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Installing NVDA and disabling some sort of security setting

Mary Otten <motten53@...>
 

Recently, I saw a message that talked about the need to disable some sort of security settings in windows 10 when you were installing NVDA. It was a folder I think that you couldn’t get access to and less you disable the setting, and NVDA needs to have that access when it installs. I’ve just spent some time looking through old messages trying to find this and I can’t. Can anybody help me out? I’m sorry to be so vague, but I just can’t find this message.
Mary


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Tyler Spivey
 

Controlled Folder Access. I think it's off by default.

On 11/3/2017 3:40 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
Recently, I saw a message that talked about the need to disable some sort of security settings in windows 10 when you were installing NVDA. It was a folder I think that you couldn’t get access to and less you disable the setting, and NVDA needs to have that access when it installs. I’ve just spent some time looking through old messages trying to find this and I can’t. Can anybody help me out? I’m sorry to be so vague, but I just can’t find this message.
Mary
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Gene
 

I suspect it is off by default.  If not, we should have seen lots of people reporting problems since Windows 10 started to be distributed. 
 
Gene

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Subject: Re: [nvda] Installing NVDA and disabling some sort of security setting

Controlled Folder Access. I think it's off by default.
On 11/3/2017 3:40 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
> Recently, I saw a message that talked about the need to disable some sort of security settings in windows 10 when you were installing NVDA. It was a folder I think that you couldn’t get access to and less you disable the setting, and NVDA needs to have that access when it installs. I’ve just spent some time looking through old messages trying to find this and I can’t. Can anybody help me out? I’m sorry to be so vague, but I just can’t find this message.
> Mary
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>




Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi


you are not talking about the UAC screen that comes up when you go to install a copy of NVDA onto a machine? if this does come up use the ALT key + letter Y to say yes to it or just tab to it. then NVDA will finish installing.


Unless a anti virus program does it? then you would have to look in that virus program and make it a exception


Gene nz

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On 11/4/2017 11:40 AM, Mary Otten wrote:
Recently, I saw a message that talked about the need to disable some sort of security settings in windows 10 when you were installing NVDA. It was a folder I think that you couldn’t get access to and less you disable the setting, and NVDA needs to have that access when it installs. I’ve just spent some time looking through old messages trying to find this and I can’t. Can anybody help me out? I’m sorry to be so vague, but I just can’t find this message.
Mary


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John Isige
 

No, there's a new thing in the latest Windows 10. I think I still have
the message somewhere or other. It prevents the installer from making a
desktop shortcut and it might give an error or something, but apparently
NVDA runs just fine once it's done, other than not having the desktop
shortcut.

On 11/4/2017 1:47, Gene New Zealand wrote:

Hi


you are not talking about the UAC screen that comes up when you go to
install a copy of NVDA onto a machine? if this does come up use the
ALT key + letter Y to say yes to it or just tab to it. then NVDA will
finish installing.


Unless a anti virus program does it? then you would have to look in
that virus program and make it a exception


Gene nz

.


On 11/4/2017 11:40 AM, Mary Otten wrote:
Recently, I saw a message that talked about the need to disable some sort of security settings in windows 10 when you were installing NVDA. It was a folder I think that you couldn’t get access to and less you disable the setting, and NVDA needs to have that access when it installs. I’ve just spent some time looking through old messages trying to find this and I can’t. Can anybody help me out? I’m sorry to be so vague, but I just can’t find this message.
Mary


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That is a bit vague. If you are using an admin account on windows 10, I don't recall any issues unless they have introduced something in the recent updates that I'm unaware of.
Certainly I was quite disappointed that the portable version of nvda was significantly less useful on windows 10 due to its more extensive use of UIA than its forebears, like 7.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Mary Otten" <motten53@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, November 03, 2017 10:40 PM
Subject: [nvda] Installing NVDA and disabling some sort of security setting


Recently, I saw a message that talked about the need to disable some sort of security settings in windows 10 when you were installing NVDA. It was a folder I think that you couldn’t get access to and less you disable the setting, and NVDA needs to have that access when it installs. I’ve just spent some time looking through old messages trying to find this and I can’t. Can anybody help me out? I’m sorry to be so vague, but I just can’t find this message.
Mary


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You only encounter this normally in a company machine with a paranoid IT manager! grin.
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From: "Tyler Spivey" <tspivey@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2017 12:32 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Installing NVDA and disabling some sort of security setting


Controlled Folder Access. I think it's off by default.
On 11/3/2017 3:40 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
Recently, I saw a message that talked about the need to disable some sort of security settings in windows 10 when you were installing NVDA. It was a folder I think that you couldn’t get access to and less you disable the setting, and NVDA needs to have that access when it installs. I’ve just spent some time looking through old messages trying to find this and I can’t. Can anybody help me out? I’m sorry to be so vague, but I just can’t find this message.
Mary


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There is a ticket for it being worked on in Github, as I saw it while looking for something else.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2017 12:42 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Installing NVDA and disabling some sort of security setting


I suspect it is off by default. If not, we should have seen lots of people reporting problems since Windows 10 started to be distributed.

Gene
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From: Tyler Spivey
Sent: Friday, November 03, 2017 7:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Installing NVDA and disabling some sort of security setting


Controlled Folder Access. I think it's off by default.
On 11/3/2017 3:40 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
Recently, I saw a message that talked about the need to disable some sort of security settings in windows 10 when you were installing NVDA. It was a folder I think that you couldn’t get access to and less you disable the setting, and NVDA needs to have that access when it installs. I’ve just spent some time looking through old messages trying to find this and I can’t. Can anybody help me out? I’m sorry to be so vague, but I just can’t find this message.
Mary


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Yes but don't you have to actually turn this folder function on. I think its designed to keep control of the desktop Many people with sight often clutter the desktop with all sorts of junk and an admin can now make that particular folder or any other, banned to be changed by anyone else. Its actually a good idea I suppose but then I like having a cluttered desktop!

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----- Original Message -----
From: "John Isige" <gwynn@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2017 7:00 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Installing NVDA and disabling some sort of security setting


No, there's a new thing in the latest Windows 10. I think I still have
the message somewhere or other. It prevents the installer from making a
desktop shortcut and it might give an error or something, but apparently
NVDA runs just fine once it's done, other than not having the desktop
shortcut.


On 11/4/2017 1:47, Gene New Zealand wrote:

Hi


you are not talking about the UAC screen that comes up when you go to
install a copy of NVDA onto a machine? if this does come up use the
ALT key + letter Y to say yes to it or just tab to it. then NVDA will
finish installing.


Unless a anti virus program does it? then you would have to look in
that virus program and make it a exception


Gene nz

.


On 11/4/2017 11:40 AM, Mary Otten wrote:
Recently, I saw a message that talked about the need to disable some sort of security settings in windows 10 when you were installing NVDA. It was a folder I think that you couldn’t get access to and less you disable the setting, and NVDA needs to have that access when it installs. I’ve just spent some time looking through old messages trying to find this and I can’t. Can anybody help me out? I’m sorry to be so vague, but I just can’t find this message.
Mary


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use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To
find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit
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Chris
 

Are you talking about the "continue as administrator" dialog?
if so and you are using a standard account then you are going to encounter problems
but if you are using a admin account then you should'nt get this dialog
or if you do you get the continue as administrator dialog
well thats my interpretation of whats happening here
Mary Otten <motten53@...>
 

Hi John,
Yes, you are talking about the same thing I am. I happen to like desktop shortcuts, so I would really like to find out what it is so it can be turned off when NVDA and other things that could make shortcuts are installed. So if you happen to find the message or remember what it’s called, please detail. Thank you in advance.
Mary


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On Nov 4, 2017, at 12:00 AM, John Isige <gwynn@...> wrote:

No, there's a new thing in the latest Windows 10. I think I still have
the message somewhere or other. It prevents the installer from making a
desktop shortcut and it might give an error or something, but apparently
NVDA runs just fine once it's done, other than not having the desktop
shortcut.


On 11/4/2017 1:47, Gene New Zealand wrote:

Hi


you are not talking about the UAC screen that comes up when you go to
install a copy of NVDA onto a machine? if this does come up use the
ALT key + letter Y to say yes to it or just tab to it. then NVDA will
finish installing.


Unless a anti virus program does it? then you would have to look in
that virus program and make it a exception


Gene nz

.


On 11/4/2017 11:40 AM, Mary Otten wrote:
Recently, I saw a message that talked about the need to disable some sort of security settings in windows 10 when you were installing NVDA. It was a folder I think that you couldn’t get access to and less you disable the setting, and NVDA needs to have that access when it installs. I’ve just spent some time looking through old messages trying to find this and I can’t. Can anybody help me out? I’m sorry to be so vague, but I just can’t find this message.
Mary


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Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related
material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where
you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can
use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To
find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries
(Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert
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who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.
Brian's Mail list account
 

I think this link should explain the issue.

https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/pull/7697#pullrequestreview-73079514


Basically though, Only if you have enabled the feature will things fail. it looks like if its just an update, you should be OK.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Mary Otten" <motten53@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2017 2:56 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Installing NVDA and disabling some sort of security setting


Hi John,
Yes, you are talking about the same thing I am. I happen to like desktop shortcuts, so I would really like to find out what it is so it can be turned off when NVDA and other things that could make shortcuts are installed. So if you happen to find the message or remember what it’s called, please detail. Thank you in advance.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 4, 2017, at 12:00 AM, John Isige <gwynn@...> wrote:

No, there's a new thing in the latest Windows 10. I think I still have
the message somewhere or other. It prevents the installer from making a
desktop shortcut and it might give an error or something, but apparently
NVDA runs just fine once it's done, other than not having the desktop
shortcut.


On 11/4/2017 1:47, Gene New Zealand wrote:

Hi


you are not talking about the UAC screen that comes up when you go to
install a copy of NVDA onto a machine? if this does come up use the
ALT key + letter Y to say yes to it or just tab to it. then NVDA will
finish installing.


Unless a anti virus program does it? then you would have to look in
that virus program and make it a exception


Gene nz

.


On 11/4/2017 11:40 AM, Mary Otten wrote:
Recently, I saw a message that talked about the need to disable some sort of security settings in windows 10 when you were installing NVDA. It was a folder I think that you couldn’t get access to and less you disable the setting, and NVDA needs to have that access when it installs. I’ve just spent some time looking through old messages trying to find this and I can’t. Can anybody help me out? I’m sorry to be so vague, but I just can’t find this message.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

--
Image NVDA certified expert
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related
material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where
you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can
use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To
find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries
(Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert
near you, please visit the following link
https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains
the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world,
who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.
Quentin Christensen
 

Hi everyone,

Sorry to chime in late.  If the message the original poster saw was from In-Process, then yes, it was Controlled Folder Access I mentioned.  That feature is off by default.  It is designed to prevent malware from accessing your documents and programs and other folders.  From the testing I've done, it seems to prevent most programs from creating desktop shortcuts, so I would suspect most software companies would recommend disabling it while installing software, similar to the way it is often recommended to disable anti-virus software while you install software.

As noted, NVDA will still install and will still work, it's just the desktop shortcut that won't be able to be created (which could be an issue for easy starting of NVDA).

We're watching the situation as most vendors are, and will update you as we find out more ourselves.  For now, if you have turned on controlled folder access, you are encouraged to turn it off while installing NVDA.  If you haven't turned it on and don't know what I'm rambling about, then you likely don't need to worry :)

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Sun, Nov 5, 2017 at 2:37 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists@...> wrote:
I think this link should explain the issue.

https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/pull/7697#pullrequestreview-73079514


Basically though, Only if you have enabled the feature will things fail. it looks like if its just an update, you should be OK.
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 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Otten" <motten53@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2017 2:56 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Installing NVDA and disabling some sort of security setting


Hi John,
Yes, you are talking about the same thing I am. I happen to like desktop shortcuts, so I would really like to find out what it is so it can be turned off when NVDA and other things that could make shortcuts are installed. So if you happen to find the message or remember what it’s called, please detail. Thank you in advance.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 4, 2017, at 12:00 AM, John Isige <gwynn@...> wrote:

No, there's a new thing in the latest Windows 10. I think I still have
the message somewhere or other. It prevents the installer from making a
desktop shortcut and it might give an error or something, but apparently
NVDA runs just fine once it's done, other than not having the desktop
shortcut.


On 11/4/2017 1:47, Gene New Zealand wrote:

Hi


you are not talking about the UAC screen that comes up when you go to
install a copy of NVDA onto a machine? if this does come up use the
ALT key + letter Y to say yes to it or just tab to it. then NVDA will
finish installing.


Unless a anti virus program does it? then you would have to look in
that virus program and make it a exception


Gene nz

.


On 11/4/2017 11:40 AM, Mary Otten wrote:
Recently, I saw a message that talked about the need to disable some sort of security settings in windows 10 when you were installing NVDA. It was a folder I think that you couldn’t get access to and less you disable the setting, and NVDA needs to have that access when it installs. I’ve just spent some time looking through old messages trying to find this and I can’t. Can anybody help me out? I’m sorry to be so vague, but I just can’t find this message.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone



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material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where
you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can
use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To
find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries
(Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert
near you, please visit the following link
https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains
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who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.













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Would you know if the msse engine in Windows 7, for example will get this function as well? There have been rumours that it will but have not actually actively looked for it. I understand it has to do with an attempt to stop ransomware, which is a good thing, and maybe we should have access to a tray icon for turning it off for installs we elect to do.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Quentin Christensen" <quentin@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2017 12:22 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Installing NVDA and disabling some sort of security setting


Hi everyone,

Sorry to chime in late. If the message the original poster saw was from
In-Process, then yes, it was Controlled Folder Access I mentioned. That
feature is off by default. It is designed to prevent malware from
accessing your documents and programs and other folders. From the testing
I've done, it seems to prevent most programs from creating desktop
shortcuts, so I would suspect most software companies would recommend
disabling it while installing software, similar to the way it is often
recommended to disable anti-virus software while you install software.

As noted, NVDA will still install and will still work, it's just the
desktop shortcut that won't be able to be created (which could be an issue
for easy starting of NVDA).

We're watching the situation as most vendors are, and will update you as we
find out more ourselves. For now, if you have turned on controlled folder
access, you are encouraged to turn it off while installing NVDA. If you
haven't turned it on and don't know what I'm rambling about, then you
likely don't need to worry :)

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Sun, Nov 5, 2017 at 2:37 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <
bglists@...> wrote:

I think this link should explain the issue.

https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/pull/7697#pullrequestreview-73079514


Basically though, Only if you have enabled the feature will things fail.
it looks like if its just an update, you should be OK.
Brian
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Otten" <motten53@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2017 2:56 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Installing NVDA and disabling some sort of security
setting


Hi John,
Yes, you are talking about the same thing I am. I happen to like desktop
shortcuts, so I would really like to find out what it is so it can be
turned off when NVDA and other things that could make shortcuts are
installed. So if you happen to find the message or remember what it’s
called, please detail. Thank you in advance.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 4, 2017, at 12:00 AM, John Isige <gwynn@...> wrote:

No, there's a new thing in the latest Windows 10. I think I still have
the message somewhere or other. It prevents the installer from making a
desktop shortcut and it might give an error or something, but apparently
NVDA runs just fine once it's done, other than not having the desktop
shortcut.


On 11/4/2017 1:47, Gene New Zealand wrote:

Hi


you are not talking about the UAC screen that comes up when you go to
install a copy of NVDA onto a machine? if this does come up use the
ALT key + letter Y to say yes to it or just tab to it. then NVDA will
finish installing.


Unless a anti virus program does it? then you would have to look in
that virus program and make it a exception


Gene nz

.


On 11/4/2017 11:40 AM, Mary Otten wrote:
Recently, I saw a message that talked about the need to disable some
sort of security settings in windows 10 when you were installing NVDA. It
was a folder I think that you couldn’t get access to and less you disable
the setting, and NVDA needs to have that access when it installs. I’ve just
spent some time looking through old messages trying to find this and I
can’t. Can anybody help me out? I’m sorry to be so vague, but I just can’t
find this message.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone


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Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related
material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where
you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can
use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To
find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries
(Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert
near you, please visit the following link
https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains
the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world,
who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.








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http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

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