The next line , 1/2 cup flour is echoed by NVDA as 1 slash 2 Cuban pesos flour. Does anyone else using NVDA hear it that way? I am baffled.
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Hi, What synthesizer are you using? Cheers, Joseph
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-----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brice Mijares Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 9:10 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] what NVDA echos
The next line , 1/2 cup flour is echoed by NVDA as 1 slash 2 Cuban pesos flour. Does anyone else using NVDA hear it that way? I am baffled.
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I think access 32 with one core voice David, I think. Thank you.
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On 11/26/2017 9:30 AM, Joseph Lee wrote: Hi, What synthesizer are you using? Cheers, Joseph -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brice Mijares Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 9:10 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] what NVDA echos The next line , 1/2 cup flour is echoed by NVDA as 1 slash 2 Cuban pesos flour. Does anyone else using NVDA hear it that way? I am baffled.
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Hi, I'm thinking Espeak NG won't have this problem for now. Most of the things you hear (well, for cases like the one outlined below) is controlled by speech synthesizers. Cheers, Joseph
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-----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brice Mijares Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 9:36 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] what NVDA echos I think access 32 with one core voice David, I think. Thank you. On 11/26/2017 9:30 AM, Joseph Lee wrote: Hi, What synthesizer are you using? Cheers, Joseph
-----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brice Mijares Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 9:10 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] what NVDA echos
The next line , 1/2 cup flour is echoed by NVDA as 1 slash 2 Cuban pesos flour. Does anyone else using NVDA hear it that way? I am baffled.
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Do you recommend removing access 32? Also, I have speech rate set at 90 and it's still slow. Thank you.
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On 11/26/2017 9:41 AM, Joseph Lee wrote: Hi, I'm thinking Espeak NG won't have this problem for now. Most of the things you hear (well, for cases like the one outlined below) is controlled by speech synthesizers. Cheers, Joseph -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brice Mijares Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 9:36 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] what NVDA echos I think access 32 with one core voice David, I think. Thank you. On 11/26/2017 9:30 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi, What synthesizer are you using? Cheers, Joseph
-----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brice Mijares Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 9:10 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] what NVDA echos
The next line , 1/2 cup flour is echoed by NVDA as 1 slash 2 Cuban pesos flour. Does anyone else using NVDA hear it that way? I am baffled.
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Hi, Depends on the route you took to obtain that synthesizer (if it's the one I'm thinking of). Cheers, Joseph
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-----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brice Mijares Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 9:48 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] what NVDA echos Do you recommend removing access 32? Also, I have speech rate set at 90 and it's still slow. Thank you. On 11/26/2017 9:41 AM, Joseph Lee wrote: Hi, I'm thinking Espeak NG won't have this problem for now. Most of the things you hear (well, for cases like the one outlined below) is controlled by speech synthesizers. Cheers, Joseph
-----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brice Mijares Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 9:36 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] what NVDA echos
I think access 32 with one core voice David, I think. Thank you.
On 11/26/2017 9:30 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi, What synthesizer are you using? Cheers, Joseph
-----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brice Mijares Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 9:10 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] what NVDA echos
The next line , 1/2 cup flour is echoed by NVDA as 1 slash 2 Cuban pesos flour. Does anyone else using NVDA hear it that way? I am baffled.
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I don't hear that, it reads fine for me. But with SAPI 5 Code Factory Eloquence, HTML headings can get pretty messed up, e.g. if heading one is Mary it will read as like "March stwan Mary", because it's interpreting the heading number as a date, I think. So you can get some odd stuff, depending on the synth you're using.
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On 11/26/2017 12:08, Joseph Lee wrote: Hi, Depends on the route you took to obtain that synthesizer (if it's the one I'm thinking of). Cheers, Joseph
-----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brice Mijares Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 9:48 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] what NVDA echos
Do you recommend removing access 32? Also, I have speech rate set at 90 and it's still slow. Thank you.
On 11/26/2017 9:41 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi, I'm thinking Espeak NG won't have this problem for now. Most of the things you hear (well, for cases like the one outlined below) is controlled by speech synthesizers. Cheers, Joseph
-----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brice Mijares Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 9:36 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] what NVDA echos
I think access 32 with one core voice David, I think. Thank you.
On 11/26/2017 9:30 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi, What synthesizer are you using? Cheers, Joseph
-----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brice Mijares Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 9:10 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] what NVDA echos
The next line , 1/2 cup flour is echoed by NVDA as 1 slash 2 Cuban pesos flour. Does anyone else using NVDA hear it that way? I am baffled.
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You are correct. At the time I was unaware. If I remove this ad on what will it default to? Thank You.
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On 11/26/2017 10:08 AM, Joseph Lee wrote: Hi, Depends on the route you took to obtain that synthesizer (if it's the one I'm thinking of). Cheers, Joseph -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brice Mijares Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 9:48 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] what NVDA echos Do you recommend removing access 32? Also, I have speech rate set at 90 and it's still slow. Thank you. On 11/26/2017 9:41 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi, I'm thinking Espeak NG won't have this problem for now. Most of the things you hear (well, for cases like the one outlined below) is controlled by speech synthesizers. Cheers, Joseph
-----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brice Mijares Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 9:36 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] what NVDA echos
I think access 32 with one core voice David, I think. Thank you.
On 11/26/2017 9:30 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi, What synthesizer are you using? Cheers, Joseph
-----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brice Mijares Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 9:10 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] what NVDA echos
The next line , 1/2 cup flour is echoed by NVDA as 1 slash 2 Cuban pesos flour. Does anyone else using NVDA hear it that way? I am baffled.
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Well I removed decaccess32 and using the one core voice David and still hearing 1 slash 2 cuban pesos flour. for the following line. 1/2 cup flour. And if I add s to cup, it says it correctly. Stilled baffled!
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On 11/26/2017 10:35 AM, John Isige wrote: I don't hear that, it reads fine for me. But with SAPI 5 Code Factory Eloquence, HTML headings can get pretty messed up, e.g. if heading one is Mary it will read as like "March stwan Mary", because it's interpreting the heading number as a date, I think. So you can get some odd stuff, depending on the synth you're using. On 11/26/2017 12:08, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi, Depends on the route you took to obtain that synthesizer (if it's the one I'm thinking of). Cheers, Joseph
-----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brice Mijares Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 9:48 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] what NVDA echos
Do you recommend removing access 32? Also, I have speech rate set at 90 and it's still slow. Thank you.
On 11/26/2017 9:41 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi, I'm thinking Espeak NG won't have this problem for now. Most of the things you hear (well, for cases like the one outlined below) is controlled by speech synthesizers. Cheers, Joseph
-----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brice Mijares Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 9:36 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] what NVDA echos
I think access 32 with one core voice David, I think. Thank you.
On 11/26/2017 9:30 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi, What synthesizer are you using? Cheers, Joseph
-----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brice Mijares Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 9:10 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] what NVDA echos
The next line , 1/2 cup flour is echoed by NVDA as 1 slash 2 Cuban pesos flour. Does anyone else using NVDA hear it that way? I am baffled.
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If you open the NVDA preferences and then open the default speech
dictionary you can fix this.
I did by specifying cup as the new entry. Next I entered cuhp as
the replacement string.
It now speaks it correctly.
Hope this helps.
Dan Beaver
On 11/26/2017 2:07 PM, Brice Mijares
wrote:
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Well
I removed decaccess32 and using the one core voice David and still
hearing 1 slash 2 cuban pesos flour. for the following line.
1/2 cup flour.
And if I add s to cup, it says it correctly. Stilled baffled!
On 11/26/2017 10:35 AM, John Isige wrote:
I don't hear that, it reads fine for me.
But with SAPI 5 Code Factory Eloquence, HTML headings can get
pretty messed up, e.g. if heading one is Mary it will read as
like "March stwan Mary", because it's interpreting the heading
number as a date, I think. So you can get some odd stuff,
depending on the synth you're using.
On 11/26/2017 12:08, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
Depends on the route you took to obtain that synthesizer (if
it's the one I'm thinking of).
Cheers,
Joseph
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Brice Mijares
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 9:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] what NVDA echos
Do you recommend removing access 32? Also, I have speech rate
set at 90 and it's still slow. Thank you.
On 11/26/2017 9:41 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
I'm thinking Espeak NG won't have this problem for now. Most
of the things you hear (well, for cases like the one
outlined below) is controlled by speech synthesizers.
Cheers,
Joseph
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
Brice Mijares
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 9:36 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] what NVDA echos
I think access 32 with one core voice David, I think. Thank
you.
On 11/26/2017 9:30 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
What synthesizer are you using?
Cheers,
Joseph
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
Brice Mijares
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 9:10 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] what NVDA echos
The next line ,
1/2 cup flour
is echoed by NVDA as 1 slash 2 Cuban pesos flour. Does
anyone else using NVDA hear it that way? I am baffled.
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brilliant idea. , I'll give it a shot. Thank you.
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On 11/26/2017 11:25 AM, Dan Beaver wrote: If you open the NVDA preferences and then open the default speech dictionary you can fix this. I did by specifying cup as the new entry. Next I entered cuhp as the replacement string. It now speaks it correctly. Hope this helps. Dan Beaver On 11/26/2017 2:07 PM, Brice Mijares wrote:
Well I removed decaccess32 and using the one core voice David and still hearing 1 slash 2 cuban pesos flour. for the following line. 1/2 cup flour. And if I add s to cup, it says it correctly. Stilled baffled!
On 11/26/2017 10:35 AM, John Isige wrote:
I don't hear that, it reads fine for me. But with SAPI 5 Code Factory Eloquence, HTML headings can get pretty messed up, e.g. if heading one is Mary it will read as like "March stwan Mary", because it's interpreting the heading number as a date, I think. So you can get some odd stuff, depending on the synth you're using.
On 11/26/2017 12:08, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi, Depends on the route you took to obtain that synthesizer (if it's the one I'm thinking of). Cheers, Joseph
-----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brice Mijares Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 9:48 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] what NVDA echos
Do you recommend removing access 32? Also, I have speech rate set at 90 and it's still slow. Thank you.
On 11/26/2017 9:41 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi, I'm thinking Espeak NG won't have this problem for now. Most of the things you hear (well, for cases like the one outlined below) is controlled by speech synthesizers. Cheers, Joseph
-----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brice Mijares Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 9:36 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] what NVDA echos
I think access 32 with one core voice David, I think. Thank you.
On 11/26/2017 9:30 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi, What synthesizer are you using? Cheers, Joseph
-----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brice Mijares Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 9:10 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] what NVDA echos
The next line , 1/2 cup flour is echoed by NVDA as 1 slash 2 Cuban pesos flour. Does anyone else using NVDA hear it that way? I am baffled.
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If cup is the abbreviation for Cuban
pesos, adding an s may cause it not to be recognized since it isn't
the correct form. Are you objecting to the slash or the Cuban Pesos?
How is your punctuation set? You will have to set it to none not to hear
the slash.
Also, let's be sure nothing is being overlooked. It
is unlikely that the word cup would be read as Cuban pesos by any synthesizer or
screen-reader. If it were, then any time the word cup were found in text,
it would be read as Cuban pesos as in "My Cuban pesos runneth over." So
check the recipe. How, exactly is it written? Is it written as cup
or as cp? Is it small letters or capitalized?
Gene
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 1:07 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] what NVDA echos
Well I removed decaccess32 and using the one core voice David and
still hearing 1 slash 2 cuban pesos flour. for the following line. 1/2
cup flour. And if I add s to cup, it says it correctly. Stilled
baffled!
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On 11/26/2017 10:35 AM, John Isige wrote: > I don't hear
that, it reads fine for me. But with SAPI 5 Code Factory > Eloquence,
HTML headings can get pretty messed up, e.g. if heading one > is Mary it
will read as like "March stwan Mary", because it's > interpreting the
heading number as a date, I think. So you can get some > odd stuff,
depending on the synth you're using. > > > On 11/26/2017
12:08, Joseph Lee wrote: >> Hi, >> Depends on the route you
took to obtain that synthesizer (if it's the >> one I'm thinking
of). >> Cheers, >> Joseph >> >>
-----Original Message----- >> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of >> Brice Mijares >>
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 9:48 AM >> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io>> Subject:
Re: [nvda] what NVDA echos >> >> Do you recommend removing
access 32? Also, I have speech rate set at >> 90 and it's still slow.
Thank you. >> >> On 11/26/2017 9:41 AM, Joseph Lee
wrote: >>> Hi, >>> I'm thinking Espeak NG won't have
this problem for now. Most of the >>> things you hear (well, for
cases like the one outlined below) is >>> controlled by speech
synthesizers. >>> Cheers, >>>
Joseph >>> >>> -----Original
Message----- >>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of >>> Brice
Mijares >>> Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 9:36 AM >>>
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io>>>
Subject: Re: [nvda] what NVDA echos >>> >>> I think
access 32 with one core voice David, I think. Thank
you. >>> >>> On 11/26/2017 9:30 AM, Joseph Lee
wrote: >>>> Hi, >>>> What synthesizer are you
using? >>>> Cheers, >>>>
Joseph >>>> >>>> -----Original
Message----- >>>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of >>>> Brice
Mijares >>>> Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 9:10
AM >>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io>>>>
Subject: [nvda] what NVDA echos >>>> >>>> The next
line , >>>> 1/2 cup flour >>>> is echoed by NVDA
as 1 slash 2 Cuban pesos flour. Does anyone else >>>> using NVDA
hear it that way? I am
baffled. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> > > >
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I just wrote the following line in notepad. 1/2 cup flour. it read perfectly using window Eyes and Jaws, but NVDA says Cuban Peso for the word cup. You'd want the / mark to know it's .5cup No big deal knowing that It has something to do with NVDA since no other screen reader says Cuban Pesos. Thanks
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On 11/26/2017 11:38 AM, Gene wrote: If cup is the abbreviation for Cuban pesos, adding an s may cause it not to be recognized since it isn't the correct form. Are you objecting to the slash or the Cuban Pesos? How is your punctuation set? You will have to set it to none not to hear the slash. Also, let's be sure nothing is being overlooked. It is unlikely that the word cup would be read as Cuban pesos by any synthesizer or screen-reader. If it were, then any time the word cup were found in text, it would be read as Cuban pesos as in "My Cuban pesos runneth over." So check the recipe. How, exactly is it written? Is it written as cup or as cp? Is it small letters or capitalized? Gene *From:* Brice Mijares <mailto:bricemijares@...> *Sent:* Sunday, November 26, 2017 1:07 PM *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] what NVDA echos Well I removed decaccess32 and using the one core voice David and still hearing 1 slash 2 cuban pesos flour. for the following line. 1/2 cup flour. And if I add s to cup, it says it correctly. Stilled baffled! On 11/26/2017 10:35 AM, John Isige wrote: > I don't hear that, it reads fine for me. But with SAPI 5 Code Factory > Eloquence, HTML headings can get pretty messed up, e.g. if heading one > is Mary it will read as like "March stwan Mary", because it's > interpreting the heading number as a date, I think. So you can get some > odd stuff, depending on the synth you're using. > > > On 11/26/2017 12:08, Joseph Lee wrote: >> Hi, >> Depends on the route you took to obtain that synthesizer (if it's the >> one I'm thinking of). >> Cheers, >> Joseph >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of >> Brice Mijares >> Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 9:48 AM >> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> >> Subject: Re: [nvda] what NVDA echos >> >> Do you recommend removing access 32? Also, I have speech rate set at >> 90 and it's still slow. Thank you. >> >> On 11/26/2017 9:41 AM, Joseph Lee wrote: >>> Hi, >>> I'm thinking Espeak NG won't have this problem for now. Most of the >>> things you hear (well, for cases like the one outlined below) is >>> controlled by speech synthesizers. >>> Cheers, >>> Joseph >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of >>> Brice Mijares >>> Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 9:36 AM >>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> >>> Subject: Re: [nvda] what NVDA echos >>> >>> I think access 32 with one core voice David, I think. Thank you. >>> >>> On 11/26/2017 9:30 AM, Joseph Lee wrote: >>>> Hi, >>>> What synthesizer are you using? >>>> Cheers, >>>> Joseph >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of >>>> Brice Mijares >>>> Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 9:10 AM >>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> >>>> Subject: [nvda] what NVDA echos >>>> >>>> The next line , >>>> 1/2 cup flour >>>> is echoed by NVDA as 1 slash 2 Cuban pesos flour. Does anyone else >>>> using NVDA hear it that way? I am baffled. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > >
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This is synth dependent. Under the one core voices I get Cuban Pesos too, but under Eloquence it reads just fine. Also under eSpeak NG, Rh Voice, Svox Pico, and Nuance Vocalizer. All of those read as cup the drinking vessel, not Cuban Pesos.
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On 11/26/2017 13:07, Brice Mijares wrote: Well I removed decaccess32 and using the one core voice David and still hearing 1 slash 2 cuban pesos flour. for the following line. 1/2 cup flour. And if I add s to cup, it says it correctly. Stilled baffled!
On 11/26/2017 10:35 AM, John Isige wrote:
I don't hear that, it reads fine for me. But with SAPI 5 Code Factory Eloquence, HTML headings can get pretty messed up, e.g. if heading one is Mary it will read as like "March stwan Mary", because it's interpreting the heading number as a date, I think. So you can get some odd stuff, depending on the synth you're using.
On 11/26/2017 12:08, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi, Depends on the route you took to obtain that synthesizer (if it's the one I'm thinking of). Cheers, Joseph
-----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brice Mijares Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 9:48 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] what NVDA echos
Do you recommend removing access 32? Also, I have speech rate set at 90 and it's still slow. Thank you.
On 11/26/2017 9:41 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi, I'm thinking Espeak NG won't have this problem for now. Most of the things you hear (well, for cases like the one outlined below) is controlled by speech synthesizers. Cheers, Joseph
-----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brice Mijares Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 9:36 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] what NVDA echos
I think access 32 with one core voice David, I think. Thank you.
On 11/26/2017 9:30 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi, What synthesizer are you using? Cheers, Joseph
-----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brice Mijares Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 9:10 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] what NVDA echos
The next line , 1/2 cup flour is echoed by NVDA as 1 slash 2 Cuban pesos flour. Does anyone else using NVDA hear it that way? I am baffled.
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Hi Gene,
I too am seeing the same weirdness. I am running NVDA 2017-3
and the MS One core voice David. It is reading cup from his
email as Cuban Pesos. He had it spelled with lower case letters
and still it says Cuban Pesos.
This is not the only weirdness i have experienced in several
of the synthesizers. This is also not the only word that it
says in a strange way. I tend to fix them by making speech
dictionary changes to correct them. I have tried to find the
offending dictionary entries so I could just remove them but
have not been able to find one in most cases.
Hope this helps.
Dan Beaver
On 11/26/2017 2:38 PM, Gene wrote:
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If cup is the abbreviation for Cuban pesos, adding an s may
cause it not to be recognized since it isn't the correct form.
Are you objecting to the slash or the Cuban Pesos? How is your
punctuation set? You will have to set it to none not to hear
the slash.
Also, let's be sure nothing is being overlooked. It is
unlikely that the word cup would be read as Cuban pesos by any
synthesizer or screen-reader. If it were, then any time the
word cup were found in text, it would be read as Cuban pesos
as in "My Cuban pesos runneth over." So check the recipe.
How, exactly is it written? Is it written as cup or as cp?
Is it small letters or capitalized?
Gene
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 1:07 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] what NVDA echos
Well I removed decaccess32 and using the one core voice David and
still
hearing 1 slash 2 cuban pesos flour. for the following line.
1/2 cup flour.
And if I add s to cup, it says it correctly. Stilled baffled!
On 11/26/2017 10:35 AM, John Isige wrote:
> I don't hear that, it reads fine for me. But with SAPI 5 Code
Factory
> Eloquence, HTML headings can get pretty messed up, e.g. if
heading one
> is Mary it will read as like "March stwan Mary", because it's
> interpreting the heading number as a date, I think. So you
can get some
> odd stuff, depending on the synth you're using.
>
>
> On 11/26/2017 12:08, Joseph Lee wrote:
>> Hi,
>> Depends on the route you took to obtain that synthesizer
(if it's the
>> one I'm thinking of).
>> Cheers,
>> Joseph
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>> Brice Mijares
>> Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 9:48 AM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] what NVDA echos
>>
>> Do you recommend removing access 32? Also, I have speech
rate set at
>> 90 and it's still slow. Thank you.
>>
>> On 11/26/2017 9:41 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> I'm thinking Espeak NG won't have this problem for
now. Most of the
>>> things you hear (well, for cases like the one
outlined below) is
>>> controlled by speech synthesizers.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Joseph
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>>> Brice Mijares
>>> Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 9:36 AM
>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] what NVDA echos
>>>
>>> I think access 32 with one core voice David, I think.
Thank you.
>>>
>>> On 11/26/2017 9:30 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>> What synthesizer are you using?
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Joseph
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>>>> Brice Mijares
>>>> Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 9:10 AM
>>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>>> Subject: [nvda] what NVDA echos
>>>>
>>>> The next line ,
>>>> 1/2 cup flour
>>>> is echoed by NVDA as 1 slash 2 Cuban pesos flour.
Does anyone else
>>>> using NVDA hear it that way? I am baffled.
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Hi, One way to find out: try it with Espeak NG set as the synthesizer. Cheers, Joseph
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dan Beaver Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 12:25 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] what NVDA echos Hi Gene, I too am seeing the same weirdness. I am running NVDA 2017-3 and the MS One core voice David. It is reading cup from his email as Cuban Pesos. He had it spelled with lower case letters and still it says Cuban Pesos. This is not the only weirdness i have experienced in several of the synthesizers. This is also not the only word that it says in a strange way. I tend to fix them by making speech dictionary changes to correct them. I have tried to find the offending dictionary entries so I could just remove them but have not been able to find one in most cases. Hope this helps. Dan Beaver On 11/26/2017 2:38 PM, Gene wrote: If cup is the abbreviation for Cuban pesos, adding an s may cause it not to be recognized since it isn't the correct form. Are you objecting to the slash or the Cuban Pesos? How is your punctuation set? You will have to set it to none not to hear the slash. Also, let's be sure nothing is being overlooked. It is unlikely that the word cup would be read as Cuban pesos by any synthesizer or screen-reader. If it were, then any time the word cup were found in text, it would be read as Cuban pesos as in "My Cuban pesos runneth over." So check the recipe. How, exactly is it written? Is it written as cup or as cp? Is it small letters or capitalized? Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 1:07 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] what NVDA echos Well I removed decaccess32 and using the one core voice David and still hearing 1 slash 2 cuban pesos flour. for the following line. 1/2 cup flour. And if I add s to cup, it says it correctly. Stilled baffled!
On 11/26/2017 10:35 AM, John Isige wrote: > I don't hear that, it reads fine for me. But with SAPI 5 Code Factory > Eloquence, HTML headings can get pretty messed up, e.g. if heading one > is Mary it will read as like "March stwan Mary", because it's > interpreting the heading number as a date, I think. So you can get some > odd stuff, depending on the synth you're using. > > > On 11/26/2017 12:08, Joseph Lee wrote: >> Hi, >> Depends on the route you took to obtain that synthesizer (if it's the >> one I'm thinking of). >> Cheers, >> Joseph >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of >> Brice Mijares >> Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 9:48 AM >> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io >> Subject: Re: [nvda] what NVDA echos >> >> Do you recommend removing access 32? Also, I have speech rate set at >> 90 and it's still slow. Thank you. >> >> On 11/26/2017 9:41 AM, Joseph Lee wrote: >>> Hi, >>> I'm thinking Espeak NG won't have this problem for now. Most of the >>> things you hear (well, for cases like the one outlined below) is >>> controlled by speech synthesizers. >>> Cheers, >>> Joseph >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of >>> Brice Mijares >>> Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 9:36 AM >>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io >>> Subject: Re: [nvda] what NVDA echos >>> >>> I think access 32 with one core voice David, I think. Thank you. >>> >>> On 11/26/2017 9:30 AM, Joseph Lee wrote: >>>> Hi, >>>> What synthesizer are you using? >>>> Cheers, >>>> Joseph >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of >>>> Brice Mijares >>>> Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 9:10 AM >>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io >>>> Subject: [nvda] what NVDA echos >>>> >>>> The next line , >>>> 1/2 cup flour >>>> is echoed by NVDA as 1 slash 2 Cuban pesos flour. Does anyone else >>>> using NVDA hear it that way? I am baffled. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > >
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This is mostly the synthesizer, though NVDA is also part of the problem. Some synthesizers allow this to be turned off. I don't know if OneCore Does (maybe somewhere in the SSML spec), but I know Eloquence does. Whether the screen reader does this, or lets you do this, is another issue.
Here's my best guess at what's happening and how you can fix it, at least for this example and OneCore. Original text: 1/2 cup flour If we send that directly to the synthesizer through the Python console, we get "one half cup flour". So we know the synthesizer can say it properly. NVDA takes that text and performs symbol processing. So we get: 1 slash 2 cup flour 2 cup is not a valid English expression, but it's a valid currency. At this point, the synth doesn't know that the expanded "1 slash" is part of the number of cups anymore, so it guesses you want 2 Cuban pesos. Other currencies also convert: 2 cad, 2 usd, etc. However, if we write: 2 cup, 2 cad, 2 usd with an extra space between the number and the word, then the abbreviations don't expand.
If you can deal with none of these expanding (including months, for example 1 jan), add this dictionary entry: Match: (\d) (\w) Replace: \1 \2 Type: Regular expression
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On 11/26/2017 12:32 PM, Joseph Lee wrote: Hi,
One way to find out: try it with Espeak NG set as the synthesizer.
Cheers,
Joseph
*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Dan Beaver *Sent:* Sunday, November 26, 2017 12:25 PM *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io *Subject:* Re: [nvda] what NVDA echos
Hi Gene,
I too am seeing the same weirdness. I am running NVDA 2017-3 and the MS One core voice David. It is reading cup from his email as Cuban Pesos. He had it spelled with lower case letters and still it says Cuban Pesos.
This is not the only weirdness i have experienced in several of the synthesizers. This is also not the only word that it says in a strange way. I tend to fix them by making speech dictionary changes to correct them. I have tried to find the offending dictionary entries so I could just remove them but have not been able to find one in most cases.
Hope this helps.
Dan Beaver
On 11/26/2017 2:38 PM, Gene wrote:
If cup is the abbreviation for Cuban pesos, adding an s may cause it not to be recognized since it isn't the correct form. Are you objecting to the slash or the Cuban Pesos? How is your punctuation set? You will have to set it to none not to hear the slash.
Also, let's be sure nothing is being overlooked. It is unlikely that the word cup would be read as Cuban pesos by any synthesizer or screen-reader. If it were, then any time the word cup were found in text, it would be read as Cuban pesos as in "My Cuban pesos runneth over." So check the recipe. How, exactly is it written? Is it written as cup or as cp? Is it small letters or capitalized?
Gene
*From:* Brice Mijares <mailto:bricemijares@...>
*Sent:* Sunday, November 26, 2017 1:07 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] what NVDA echos
Well I removed decaccess32 and using the one core voice David and still hearing 1 slash 2 cuban pesos flour. for the following line. 1/2 cup flour. And if I add s to cup, it says it correctly. Stilled baffled!
On 11/26/2017 10:35 AM, John Isige wrote: > I don't hear that, it reads fine for me. But with SAPI 5 Code Factory > Eloquence, HTML headings can get pretty messed up, e.g. if heading one > is Mary it will read as like "March stwan Mary", because it's > interpreting the heading number as a date, I think. So you can get some > odd stuff, depending on the synth you're using. > > > On 11/26/2017 12:08, Joseph Lee wrote: >> Hi, >> Depends on the route you took to obtain that synthesizer (if it's the >> one I'm thinking of). >> Cheers, >> Joseph >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of >> Brice Mijares >> Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 9:48 AM >> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> >> Subject: Re: [nvda] what NVDA echos >> >> Do you recommend removing access 32? Also, I have speech rate set at >> 90 and it's still slow. Thank you. >> >> On 11/26/2017 9:41 AM, Joseph Lee wrote: >>> Hi, >>> I'm thinking Espeak NG won't have this problem for now. Most of the >>> things you hear (well, for cases like the one outlined below) is >>> controlled by speech synthesizers. >>> Cheers, >>> Joseph >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of >>> Brice Mijares >>> Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 9:36 AM >>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> >>> Subject: Re: [nvda] what NVDA echos >>> >>> I think access 32 with one core voice David, I think. Thank you. >>> >>> On 11/26/2017 9:30 AM, Joseph Lee wrote: >>>> Hi, >>>> What synthesizer are you using? >>>> Cheers, >>>> Joseph >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of >>>> Brice Mijares >>>> Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 9:10 AM >>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> >>>> Subject: [nvda] what NVDA echos >>>> >>>> The next line , >>>> 1/2 cup flour >>>> is echoed by NVDA as 1 slash 2 Cuban pesos flour. Does anyone else >>>> using NVDA hear it that way? I am baffled. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > >
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Will that kill all expansion or just this case? I don't think you can turn expansion off for Eloquence but I'd love to. I'd rather hear dee-ar than have it try to expand things.
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On 11/26/2017 16:58, Tyler Spivey wrote: This is mostly the synthesizer, though NVDA is also part of the problem. Some synthesizers allow this to be turned off. I don't know if OneCore Does (maybe somewhere in the SSML spec), but I know Eloquence does. Whether the screen reader does this, or lets you do this, is another issue.
Here's my best guess at what's happening and how you can fix it, at least for this example and OneCore. Original text: 1/2 cup flour If we send that directly to the synthesizer through the Python console, we get "one half cup flour". So we know the synthesizer can say it properly. NVDA takes that text and performs symbol processing. So we get: 1 slash 2 cup flour 2 cup is not a valid English expression, but it's a valid currency. At this point, the synth doesn't know that the expanded "1 slash" is part of the number of cups anymore, so it guesses you want 2 Cuban pesos. Other currencies also convert: 2 cad, 2 usd, etc. However, if we write: 2 cup, 2 cad, 2 usd with an extra space between the number and the word, then the abbreviations don't expand.
If you can deal with none of these expanding (including months, for example 1 jan), add this dictionary entry: Match: (\d) (\w) Replace: \1 \2 Type: Regular expression
On 11/26/2017 12:32 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
One way to find out: try it with Espeak NG set as the synthesizer.
Cheers,
Joseph
*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Dan Beaver *Sent:* Sunday, November 26, 2017 12:25 PM *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io *Subject:* Re: [nvda] what NVDA echos
Hi Gene,
I too am seeing the same weirdness. I am running NVDA 2017-3 and the MS One core voice David. It is reading cup from his email as Cuban Pesos. He had it spelled with lower case letters and still it says Cuban Pesos.
This is not the only weirdness i have experienced in several of the synthesizers. This is also not the only word that it says in a strange way. I tend to fix them by making speech dictionary changes to correct them. I have tried to find the offending dictionary entries so I could just remove them but have not been able to find one in most cases.
Hope this helps.
Dan Beaver
On 11/26/2017 2:38 PM, Gene wrote:
If cup is the abbreviation for Cuban pesos, adding an s may cause it not to be recognized since it isn't the correct form. Are you objecting to the slash or the Cuban Pesos? How is your punctuation set? You will have to set it to none not to hear the slash.
Also, let's be sure nothing is being overlooked. It is unlikely that the word cup would be read as Cuban pesos by any synthesizer or screen-reader. If it were, then any time the word cup were found in text, it would be read as Cuban pesos as in "My Cuban pesos runneth over." So check the recipe. How, exactly is it written? Is it written as cup or as cp? Is it small letters or capitalized?
Gene
*From:* Brice Mijares <mailto:bricemijares@...>
*Sent:* Sunday, November 26, 2017 1:07 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] what NVDA echos
Well I removed decaccess32 and using the one core voice David and still hearing 1 slash 2 cuban pesos flour. for the following line. 1/2 cup flour. And if I add s to cup, it says it correctly. Stilled baffled!
On 11/26/2017 10:35 AM, John Isige wrote: > I don't hear that, it reads fine for me. But with SAPI 5 Code Factory > Eloquence, HTML headings can get pretty messed up, e.g. if heading one > is Mary it will read as like "March stwan Mary", because it's > interpreting the heading number as a date, I think. So you can get some > odd stuff, depending on the synth you're using. > > > On 11/26/2017 12:08, Joseph Lee wrote: >> Hi, >> Depends on the route you took to obtain that synthesizer (if it's the >> one I'm thinking of). >> Cheers, >> Joseph >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of >> Brice Mijares >> Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 9:48 AM >> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> >> Subject: Re: [nvda] what NVDA echos >> >> Do you recommend removing access 32? Also, I have speech rate set at >> 90 and it's still slow. Thank you. >> >> On 11/26/2017 9:41 AM, Joseph Lee wrote: >>> Hi, >>> I'm thinking Espeak NG won't have this problem for now. Most of the >>> things you hear (well, for cases like the one outlined below) is >>> controlled by speech synthesizers. >>> Cheers, >>> Joseph >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of >>> Brice Mijares >>> Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 9:36 AM >>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> >>> Subject: Re: [nvda] what NVDA echos >>> >>> I think access 32 with one core voice David, I think. Thank you. >>> >>> On 11/26/2017 9:30 AM, Joseph Lee wrote: >>>> Hi, >>>> What synthesizer are you using? >>>> Cheers, >>>> Joseph >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of >>>> Brice Mijares >>>> Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 9:10 AM >>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> >>>> Subject: [nvda] what NVDA echos >>>> >>>> The next line , >>>> 1/2 cup flour >>>> is echoed by NVDA as 1 slash 2 Cuban pesos flour. Does anyone else >>>> using NVDA hear it that way? I am baffled. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > >
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If you're using CodeFactory Eloquence, check in its control panel for things like abbreviation expansion and uncheck it. I know the Android one has it.
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On 11/26/2017 3:02 PM, John Isige wrote: Will that kill all expansion or just this case? I don't think you can turn expansion off for Eloquence but I'd love to. I'd rather hear dee-ar than have it try to expand things.
On 11/26/2017 16:58, Tyler Spivey wrote:
This is mostly the synthesizer, though NVDA is also part of the problem. Some synthesizers allow this to be turned off. I don't know if OneCore Does (maybe somewhere in the SSML spec), but I know Eloquence does. Whether the screen reader does this, or lets you do this, is another issue.
Here's my best guess at what's happening and how you can fix it, at least for this example and OneCore. Original text: 1/2 cup flour If we send that directly to the synthesizer through the Python console, we get "one half cup flour". So we know the synthesizer can say it properly. NVDA takes that text and performs symbol processing. So we get: 1 slash 2 cup flour 2 cup is not a valid English expression, but it's a valid currency. At this point, the synth doesn't know that the expanded "1 slash" is part of the number of cups anymore, so it guesses you want 2 Cuban pesos. Other currencies also convert: 2 cad, 2 usd, etc. However, if we write: 2 cup, 2 cad, 2 usd with an extra space between the number and the word, then the abbreviations don't expand.
If you can deal with none of these expanding (including months, for example 1 jan), add this dictionary entry: Match: (\d) (\w) Replace: \1 \2 Type: Regular expression
On 11/26/2017 12:32 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
One way to find out: try it with Espeak NG set as the synthesizer.
Cheers,
Joseph
*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Dan Beaver *Sent:* Sunday, November 26, 2017 12:25 PM *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io *Subject:* Re: [nvda] what NVDA echos
Hi Gene,
I too am seeing the same weirdness. I am running NVDA 2017-3 and the MS One core voice David. It is reading cup from his email as Cuban Pesos. He had it spelled with lower case letters and still it says Cuban Pesos.
This is not the only weirdness i have experienced in several of the synthesizers. This is also not the only word that it says in a strange way. I tend to fix them by making speech dictionary changes to correct them. I have tried to find the offending dictionary entries so I could just remove them but have not been able to find one in most cases.
Hope this helps.
Dan Beaver
On 11/26/2017 2:38 PM, Gene wrote:
If cup is the abbreviation for Cuban pesos, adding an s may cause it not to be recognized since it isn't the correct form. Are you objecting to the slash or the Cuban Pesos? How is your punctuation set? You will have to set it to none not to hear the slash.
Also, let's be sure nothing is being overlooked. It is unlikely that the word cup would be read as Cuban pesos by any synthesizer or screen-reader. If it were, then any time the word cup were found in text, it would be read as Cuban pesos as in "My Cuban pesos runneth over." So check the recipe. How, exactly is it written? Is it written as cup or as cp? Is it small letters or capitalized?
Gene
*From:* Brice Mijares <mailto:bricemijares@...>
*Sent:* Sunday, November 26, 2017 1:07 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] what NVDA echos
Well I removed decaccess32 and using the one core voice David and still hearing 1 slash 2 cuban pesos flour. for the following line. 1/2 cup flour. And if I add s to cup, it says it correctly. Stilled baffled!
On 11/26/2017 10:35 AM, John Isige wrote: > I don't hear that, it reads fine for me. But with SAPI 5 Code Factory > Eloquence, HTML headings can get pretty messed up, e.g. if heading one > is Mary it will read as like "March stwan Mary", because it's > interpreting the heading number as a date, I think. So you can get some > odd stuff, depending on the synth you're using. > > > On 11/26/2017 12:08, Joseph Lee wrote: >> Hi, >> Depends on the route you took to obtain that synthesizer (if it's the >> one I'm thinking of). >> Cheers, >> Joseph >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of >> Brice Mijares >> Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 9:48 AM >> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> >> Subject: Re: [nvda] what NVDA echos >> >> Do you recommend removing access 32? Also, I have speech rate set at >> 90 and it's still slow. Thank you. >> >> On 11/26/2017 9:41 AM, Joseph Lee wrote: >>> Hi, >>> I'm thinking Espeak NG won't have this problem for now. Most of the >>> things you hear (well, for cases like the one outlined below) is >>> controlled by speech synthesizers. >>> Cheers, >>> Joseph >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of >>> Brice Mijares >>> Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 9:36 AM >>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> >>> Subject: Re: [nvda] what NVDA echos >>> >>> I think access 32 with one core voice David, I think. Thank you. >>> >>> On 11/26/2017 9:30 AM, Joseph Lee wrote: >>>> Hi, >>>> What synthesizer are you using? >>>> Cheers, >>>> Joseph >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of >>>> Brice Mijares >>>> Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 9:10 AM >>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> >>>> Subject: [nvda] what NVDA echos >>>> >>>> The next line , >>>> 1/2 cup flour >>>> is echoed by NVDA as 1 slash 2 Cuban pesos flour. Does anyone else >>>> using NVDA hear it that way? I am baffled. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > >
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It actually has nothing whatsoever about abbreviation expansion, but I disabled the user dictionary. I don't think that will matter since the user dictionary seems to be empty. I also unchecked emoticon processing or whatever it is, so we'll see. The only thing that's checked is pauses for intonation.
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On 11/26/2017 17:08, Tyler Spivey wrote: If you're using CodeFactory Eloquence, check in its control panel for things like abbreviation expansion and uncheck it. I know the Android one has it. On 11/26/2017 3:02 PM, John Isige wrote:
Will that kill all expansion or just this case? I don't think you can turn expansion off for Eloquence but I'd love to. I'd rather hear dee-ar than have it try to expand things.
On 11/26/2017 16:58, Tyler Spivey wrote:
This is mostly the synthesizer, though NVDA is also part of the problem. Some synthesizers allow this to be turned off. I don't know if OneCore Does (maybe somewhere in the SSML spec), but I know Eloquence does. Whether the screen reader does this, or lets you do this, is another issue.
Here's my best guess at what's happening and how you can fix it, at least for this example and OneCore. Original text: 1/2 cup flour If we send that directly to the synthesizer through the Python console, we get "one half cup flour". So we know the synthesizer can say it properly. NVDA takes that text and performs symbol processing. So we get: 1 slash 2 cup flour 2 cup is not a valid English expression, but it's a valid currency. At this point, the synth doesn't know that the expanded "1 slash" is part of the number of cups anymore, so it guesses you want 2 Cuban pesos. Other currencies also convert: 2 cad, 2 usd, etc. However, if we write: 2 cup, 2 cad, 2 usd with an extra space between the number and the word, then the abbreviations don't expand.
If you can deal with none of these expanding (including months, for example 1 jan), add this dictionary entry: Match: (\d) (\w) Replace: \1 \2 Type: Regular expression
On 11/26/2017 12:32 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
One way to find out: try it with Espeak NG set as the synthesizer.
Cheers,
Joseph
*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Dan Beaver *Sent:* Sunday, November 26, 2017 12:25 PM *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io *Subject:* Re: [nvda] what NVDA echos
Hi Gene,
I too am seeing the same weirdness. I am running NVDA 2017-3 and the MS One core voice David. It is reading cup from his email as Cuban Pesos. He had it spelled with lower case letters and still it says Cuban Pesos.
This is not the only weirdness i have experienced in several of the synthesizers. This is also not the only word that it says in a strange way. I tend to fix them by making speech dictionary changes to correct them. I have tried to find the offending dictionary entries so I could just remove them but have not been able to find one in most cases.
Hope this helps.
Dan Beaver
On 11/26/2017 2:38 PM, Gene wrote:
If cup is the abbreviation for Cuban pesos, adding an s may cause it not to be recognized since it isn't the correct form. Are you objecting to the slash or the Cuban Pesos? How is your punctuation set? You will have to set it to none not to hear the slash.
Also, let's be sure nothing is being overlooked. It is unlikely that the word cup would be read as Cuban pesos by any synthesizer or screen-reader. If it were, then any time the word cup were found in text, it would be read as Cuban pesos as in "My Cuban pesos runneth over." So check the recipe. How, exactly is it written? Is it written as cup or as cp? Is it small letters or capitalized?
Gene
*From:* Brice Mijares <mailto:bricemijares@...>
*Sent:* Sunday, November 26, 2017 1:07 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] what NVDA echos
Well I removed decaccess32 and using the one core voice David and still hearing 1 slash 2 cuban pesos flour. for the following line. 1/2 cup flour. And if I add s to cup, it says it correctly. Stilled baffled!
On 11/26/2017 10:35 AM, John Isige wrote: > I don't hear that, it reads fine for me. But with SAPI 5 Code Factory > Eloquence, HTML headings can get pretty messed up, e.g. if heading one > is Mary it will read as like "March stwan Mary", because it's > interpreting the heading number as a date, I think. So you can get some > odd stuff, depending on the synth you're using. > > > On 11/26/2017 12:08, Joseph Lee wrote: >> Hi, >> Depends on the route you took to obtain that synthesizer (if it's the >> one I'm thinking of). >> Cheers, >> Joseph >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of >> Brice Mijares >> Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 9:48 AM >> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> >> Subject: Re: [nvda] what NVDA echos >> >> Do you recommend removing access 32? Also, I have speech rate set at >> 90 and it's still slow. Thank you. >> >> On 11/26/2017 9:41 AM, Joseph Lee wrote: >>> Hi, >>> I'm thinking Espeak NG won't have this problem for now. Most of the >>> things you hear (well, for cases like the one outlined below) is >>> controlled by speech synthesizers. >>> Cheers, >>> Joseph >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of >>> Brice Mijares >>> Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 9:36 AM >>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> >>> Subject: Re: [nvda] what NVDA echos >>> >>> I think access 32 with one core voice David, I think. Thank you. >>> >>> On 11/26/2017 9:30 AM, Joseph Lee wrote: >>>> Hi, >>>> What synthesizer are you using? >>>> Cheers, >>>> Joseph >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of >>>> Brice Mijares >>>> Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 9:10 AM >>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> >>>> Subject: [nvda] what NVDA echos >>>> >>>> The next line , >>>> 1/2 cup flour >>>> is echoed by NVDA as 1 slash 2 Cuban pesos flour. Does anyone else >>>> using NVDA hear it that way? I am baffled. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > >
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