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Forcing NVDA Find versus Browser Find


 

I'm now frustrated enough to ask this question.

It had always been my belief that hitting NVDA+CTRL+F would force the NVDA Find dialog to come up and be used to search a webpage.  I often want to be able to do this when searching for controls that don't necessarily show up with a straight browser find.

In trying to work on Maria's issue, I tried several times to get the NVDA find to come up to find the Language Selector button, but it wouldn't.  I'd hit NVDA+CTRL+F and still get the Brave browser find.  This has happened plenty in Chrome and Edge Dev, too, so I know it's not "just a Brave thing."

What am I missing?  There are times I absolutely want to force an NVDA Find, and it seems that sometimes I cannot do that.
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Hi,

NVDA’s find command can be used in browse mode only, as pressing Control+NVDA+F in focus mode will invoke browser’s own find interface, as it is actually Control+F that will be received by the browser.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 4:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Forcing NVDA Find versus Browser Find

 

I'm now frustrated enough to ask this question.

It had always been my belief that hitting NVDA+CTRL+F would force the NVDA Find dialog to come up and be used to search a webpage.  I often want to be able to do this when searching for controls that don't necessarily show up with a straight browser find.

In trying to work on Maria's issue, I tried several times to get the NVDA find to come up to find the Language Selector button, but it wouldn't.  I'd hit NVDA+CTRL+F and still get the Brave browser find.  This has happened plenty in Chrome and Edge Dev, too, so I know it's not "just a Brave thing."

What am I missing?  There are times I absolutely want to force an NVDA Find, and it seems that sometimes I cannot do that.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

      ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019

 

 


Gene
 

I don’t know where you are when you use the command.  Is this another example of why I say that automatic sswoitching between browse mode on and off should be done manually, not automatically, which is the default?  If you are somewhere where browse mode is automatically turned off, what you describe will happen.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 6:40 PM
Subject: [nvda] Forcing NVDA Find versus Browser Find
 
I'm now frustrated enough to ask this question.

It had always been my belief that hitting NVDA+CTRL+F would force the NVDA Find dialog to come up and be used to search a webpage.  I often want to be able to do this when searching for controls that don't necessarily show up with a straight browser find.

In trying to work on Maria's issue, I tried several times to get the NVDA find to come up to find the Language Selector button, but it wouldn't.  I'd hit NVDA+CTRL+F and still get the Brave browser find.  This has happened plenty in Chrome and Edge Dev, too, so I know it's not "just a Brave thing."

What am I missing?  There are times I absolutely want to force an NVDA Find, and it seems that sometimes I cannot do that.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

      ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019

 

 


 

Since I use the Focus Highlight Add-On, I'm going to have to pay attention that I'm seeing a red or dashed green outline, not dashed blue, when I try to issue a screen reader find.

I'm sure this has to be what I'm usually screwing up.  What I find interesting is that there are times, like right now, where I'm typing in an edit box and Focus Highlight indicates that I'm in browse mode, when I would have thought I'd have to be in focus mode in order to enter text.
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

      ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019

 

 


Gene
 

You do have to be in forms mode. The focus highlight evidently is providing incorrect information. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 6:54 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Forcing NVDA Find versus Browser Find
 
Since I use the Focus Highlight Add-On, I'm going to have to pay attention that I'm seeing a red or dashed green outline, not dashed blue, when I try to issue a screen reader find.

I'm sure this has to be what I'm usually screwing up.  What I find interesting is that there are times, like right now, where I'm typing in an edit box and Focus Highlight indicates that I'm in browse mode, when I would have thought I'd have to be in focus mode in order to enter text.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

      ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019

 

 


Chris Mullins
 

Hi Brian

I get this regularly, for some reason it triggers the site’s “Find in page” functionality.  When this happens, I usually press enter on the site’s “Close find”  feature, make sure NVDA is in browse mode then do NVDA+Ctrl+f again.  Occasionally, you can’t get into browse mode, in which case I reload and try again.  If it doesn’t work next time I grouch profusely and swear never to use the site again.

 

Cheers

Chris    

 

From: Brian Vogel
Sent: 21 April 2020 00:40
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Forcing NVDA Find versus Browser Find

 

I'm now frustrated enough to ask this question.

It had always been my belief that hitting NVDA+CTRL+F would force the NVDA Find dialog to come up and be used to search a webpage.  I often want to be able to do this when searching for controls that don't necessarily show up with a straight browser find.

In trying to work on Maria's issue, I tried several times to get the NVDA find to come up to find the Language Selector button, but it wouldn't.  I'd hit NVDA+CTRL+F and still get the Brave browser find.  This has happened plenty in Chrome and Edge Dev, too, so I know it's not "just a Brave thing."

What am I missing?  There are times I absolutely want to force an NVDA Find, and it seems that sometimes I cannot do that.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

      ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019

 

 

 


 

Chris,

           As someone else said recently, there is a certain comfort in knowing that a given issue is not limited strictly to yourself!  Thanks for reporting.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

      ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019

 

 


Gene
 

The question needs more discussion.  Is this a problem with new versions of NVDA, perhaps after the change to the new version of Python or has it been going on for some time?  and is thisw a very limited problem or more widespread?  Also, does it only affect Windows 10 users or other users?
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2020 10:26 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Forcing NVDA Find versus Browser Find
 
Chris,

           As someone else said recently, there is a certain comfort in knowing that a given issue is not limited strictly to yourself!  Thanks for reporting.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

      ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019

 

 


 

On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 11:34 AM, Gene wrote:
The question needs more discussion. 
Only if others want to discuss it.

However, in at least partial answers to your question based on my single experience:  Not new (has been happening for a long time now).  Can't speak as to whether it's limited to Win10 or not.  If Win7 is still being supported by NVAccess then that matters, and if it's not it doesn't.  And I'd hope that active support for any OS would not go on for any longer than 1 year after any OS goes out of support by its maker.  Passive "it still works" is an entirely different matter.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

      ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019

 

 


Sarah k Alawami
 

I will sometimes have this issue on twitch and even sometimes google and most websites. I think this might have started with nvda 19.3.x.

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On 21 Apr 2020, at 8:34, Gene wrote:

The question needs more discussion.  Is this a problem with new versions of NVDA, perhaps after the change to the new version of Python or has it been going on for some time?  and is thisw a very limited problem or more widespread?  Also, does it only affect Windows 10 users or other users?
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2020 10:26 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Forcing NVDA Find versus Browser Find
 
Chris,

           As someone else said recently, there is a certain comfort in knowing that a given issue is not limited strictly to yourself!  Thanks for reporting.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

      ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019

 

 


Nimer Jaber
 

I have never seen this when Browse mode is on.

Thanks.

On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 8:56 AM Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:

I will sometimes have this issue on twitch and even sometimes google and most websites. I think this might have started with nvda 19.3.x.

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website.

to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on [twitch.](http://twitch.tv/ke7zum] Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there.

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On 21 Apr 2020, at 8:34, Gene wrote:

The question needs more discussion.  Is this a problem with new versions of NVDA, perhaps after the change to the new version of Python or has it been going on for some time?  and is thisw a very limited problem or more widespread?  Also, does it only affect Windows 10 users or other users?
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2020 10:26 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Forcing NVDA Find versus Browser Find
 
Chris,

           As someone else said recently, there is a certain comfort in knowing that a given issue is not limited strictly to yourself!  Thanks for reporting.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

      ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019

 

 



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Sarah k Alawami
 

I'm not 100 percent positive, but I think i have seen this once or twice in browse mode. I usually toggle between the two modes then it works for a few weeks and I normally forget about it until it happens when I don't want it to, like when I edit a stream title, look for my briefing, search for something on froogle, etc. I think I've seen this on discord actually but like I said, it happens so rarely, I can't really begin to recognize a pattern.

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website.

to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter

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On 21 Apr 2020, at 9:27, Nimer Jaber wrote:

I have never seen this when Browse mode is on.

Thanks.

On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 8:56 AM Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:

I will sometimes have this issue on twitch and even sometimes google and most websites. I think this might have started with nvda 19.3.x.

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website.

to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on [twitch.](http://twitch.tv/ke7zum] Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there.

For stream archives, products you can buy and more visit my main lbry page and my tffp lbry page YOu will also be able to buy some of my products and eBooks there.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 21 Apr 2020, at 8:34, Gene wrote:

The question needs more discussion.  Is this a problem with new versions of NVDA, perhaps after the change to the new version of Python or has it been going on for some time?  and is thisw a very limited problem or more widespread?  Also, does it only affect Windows 10 users or other users?
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2020 10:26 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Forcing NVDA Find versus Browser Find
 
Chris,

           As someone else said recently, there is a certain comfort in knowing that a given issue is not limited strictly to yourself!  Thanks for reporting.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

      ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019

 

 



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Quentin Christensen
 

If anyone experiencing this is willing to, what might really help here is a copy of an NVDA lot set to debug level.  If sent to the list it will need to be in the body of an email, or you can email it to me at info@... (with a brief description please, so I know what the log is about!).

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 2:40 AM Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:

I'm not 100 percent positive, but I think i have seen this once or twice in browse mode. I usually toggle between the two modes then it works for a few weeks and I normally forget about it until it happens when I don't want it to, like when I edit a stream title, look for my briefing, search for something on froogle, etc. I think I've seen this on discord actually but like I said, it happens so rarely, I can't really begin to recognize a pattern.

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website.

to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on [twitch.](http://twitch.tv/ke7zum] Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there.

For stream archives, products you can buy and more visit my main lbry page and my tffp lbry page YOu will also be able to buy some of my products and eBooks there.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 21 Apr 2020, at 9:27, Nimer Jaber wrote:

I have never seen this when Browse mode is on.

Thanks.

On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 8:56 AM Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:

I will sometimes have this issue on twitch and even sometimes google and most websites. I think this might have started with nvda 19.3.x.

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website.

to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on [twitch.](http://twitch.tv/ke7zum] Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there.

For stream archives, products you can buy and more visit my main lbry page and my tffp lbry page YOu will also be able to buy some of my products and eBooks there.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 21 Apr 2020, at 8:34, Gene wrote:

The question needs more discussion.  Is this a problem with new versions of NVDA, perhaps after the change to the new version of Python or has it been going on for some time?  and is thisw a very limited problem or more widespread?  Also, does it only affect Windows 10 users or other users?
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2020 10:26 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Forcing NVDA Find versus Browser Find
 
Chris,

           As someone else said recently, there is a certain comfort in knowing that a given issue is not limited strictly to yourself!  Thanks for reporting.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

      ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019

 

 



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