----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 9:30 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] firefox is now chrome


Hi,

Chromebooks are much better for accessibility now.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: 14 November 2017 17:46
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] firefox is now chrome

Chromevox has a long history, back when Chrome book computers first started, they accessed all their aps through the web interface of Chrome browser. ie it was not running windows. They built in a rudamentary screenreader to help people its always been very basic and I have never bothered with it as it was really only relevant in the above context as soon Chrome implimented apis for its windows version which allowed other screenreaders to be used.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 6:39 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] firefox is now chrome

Its a screen reader its more basic than nvda it uses sapi and google tts.




On 14/11/2017 7:35 p.m., zahra wrote:

hello.
could you please someone explane for me in details that whats the
chromevox?
i did not understand whats it.
is it a screen reader which works just in chrome?
if so, which synthesizer does it have?
God bless you all.

On 11/14/17, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:

The only issue I did have was connecting to my bt sync server, and my
router in fact any device with an ip address.

I got a lot of unknowns, I assume it was a security dialog, I had to go
to the address bar, shift tab once, hit the information button then
allow this site always then hit reload, then it let it go through.

I do wish that security dialogs and extention add dialogs got read
chrome dropps into a chrome legacy window instead of a document window
and screen readers can't read legacy windows so well.




On 14/11/2017 11:00 a.m., Sally Kiebdaj wrote:

Hello Mary,


Chrome has an extension called Chromevox which acts as a screen
reader. NVDA also works with Chrome, though.


Warm regards,

Sally



On 11/13/2017 4:47 PM, Mary Otten wrote:

So does chrome have a reader at on, rather like what you get with
Safari either on a Mac or on the phone? The android version of chrome
doesn’t have that, and it’s a huge disadvantage in my opinion. I’m
guessing that the desktop version either has it built in or at least
has an ad on.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 13, 2017, at 1:03 PM, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...>
wrote:

Hi.

Ok guys decided to cut my losses and switched to chrome.

What an experience change.

Its true I need to do a bit more configging but just about every
file just saves now.

And access wize there are accessibility addons.

For me noscript doesn't come but the rest.

First https everywhere, privacy badger and ublock origin exist thats
good.

I use download notifier for sounds, and google sound effects tweaked
so it doesn't make sounds for everything I do key typing scroling
down pages, etc.

However its better than the crappy addon I have on firefox.

Its got accessibility features and its fully configurable, maybe ms
should take a leaf out of google's book for their stuff because
headings for everything.

The only issues I have is when removing addon extentions I have to
hit enter twice as there is a lot of unknown and the same with
adding extentions tab once and hit enter.

I also don't care for the top down approach of the google app store.

However I am fully setup and while it could be better, I do believe
that firefox as it stands is history with me.

Noscript, well its not really important right now, everything works
as needed.

I do feel sad leaving firefox though.

On 14/11/2017 8:51 a.m., Gene wrote:
Why do some people care so much about browser sounds? When a page
has finished opening, you'll know it because the screen-reader
automatically starts to read it. When a page doesn't load for some
reason, a lot of the time there is an error message. When you
download a file, you can easily check the estimated time remaining
for the download. I understand the desire to hear a sound when a
download finishes because that will tell you, without you having to
check or without perhaps getting busy with something else and
forgetting to check in a timely manner. But how much of the
concern with sounds is just habit? Maybe people would be surprised
if they didn't use browser sounds for three days as a trial, how
quickly almost all of the sounds fade into insignificance. Even
the download finished sound may decrease significantly in
importance.
Gene
----- Original Message -----


From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 1:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] firefox sort of fixed


Hi.

Ok, got an addon called download sound this works for downloads,
sadly I
don't get when sites open like navigation sounds, but if anything
else
the download sound is the important event sound is a bit loud
though.

.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: 14 November 2017 17:46
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] firefox is now chrome

Chromevox has a long history, back when Chrome book computers first started, they accessed all their aps through the web interface of Chrome browser. ie it was not running windows. They built in a rudamentary screenreader to help people its always been very basic and I have never bothered with it as it was really only relevant in the above context as soon Chrome implimented apis for its windows version which allowed other screenreaders to be used.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 6:39 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] firefox is now chrome

Its a screen reader its more basic than nvda it uses sapi and google tts.




On 14/11/2017 7:35 p.m., zahra wrote:

hello.
could you please someone explane for me in details that whats the
chromevox?
i did not understand whats it.
is it a screen reader which works just in chrome?
if so, which synthesizer does it have?
God bless you all.

On 11/14/17, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:

The only issue I did have was connecting to my bt sync server, and my
router in fact any device with an ip address.

I got a lot of unknowns, I assume it was a security dialog, I had to go
to the address bar, shift tab once, hit the information button then
allow this site always then hit reload, then it let it go through.

I do wish that security dialogs and extention add dialogs got read
chrome dropps into a chrome legacy window instead of a document window
and screen readers can't read legacy windows so well.




On 14/11/2017 11:00 a.m., Sally Kiebdaj wrote:

Hello Mary,


Chrome has an extension called Chromevox which acts as a screen
reader. NVDA also works with Chrome, though.


Warm regards,

Sally



On 11/13/2017 4:47 PM, Mary Otten wrote:

So does chrome have a reader at on, rather like what you get with
Safari either on a Mac or on the phone? The android version of chrome
doesn’t have that, and it’s a huge disadvantage in my opinion. I’m
guessing that the desktop version either has it built in or at least
has an ad on.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 13, 2017, at 1:03 PM, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...>
wrote:

Hi.

Ok guys decided to cut my losses and switched to chrome.

What an experience change.

Its true I need to do a bit more configging but just about every
file just saves now.

And access wize there are accessibility addons.

For me noscript doesn't come but the rest.

First https everywhere, privacy badger and ublock origin exist thats
good.

I use download notifier for sounds, and google sound effects tweaked
so it doesn't make sounds for everything I do key typing scroling
down pages, etc.

However its better than the crappy addon I have on firefox.

Its got accessibility features and its fully configurable, maybe ms
should take a leaf out of google's book for their stuff because
headings for everything.

The only issues I have is when removing addon extentions I have to
hit enter twice as there is a lot of unknown and the same with
adding extentions tab once and hit enter.

I also don't care for the top down approach of the google app store.

However I am fully setup and while it could be better, I do believe
that firefox as it stands is history with me.

Noscript, well its not really important right now, everything works
as needed.

I do feel sad leaving firefox though.

On 14/11/2017 8:51 a.m., Gene wrote:
Why do some people care so much about browser sounds? When a page
has finished opening, you'll know it because the screen-reader
automatically starts to read it. When a page doesn't load for some
reason, a lot of the time there is an error message. When you
download a file, you can easily check the estimated time remaining
for the download. I understand the desire to hear a sound when a
download finishes because that will tell you, without you having to
check or without perhaps getting busy with something else and
forgetting to check in a timely manner. But how much of the
concern with sounds is just habit? Maybe people would be surprised
if they didn't use browser sounds for three days as a trial, how
quickly almost all of the sounds fade into insignificance. Even
the download finished sound may decrease significantly in
importance.
Gene
----- Original Message -----


From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 1:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] firefox sort of fixed


Hi.

Ok, got an addon called download sound this works for downloads,
sadly I
don't get when sites open like navigation sounds, but if anything
else
the download sound is the important event sound is a bit loud
though.

.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 6:39 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] firefox is now chrome

Its a screen reader its more basic than nvda it uses sapi and google tts.




On 14/11/2017 7:35 p.m., zahra wrote:

hello.
could you please someone explane for me in details that whats the chromevox?
i did not understand whats it.
is it a screen reader which works just in chrome?
if so, which synthesizer does it have?
God bless you all.

On 11/14/17, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:

The only issue I did have was connecting to my bt sync server, and my
router in fact any device with an ip address.

I got a lot of unknowns, I assume it was a security dialog, I had to go
to the address bar, shift tab once, hit the information button then
allow this site always then hit reload, then it let it go through.

I do wish that security dialogs and extention add dialogs got read
chrome dropps into a chrome legacy window instead of a document window
and screen readers can't read legacy windows so well.




On 14/11/2017 11:00 a.m., Sally Kiebdaj wrote:

Hello Mary,


Chrome has an extension called Chromevox which acts as a screen
reader. NVDA also works with Chrome, though.


Warm regards,

Sally



On 11/13/2017 4:47 PM, Mary Otten wrote:

So does chrome have a reader at on, rather like what you get with
Safari either on a Mac or on the phone? The android version of chrome
doesn’t have that, and it’s a huge disadvantage in my opinion. I’m
guessing that the desktop version either has it built in or at least
has an ad on.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 13, 2017, at 1:03 PM, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...>
wrote:

Hi.

Ok guys decided to cut my losses and switched to chrome.

What an experience change.

Its true I need to do a bit more configging but just about every
file just saves now.

And access wize there are accessibility addons.

For me noscript doesn't come but the rest.

First https everywhere, privacy badger and ublock origin exist thats
good.

I use download notifier for sounds, and google sound effects tweaked
so it doesn't make sounds for everything I do key typing scroling
down pages, etc.

However its better than the crappy addon I have on firefox.

Its got accessibility features and its fully configurable, maybe ms
should take a leaf out of google's book for their stuff because
headings for everything.

The only issues I have is when removing addon extentions I have to
hit enter twice as there is a lot of unknown and the same with
adding extentions tab once and hit enter.

I also don't care for the top down approach of the google app store.

However I am fully setup and while it could be better, I do believe
that firefox as it stands is history with me.

Noscript, well its not really important right now, everything works
as needed.

I do feel sad leaving firefox though.

On 14/11/2017 8:51 a.m., Gene wrote:
Why do some people care so much about browser sounds? When a page
has finished opening, you'll know it because the screen-reader
automatically starts to read it. When a page doesn't load for some
reason, a lot of the time there is an error message. When you
download a file, you can easily check the estimated time remaining
for the download. I understand the desire to hear a sound when a
download finishes because that will tell you, without you having to
check or without perhaps getting busy with something else and
forgetting to check in a timely manner. But how much of the
concern with sounds is just habit? Maybe people would be surprised
if they didn't use browser sounds for three days as a trial, how
quickly almost all of the sounds fade into insignificance. Even
the download finished sound may decrease significantly in importance.
Gene
----- Original Message -----


From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 1:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] firefox sort of fixed


Hi.

Ok, got an addon called download sound this works for downloads,
sadly I
don't get when sites open like navigation sounds, but if anything else
the download sound is the important event sound is a bit loud though.

.

On 14/11/2017 7:35 p.m., zahra wrote:

hello.
could you please someone explane for me in details that whats the chromevox?
i did not understand whats it.
is it a screen reader which works just in chrome?
if so, which synthesizer does it have?
God bless you all.

On 11/14/17, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:

The only issue I did have was connecting to my bt sync server, and my
router in fact any device with an ip address.

I got a lot of unknowns, I assume it was a security dialog, I had to go
to the address bar, shift tab once, hit the information button then
allow this site always then hit reload, then it let it go through.

I do wish that security dialogs and extention add dialogs got read
chrome dropps into a chrome legacy window instead of a document window
and screen readers can't read legacy windows so well.




On 14/11/2017 11:00 a.m., Sally Kiebdaj wrote:

Hello Mary,


Chrome has an extension called Chromevox which acts as a screen
reader. NVDA also works with Chrome, though.


Warm regards,

Sally



On 11/13/2017 4:47 PM, Mary Otten wrote:

So does chrome have a reader at on, rather like what you get with
Safari either on a Mac or on the phone? The android version of chrome
doesn’t have that, and it’s a huge disadvantage in my opinion. I’m
guessing that the desktop version either has it built in or at least
has an ad on.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 13, 2017, at 1:03 PM, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...>
wrote:

Hi.

Ok guys decided to cut my losses and switched to chrome.

What an experience change.

Its true I need to do a bit more configging but just about every
file just saves now.

And access wize there are accessibility addons.

For me noscript doesn't come but the rest.

First https everywhere, privacy badger and ublock origin exist thats
good.

I use download notifier for sounds, and google sound effects tweaked
so it doesn't make sounds for everything I do key typing scroling
down pages, etc.

However its better than the crappy addon I have on firefox.

Its got accessibility features and its fully configurable, maybe ms
should take a leaf out of google's book for their stuff because
headings for everything.

The only issues I have is when removing addon extentions I have to
hit enter twice as there is a lot of unknown and the same with
adding extentions tab once and hit enter.

I also don't care for the top down approach of the google app store.

However I am fully setup and while it could be better, I do believe
that firefox as it stands is history with me.

Noscript, well its not really important right now, everything works
as needed.

I do feel sad leaving firefox though.

On 14/11/2017 8:51 a.m., Gene wrote:
Why do some people care so much about browser sounds?  When a page
has finished opening, you'll know it because the screen-reader
automatically starts to read it.  When a page doesn't load for some
reason, a lot of the time there is an error message.  When you
download a file, you can easily check the estimated time remaining
for the download.  I understand the desire to hear a sound when a
download finishes because that will tell you, without you having to
check or without perhaps getting busy with something else and
forgetting to check in a timely manner.  But how much of the
concern with sounds is just habit?  Maybe people would be surprised
if they didn't use browser sounds for three days as a trial, how
quickly almost all of the sounds fade into insignificance.  Even
the download finished sound may decrease significantly in importance.
Gene
----- Original Message -----


From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 1:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] firefox sort of fixed


Hi.

Ok, got an addon called download sound this works for downloads,
sadly I
don't get when sites open like navigation sounds, but if anything else
the download sound is the important event sound is a bit loud though.

.

On 11/14/17, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:

The only issue I did have was connecting to my bt sync server, and my
router in fact any device with an ip address.

I got a lot of unknowns, I assume it was a security dialog, I had to go
to the address bar, shift tab once, hit the information button then
allow this site always then hit reload, then it let it go through.

I do wish that security dialogs and extention add dialogs got read
chrome dropps into a chrome legacy window instead of a document window
and screen readers can't read legacy windows so well.




On 14/11/2017 11:00 a.m., Sally Kiebdaj wrote:

Hello Mary,


Chrome has an extension called Chromevox which acts as a screen
reader. NVDA also works with Chrome, though.


Warm regards,

Sally



On 11/13/2017 4:47 PM, Mary Otten wrote:

So does chrome have a reader at on, rather like what you get with
Safari either on a Mac or on the phone? The android version of chrome
doesn’t have that, and it’s a huge disadvantage in my opinion. I’m
guessing that the desktop version either has it built in or at least
has an ad on.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 13, 2017, at 1:03 PM, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...>
wrote:

Hi.

Ok guys decided to cut my losses and switched to chrome.

What an experience change.

Its true I need to do a bit more configging but just about every
file just saves now.

And access wize there are accessibility addons.

For me noscript doesn't come but the rest.

First https everywhere, privacy badger and ublock origin exist thats
good.

I use download notifier for sounds, and google sound effects tweaked
so it doesn't make sounds for everything I do key typing scroling
down pages, etc.

However its better than the crappy addon I have on firefox.

Its got accessibility features and its fully configurable, maybe ms
should take a leaf out of google's book for their stuff because
headings for everything.

The only issues I have is when removing addon extentions I have to
hit enter twice as there is a lot of unknown and the same with
adding extentions tab once and hit enter.

I also don't care for the top down approach of the google app store.

However I am fully setup and while it could be better, I do believe
that firefox as it stands is history with me.

Noscript, well its not really important right now, everything works
as needed.

I do feel sad leaving firefox though.

On 14/11/2017 8:51 a.m., Gene wrote:
Why do some people care so much about browser sounds?  When a page
has finished opening, you'll know it because the screen-reader
automatically starts to read it.  When a page doesn't load for some
reason, a lot of the time there is an error message.  When you
download a file, you can easily check the estimated time remaining
for the download.  I understand the desire to hear a sound when a
download finishes because that will tell you, without you having to
check or without perhaps getting busy with something else and
forgetting to check in a timely manner.  But how much of the
concern with sounds is just habit?  Maybe people would be surprised
if they didn't use browser sounds for three days as a trial, how
quickly almost all of the sounds fade into insignificance.  Even
the download finished sound may decrease significantly in importance.
Gene
----- Original Message -----


From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 1:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] firefox sort of fixed


Hi.

Ok, got an addon called download sound this works for downloads,
sadly I
don't get when sites open like navigation sounds, but if anything else
the download sound is the important event sound is a bit loud though.

.

On 14/11/2017 11:00 a.m., Sally Kiebdaj wrote:

Hello Mary,


Chrome has an extension called Chromevox which acts as a screen reader. NVDA also works with Chrome, though.


Warm regards,

Sally



On 11/13/2017 4:47 PM, Mary Otten wrote:

So does chrome have a reader at on, rather like what you get with Safari either on a Mac or on the phone? The android version of chrome doesn’t have that, and it’s a huge disadvantage in my opinion. I’m guessing that the desktop version either has it built in or at least has an ad on.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 13, 2017, at 1:03 PM, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:

Hi.

Ok guys decided to cut my losses and switched to chrome.

What an experience change.

Its true I need to do a bit more configging but just about every file just saves now.

And access wize there are accessibility addons.

For me noscript doesn't come but the rest.

First https everywhere, privacy badger and ublock origin exist thats good.

I use download notifier for sounds, and google sound effects tweaked so it doesn't make sounds for everything I do key typing scroling down pages, etc.

However its better than the crappy addon I have on firefox.

Its got accessibility features and its fully configurable, maybe ms should take a leaf out of google's book for their stuff because headings for everything.

The only issues I have is when removing addon extentions I have to hit enter twice as there is a lot of unknown and the same with adding extentions tab once and hit enter.

I also don't care for the top down approach of the google app store.

However I am fully setup and while it could be better, I do believe that firefox as it stands is history with me.

Noscript, well its not really important right now, everything works as needed.

I do feel sad leaving firefox though.

On 14/11/2017 8:51 a.m., Gene wrote:
Why do some people care so much about browser sounds?  When a page has finished opening, you'll know it because the screen-reader automatically starts to read it.  When a page doesn't load for some reason, a lot of the time there is an error message.  When you download a file, you can easily check the estimated time remaining for the download.  I understand the desire to hear a sound when a download finishes because that will tell you, without you having to check or without perhaps getting busy with something else and forgetting to check in a timely manner.  But how much of the concern with sounds is just habit?  Maybe people would be surprised if they didn't use browser sounds for three days as a trial, how quickly almost all of the sounds fade into insignificance.  Even the download finished sound may decrease significantly in importance.
Gene
----- Original Message -----


From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 1:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] firefox sort of fixed


Hi.

Ok, got an addon called download sound this works for downloads, sadly I
don't get when sites open like navigation sounds, but if anything else
the download sound is the important event sound is a bit loud though.

.

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 3:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] firefox is now chrome

 

On Nov 13, 2017, at 2:46 PM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

By reader add on, do you mean the feature that removes extraneous material such as blocs of links from articles?  There is nothing directly in Chrome that does that.  I tried an add on that does it awhile ago, but there was an accessibility problem, I don't remember what it was now and I couldn't use it.  others may know of a way to use it or another add on. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Mary Otten

Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 3:47 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] firefox is now chrome

So does chrome have a reader at on, rather like what you get with Safari either on a Mac or on the phone? The android version of chrome doesn’t have that, and it’s a huge disadvantage in my opinion. I’m guessing that the desktop version either has it built in or at least has an ad on.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 13, 2017, at 1:03 PM, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:
>
> Hi.
>
> Ok guys decided to cut my losses and switched to chrome.
>
> What an experience change.
>
> Its true I need to do a bit more configging but just about every file just saves now.
>
> And access wize there are accessibility addons.
>
> For me noscript doesn't come but the rest.
>
> First https everywhere, privacy badger and ublock origin exist thats good.
>
> I use download notifier for sounds, and google sound effects tweaked so it doesn't make sounds for everything I do key typing scroling down pages, etc.
>
> However its better than the crappy addon I have on firefox.
>
> Its got accessibility features and its fully configurable, maybe ms should take a leaf out of google's book for their stuff because headings for everything.
>
> The only issues I have is when removing addon extentions I have to hit enter twice as there is a lot of unknown and the same with adding extentions tab once and hit enter.
>
> I also don't care for the top down approach of the google app store.
>
> However I am fully setup and while it could be better, I do believe that firefox as it stands is history with me.
>
> Noscript, well its not really important right now, everything works as needed.
>
> I do feel sad leaving firefox though.
>
>
>
>
>> On 14/11/2017 8:51 a.m., Gene wrote:
>> Why do some people care so much about browser sounds?  When a page has finished opening, you'll know it because the screen-reader automatically starts to read it.  When a page doesn't load for some reason, a lot of the time there is an error message.  When you download a file, you can easily check the estimated time remaining for the download.  I understand the desire to hear a sound when a download finishes because that will tell you, without you having to check or without perhaps getting busy with something else and forgetting to check in a timely manner.  But how much of the concern with sounds is just habit?  Maybe people would be surprised if they didn't use browser sounds for three days as a trial, how quickly almost all of the sounds fade into insignificance.  Even the download finished sound may decrease significantly in importance.
>> Gene
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>>
>> From: Shaun Everiss
>> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 1:28 PM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: [nvda] firefox sort of fixed
>>
>>
>> Hi.
>>
>> Ok, got an addon called download sound this works for downloads, sadly I
>> don't get when sites open like navigation sounds, but if anything else
>> the download sound is the important event sound is a bit loud though.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>

So does chrome have a reader at on, rather like what you get with Safari either on a Mac or on the phone? The android version of chrome doesn’t have that, and it’s a huge disadvantage in my opinion. I’m guessing that the desktop version either has it built in or at least has an ad on.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 13, 2017, at 1:03 PM, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:
>
> Hi.
>
> Ok guys decided to cut my losses and switched to chrome.
>
> What an experience change.
>
> Its true I need to do a bit more configging but just about every file just saves now.
>
> And access wize there are accessibility addons.
>
> For me noscript doesn't come but the rest.
>
> First https everywhere, privacy badger and ublock origin exist thats good.
>
> I use download notifier for sounds, and google sound effects tweaked so it doesn't make sounds for everything I do key typing scroling down pages, etc.
>
> However its better than the crappy addon I have on firefox.
>
> Its got accessibility features and its fully configurable, maybe ms should take a leaf out of google's book for their stuff because headings for everything.
>
> The only issues I have is when removing addon extentions I have to hit enter twice as there is a lot of unknown and the same with adding extentions tab once and hit enter.
>
> I also don't care for the top down approach of the google app store.
>
> However I am fully setup and while it could be better, I do believe that firefox as it stands is history with me.
>
> Noscript, well its not really important right now, everything works as needed.
>
> I do feel sad leaving firefox though.
>
>
>
>
>> On 14/11/2017 8:51 a.m., Gene wrote:
>> Why do some people care so much about browser sounds?  When a page has finished opening, you'll know it because the screen-reader automatically starts to read it.  When a page doesn't load for some reason, a lot of the time there is an error message.  When you download a file, you can easily check the estimated time remaining for the download.  I understand the desire to hear a sound when a download finishes because that will tell you, without you having to check or without perhaps getting busy with something else and forgetting to check in a timely manner.  But how much of the concern with sounds is just habit?  Maybe people would be surprised if they didn't use browser sounds for three days as a trial, how quickly almost all of the sounds fade into insignificance.  Even the download finished sound may decrease significantly in importance.
>> Gene
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>>
>> From: Shaun Everiss
>> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 1:28 PM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: [nvda] firefox sort of fixed
>>
>>
>> Hi.
>>
>> Ok, got an addon called download sound this works for downloads, sadly I
>> don't get when sites open like navigation sounds, but if anything else
>> the download sound is the important event sound is a bit loud though.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>

On Nov 13, 2017, at 2:00 PM, Sally Kiebdaj <fiddle.pup@...> wrote:

Hello Mary,


Chrome has an extension called Chromevox which acts as a screen reader. NVDA also works with Chrome, though.


Warm regards,

Sally

On 11/13/2017 4:47 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
So does chrome have a reader at on, rather like what you get with Safari either on a Mac or on the phone? The android version of chrome doesn’t have that, and it’s a huge disadvantage in my opinion. I’m guessing that the desktop version either has it built in or at least has an ad on.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 13, 2017, at 1:03 PM, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:

Hi.

Ok guys decided to cut my losses and switched to chrome.

What an experience change.

Its true I need to do a bit more configging but just about every file just saves now.

And access wize there are accessibility addons.

For me noscript doesn't come but the rest.

First https everywhere, privacy badger and ublock origin exist thats good.

I use download notifier for sounds, and google sound effects tweaked so it doesn't make sounds for everything I do key typing scroling down pages, etc.

However its better than the crappy addon I have on firefox.

Its got accessibility features and its fully configurable, maybe ms should take a leaf out of google's book for their stuff because headings for everything.

The only issues I have is when removing addon extentions I have to hit enter twice as there is a lot of unknown and the same with adding extentions tab once and hit enter.

I also don't care for the top down approach of the google app store.

However I am fully setup and while it could be better, I do believe that firefox as it stands is history with me.

Noscript, well its not really important right now, everything works as needed.

I do feel sad leaving firefox though.

On 14/11/2017 8:51 a.m., Gene wrote:
Why do some people care so much about browser sounds? When a page has finished opening, you'll know it because the screen-reader automatically starts to read it. When a page doesn't load for some reason, a lot of the time there is an error message. When you download a file, you can easily check the estimated time remaining for the download. I understand the desire to hear a sound when a download finishes because that will tell you, without you having to check or without perhaps getting busy with something else and forgetting to check in a timely manner. But how much of the concern with sounds is just habit? Maybe people would be surprised if they didn't use browser sounds for three days as a trial, how quickly almost all of the sounds fade into insignificance. Even the download finished sound may decrease significantly in importance.
Gene
----- Original Message -----


From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 1:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] firefox sort of fixed


Hi.

Ok, got an addon called download sound this works for downloads, sadly I
don't get when sites open like navigation sounds, but if anything else
the download sound is the important event sound is a bit loud though.

On 11/13/2017 4:47 PM, Mary Otten wrote:

So does chrome have a reader at on, rather like what you get with Safari either on a Mac or on the phone? The android version of chrome doesn’t have that, and it’s a huge disadvantage in my opinion. I’m guessing that the desktop version either has it built in or at least has an ad on.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 13, 2017, at 1:03 PM, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:

Hi.

Ok guys decided to cut my losses and switched to chrome.

What an experience change.

Its true I need to do a bit more configging but just about every file just saves now.

And access wize there are accessibility addons.

For me noscript doesn't come but the rest.

First https everywhere, privacy badger and ublock origin exist thats good.

I use download notifier for sounds, and google sound effects tweaked so it doesn't make sounds for everything I do key typing scroling down pages, etc.

However its better than the crappy addon I have on firefox.

Its got accessibility features and its fully configurable, maybe ms should take a leaf out of google's book for their stuff because headings for everything.

The only issues I have is when removing addon extentions I have to hit enter twice as there is a lot of unknown and the same with adding extentions tab once and hit enter.

I also don't care for the top down approach of the google app store.

However I am fully setup and while it could be better, I do believe that firefox as it stands is history with me.

Noscript, well its not really important right now, everything works as needed.

I do feel sad leaving firefox though.

On 14/11/2017 8:51 a.m., Gene wrote:
Why do some people care so much about browser sounds? When a page has finished opening, you'll know it because the screen-reader automatically starts to read it. When a page doesn't load for some reason, a lot of the time there is an error message. When you download a file, you can easily check the estimated time remaining for the download. I understand the desire to hear a sound when a download finishes because that will tell you, without you having to check or without perhaps getting busy with something else and forgetting to check in a timely manner. But how much of the concern with sounds is just habit? Maybe people would be surprised if they didn't use browser sounds for three days as a trial, how quickly almost all of the sounds fade into insignificance. Even the download finished sound may decrease significantly in importance.
Gene
----- Original Message -----


From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 1:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] firefox sort of fixed


Hi.

Ok, got an addon called download sound this works for downloads, sadly I
don't get when sites open like navigation sounds, but if anything else
the download sound is the important event sound is a bit loud though.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 1:48 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] firefox is now chrome

So does chrome have a reader at on, rather like what you get with Safari either on a Mac or on the phone? The android version of chrome doesn’t have that, and it’s a huge disadvantage in my opinion. I’m guessing that the desktop version either has it built in or at least has an ad on.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 13, 2017, at 1:03 PM, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:

Hi.

Ok guys decided to cut my losses and switched to chrome.

What an experience change.

Its true I need to do a bit more configging but just about every file just saves now.

And access wize there are accessibility addons.

For me noscript doesn't come but the rest.

First https everywhere, privacy badger and ublock origin exist thats good.

I use download notifier for sounds, and google sound effects tweaked so it doesn't make sounds for everything I do key typing scroling down pages, etc.

However its better than the crappy addon I have on firefox.

Its got accessibility features and its fully configurable, maybe ms should take a leaf out of google's book for their stuff because headings for everything.

The only issues I have is when removing addon extentions I have to hit enter twice as there is a lot of unknown and the same with adding extentions tab once and hit enter.

I also don't care for the top down approach of the google app store.

However I am fully setup and while it could be better, I do believe that firefox as it stands is history with me.

Noscript, well its not really important right now, everything works as needed.

I do feel sad leaving firefox though.

On 14/11/2017 8:51 a.m., Gene wrote:
Why do some people care so much about browser sounds? When a page has finished opening, you'll know it because the screen-reader automatically starts to read it. When a page doesn't load for some reason, a lot of the time there is an error message. When you download a file, you can easily check the estimated time remaining for the download. I understand the desire to hear a sound when a download finishes because that will tell you, without you having to check or without perhaps getting busy with something else and forgetting to check in a timely manner. But how much of the concern with sounds is just habit? Maybe people would be surprised if they didn't use browser sounds for three days as a trial, how quickly almost all of the sounds fade into insignificance. Even the download finished sound may decrease significantly in importance.
Gene
----- Original Message -----


From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 1:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] firefox sort of fixed


Hi.

Ok, got an addon called download sound this works for downloads,
sadly I don't get when sites open like navigation sounds, but if
anything else the download sound is the important event sound is a bit loud though.

On Nov 13, 2017, at 1:03 PM, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:

Hi.

Ok guys decided to cut my losses and switched to chrome.

What an experience change.

Its true I need to do a bit more configging but just about every file just saves now.

And access wize there are accessibility addons.

For me noscript doesn't come but the rest.

First https everywhere, privacy badger and ublock origin exist thats good.

I use download notifier for sounds, and google sound effects tweaked so it doesn't make sounds for everything I do key typing scroling down pages, etc.

However its better than the crappy addon I have on firefox.

Its got accessibility features and its fully configurable, maybe ms should take a leaf out of google's book for their stuff because headings for everything.

The only issues I have is when removing addon extentions I have to hit enter twice as there is a lot of unknown and the same with adding extentions tab once and hit enter.

I also don't care for the top down approach of the google app store.

However I am fully setup and while it could be better, I do believe that firefox as it stands is history with me.

Noscript, well its not really important right now, everything works as needed.

I do feel sad leaving firefox though.

On 14/11/2017 8:51 a.m., Gene wrote:
Why do some people care so much about browser sounds? When a page has finished opening, you'll know it because the screen-reader automatically starts to read it. When a page doesn't load for some reason, a lot of the time there is an error message. When you download a file, you can easily check the estimated time remaining for the download. I understand the desire to hear a sound when a download finishes because that will tell you, without you having to check or without perhaps getting busy with something else and forgetting to check in a timely manner. But how much of the concern with sounds is just habit? Maybe people would be surprised if they didn't use browser sounds for three days as a trial, how quickly almost all of the sounds fade into insignificance. Even the download finished sound may decrease significantly in importance.
Gene
----- Original Message -----


From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 1:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] firefox sort of fixed


Hi.

Ok, got an addon called download sound this works for downloads, sadly I
don't get when sites open like navigation sounds, but if anything else
the download sound is the important event sound is a bit loud though.

On 14/11/2017 8:51 a.m., Gene wrote:

Why do some people care so much about browser sounds? When a page has finished opening, you'll know it because the screen-reader automatically starts to read it. When a page doesn't load for some reason, a lot of the time there is an error message. When you download a file, you can easily check the estimated time remaining for the download. I understand the desire to hear a sound when a download finishes because that will tell you, without you having to check or without perhaps getting busy with something else and forgetting to check in a timely manner. But how much of the concern with sounds is just habit? Maybe people would be surprised if they didn't use browser sounds for three days as a trial, how quickly almost all of the sounds fade into insignificance. Even the download finished sound may decrease significantly in importance.
Gene
----- Original Message -----


From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 1:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] firefox sort of fixed


Hi.

Ok, got an addon called download sound this works for downloads, sadly I
don't get when sites open like navigation sounds, but if anything else
the download sound is the important event sound is a bit loud though.