times, from window vision to window bridge to window eyes, I absolutely refuse to keep going down the rabbit hole of the page screenwriter but never keeps up anyway.
If anybody has any PC advice, please write me off list, since I know this is wildly off-topic.
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 30, 2017, at 11:16 AM, David Griffith <daj.griffith@gmail.com <mailto:daj.griffith@gmail.com>> wrote:
I perfectly understand why you might need to move into a Windows environment from the Mac. I had to make much the same journey myself because productivity stuff was too difficult on the Mac. The good news is that Windows has improved for free access with improved support for NVDA and Narrator. In an ideal world it is good to have both machines but if money is an issue I just wondered why you have not gone either the VMWare Fusion or Boot Camp route to using Windows on a Mac?
Just a suggestion – it might save you the cost of new laptop.
David Griffith
My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/ <http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/>
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts <https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts>
From: Mary Otten <mailto:motten53@gmail.com>
Sent: 30 October 2017 16:26
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and sappy five voices
Does NVDA work with sapi 5 voices? Is it hard to get going? This would be on windows 10. I'm not sure if that was still work under windows 10. Still don't have a Windows 10 machine, but I'm just about to the point of buying one, since the d" Mac just isn't doing what I needed to do. But that's another thread not for this list.
Mary
Sent from my iPhone







tina sohl <tinabir@...>
 

wOW that's too bad. I've shopped there years and have nothing but good experiences so far.
Original message:

Yes, we have a Best Buy. I had a bad experience a few years ago when I purchased a laptop, and they said they were going to take all the junk off and they didn’t. And I paid them 100 bucks for the privilege. Things could’ve changed I suppose. I’ll be checking their end with a couple of small shops here in town.

Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 31, 2017, at 9:09 AM, tina sohl <tinabir@samobile.net> wrote:
Is there a best buy near you? They have 1 24/7 warranty for 3 compuyers you can add at any time and installs are free. I'm not sure if the prices they gave us are the same everywhere though. I think it's hard getting one with out junk on it. Is there any one who could help you? We don't have anyone, so take ours to microsoft or somewhere.
Original message:
Interesting thought, Tina. There isn't a Microsoft store anywhere near here however, just as there isn't an Apple store anywhere near here. Sigh.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 31, 2017, at 8:38 AM, tina sohl <tinabir@samobile.net> wrote:
Mary, if you shop with HSN or qvc, they have good deals on pcs. We just took ours to a microsoft store and they just put windows back on it with out the junk. Just a thought.
Original message:
Thanks, David. Do you happen to know where that alternative FileExplorer might be obtained? I am not going to have a 4 TB hard drive. I'll be lucky to have a 1 TB hard drive. In fact, a 512 GB SSD would probably do me. I was looking around on the Accessibility central site. There is definitely a lot of stuff there. Now finding a machine without crap where that won't break the bank, that's another problem. I was looking on the windows store from Microsoft. It seems that everything there is either expensive or out of stock and expensive. Smile. Oh well. Something will turn up.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 30, 2017, at 6:42 PM, David Griffith <daj.griffith@gmail.com <mailto:daj.griffith@gmail.com>> wrote:


I think my main advice, personally, if you are to rely on Free Screenreaders on windows is to keep a copy of the free Explorer ++ File Management Utility on your system. The main limitation with using NVDA for me personally with Windows 10 is the way it can grind to a halt in File Explorer with large drives. I can tab around but NVDA just will not respond for ages. This problem has persisted for me through several NVDA versions and through a complete fresh install of Windows . Luckily having a copy of Explorer ++ on your system can solve this problem nicely if you happen to experience it. I just put a copy of Explorer ++ on my Desktop and I have made a shortcut of control sshift E to it. NVDA is slick fast and snappy with this alternative to File Explorer, actually faster and more responsive than Jaws with this particular utility I find. This may not be an issue for you as NVDA I think is normally responsive to smaller size drives/folders in File Explorer but it definitely cannot cope with my secondary 4TB drive which is nearly full. It flies with Explorer ++ though. Explorer ++ can if you want completely replace File Explorer but I have not gone this route. It also has file management features not available in Explorer so might be worth having anyway.
The other great resource is the Screenreader Accessible page at www.nimite.com <http://www.nimite.com> where you can get up and running with most of all the free programs you will need, including actually NVDA, with one single unattended and silent installer. Finally the addons repository and the Accessibility Central website which I believe the moderator on this list supports is also a great resource to get up and running with the Road Tested NVDA programs sections especially useful.
http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/ <http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/>
David Griffith
My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/ <http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/>
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From: Mary Otten <mailto:motten53@gmail.com>
Sent: 30 October 2017 18:39
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and sappy five voices
I had a Boot Camp Windows 7 installation on my Mac. It's actually still there. But I had some issues. Anyway, I didn't want to do fusion, because I had heard a lot about audio problems and keyboard mapping problems. I really thought if I hung on long enough, the issues I had would be solved. Are used a Mac since snow leopard. Now, I'm about done. So I will be checking into signature addition machines, even though they seem ungodly expensive and a bit more than I need in terms of horse power extra graphics etc. at least there are decent free alternative screen readers now, something that wasn't true in the past. Having been on the wrong screen reader horse numerous times, from window vision to window bridge to window eyes, I absolutely refuse to keep going down the rabbit hole of the page screenwriter but never keeps up anyway.
If anybody has any PC advice, please write me off list, since I know this is wildly off-topic.
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On Oct 30, 2017, at 11:16 AM, David Griffith <daj.griffith@gmail.com <mailto:daj.griffith@gmail.com>> wrote:
I perfectly understand why you might need to move into a Windows environment from the Mac. I had to make much the same journey myself because productivity stuff was too difficult on the Mac. The good news is that Windows has improved for free access with improved support for NVDA and Narrator. In an ideal world it is good to have both machines but if money is an issue I just wondered why you have not gone either the VMWare Fusion or Boot Camp route to using Windows on a Mac?
Just a suggestion – it might save you the cost of new laptop.
David Griffith
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From: Mary Otten <mailto:motten53@gmail.com>
Sent: 30 October 2017 16:26
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and sappy five voices
Does NVDA work with sapi 5 voices? Is it hard to get going? This would be on windows 10. I'm not sure if that was still work under windows 10. Still don't have a Windows 10 machine, but I'm just about to the point of buying one, since the d" Mac just isn't doing what I needed to do. But that's another thread not for this list.
Mary
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