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On 13 Jan 2020, at 11:43, Gene wrote:

However the user prefers, and that can be provided for in the choices, in a case like this, hearing some sort of verification is important.  If you are scanning a twenty page or a fifty page document, you shouldn't have to check the bottom of every new page to make sure it is different from the last page you added. 

 

Also, regarding me wanting to hear the words, I don't want to remember that this tone means this, and that tone means that.  Just hearing a word like copy, cut and paste doesn't take any amount of time that matters.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Shaun Everiss

Sent: Monday, January 13, 2020 1:33 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] abbyy fine reader 15 issues

Hmmm you know jean I am going to have to disagree with you.

I really concidder coppy and paste announcements to become after a while annoying for me to listen to.

As a compromise, I guess some tone would be fine especially if that could be customised.

Its why I am for some sort of event or theme manager in nvda with sound schemes like audiothemes but we can set up different events such as cut, copy paste, typing if we want, maybe have somethings that instead of speaking we get announcements.

Would be nice if we had haptic keyboards or mice or touchpads on desktops, that may work.

I do sometimes find to many spoken messages to be verbose and grating on my ears.

You may not however.

On 14/01/2020 7:52 am, Gene wrote:

I should add that its been a long time since I used that very old version.  I may be incorrect and you may have to delete the material before scanning new material.  You could probably cut it to the clipboard but if you are going to do that or the copy method, I would suggest that having Clip Speak is important.  You need verification of copy and paste so you can do these things with confidence.  You don't want to check every time you paste to be sure the correct material was pasted.  In short, if you hear that material is copied and then pasted, it will save time in checking the end of every page to make sure it is different from last time.  Just one more reason its long since time to have copy and paste announced as a part of NVDA. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Gene

Sent: Monday, January 13, 2020 12:38 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] abbyy fine reader 15 issues

If the window appears to be blank, what happens if you select all, then copy it to the clipboard, and paste it into Notepad?

 

In a very old version I used to use, my recollection is that if I did that, then scanned another page, new text replaced the old and I could add pages by copying and pasting.  It was a little extra work but if you are going to save eight or nine hundred dollars, its worth it.

 

I don't recall what was inconvenient or difficult to use regarding the recognized text in the window.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Shaun Everiss

Sent: Monday, January 13, 2020 10:06 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] abbyy fine reader 15 issues

Hi.

I am in discussons with abbyy  on the fine reader program.

Can someone else test the latest v15 please, the trial will do,

1.  do the combo boxes in options not read when scroling.

2.  is there a delay on all the menus in particular the file menu and
are all things read.

3.  is the ocr editor working right and reading things.

In my case the file menu delays in both nvda and narator of course abyy
want me to use jaws which I won't be doing, though narator does work.

Options do read though narator does speak a lot of extra info.

Nvda reads the options but you have to tab and shift tab a bit when
scroling.

When I have used the ocr editor the main window where text is seems to
be blank.

These may be spaciffic nvda issues and how it interacts, maybe it needs
an addon.

Maybe after we switch over to 2019.3 I may look into seeing how to write
addons maybe.

However the user prefers, and that can be provided for in the choices, in a case like this, hearing some sort of verification is important.  If you are scanning a twenty page or a fifty page document, you shouldn't have to check the bottom of every new page to make sure it is different from the last page you added. 

 

Also, regarding me wanting to hear the words, I don't want to remember that this tone means this, and that tone means that.  Just hearing a word like copy, cut and paste doesn't take any amount of time that matters.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Shaun Everiss

Sent: Monday, January 13, 2020 1:33 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] abbyy fine reader 15 issues

Hmmm you know jean I am going to have to disagree with you.

I really concidder coppy and paste announcements to become after a while annoying for me to listen to.

As a compromise, I guess some tone would be fine especially if that could be customised.

Its why I am for some sort of event or theme manager in nvda with sound schemes like audiothemes but we can set up different events such as cut, copy paste, typing if we want, maybe have somethings that instead of speaking we get announcements.

Would be nice if we had haptic keyboards or mice or touchpads on desktops, that may work.

I do sometimes find to many spoken messages to be verbose and grating on my ears.

You may not however.

On 14/01/2020 7:52 am, Gene wrote:

I should add that its been a long time since I used that very old version.  I may be incorrect and you may have to delete the material before scanning new material.  You could probably cut it to the clipboard but if you are going to do that or the copy method, I would suggest that having Clip Speak is important.  You need verification of copy and paste so you can do these things with confidence.  You don't want to check every time you paste to be sure the correct material was pasted.  In short, if you hear that material is copied and then pasted, it will save time in checking the end of every page to make sure it is different from last time.  Just one more reason its long since time to have copy and paste announced as a part of NVDA. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Gene

Sent: Monday, January 13, 2020 12:38 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] abbyy fine reader 15 issues

If the window appears to be blank, what happens if you select all, then copy it to the clipboard, and paste it into Notepad?

 

In a very old version I used to use, my recollection is that if I did that, then scanned another page, new text replaced the old and I could add pages by copying and pasting.  It was a little extra work but if you are going to save eight or nine hundred dollars, its worth it.

 

I don't recall what was inconvenient or difficult to use regarding the recognized text in the window.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Shaun Everiss

Sent: Monday, January 13, 2020 10:06 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] abbyy fine reader 15 issues

Hi.

I am in discussons with abbyy  on the fine reader program.

Can someone else test the latest v15 please, the trial will do,

1.  do the combo boxes in options not read when scroling.

2.  is there a delay on all the menus in particular the file menu and
are all things read.

3.  is the ocr editor working right and reading things.

In my case the file menu delays in both nvda and narator of course abyy
want me to use jaws which I won't be doing, though narator does work.

Options do read though narator does speak a lot of extra info.

Nvda reads the options but you have to tab and shift tab a bit when
scroling.

When I have used the ocr editor the main window where text is seems to
be blank.

These may be spaciffic nvda issues and how it interacts, maybe it needs
an addon.

Maybe after we switch over to 2019.3 I may look into seeing how to write
addons maybe.

----- Original Message -----

From: Shaun Everiss

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Sent: Monday, January 13, 2020 3:43 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] abbyy fine reader 15 issues

Hmmm, well its 189 bucks but yeah.

With all the accessible scanner solutions either in doubt or just not updated or in limbo, bar maybe text cloner which costs 50 or so dollars less than mainstream software.

Its another thing.

I know we as blind will find it better using specialised software, however I think in my opinion that if we want to try to get more software accessible and integrate a bit more into the sightling world that were we can we should use mainstream to a point.

If its not at all accessible, I understand but if it is accessible or at least usable and the company is receptive to us then I'd push for full access.

Its not going to make everyone help us or everything accessible.

Steam for example has variable access though its going chromium so that may change, to quite a lot of third party security tools and there may be more.

Access has come a long way mind you.

A lot of games are accessible.

And anything that has to do with reading, office documents and recognition seems to have stronger accessability than standard.

And while its not always the case, it seems to be the smaller the maker the more ready they are to change.

It would be nice if all the big companies were accessible but if not all the big, the small to medium stuff.

One thing I have noticed not just in fine reader, but other places, is the mentallity that if it works with jaws, then it works for everything.

And while that has been the case for a while, I am unsure if it still is.

Back when I did use jaws 6, I knew that like nvda it was heavily script driven.

However like older pre xp windows 98, where every bit of hardware needed a driver installed and you had to get a lot of those yourself, everything needed a thirdparty script at least thats what it felt like to me.

Probably not everything but I remember having to get scripts for things that in other readers I had like supernova didn't need scripts to even work properly if at all.

Never mind the licencing which again, was not the best, ie, home for windows home, pro for windows pro.

It didn't bring me more features, at least they seemed to have ditched that scheme now.

On 14/01/2020 7:53 am, Gene wrote:

You shouldn't, but it sure is nice to save eight or nine hundred dollars and get the current version.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Shaun Everiss

Sent: Monday, January 13, 2020 12:43 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] abbyy fine reader 15 issues

Well its not exactly difficult, but its just I should be able to read the window is all.

Like I should be able to scroll the combo boxes in options and access the menus without delays.

I didn't have this issue on finereader version 12 to 14 as such though others I know say that some of the buttons had issues but I never had them so I can't really comment.

On 14/01/2020 7:38 am, Gene wrote:

If the window appears to be blank, what happens if you select all, then copy it to the clipboard, and paste it into Notepad?

 

In a very old version I used to use, my recollection is that if I did that, then scanned another page, new text replaced the old and I could add pages by copying and pasting.  It was a little extra work but if you are going to save eight or nine hundred dollars, its worth it.

 

I don't recall what was inconvenient or difficult to use regarding the recognized text in the window.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Shaun Everiss

Sent: Monday, January 13, 2020 10:06 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] abbyy fine reader 15 issues

Hi.

I am in discussons with abbyy  on the fine reader program.

Can someone else test the latest v15 please, the trial will do,

1.  do the combo boxes in options not read when scroling.

2.  is there a delay on all the menus in particular the file menu and
are all things read.

3.  is the ocr editor working right and reading things.

In my case the file menu delays in both nvda and narator of course abyy
want me to use jaws which I won't be doing, though narator does work.

Options do read though narator does speak a lot of extra info.

Nvda reads the options but you have to tab and shift tab a bit when
scroling.

When I have used the ocr editor the main window where text is seems to
be blank.

These may be spaciffic nvda issues and how it interacts, maybe it needs
an addon.

Maybe after we switch over to 2019.3 I may look into seeing how to write
addons maybe.

You shouldn't, but it sure is nice to save eight or nine hundred dollars and get the current version.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Shaun Everiss

Sent: Monday, January 13, 2020 12:43 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] abbyy fine reader 15 issues

Well its not exactly difficult, but its just I should be able to read the window is all.

Like I should be able to scroll the combo boxes in options and access the menus without delays.

I didn't have this issue on finereader version 12 to 14 as such though others I know say that some of the buttons had issues but I never had them so I can't really comment.

On 14/01/2020 7:38 am, Gene wrote:

If the window appears to be blank, what happens if you select all, then copy it to the clipboard, and paste it into Notepad?

 

In a very old version I used to use, my recollection is that if I did that, then scanned another page, new text replaced the old and I could add pages by copying and pasting.  It was a little extra work but if you are going to save eight or nine hundred dollars, its worth it.

 

I don't recall what was inconvenient or difficult to use regarding the recognized text in the window.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Shaun Everiss

Sent: Monday, January 13, 2020 10:06 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] abbyy fine reader 15 issues

Hi.

I am in discussons with abbyy  on the fine reader program.

Can someone else test the latest v15 please, the trial will do,

1.  do the combo boxes in options not read when scroling.

2.  is there a delay on all the menus in particular the file menu and
are all things read.

3.  is the ocr editor working right and reading things.

In my case the file menu delays in both nvda and narator of course abyy
want me to use jaws which I won't be doing, though narator does work.

Options do read though narator does speak a lot of extra info.

Nvda reads the options but you have to tab and shift tab a bit when
scroling.

When I have used the ocr editor the main window where text is seems to
be blank.

These may be spaciffic nvda issues and how it interacts, maybe it needs
an addon.

Maybe after we switch over to 2019.3 I may look into seeing how to write
addons maybe.

Hmmm you know jean I am going to have to disagree with you.

I really concidder coppy and paste announcements to become after a while annoying for me to listen to.

As a compromise, I guess some tone would be fine especially if that could be customised.

Its why I am for some sort of event or theme manager in nvda with sound schemes like audiothemes but we can set up different events such as cut, copy paste, typing if we want, maybe have somethings that instead of speaking we get announcements.

Would be nice if we had haptic keyboards or mice or touchpads on desktops, that may work.

I do sometimes find to many spoken messages to be verbose and grating on my ears.

You may not however.

I should add that its been a long time since I used that very old version.  I may be incorrect and you may have to delete the material before scanning new material.  You could probably cut it to the clipboard but if you are going to do that or the copy method, I would suggest that having Clip Speak is important.  You need verification of copy and paste so you can do these things with confidence.  You don't want to check every time you paste to be sure the correct material was pasted.  In short, if you hear that material is copied and then pasted, it will save time in checking the end of every page to make sure it is different from last time.  Just one more reason its long since time to have copy and paste announced as a part of NVDA. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Gene

Sent: Monday, January 13, 2020 12:38 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] abbyy fine reader 15 issues

If the window appears to be blank, what happens if you select all, then copy it to the clipboard, and paste it into Notepad?

 

In a very old version I used to use, my recollection is that if I did that, then scanned another page, new text replaced the old and I could add pages by copying and pasting.  It was a little extra work but if you are going to save eight or nine hundred dollars, its worth it.

 

I don't recall what was inconvenient or difficult to use regarding the recognized text in the window.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Shaun Everiss

Sent: Monday, January 13, 2020 10:06 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] abbyy fine reader 15 issues

Hi.

I am in discussons with abbyy  on the fine reader program.

Can someone else test the latest v15 please, the trial will do,

1.  do the combo boxes in options not read when scroling.

2.  is there a delay on all the menus in particular the file menu and
are all things read.

3.  is the ocr editor working right and reading things.

In my case the file menu delays in both nvda and narator of course abyy
want me to use jaws which I won't be doing, though narator does work.

Options do read though narator does speak a lot of extra info.

Nvda reads the options but you have to tab and shift tab a bit when
scroling.

When I have used the ocr editor the main window where text is seems to
be blank.

These may be spaciffic nvda issues and how it interacts, maybe it needs
an addon.

Maybe after we switch over to 2019.3 I may look into seeing how to write
addons maybe.

I should add that its been a long time since I used that very old version.  I may be incorrect and you may have to delete the material before scanning new material.  You could probably cut it to the clipboard but if you are going to do that or the copy method, I would suggest that having Clip Speak is important.  You need verification of copy and paste so you can do these things with confidence.  You don't want to check every time you paste to be sure the correct material was pasted.  In short, if you hear that material is copied and then pasted, it will save time in checking the end of every page to make sure it is different from last time.  Just one more reason its long since time to have copy and paste announced as a part of NVDA. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Gene

Sent: Monday, January 13, 2020 12:38 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] abbyy fine reader 15 issues

If the window appears to be blank, what happens if you select all, then copy it to the clipboard, and paste it into Notepad?

 

In a very old version I used to use, my recollection is that if I did that, then scanned another page, new text replaced the old and I could add pages by copying and pasting.  It was a little extra work but if you are going to save eight or nine hundred dollars, its worth it.

 

I don't recall what was inconvenient or difficult to use regarding the recognized text in the window.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Shaun Everiss

Sent: Monday, January 13, 2020 10:06 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] abbyy fine reader 15 issues

Hi.

I am in discussons with abbyy  on the fine reader program.

Can someone else test the latest v15 please, the trial will do,

1.  do the combo boxes in options not read when scroling.

2.  is there a delay on all the menus in particular the file menu and
are all things read.

3.  is the ocr editor working right and reading things.

In my case the file menu delays in both nvda and narator of course abyy
want me to use jaws which I won't be doing, though narator does work.

Options do read though narator does speak a lot of extra info.

Nvda reads the options but you have to tab and shift tab a bit when
scroling.

When I have used the ocr editor the main window where text is seems to
be blank.

These may be spaciffic nvda issues and how it interacts, maybe it needs
an addon.

Maybe after we switch over to 2019.3 I may look into seeing how to write
addons maybe.

Well its not exactly difficult, but its just I should be able to read the window is all.

Like I should be able to scroll the combo boxes in options and access the menus without delays.

I didn't have this issue on finereader version 12 to 14 as such though others I know say that some of the buttons had issues but I never had them so I can't really comment.

If the window appears to be blank, what happens if you select all, then copy it to the clipboard, and paste it into Notepad?

 

In a very old version I used to use, my recollection is that if I did that, then scanned another page, new text replaced the old and I could add pages by copying and pasting.  It was a little extra work but if you are going to save eight or nine hundred dollars, its worth it.

 

I don't recall what was inconvenient or difficult to use regarding the recognized text in the window.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Shaun Everiss

Sent: Monday, January 13, 2020 10:06 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] abbyy fine reader 15 issues

Hi.

I am in discussons with abbyy  on the fine reader program.

Can someone else test the latest v15 please, the trial will do,

1.  do the combo boxes in options not read when scroling.

2.  is there a delay on all the menus in particular the file menu and
are all things read.

3.  is the ocr editor working right and reading things.

In my case the file menu delays in both nvda and narator of course abyy
want me to use jaws which I won't be doing, though narator does work.

Options do read though narator does speak a lot of extra info.

Nvda reads the options but you have to tab and shift tab a bit when
scroling.

When I have used the ocr editor the main window where text is seems to
be blank.

These may be spaciffic nvda issues and how it interacts, maybe it needs
an addon.

Maybe after we switch over to 2019.3 I may look into seeing how to write
addons maybe.

If the window appears to be blank, what happens if you select all, then copy it to the clipboard, and paste it into Notepad?

 

In a very old version I used to use, my recollection is that if I did that, then scanned another page, new text replaced the old and I could add pages by copying and pasting.  It was a little extra work but if you are going to save eight or nine hundred dollars, its worth it.

 

I don't recall what was inconvenient or difficult to use regarding the recognized text in the window.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Shaun Everiss

Sent: Monday, January 13, 2020 10:06 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] abbyy fine reader 15 issues

Hi.

I am in discussons with abbyy  on the fine reader program.

Can someone else test the latest v15 please, the trial will do,

1.  do the combo boxes in options not read when scroling.

2.  is there a delay on all the menus in particular the file menu and
are all things read.

3.  is the ocr editor working right and reading things.

In my case the file menu delays in both nvda and narator of course abyy
want me to use jaws which I won't be doing, though narator does work.

Options do read though narator does speak a lot of extra info.

Nvda reads the options but you have to tab and shift tab a bit when
scroling.

When I have used the ocr editor the main window where text is seems to
be blank.

These may be spaciffic nvda issues and how it interacts, maybe it needs
an addon.

Maybe after we switch over to 2019.3 I may look into seeing how to write
addons maybe.

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
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Everiss
Gesendet: Montag, 13. Januar 2020 17:07
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: [nvda] abbyy fine reader 15 issues

Hi.

I am in discussons with abbyy on the fine reader program.

Can someone else test the latest v15 please, the trial will do,

1. do the combo boxes in options not read when scroling.

2. is there a delay on all the menus in particular the file menu and are all
things read.

3. is the ocr editor working right and reading things.

In my case the file menu delays in both nvda and narator of course abyy want
me to use jaws which I won't be doing, though narator does work.

Options do read though narator does speak a lot of extra info.

Nvda reads the options but you have to tab and shift tab a bit when scroling.

When I have used the ocr editor the main window where text is seems to be
blank.

These may be spaciffic nvda issues and how it interacts, maybe it needs an
addon.

Maybe after we switch over to 2019.3 I may look into seeing how to write
addons maybe.