Hi Gene,

Under the built in phishing and malware settings, it explains that this new feature warns you about potentially dangerous sites and possible malware or phishing dangers.  I believe this would involve the redirection issue.  You are given an option when you load such a site and you can allow or block it.

The options interface has changed and has problems in the new version.  It looks to me as though it is supposed to be a web page or more or less web page-like interface.  For whatever reason, NVDA can't be placed in browse mode when in options and that means that in some fields, related text can't be read.  For example, there is text you can see with object navigation related to the check to see if Firefox is the default browser that tells you whether firefox is currently the default browser.  I haven't looked carefully through the perhaps sixty or seventy settings looking for occasional text that I have to find with object navigation or using alt b to have NVDA read every object on the screen, but I suspect there is text for certain other settings that isn't read and can't be moved to by tabbing.  Tabbing is the only way to move through the interface from the keyboard.

 

The interface has been significantly rearranged, with only four categories and different groupings such as startup in each category.  You tab through them all and through every item in every grouping.  There is no command to move from grouping to grouping when working within a certain category.  If you don't want to work in a certain grouping, it doesn't matter.  If there are five items in the grouping, you must tab through each one.  It's like ribbons without the commands that make ribbons efficient to work with.

 

Since the intent seemns to be to imitate ribbons in the layout, I think the move by grouping commands used in ribbons should be provided, that is, control right arrow and control left arrow to move forward and backward by grouping.  Those who don't like ribbons or are afraid of them don't have to worry.  You work with the interface as you always have, but there are a lot more items to tab through in each category.  Therefore, a means is necessary to allow the user to move by grouping.

 

And, this is very important, where is the command to have Firefox alert you if a page tries to refresh or redirect?  I didn't find it and I don't think it's there.  I searched carefully and repeatedly.  This is a crucial command. 

 

Gene 

-- 
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"

Hi Gene,

Under the built in phishing and malware settings, it explains that this new feature warns you about potentially dangerous sites and possible malware or phishing dangers.  I believe this would involve the redirection issue.  You are given an option when you load such a site and you can allow or block it.

The options interface has changed and has problems in the new version.  It looks to me as though it is supposed to be a web page or more or less web page-like interface.  For whatever reason, NVDA can't be placed in browse mode when in options and that means that in some fields, related text can't be read.  For example, there is text you can see with object navigation related to the check to see if Firefox is the default browser that tells you whether firefox is currently the default browser.  I haven't looked carefully through the perhaps sixty or seventy settings looking for occasional text that I have to find with object navigation or using alt b to have NVDA read every object on the screen, but I suspect there is text for certain other settings that isn't read and can't be moved to by tabbing.  Tabbing is the only way to move through the interface from the keyboard.

 

The interface has been significantly rearranged, with only four categories and different groupings such as startup in each category.  You tab through them all and through every item in every grouping.  There is no command to move from grouping to grouping when working within a certain category.  If you don't want to work in a certain grouping, it doesn't matter.  If there are five items in the grouping, you must tab through each one.  It's like ribbons without the commands that make ribbons efficient to work with.

 

Since the intent seemns to be to imitate ribbons in the layout, I think the move by grouping commands used in ribbons should be provided, that is, control right arrow and control left arrow to move forward and backward by grouping.  Those who don't like ribbons or are afraid of them don't have to worry.  You work with the interface as you always have, but there are a lot more items to tab through in each category.  Therefore, a means is necessary to allow the user to move by grouping.

 

And, this is very important, where is the command to have Firefox alert you if a page tries to refresh or redirect?  I didn't find it and I don't think it's there.  I searched carefully and repeatedly.  This is a crucial command. 

 

Gene 

-- 
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"

Hi Gene,

Under the built in phishing and malware settings, it explains that this new feature warns you about potentially dangerous sites and possible malware or phishing dangers.  I believe this would involve the redirection issue.  You are given an option when you load such a site and you can allow or block it.

The options interface has changed and has problems in the new version.  It looks to me as though it is supposed to be a web page or more or less web page-like interface.  For whatever reason, NVDA can't be placed in browse mode when in options and that means that in some fields, related text can't be read.  For example, there is text you can see with object navigation related to the check to see if Firefox is the default browser that tells you whether firefox is currently the default browser.  I haven't looked carefully through the perhaps sixty or seventy settings looking for occasional text that I have to find with object navigation or using alt b to have NVDA read every object on the screen, but I suspect there is text for certain other settings that isn't read and can't be moved to by tabbing.  Tabbing is the only way to move through the interface from the keyboard.

 

The interface has been significantly rearranged, with only four categories and different groupings such as startup in each category.  You tab through them all and through every item in every grouping.  There is no command to move from grouping to grouping when working within a certain category.  If you don't want to work in a certain grouping, it doesn't matter.  If there are five items in the grouping, you must tab through each one.  It's like ribbons without the commands that make ribbons efficient to work with.

 

Since the intent seemns to be to imitate ribbons in the layout, I think the move by grouping commands used in ribbons should be provided, that is, control right arrow and control left arrow to move forward and backward by grouping.  Those who don't like ribbons or are afraid of them don't have to worry.  You work with the interface as you always have, but there are a lot more items to tab through in each category.  Therefore, a means is necessary to allow the user to move by grouping.

 

And, this is very important, where is the command to have Firefox alert you if a page tries to refresh or redirect?  I didn't find it and I don't think it's there.  I searched carefully and repeatedly.  This is a crucial command. 

 

Gene 

-- 
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"

On 11/18/17, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

Also, I checked and this setting is still in about:config. it has always
been there but until this version, it has been in advanced settings in
options. It has been removed from options. Most people don't know that
about:config exists and if they do, why would they necessarily know that
such a setting is available there? It should be restored to options.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Gene
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 9:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Changes in the options menu and an important missing
setting


Are you talking about the block dangerous and deceptive content setting? If
so, this has nothing specifically to do with blocking redirections per se
and has nothing directly or indirectly to do with stopping refreshes.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Gene
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 8:53 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Changes in the options menu and an important missing
setting


I'll look at the wording later but it sounds to me like a very serious
regression and omission in terms of accessibility. Even if the setting
blocks all redirections, and at this point I don't know if it does, it
evidently doesn't block page refreshes because refreshes aren't a security
threat. Blocking page refreshes is an accessibility function and the
feature should not have been removed.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Ron Canazzi
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 7:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Changes in the options menu and an important missing
setting


Hi Gene,




Under the built in phishing and malware settings, it explains that this new
feature warns you about potentially dangerous sites and possible malware or
phishing dangers. I believe this would involve the redirection issue. You
are given an option when you load such a site and you can allow or block
it.






On 11/17/2017 4:35 PM, Gene wrote:

The options interface has changed and has problems in the new version. It
looks to me as though it is supposed to be a web page or more or less web
page-like interface. For whatever reason, NVDA can't be placed in browse
mode when in options and that means that in some fields, related text can't
be read. For example, there is text you can see with object navigation
related to the check to see if Firefox is the default browser that tells you
whether firefox is currently the default browser. I haven't looked
carefully through the perhaps sixty or seventy settings looking for
occasional text that I have to find with object navigation or using alt b to
have NVDA read every object on the screen, but I suspect there is text for
certain other settings that isn't read and can't be moved to by tabbing.
Tabbing is the only way to move through the interface from the keyboard.

The interface has been significantly rearranged, with only four categories
and different groupings such as startup in each category. You tab through
them all and through every item in every grouping. There is no command to
move from grouping to grouping when working within a certain category. If
you don't want to work in a certain grouping, it doesn't matter. If there
are five items in the grouping, you must tab through each one. It's like
ribbons without the commands that make ribbons efficient to work with.

Since the intent seemns to be to imitate ribbons in the layout, I think
the move by grouping commands used in ribbons should be provided, that is,
control right arrow and control left arrow to move forward and backward by
grouping. Those who don't like ribbons or are afraid of them don't have to
worry. You work with the interface as you always have, but there are a lot
more items to tab through in each category. Therefore, a means is necessary
to allow the user to move by grouping.

And, this is very important, where is the command to have Firefox alert
you if a page tries to refresh or redirect? I didn't find it and I don't
think it's there. I searched carefully and repeatedly. This is a crucial
command.

Gene


--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"

hi gene.
which setting you mentioned that removed from options and is available
only in about:config?
God bless you!

On 11/18/17, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
> Also, I checked and this setting is still in about:config.  it has always
> been there but until this version, it has been in advanced settings in
> options.  It has been removed from options.  Most people don't know that
> about:config exists and if they do, why would they necessarily know that
> such a setting is available there?  It should be restored to options.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Gene
> Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 9:11 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Changes in the options menu and an important missing
> setting
>
>
> Are you talking about the block dangerous and deceptive content setting?  If
> so, this has nothing specifically to do with blocking redirections per se
> and has nothing directly or indirectly to do with stopping refreshes.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Gene
> Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 8:53 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Changes in the options menu and an important missing
> setting
>
>
> I'll look at the wording later but it sounds to me like a very serious
> regression and omission in terms of accessibility.  Even if the setting
> blocks all redirections, and at this point I don't know if it does, it
> evidently doesn't block page refreshes because refreshes aren't a security
> threat.  Blocking page refreshes is an accessibility function and the
> feature should not have been removed.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Ron Canazzi
> Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 7:20 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Changes in the options menu and an important missing
> setting
>
>
> Hi Gene,
>
>
>
>
> Under the built in phishing and malware settings, it explains that this new
> feature warns you about potentially dangerous sites and possible malware or
> phishing dangers.  I believe this would involve the redirection issue.  You
> are given an option when you load such a site and you can allow or block
> it.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 11/17/2017 4:35 PM, Gene wrote:
>
>   The options interface has changed and has problems in the new version.  It
> looks to me as though it is supposed to be a web page or more or less web
> page-like interface.  For whatever reason, NVDA can't be placed in browse
> mode when in options and that means that in some fields, related text can't
> be read.  For example, there is text you can see with object navigation
> related to the check to see if Firefox is the default browser that tells you
> whether firefox is currently the default browser.  I haven't looked
> carefully through the perhaps sixty or seventy settings looking for
> occasional text that I have to find with object navigation or using alt b to
> have NVDA read every object on the screen, but I suspect there is text for
> certain other settings that isn't read and can't be moved to by tabbing.
> Tabbing is the only way to move through the interface from the keyboard.
>
>   The interface has been significantly rearranged, with only four categories
> and different groupings such as startup in each category.  You tab through
> them all and through every item in every grouping.  There is no command to
> move from grouping to grouping when working within a certain category.  If
> you don't want to work in a certain grouping, it doesn't matter.  If there
> are five items in the grouping, you must tab through each one.  It's like
> ribbons without the commands that make ribbons efficient to work with.
>
>   Since the intent seemns to be to imitate ribbons in the layout, I think
> the move by grouping commands used in ribbons should be provided, that is,
> control right arrow and control left arrow to move forward and backward by
> grouping.  Those who don't like ribbons or are afraid of them don't have to
> worry.  You work with the interface as you always have, but there are a lot
> more items to tab through in each category.  Therefore, a means is necessary
> to allow the user to move by grouping.
>
>   And, this is very important, where is the command to have Firefox alert
> you if a page tries to refresh or redirect?  I didn't find it and I don't
> think it's there.  I searched carefully and repeatedly.  This is a crucial
> command.
>
>   Gene
>
>
> --
> They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
> They ask: "How Happy are You?"
> I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"
>


--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 9:35 PM
Subject: [nvda] Changes in the options menu and an important missing setting


The options interface has changed and has problems in the new version. It looks to me as though it is supposed to be a web page or more or less web page-like interface. For whatever reason, NVDA can't be placed in browse mode when in options and that means that in some fields, related text can't be read. For example, there is text you can see with object navigation related to the check to see if Firefox is the default browser that tells you whether firefox is currently the default browser. I haven't looked carefully through the perhaps sixty or seventy settings looking for occasional text that I have to find with object navigation or using alt b to have NVDA read every object on the screen, but I suspect there is text for certain other settings that isn't read and can't be moved to by tabbing. Tabbing is the only way to move through the interface from the keyboard.

The interface has been significantly rearranged, with only four categories and different groupings such as startup in each category. You tab through them all and through every item in every grouping. There is no command to move from grouping to grouping when working within a certain category. If you don't want to work in a certain grouping, it doesn't matter. If there are five items in the grouping, you must tab through each one. It's like ribbons without the commands that make ribbons efficient to work with.

Since the intent seemns to be to imitate ribbons in the layout, I think the move by grouping commands used in ribbons should be provided, that is, control right arrow and control left arrow to move forward and backward by grouping. Those who don't like ribbons or are afraid of them don't have to worry. You work with the interface as you always have, but there are a lot more items to tab through in each category. Therefore, a means is necessary to allow the user to move by grouping.

And, this is very important, where is the command to have Firefox alert you if a page tries to refresh or redirect? I didn't find it and I don't think it's there. I searched carefully and repeatedly. This is a crucial command.

Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2017 2:53 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Changes in the options menu and an important missing setting


I'll look at the wording later but it sounds to me like a very serious regression and omission in terms of accessibility. Even if the setting blocks all redirections, and at this point I don't know if it does, it evidently doesn't block page refreshes because refreshes aren't a security threat. Blocking page refreshes is an accessibility function and the feature should not have been removed.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Ron Canazzi
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 7:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Changes in the options menu and an important missing setting


Hi Gene,




Under the built in phishing and malware settings, it explains that this new feature warns you about potentially dangerous sites and possible malware or phishing dangers. I believe this would involve the redirection issue. You are given an option when you load such a site and you can allow or block it.






On 11/17/2017 4:35 PM, Gene wrote:

The options interface has changed and has problems in the new version. It looks to me as though it is supposed to be a web page or more or less web page-like interface. For whatever reason, NVDA can't be placed in browse mode when in options and that means that in some fields, related text can't be read. For example, there is text you can see with object navigation related to the check to see if Firefox is the default browser that tells you whether firefox is currently the default browser. I haven't looked carefully through the perhaps sixty or seventy settings looking for occasional text that I have to find with object navigation or using alt b to have NVDA read every object on the screen, but I suspect there is text for certain other settings that isn't read and can't be moved to by tabbing. Tabbing is the only way to move through the interface from the keyboard.

The interface has been significantly rearranged, with only four categories and different groupings such as startup in each category. You tab through them all and through every item in every grouping. There is no command to move from grouping to grouping when working within a certain category. If you don't want to work in a certain grouping, it doesn't matter. If there are five items in the grouping, you must tab through each one. It's like ribbons without the commands that make ribbons efficient to work with.

Since the intent seemns to be to imitate ribbons in the layout, I think the move by grouping commands used in ribbons should be provided, that is, control right arrow and control left arrow to move forward and backward by grouping. Those who don't like ribbons or are afraid of them don't have to worry. You work with the interface as you always have, but there are a lot more items to tab through in each category. Therefore, a means is necessary to allow the user to move by grouping.

And, this is very important, where is the command to have Firefox alert you if a page tries to refresh or redirect? I didn't find it and I don't think it's there. I searched carefully and repeatedly. This is a crucial command.

Gene


--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2017 3:23 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Changes in the options menu and an important missing setting


Also, I checked and this setting is still in about:config. it has always been there but until this version, it has been in advanced settings in options. It has been removed from options. Most people don't know that about:config exists and if they do, why would they necessarily know that such a setting is available there? It should be restored to options.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Gene
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 9:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Changes in the options menu and an important missing setting


Are you talking about the block dangerous and deceptive content setting? If so, this has nothing specifically to do with blocking redirections per se and has nothing directly or indirectly to do with stopping refreshes.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Gene
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 8:53 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Changes in the options menu and an important missing setting


I'll look at the wording later but it sounds to me like a very serious regression and omission in terms of accessibility. Even if the setting blocks all redirections, and at this point I don't know if it does, it evidently doesn't block page refreshes because refreshes aren't a security threat. Blocking page refreshes is an accessibility function and the feature should not have been removed.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Ron Canazzi
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 7:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Changes in the options menu and an important missing setting


Hi Gene,




Under the built in phishing and malware settings, it explains that this new feature warns you about potentially dangerous sites and possible malware or phishing dangers. I believe this would involve the redirection issue. You are given an option when you load such a site and you can allow or block it.






On 11/17/2017 4:35 PM, Gene wrote:

The options interface has changed and has problems in the new version. It looks to me as though it is supposed to be a web page or more or less web page-like interface. For whatever reason, NVDA can't be placed in browse mode when in options and that means that in some fields, related text can't be read. For example, there is text you can see with object navigation related to the check to see if Firefox is the default browser that tells you whether firefox is currently the default browser. I haven't looked carefully through the perhaps sixty or seventy settings looking for occasional text that I have to find with object navigation or using alt b to have NVDA read every object on the screen, but I suspect there is text for certain other settings that isn't read and can't be moved to by tabbing. Tabbing is the only way to move through the interface from the keyboard.

The interface has been significantly rearranged, with only four categories and different groupings such as startup in each category. You tab through them all and through every item in every grouping. There is no command to move from grouping to grouping when working within a certain category. If you don't want to work in a certain grouping, it doesn't matter. If there are five items in the grouping, you must tab through each one. It's like ribbons without the commands that make ribbons efficient to work with.

Since the intent seemns to be to imitate ribbons in the layout, I think the move by grouping commands used in ribbons should be provided, that is, control right arrow and control left arrow to move forward and backward by grouping. Those who don't like ribbons or are afraid of them don't have to worry. You work with the interface as you always have, but there are a lot more items to tab through in each category. Therefore, a means is necessary to allow the user to move by grouping.

And, this is very important, where is the command to have Firefox alert you if a page tries to refresh or redirect? I didn't find it and I don't think it's there. I searched carefully and repeatedly. This is a crucial command.

Gene


--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"

----- Original Message -----
From: "zahra" <nasrinkhaksar3@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2017 3:30 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Changes in the options menu and an important missing setting

hi gene.
which setting you mentioned that removed from options and is available
only in about:config?
God bless you!

On 11/18/17, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

Also, I checked and this setting is still in about:config. it has always
been there but until this version, it has been in advanced settings in
options. It has been removed from options. Most people don't know that
about:config exists and if they do, why would they necessarily know that
such a setting is available there? It should be restored to options.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Gene
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 9:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Changes in the options menu and an important missing
setting


Are you talking about the block dangerous and deceptive content setting? If
so, this has nothing specifically to do with blocking redirections per se
and has nothing directly or indirectly to do with stopping refreshes.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Gene
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 8:53 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Changes in the options menu and an important missing
setting


I'll look at the wording later but it sounds to me like a very serious
regression and omission in terms of accessibility. Even if the setting
blocks all redirections, and at this point I don't know if it does, it
evidently doesn't block page refreshes because refreshes aren't a security
threat. Blocking page refreshes is an accessibility function and the
feature should not have been removed.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Ron Canazzi
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 7:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Changes in the options menu and an important missing
setting


Hi Gene,




Under the built in phishing and malware settings, it explains that this new
feature warns you about potentially dangerous sites and possible malware or
phishing dangers. I believe this would involve the redirection issue. You
are given an option when you load such a site and you can allow or block
it.






On 11/17/2017 4:35 PM, Gene wrote:

The options interface has changed and has problems in the new version. It
looks to me as though it is supposed to be a web page or more or less web
page-like interface. For whatever reason, NVDA can't be placed in browse
mode when in options and that means that in some fields, related text can't
be read. For example, there is text you can see with object navigation
related to the check to see if Firefox is the default browser that tells you
whether firefox is currently the default browser. I haven't looked
carefully through the perhaps sixty or seventy settings looking for
occasional text that I have to find with object navigation or using alt b to
have NVDA read every object on the screen, but I suspect there is text for
certain other settings that isn't read and can't be moved to by tabbing.
Tabbing is the only way to move through the interface from the keyboard.

The interface has been significantly rearranged, with only four categories
and different groupings such as startup in each category. You tab through
them all and through every item in every grouping. There is no command to
move from grouping to grouping when working within a certain category. If
you don't want to work in a certain grouping, it doesn't matter. If there
are five items in the grouping, you must tab through each one. It's like
ribbons without the commands that make ribbons efficient to work with.

Since the intent seemns to be to imitate ribbons in the layout, I think
the move by grouping commands used in ribbons should be provided, that is,
control right arrow and control left arrow to move forward and backward by
grouping. Those who don't like ribbons or are afraid of them don't have to
worry. You work with the interface as you always have, but there are a lot
more items to tab through in each category. Therefore, a means is necessary
to allow the user to move by grouping.

And, this is very important, where is the command to have Firefox alert
you if a page tries to refresh or redirect? I didn't find it and I don't
think it's there. I searched carefully and repeatedly. This is a crucial
command.

Gene


--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"

--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org

From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: 18 November 2017 09:00
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Changes in the options menu and an important missing setting

 

Maybe this is why then, I could not find anything to get browse mode to work

at all in windows 7. I think the advice I've seen elsewhere on the web to

ignore 57 and wait for 59 might well be the best course.

Seems once again somebody has been too hasty in wanting to show off their

new creation, then  trips over in their hurry and ends up face down in the

mud. oops!

 

Brian

 

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----- Original Message -----

From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>

To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 9:35 PM

Subject: [nvda] Changes in the options menu and an important missing setting

 

 

The options interface has changed and has problems in the new version.  It

looks to me as though it is supposed to be a web page or more or less web

page-like interface.  For whatever reason, NVDA can't be placed in browse

mode when in options and that means that in some fields, related text can't

be read.  For example, there is text you can see with object navigation

related to the check to see if Firefox is the default browser that tells you

whether firefox is currently the default browser.  I haven't looked

carefully through the perhaps sixty or seventy settings looking for

occasional text that I have to find with object navigation or using alt b to

have NVDA read every object on the screen, but I suspect there is text for

certain other settings that isn't read and can't be moved to by tabbing.

Tabbing is the only way to move through the interface from the keyboard.

 

The interface has been significantly rearranged, with only four categories

and different groupings such as startup in each category.  You tab through

them all and through every item in every grouping.  There is no command to

move from grouping to grouping when working within a certain category.  If

you don't want to work in a certain grouping, it doesn't matter.  If there

are five items in the grouping, you must tab through each one.  It's like

ribbons without the commands that make ribbons efficient to work with.

 

Since the intent seemns to be to imitate ribbons in the layout, I think the

move by grouping commands used in ribbons should be provided, that is,

control right arrow and control left arrow to move forward and backward by

grouping.  Those who don't like ribbons or are afraid of them don't have to

worry.  You work with the interface as you always have, but there are a lot

more items to tab through in each category.  Therefore, a means is necessary

to allow the user to move by grouping.

 

And, this is very important, where is the command to have Firefox alert you

if a page tries to refresh or redirect?  I didn't find it and I don't think

it's there.  I searched carefully and repeatedly.  This is a crucial

command.

 

Gene

 

 

 

 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris" <chrismedley@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2017 9:18 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Changes in the options menu and an important missing setting


To be fair , they did release a statement regarding compatibility with nvda and Firefox 57, so it s not as if we didn’t know this already there is gonna be problems until at least Firefox 58 at the earliest



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Sent: 18 November 2017 09:00
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Changes in the options menu and an important missing setting

Maybe this is why then, I could not find anything to get browse mode to work
at all in windows 7. I think the advice I've seen elsewhere on the web to
ignore 57 and wait for 59 might well be the best course.
Seems once again somebody has been too hasty in wanting to show off their
new creation, then trips over in their hurry and ends up face down in the
mud. oops!

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 9:35 PM
Subject: [nvda] Changes in the options menu and an important missing setting


The options interface has changed and has problems in the new version. It
looks to me as though it is supposed to be a web page or more or less web
page-like interface. For whatever reason, NVDA can't be placed in browse
mode when in options and that means that in some fields, related text can't
be read. For example, there is text you can see with object navigation
related to the check to see if Firefox is the default browser that tells you
whether firefox is currently the default browser. I haven't looked
carefully through the perhaps sixty or seventy settings looking for
occasional text that I have to find with object navigation or using alt b to
have NVDA read every object on the screen, but I suspect there is text for
certain other settings that isn't read and can't be moved to by tabbing.
Tabbing is the only way to move through the interface from the keyboard.

The interface has been significantly rearranged, with only four categories
and different groupings such as startup in each category. You tab through
them all and through every item in every grouping. There is no command to
move from grouping to grouping when working within a certain category. If
you don't want to work in a certain grouping, it doesn't matter. If there
are five items in the grouping, you must tab through each one. It's like
ribbons without the commands that make ribbons efficient to work with.

Since the intent seemns to be to imitate ribbons in the layout, I think the
move by grouping commands used in ribbons should be provided, that is,
control right arrow and control left arrow to move forward and backward by
grouping. Those who don't like ribbons or are afraid of them don't have to
worry. You work with the interface as you always have, but there are a lot
more items to tab through in each category. Therefore, a means is necessary
to allow the user to move by grouping.

And, this is very important, where is the command to have Firefox alert you
if a page tries to refresh or redirect? I didn't find it and I don't think
it's there. I searched carefully and repeatedly. This is a crucial
command.

Gene

Hi Gene,

Maybe I misunderstood, but when I clicked on the 'read more' explanation of blocking dangerous and deceptive websites, it did seem to indicate that you would be alerted to sites that would try redirecting to another address.  Maybe I read this link wrong, but that is the way I interpreted it.

Are you talking about the block dangerous and deceptive content setting?  If so, this has nothing specifically to do with blocking redirections per se and has nothing directly or indirectly to do with stopping refreshes. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Gene

Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 8:53 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Changes in the options menu and an important missing setting

I'll look at the wording later but it sounds to me like a very serious regression and omission in terms of accessibility.  Even if the setting blocks all redirections, and at this point I don't know if it does, it evidently doesn't block page refreshes because refreshes aren't a security threat.  Blocking page refreshes is an accessibility function and the feature should not have been removed.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Ron Canazzi

Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 7:20 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Changes in the options menu and an important missing setting

Hi Gene,

Under the built in phishing and malware settings, it explains that this new feature warns you about potentially dangerous sites and possible malware or phishing dangers.  I believe this would involve the redirection issue.  You are given an option when you load such a site and you can allow or block it.

On 11/17/2017 4:35 PM, Gene wrote:

The options interface has changed and has problems in the new version.  It looks to me as though it is supposed to be a web page or more or less web page-like interface.  For whatever reason, NVDA can't be placed in browse mode when in options and that means that in some fields, related text can't be read.  For example, there is text you can see with object navigation related to the check to see if Firefox is the default browser that tells you whether firefox is currently the default browser.  I haven't looked carefully through the perhaps sixty or seventy settings looking for occasional text that I have to find with object navigation or using alt b to have NVDA read every object on the screen, but I suspect there is text for certain other settings that isn't read and can't be moved to by tabbing.  Tabbing is the only way to move through the interface from the keyboard.

 

The interface has been significantly rearranged, with only four categories and different groupings such as startup in each category.  You tab through them all and through every item in every grouping.  There is no command to move from grouping to grouping when working within a certain category.  If you don't want to work in a certain grouping, it doesn't matter.  If there are five items in the grouping, you must tab through each one.  It's like ribbons without the commands that make ribbons efficient to work with.

 

Since the intent seemns to be to imitate ribbons in the layout, I think the move by grouping commands used in ribbons should be provided, that is, control right arrow and control left arrow to move forward and backward by grouping.  Those who don't like ribbons or are afraid of them don't have to worry.  You work with the interface as you always have, but there are a lot more items to tab through in each category.  Therefore, a means is necessary to allow the user to move by grouping.

 

And, this is very important, where is the command to have Firefox alert you if a page tries to refresh or redirect?  I didn't find it and I don't think it's there.  I searched carefully and repeatedly.  This is a crucial command. 

 

Gene 

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They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"

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They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"

Il 18/11/2017 14:10, Gene ha scritto:

I haven't looked at the explanatory information yet.  If you are saying this feature stops all redirections, then that may be equivalent to the old feature in terms of stopping redirections.  Since it specifies dangerous and deceptive web sites in the name of the feature, that implies that it doesn't stop all redirections.  But that may be a case of a descriptive label being misleading.
Even if it does stop all redirections, it does nothing to stop refreshes and that is my main concern.  An important accessibility function has been removed from the user interface of Firefox, as far as I can tell, in this version.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Ron Canazzi <mailto:aa2vm@...>
*Sent:* Saturday, November 18, 2017 12:30 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Changes in the options menu and an important missing setting

Hi Gene,


Maybe I misunderstood, but when I clicked on the 'read more' explanation of blocking dangerous and deceptive websites, it did seem to indicate that you would be alerted to sites that would try redirecting to another address.  Maybe I read this link wrong, but that is the way I interpreted it.



On 11/17/2017 10:11 PM, Gene wrote:

Are you talking about the block dangerous and deceptive content setting?  If so, this has nothing specifically to do with blocking redirections per se and has nothing directly or indirectly to do with stopping refreshes.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Gene <mailto:gsasner@...>
*Sent:* Friday, November 17, 2017 8:53 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Changes in the options menu and an important missing setting

I'll look at the wording later but it sounds to me like a very serious regression and omission in terms of accessibility.  Even if the setting blocks all redirections, and at this point I don't know if it does, it evidently doesn't block page refreshes because refreshes aren't a security threat.  Blocking page refreshes is an accessibility function and the feature should not have been removed.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Ron Canazzi <mailto:aa2vm@...>
*Sent:* Friday, November 17, 2017 7:20 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Changes in the options menu and an important missing setting

Hi Gene,


Under the built in phishing and malware settings, it explains that this new feature warns you about potentially dangerous sites and possible malware or phishing dangers.  I believe this would involve the redirection issue.  You are given an option when you load such a site and you can allow or block it.



On 11/17/2017 4:35 PM, Gene wrote:

The options interface has changed and has problems in the new version.  It looks to me as though it is supposed to be a web page or more or less web page-like interface.  For whatever reason, NVDA can't be placed in browse mode when in options and that means that in some fields, related text can't be read.  For example, there is text you can see with object navigation related to the check to see if Firefox is the default browser that tells you whether firefox is currently the default browser.  I haven't looked carefully through the perhaps sixty or seventy settings looking for occasional text that I have to find with object navigation or using alt b to have NVDA read every object on the screen, but I suspect there is text for certain other settings that isn't read and can't be moved to by tabbing.  Tabbing is the only way to move through the interface from the keyboard.
The interface has been significantly rearranged, with only four categories and different groupings such as startup in each category.  You tab through them all and through every item in every grouping.  There is no command to move from grouping to grouping when working within a certain category.  If you don't want to work in a certain grouping, it doesn't matter.  If there are five items in the grouping, you must tab through each one.  It's like ribbons without the commands that make ribbons efficient to work with.
Since the intent seemns to be to imitate ribbons in the layout, I think the move by grouping commands used in ribbons should be provided, that is, control right arrow and control left arrow to move forward and backward by grouping.  Those who don't like ribbons or are afraid of them don't have to worry.  You work with the interface as you always have, but there are a lot more items to tab through in each category.  Therefore, a means is necessary to allow the user to move by grouping.
And, this is very important, where is the command to have Firefox alert you if a page tries to refresh or redirect?  I didn't find it and I don't think it's there.  I searched carefully and repeatedly.  This is a crucial command.
Gene

--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"

--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"

Maybe this is why then, I could not find anything to get browse mode to work
at all in windows 7. I think the advice I've seen elsewhere on the web to
ignore 57 and wait for 59 might well be the best course.
 Seems once again somebody has been too hasty in wanting to show off their
new creation, then  trips over in their hurry and ends up face down in the
mud. oops!

Brian

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Sent via blueyonder.
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briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 9:35 PM
Subject: [nvda] Changes in the options menu and an important missing setting


The options interface has changed and has problems in the new version.  It
looks to me as though it is supposed to be a web page or more or less web
page-like interface.  For whatever reason, NVDA can't be placed in browse
mode when in options and that means that in some fields, related text can't
be read.  For example, there is text you can see with object navigation
related to the check to see if Firefox is the default browser that tells you
whether firefox is currently the default browser.  I haven't looked
carefully through the perhaps sixty or seventy settings looking for
occasional text that I have to find with object navigation or using alt b to
have NVDA read every object on the screen, but I suspect there is text for
certain other settings that isn't read and can't be moved to by tabbing.
Tabbing is the only way to move through the interface from the keyboard.

The interface has been significantly rearranged, with only four categories
and different groupings such as startup in each category.  You tab through
them all and through every item in every grouping.  There is no command to
move from grouping to grouping when working within a certain category.  If
you don't want to work in a certain grouping, it doesn't matter.  If there
are five items in the grouping, you must tab through each one.  It's like
ribbons without the commands that make ribbons efficient to work with.

Since the intent seemns to be to imitate ribbons in the layout, I think the
move by grouping commands used in ribbons should be provided, that is,
control right arrow and control left arrow to move forward and backward by
grouping.  Those who don't like ribbons or are afraid of them don't have to
worry.  You work with the interface as you always have, but there are a lot
more items to tab through in each category.  Therefore, a means is necessary
to allow the user to move by grouping.

And, this is very important, where is the command to have Firefox alert you
if a page tries to refresh or redirect?  I didn't find it and I don't think
it's there.  I searched carefully and repeatedly.  This is a crucial
command.

Gene

Hi Gene,

Maybe I misunderstood, but when I clicked on the 'read more' explanation of blocking dangerous and deceptive websites, it did seem to indicate that you would be alerted to sites that would try redirecting to another address.  Maybe I read this link wrong, but that is the way I interpreted it.

Are you talking about the block dangerous and deceptive content setting?  If so, this has nothing specifically to do with blocking redirections per se and has nothing directly or indirectly to do with stopping refreshes. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Gene

Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 8:53 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Changes in the options menu and an important missing setting

I'll look at the wording later but it sounds to me like a very serious regression and omission in terms of accessibility.  Even if the setting blocks all redirections, and at this point I don't know if it does, it evidently doesn't block page refreshes because refreshes aren't a security threat.  Blocking page refreshes is an accessibility function and the feature should not have been removed.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Ron Canazzi

Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 7:20 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Changes in the options menu and an important missing setting

Hi Gene,

Under the built in phishing and malware settings, it explains that this new feature warns you about potentially dangerous sites and possible malware or phishing dangers.  I believe this would involve the redirection issue.  You are given an option when you load such a site and you can allow or block it.

On 11/17/2017 4:35 PM, Gene wrote:

The options interface has changed and has problems in the new version.  It looks to me as though it is supposed to be a web page or more or less web page-like interface.  For whatever reason, NVDA can't be placed in browse mode when in options and that means that in some fields, related text can't be read.  For example, there is text you can see with object navigation related to the check to see if Firefox is the default browser that tells you whether firefox is currently the default browser.  I haven't looked carefully through the perhaps sixty or seventy settings looking for occasional text that I have to find with object navigation or using alt b to have NVDA read every object on the screen, but I suspect there is text for certain other settings that isn't read and can't be moved to by tabbing.  Tabbing is the only way to move through the interface from the keyboard.

 

The interface has been significantly rearranged, with only four categories and different groupings such as startup in each category.  You tab through them all and through every item in every grouping.  There is no command to move from grouping to grouping when working within a certain category.  If you don't want to work in a certain grouping, it doesn't matter.  If there are five items in the grouping, you must tab through each one.  It's like ribbons without the commands that make ribbons efficient to work with.

 

Since the intent seemns to be to imitate ribbons in the layout, I think the move by grouping commands used in ribbons should be provided, that is, control right arrow and control left arrow to move forward and backward by grouping.  Those who don't like ribbons or are afraid of them don't have to worry.  You work with the interface as you always have, but there are a lot more items to tab through in each category.  Therefore, a means is necessary to allow the user to move by grouping.

 

And, this is very important, where is the command to have Firefox alert you if a page tries to refresh or redirect?  I didn't find it and I don't think it's there.  I searched carefully and repeatedly.  This is a crucial command. 

 

Gene 

-- 
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"

-- 
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"