Dear NVDA community,



It was brought to developers' attention that some people were having issues
upgrading to NVDA 2017.4, and turns out some were using Windows 7 RTM build.
Thus the following community directive:



In order to use NVDA 2017.4 or later, Windows 7 Service Pack 1 or later is
ABSOLUTELY required.



To find out which Windows release you've got:



1. Press Windows key to open Start menu.
2. Type "winver" without quotes and press Enter.
3. Check the build shown on About Windows dialog.



If the build number is 7601 or higher, you're all set. If it is lower than
that:



* If using Windows 7 RTM (build number is 7600), please use NVDA
2017.3, upgrade to Windows 7 SP1 first, then update to NVDA 2017.4.
* If using versions other than 7 (build number is less than 7600),
then NVDA 2017.3 is the last supported version for you.



In the next few weeks, some add-on authors will announce minimum supported
versions of NVDA and Windows. For example, if you are using StationPlaylist
Studio add-on, starting from version 17.12 stable, Windows 7 SP1 or higher
is absolutely required.



Thank you.

Cheers,

Joseph

Could I ask how people could end up without sp1, as I seem to recall from friends that this update some years back now was pushed automatically to existing systems and its not just nvda which relies on it either.

Also now, how would a user get it and install it, is it relatively simple on the Microsoft site or would you suggest going the whole way and going to 10 before 31st Dec while a free update is there. I'm assuming that the old version of 7 will still allow the update.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2017 6:18 PM
Subject: [nvda] IMPORTANT COMMUNITY DIRECTIVE: to use NVDA 2017.4, Windows 7 SP1 or later is absolutely required

Dear NVDA community,



It was brought to developers' attention that some people were having issues
upgrading to NVDA 2017.4, and turns out some were using Windows 7 RTM build.
Thus the following community directive:



In order to use NVDA 2017.4 or later, Windows 7 Service Pack 1 or later is
ABSOLUTELY required.



To find out which Windows release you've got:



1. Press Windows key to open Start menu.
2. Type "winver" without quotes and press Enter.
3. Check the build shown on About Windows dialog.



If the build number is 7601 or higher, you're all set. If it is lower than
that:



* If using Windows 7 RTM (build number is 7600), please use NVDA
2017.3, upgrade to Windows 7 SP1 first, then update to NVDA 2017.4.
* If using versions other than 7 (build number is less than 7600),
then NVDA 2017.3 is the last supported version for you.



In the next few weeks, some add-on authors will announce minimum supported
versions of NVDA and Windows. For example, if you are using StationPlaylist
Studio add-on, starting from version 17.12 stable, Windows 7 SP1 or higher
is absolutely required.



Thank you.

Cheers,

Joseph

I wonder if those who have such systems have pirate copies of Windows

and have turned off auto update.

On 12/7/2017 4:58 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:

> Could I ask how people could end up without sp1, as I seem to recall

> from friends that this update some years back now was pushed

> automatically to existing systems and its not just nvda which relies

> on it either.

> 

> Also now, how would a user get it and install it, is it relatively

> simple on the Microsoft site or would you suggest going the whole way

> and going to 10 before 31st Dec while a free update is there. I'm

> assuming that the old version of 7 will still allow the update.

> Brian

> 

> bglists@...

> Sent via blueyonder.

> Please address personal email to:-

> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'

> in the display name field.

> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Lee"

> <joseph.lee22590@...>

> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

> Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2017 6:18 PM

> Subject: [nvda] IMPORTANT COMMUNITY DIRECTIVE: to use NVDA 2017.4,

> Windows 7 SP1 or later is absolutely required

> 

> 

>> Dear NVDA community,

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> It was brought to developers' attention that some people were having

>> issues

>> upgrading to NVDA 2017.4, and turns out some were using Windows 7 RTM

>> build.

>> Thus the following community directive:

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> In order to use NVDA 2017.4 or later, Windows 7 Service Pack 1 or

>> later is

>> ABSOLUTELY required.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> To find out which Windows release you've got:

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 1. Press Windows key to open Start menu.

>> 2. Type "winver" without quotes and press Enter.

>> 3. Check the build shown on About Windows dialog.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> If the build number is 7601 or higher, you're all set. If it is lower

>> than

>> that:

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> * If using Windows 7 RTM (build number is 7600), please use NVDA

>> 2017.3, upgrade to Windows 7 SP1 first, then update to NVDA 2017.4.

>> * If using versions other than 7 (build number is less than 7600),

>> then NVDA 2017.3 is the last supported version for you.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> In the next few weeks, some add-on authors will announce minimum

>> supported

>> versions of NVDA and Windows. For example, if you are using

>> StationPlaylist

>> Studio add-on, starting from version 17.12 stable, Windows 7 SP1 or

>> higher

>> is absolutely required.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> Thank you.

>> 

>> Cheers,

>> 

>> Joseph

>> 

>> 

> 

> 

>

> 

> 

--

They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.

They ask: "How Happy are You?"

I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"

Could I ask how people could end up without sp1, as I seem to recall
from friends that this update some years back now was pushed
automatically to existing systems and its not just nvda which relies
on it either.

Also now, how would a user get it and install it, is it relatively
simple on the Microsoft site or would you suggest going the whole way
and going to 10 before 31st Dec while a free update is there. I'm
assuming that the old version of 7 will still allow the update.
Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Lee"
<joseph.lee22590@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2017 6:18 PM
Subject: [nvda] IMPORTANT COMMUNITY DIRECTIVE: to use NVDA 2017.4,
Windows 7 SP1 or later is absolutely required

Dear NVDA community,



It was brought to developers' attention that some people were having
issues
upgrading to NVDA 2017.4, and turns out some were using Windows 7 RTM
build.
Thus the following community directive:



In order to use NVDA 2017.4 or later, Windows 7 Service Pack 1 or
later is
ABSOLUTELY required.



To find out which Windows release you've got:



1. Press Windows key to open Start menu.
2. Type "winver" without quotes and press Enter.
3. Check the build shown on About Windows dialog.



If the build number is 7601 or higher, you're all set. If it is lower
than
that:



* If using Windows 7 RTM (build number is 7600), please use NVDA
2017.3, upgrade to Windows 7 SP1 first, then update to NVDA 2017.4.
* If using versions other than 7 (build number is less than 7600),
then NVDA 2017.3 is the last supported version for you.



In the next few weeks, some add-on authors will announce minimum
supported
versions of NVDA and Windows. For example, if you are using
StationPlaylist
Studio add-on, starting from version 17.12 stable, Windows 7 SP1 or
higher
is absolutely required.



Thank you.

Cheers,

Joseph

I wonder if those who have such systems have pirate copies of Windows and have turned off auto update.



On 12/7/2017 4:58 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:

Could I ask how people could end up without sp1, as I seem to recall from friends that this update some years back now was pushed automatically to existing systems and its not just nvda which relies on it either.

Also now, how would a user get it and install it, is it relatively simple on the Microsoft site or would you suggest going the whole way and going to 10 before 31st Dec while a free update is there. I'm assuming that the old version of 7 will still allow the update.
Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2017 6:18 PM
Subject: [nvda] IMPORTANT COMMUNITY DIRECTIVE: to use NVDA 2017.4, Windows 7 SP1 or later is absolutely required

Dear NVDA community,



It was brought to developers' attention that some people were having issues
upgrading to NVDA 2017.4, and turns out some were using Windows 7 RTM build.
Thus the following community directive:



In order to use NVDA 2017.4 or later, Windows 7 Service Pack 1 or later is
ABSOLUTELY required.



To find out which Windows release you've got:



1. Press Windows key to open Start menu.
2. Type "winver" without quotes and press Enter.
3. Check the build shown on About Windows dialog.



If the build number is 7601 or higher, you're all set. If it is lower than
that:



* If using Windows 7 RTM (build number is 7600), please use NVDA
2017.3, upgrade to Windows 7 SP1 first, then update to NVDA 2017.4.
* If using versions other than 7 (build number is less than 7600),
then NVDA 2017.3 is the last supported version for you.



In the next few weeks, some add-on authors will announce minimum supported
versions of NVDA and Windows. For example, if you are using StationPlaylist
Studio add-on, starting from version 17.12 stable, Windows 7 SP1 or higher
is absolutely required.



Thank you.

Cheers,

Joseph

--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"

i am completely against any update, no different if updates are for
softwares or operating system!
i only use anything that i need!

On 12/7/17, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
<bglists@...> wrote:

Not necessarily, many of the ones that could have been pirates have allowed

windows 10 on them, so I think this ias a pink herring. Its more likely they

just turned them off then forgot. Also some of those machines tend to be
second user hand me downs so they are probably unaware the updates had been

turned off. You only tend to open the bonnet when things stop working!

Brian

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Sent via blueyonder.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Canazzi" <aa2vm@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2017 2:33 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] IMPORTANT COMMUNITY DIRECTIVE: to use NVDA 2017.4,
Windows 7 SP1 or later is absolutely required

I wonder if those who have such systems have pirate copies of Windows and
have turned off auto update.



On 12/7/2017 4:58 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:

Could I ask how people could end up without sp1, as I seem to recall from

friends that this update some years back now was pushed automatically to

existing systems and its not just nvda which relies on it either.

Also now, how would a user get it and install it, is it relatively simple

on the Microsoft site or would you suggest going the whole way and going

to 10 before 31st Dec while a free update is there. I'm assuming that the

old version of 7 will still allow the update.
Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Lee"
<joseph.lee22590@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2017 6:18 PM
Subject: [nvda] IMPORTANT COMMUNITY DIRECTIVE: to use NVDA 2017.4,
Windows 7 SP1 or later is absolutely required

Dear NVDA community,



It was brought to developers' attention that some people were having
issues
upgrading to NVDA 2017.4, and turns out some were using Windows 7 RTM
build.
Thus the following community directive:



In order to use NVDA 2017.4 or later, Windows 7 Service Pack 1 or later

is
ABSOLUTELY required.



To find out which Windows release you've got:



1. Press Windows key to open Start menu.
2. Type "winver" without quotes and press Enter.
3. Check the build shown on About Windows dialog.



If the build number is 7601 or higher, you're all set. If it is lower
than
that:



* If using Windows 7 RTM (build number is 7600), please use NVDA
2017.3, upgrade to Windows 7 SP1 first, then update to NVDA 2017.4.
* If using versions other than 7 (build number is less than 7600),
then NVDA 2017.3 is the last supported version for you.



In the next few weeks, some add-on authors will announce minimum
supported
versions of NVDA and Windows. For example, if you are using
StationPlaylist
Studio add-on, starting from version 17.12 stable, Windows 7 SP1 or
higher
is absolutely required.



Thank you.

Cheers,

Joseph

--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"

i am completely against any update, no different if updates are for

softwares or operating system!

i only use anything that i need!

On 12/7/17, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io

<bglists@...> wrote:

> Not  necessarily, many of the ones that could have been pirates have allowed

> 

> windows 10 on them, so I think this ias a pink herring. Its more likely they

> 

> just turned them off then forgot. Also some of those machines tend to be

> second user hand me downs so they are probably unaware the updates had been

> 

> turned off. You only tend to open the bonnet when things stop working!

> 

> Brian

> 

> bglists@...

> Sent via blueyonder.

> Please address personal email to:-

> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'

> in the display name field.

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: "Ron Canazzi" <aa2vm@...>

> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

> Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2017 2:33 PM

> Subject: Re: [nvda] IMPORTANT COMMUNITY DIRECTIVE: to use NVDA 2017.4,

> Windows 7 SP1 or later is absolutely required

> 

> 

>>I wonder if those who have such systems have pirate copies of Windows and

>>have turned off auto update.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> On 12/7/2017 4:58 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:

>>> Could I ask how people could end up without sp1, as I seem to recall from

>>> 

>>> friends that this update some years back now was pushed automatically to

>>> 

>>> existing systems and its not just nvda which relies on it either.

>>> 

>>> Also now, how would a user get it and install it, is it relatively simple

>>> 

>>> on the Microsoft site or would you suggest going the whole way and going

>>> 

>>> to 10 before 31st Dec while a free update is there. I'm assuming that the

>>> 

>>> old version of 7 will still allow the update.

>>> Brian

>>> 

>>> bglists@...

>>> Sent via blueyonder.

>>> Please address personal email to:-

>>> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'

>>> in the display name field.

>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Lee"

>>> <joseph.lee22590@...>

>>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2017 6:18 PM

>>> Subject: [nvda] IMPORTANT COMMUNITY DIRECTIVE: to use NVDA 2017.4,

>>> Windows 7 SP1 or later is absolutely required

>>> 

>>> 

>>>> Dear NVDA community,

>>>> 

>>>> 

>>>> 

>>>> It was brought to developers' attention that some people were having

>>>> issues

>>>> upgrading to NVDA 2017.4, and turns out some were using Windows 7 RTM

>>>> build.

>>>> Thus the following community directive:

>>>> 

>>>> 

>>>> 

>>>> In order to use NVDA 2017.4 or later, Windows 7 Service Pack 1 or later

>>>> 

>>>> is

>>>> ABSOLUTELY required.

>>>> 

>>>> 

>>>> 

>>>> To find out which Windows release you've got:

>>>> 

>>>> 

>>>> 

>>>> 1. Press Windows key to open Start menu.

>>>> 2. Type "winver" without quotes and press Enter.

>>>> 3. Check the build shown on About Windows dialog.

>>>> 

>>>> 

>>>> 

>>>> If the build number is 7601 or higher, you're all set. If it is lower

>>>> than

>>>> that:

>>>> 

>>>> 

>>>> 

>>>> * If using Windows 7 RTM (build number is 7600), please use NVDA

>>>> 2017.3, upgrade to Windows 7 SP1 first, then update to NVDA 2017.4.

>>>> * If using versions other than 7 (build number is less than 7600),

>>>> then NVDA 2017.3 is the last supported version for you.

>>>> 

>>>> 

>>>> 

>>>> In the next few weeks, some add-on authors will announce minimum

>>>> supported

>>>> versions of NVDA and Windows. For example, if you are using

>>>> StationPlaylist

>>>> Studio add-on, starting from version 17.12 stable, Windows 7 SP1 or

>>>> higher

>>>> is absolutely required.

>>>> 

>>>> 

>>>> 

>>>> Thank you.

>>>> 

>>>> Cheers,

>>>> 

>>>> Joseph

>>>> 

>>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>> 

>> --

>> They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.

>> They ask: "How Happy are You?"

>> I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

> 

> 

>

> 

> 

--

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holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.

in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:

indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.

best website for studying islamic book in different languages

www.al-islam.org

----- Original Message -----

From: Ron Canazzi

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2017 11:54 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] IMPORTANT COMMUNITY DIRECTIVE: to use NVDA 2017.4, Windows 7 SP1 or later is absolutely required

So security issues don't bother you?



On 12/7/2017 10:59 AM, zahra wrote:
> i am completely against any update, no different if updates are for
> softwares or operating system!
> i only use anything that i need!
>
> On 12/7/17, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
> <bglists@...> wrote:
>> Not  necessarily, many of the ones that could have been pirates have allowed
>>
>> windows 10 on them, so I think this ias a pink herring. Its more likely they
>>
>> just turned them off then forgot. Also some of those machines tend to be
>> second user hand me downs so they are probably unaware the updates had been
>>
>> turned off. You only tend to open the bonnet when things stop working!
>>
>> Brian
>>
>> bglists@...
>> Sent via blueyonder.
>> Please address personal email to:-
>> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
>> in the display name field.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ron Canazzi" <aa2vm@...>
>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2017 2:33 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] IMPORTANT COMMUNITY DIRECTIVE: to use NVDA 2017.4,
>> Windows 7 SP1 or later is absolutely required
>>
>>
>>> I wonder if those who have such systems have pirate copies of Windows and
>>> have turned off auto update.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 12/7/2017 4:58 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
>>>> Could I ask how people could end up without sp1, as I seem to recall from
>>>>
>>>> friends that this update some years back now was pushed automatically to
>>>>
>>>> existing systems and its not just nvda which relies on it either.
>>>>
>>>> Also now, how would a user get it and install it, is it relatively simple
>>>>
>>>> on the Microsoft site or would you suggest going the whole way and going
>>>>
>>>> to 10 before 31st Dec while a free update is there. I'm assuming that the
>>>>
>>>> old version of 7 will still allow the update.
>>>> Brian
>>>>
>>>> bglists@...
>>>> Sent via blueyonder.
>>>> Please address personal email to:-
>>>> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
>>>> in the display name field.
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Lee"
>>>> <joseph.lee22590@...>
>>>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2017 6:18 PM
>>>> Subject: [nvda] IMPORTANT COMMUNITY DIRECTIVE: to use NVDA 2017.4,
>>>> Windows 7 SP1 or later is absolutely required
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Dear NVDA community,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It was brought to developers' attention that some people were having
>>>>> issues
>>>>> upgrading to NVDA 2017.4, and turns out some were using Windows 7 RTM
>>>>> build.
>>>>> Thus the following community directive:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> In order to use NVDA 2017.4 or later, Windows 7 Service Pack 1 or later
>>>>>
>>>>> is
>>>>> ABSOLUTELY required.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> To find out which Windows release you've got:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. Press Windows key to open Start menu.
>>>>> 2. Type "winver" without quotes and press Enter.
>>>>> 3. Check the build shown on About Windows dialog.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If the build number is 7601 or higher, you're all set. If it is lower
>>>>> than
>>>>> that:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> * If using Windows 7 RTM (build number is 7600), please use NVDA
>>>>> 2017.3, upgrade to Windows 7 SP1 first, then update to NVDA 2017.4.
>>>>> * If using versions other than 7 (build number is less than 7600),
>>>>> then NVDA 2017.3 is the last supported version for you.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> In the next few weeks, some add-on authors will announce minimum
>>>>> supported
>>>>> versions of NVDA and Windows. For example, if you are using
>>>>> StationPlaylist
>>>>> Studio add-on, starting from version 17.12 stable, Windows 7 SP1 or
>>>>> higher
>>>>> is absolutely required.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>
>>>>> Joseph
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> --
>>> They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
>>> They ask: "How Happy are You?"
>>> I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"

Not necessarily, many of the ones that could have been pirates have
allowed

windows 10 on them, so I think this ias a pink herring. Its more
likely they

just turned them off then forgot. Also some of those machines tend to
be second user hand me downs so they are probably unaware the updates
had been

turned off. You only tend to open the bonnet when things stop working!

Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Canazzi" <aa2vm@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2017 2:33 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] IMPORTANT COMMUNITY DIRECTIVE: to use NVDA 2017.4,
Windows 7 SP1 or later is absolutely required

I wonder if those who have such systems have pirate copies of Windows
and have turned off auto update.



On 12/7/2017 4:58 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:

Could I ask how people could end up without sp1, as I seem to recall
from

friends that this update some years back now was pushed
automatically to

existing systems and its not just nvda which relies on it either.

Also now, how would a user get it and install it, is it relatively
simple

on the Microsoft site or would you suggest going the whole way and
going

to 10 before 31st Dec while a free update is there. I'm assuming
that the

old version of 7 will still allow the update.
Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Lee"
<joseph.lee22590@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2017 6:18 PM
Subject: [nvda] IMPORTANT COMMUNITY DIRECTIVE: to use NVDA 2017.4,
Windows 7 SP1 or later is absolutely required

Dear NVDA community,



It was brought to developers' attention that some people were
having issues upgrading to NVDA 2017.4, and turns out some were
using Windows 7 RTM build.
Thus the following community directive:



In order to use NVDA 2017.4 or later, Windows 7 Service Pack 1 or
later

is
ABSOLUTELY required.



To find out which Windows release you've got:



1. Press Windows key to open Start menu.
2. Type "winver" without quotes and press Enter.
3. Check the build shown on About Windows dialog.



If the build number is 7601 or higher, you're all set. If it is
lower than
that:



* If using Windows 7 RTM (build number is 7600), please use NVDA
2017.3, upgrade to Windows 7 SP1 first, then update to NVDA 2017.4.
* If using versions other than 7 (build number is less than 7600),
then NVDA 2017.3 is the last supported version for you.



In the next few weeks, some add-on authors will announce minimum
supported versions of NVDA and Windows. For example, if you are
using StationPlaylist Studio add-on, starting from version 17.12
stable, Windows 7 SP1 or higher is absolutely required.



Thank you.

Cheers,

Joseph

--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"

Not necessarily, many of the ones that could have been pirates have
allowed

windows 10 on them, so I think this ias a pink herring. Its more
likely they

just turned them off then forgot. Also some of those machines tend to
be second user hand me downs so they are probably unaware the updates
had been

turned off. You only tend to open the bonnet when things stop working!

Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Canazzi" <aa2vm@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2017 2:33 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] IMPORTANT COMMUNITY DIRECTIVE: to use NVDA 2017.4,
Windows 7 SP1 or later is absolutely required

I wonder if those who have such systems have pirate copies of Windows
and have turned off auto update.



On 12/7/2017 4:58 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:

Could I ask how people could end up without sp1, as I seem to recall
from

friends that this update some years back now was pushed
automatically to

existing systems and its not just nvda which relies on it either.

Also now, how would a user get it and install it, is it relatively
simple

on the Microsoft site or would you suggest going the whole way and
going

to 10 before 31st Dec while a free update is there. I'm assuming
that the

old version of 7 will still allow the update.
Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Lee"
<joseph.lee22590@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2017 6:18 PM
Subject: [nvda] IMPORTANT COMMUNITY DIRECTIVE: to use NVDA 2017.4,
Windows 7 SP1 or later is absolutely required

Dear NVDA community,



It was brought to developers' attention that some people were
having issues upgrading to NVDA 2017.4, and turns out some were
using Windows 7 RTM build.
Thus the following community directive:



In order to use NVDA 2017.4 or later, Windows 7 Service Pack 1 or
later

is
ABSOLUTELY required.



To find out which Windows release you've got:



1. Press Windows key to open Start menu.
2. Type "winver" without quotes and press Enter.
3. Check the build shown on About Windows dialog.



If the build number is 7601 or higher, you're all set. If it is
lower than
that:



* If using Windows 7 RTM (build number is 7600), please use NVDA
2017.3, upgrade to Windows 7 SP1 first, then update to NVDA 2017.4.
* If using versions other than 7 (build number is less than 7600),
then NVDA 2017.3 is the last supported version for you.



In the next few weeks, some add-on authors will announce minimum
supported versions of NVDA and Windows. For example, if you are
using StationPlaylist Studio add-on, starting from version 17.12
stable, Windows 7 SP1 or higher is absolutely required.



Thank you.

Cheers,

Joseph

--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"

----- Original Message -----

From: Adriani Botez

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2017 4:06 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] IMPORTANT COMMUNITY DIRECTIVE: to use NVDA 2017.4, Windows 7 SP1 or later is absolutely required

With respect,  This is a wrong perception. Updates nowadays are bringing more security and more functionality. It is more than important to keep everything uptodate. Support will stop after a while for what you are using and it will be harder and harder to adapt to new technologies. If you keep updating regularly, you will be used to learn new functions and it will be very easy to adapt to new things. In 5 years screen readers will be much much different than today. For those who keep staying behind, they will loose the path. Please be aware of that.


Best
Adriani

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] Im Auftrag von zahra
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 7. Dezember 2017 16:59
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] IMPORTANT COMMUNITY DIRECTIVE: to use NVDA 2017.4, Windows 7 SP1 or later is absolutely required

i am completely against any update, no different if updates are for softwares or operating system!
i only use anything that i need!

On 12/7/17, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists@...> wrote:
> Not  necessarily, many of the ones that could have been pirates have
> allowed
>
> windows 10 on them, so I think this ias a pink herring. Its more
> likely they
>
> just turned them off then forgot. Also some of those machines tend to
> be second user hand me downs so they are probably unaware the updates
> had been
>
> turned off. You only tend to open the bonnet when things stop working!
>
> Brian
>
> bglists@...
> Sent via blueyonder.
> Please address personal email to:-
> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
> in the display name field.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ron Canazzi" <aa2vm@...>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2017 2:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [nvda] IMPORTANT COMMUNITY DIRECTIVE: to use NVDA 2017.4,
> Windows 7 SP1 or later is absolutely required
>
>
>>I wonder if those who have such systems have pirate copies of Windows
>>and have turned off auto update.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 12/7/2017 4:58 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
>>> Could I ask how people could end up without sp1, as I seem to recall
>>> from
>>>
>>> friends that this update some years back now was pushed
>>> automatically to
>>>
>>> existing systems and its not just nvda which relies on it either.
>>>
>>> Also now, how would a user get it and install it, is it relatively
>>> simple
>>>
>>> on the Microsoft site or would you suggest going the whole way and
>>> going
>>>
>>> to 10 before 31st Dec while a free update is there. I'm assuming
>>> that the
>>>
>>> old version of 7 will still allow the update.
>>> Brian
>>>
>>> bglists@...
>>> Sent via blueyonder.
>>> Please address personal email to:-
>>> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
>>> in the display name field.
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Lee"
>>> <joseph.lee22590@...>
>>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2017 6:18 PM
>>> Subject: [nvda] IMPORTANT COMMUNITY DIRECTIVE: to use NVDA 2017.4,
>>> Windows 7 SP1 or later is absolutely required
>>>
>>>
>>>> Dear NVDA community,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It was brought to developers' attention that some people were
>>>> having issues upgrading to NVDA 2017.4, and turns out some were
>>>> using Windows 7 RTM build.
>>>> Thus the following community directive:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In order to use NVDA 2017.4 or later, Windows 7 Service Pack 1 or
>>>> later
>>>>
>>>> is
>>>> ABSOLUTELY required.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> To find out which Windows release you've got:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 1. Press Windows key to open Start menu.
>>>> 2. Type "winver" without quotes and press Enter.
>>>> 3. Check the build shown on About Windows dialog.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If the build number is 7601 or higher, you're all set. If it is
>>>> lower than
>>>> that:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> * If using Windows 7 RTM (build number is 7600), please use NVDA
>>>> 2017.3, upgrade to Windows 7 SP1 first, then update to NVDA 2017.4.
>>>> * If using versions other than 7 (build number is less than 7600),
>>>> then NVDA 2017.3 is the last supported version for you.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In the next few weeks, some add-on authors will announce minimum
>>>> supported versions of NVDA and Windows. For example, if you are
>>>> using StationPlaylist Studio add-on, starting from version 17.12
>>>> stable, Windows 7 SP1 or higher is absolutely required.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thank you.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Joseph
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
>> They ask: "How Happy are You?"
>> I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>


--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages www.al-islam.org

Not necessarily, many of the ones that could have been pirates have
allowed

windows 10 on them, so I think this ias a pink herring. Its more
likely they

just turned them off then forgot. Also some of those machines tend to
be second user hand me downs so they are probably unaware the updates
had been

turned off. You only tend to open the bonnet when things stop working!

Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Canazzi" <aa2vm@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2017 2:33 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] IMPORTANT COMMUNITY DIRECTIVE: to use NVDA 2017.4,
Windows 7 SP1 or later is absolutely required

I wonder if those who have such systems have pirate copies of Windows
and have turned off auto update.



On 12/7/2017 4:58 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:

Could I ask how people could end up without sp1, as I seem to recall
from

friends that this update some years back now was pushed
automatically to

existing systems and its not just nvda which relies on it either.

Also now, how would a user get it and install it, is it relatively
simple

on the Microsoft site or would you suggest going the whole way and
going

to 10 before 31st Dec while a free update is there. I'm assuming
that the

old version of 7 will still allow the update.
Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Lee"
<joseph.lee22590@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2017 6:18 PM
Subject: [nvda] IMPORTANT COMMUNITY DIRECTIVE: to use NVDA 2017.4,
Windows 7 SP1 or later is absolutely required

Dear NVDA community,



It was brought to developers' attention that some people were
having issues upgrading to NVDA 2017.4, and turns out some were
using Windows 7 RTM build.
Thus the following community directive:



In order to use NVDA 2017.4 or later, Windows 7 Service Pack 1 or
later

is
ABSOLUTELY required.



To find out which Windows release you've got:



1. Press Windows key to open Start menu.
2. Type "winver" without quotes and press Enter.
3. Check the build shown on About Windows dialog.



If the build number is 7601 or higher, you're all set. If it is
lower than
that:



* If using Windows 7 RTM (build number is 7600), please use NVDA
2017.3, upgrade to Windows 7 SP1 first, then update to NVDA 2017.4.
* If using versions other than 7 (build number is less than 7600),
then NVDA 2017.3 is the last supported version for you.



In the next few weeks, some add-on authors will announce minimum
supported versions of NVDA and Windows. For example, if you are
using StationPlaylist Studio add-on, starting from version 17.12
stable, Windows 7 SP1 or higher is absolutely required.



Thank you.

Cheers,

Joseph

--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"

----- Original Message -----

From: Adriani Botez

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2017 4:06 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] IMPORTANT COMMUNITY DIRECTIVE: to use NVDA 2017.4, Windows 7 SP1 or later is absolutely required

 

With respect,  This is a wrong perception. Updates nowadays are bringing more security and more functionality. It is more than important to keep everything uptodate. Support will stop after a while for what you are using and it will be harder and harder to adapt to new technologies. If you keep updating regularly, you will be used to learn new functions and it will be very easy to adapt to new things. In 5 years screen readers will be much much different than today. For those who keep staying behind, they will loose the path. Please be aware of that.


Best
Adriani

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] Im Auftrag von zahra
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 7. Dezember 2017 16:59
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] IMPORTANT COMMUNITY DIRECTIVE: to use NVDA 2017.4, Windows 7 SP1 or later is absolutely required

i am completely against any update, no different if updates are for softwares or operating system!
i only use anything that i need!

On 12/7/17, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists@...> wrote:
> Not  necessarily, many of the ones that could have been pirates have
> allowed
>
> windows 10 on them, so I think this ias a pink herring. Its more
> likely they
>
> just turned them off then forgot. Also some of those machines tend to
> be second user hand me downs so they are probably unaware the updates
> had been
>
> turned off. You only tend to open the bonnet when things stop working!
>
> Brian
>
> bglists@...
> Sent via blueyonder.
> Please address personal email to:-
> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
> in the display name field.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ron Canazzi" <aa2vm@...>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2017 2:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [nvda] IMPORTANT COMMUNITY DIRECTIVE: to use NVDA 2017.4,
> Windows 7 SP1 or later is absolutely required
>
>
>>I wonder if those who have such systems have pirate copies of Windows
>>and have turned off auto update.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 12/7/2017 4:58 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
>>> Could I ask how people could end up without sp1, as I seem to recall
>>> from
>>>
>>> friends that this update some years back now was pushed
>>> automatically to
>>>
>>> existing systems and its not just nvda which relies on it either.
>>>
>>> Also now, how would a user get it and install it, is it relatively
>>> simple
>>>
>>> on the Microsoft site or would you suggest going the whole way and
>>> going
>>>
>>> to 10 before 31st Dec while a free update is there. I'm assuming
>>> that the
>>>
>>> old version of 7 will still allow the update.
>>> Brian
>>>
>>> bglists@...
>>> Sent via blueyonder.
>>> Please address personal email to:-
>>> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
>>> in the display name field.
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Lee"
>>> <joseph.lee22590@...>
>>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2017 6:18 PM
>>> Subject: [nvda] IMPORTANT COMMUNITY DIRECTIVE: to use NVDA 2017.4,
>>> Windows 7 SP1 or later is absolutely required
>>>
>>>
>>>> Dear NVDA community,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It was brought to developers' attention that some people were
>>>> having issues upgrading to NVDA 2017.4, and turns out some were
>>>> using Windows 7 RTM build.
>>>> Thus the following community directive:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In order to use NVDA 2017.4 or later, Windows 7 Service Pack 1 or
>>>> later
>>>>
>>>> is
>>>> ABSOLUTELY required.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> To find out which Windows release you've got:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 1. Press Windows key to open Start menu.
>>>> 2. Type "winver" without quotes and press Enter.
>>>> 3. Check the build shown on About Windows dialog.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If the build number is 7601 or higher, you're all set. If it is
>>>> lower than
>>>> that:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> * If using Windows 7 RTM (build number is 7600), please use NVDA
>>>> 2017.3, upgrade to Windows 7 SP1 first, then update to NVDA 2017.4.
>>>> * If using versions other than 7 (build number is less than 7600),
>>>> then NVDA 2017.3 is the last supported version for you.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In the next few weeks, some add-on authors will announce minimum
>>>> supported versions of NVDA and Windows. For example, if you are
>>>> using StationPlaylist Studio add-on, starting from version 17.12
>>>> stable, Windows 7 SP1 or higher is absolutely required.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thank you.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Joseph
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
>> They ask: "How Happy are You?"
>> I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>


--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages www.al-islam.org

----- Original Message -----

From: Arlene

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2017 5:17 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] IMPORTANT COMMUNITY DIRECTIVE: to use NVDA 2017.4, Windows 7 SP1 or later is absolutely required

You mean your Alva Satalite does not work on win ten?  I have an Alva Not sure what it is. It works on 7.  Not sure if it’s the one you have.  Would be good if it would work on ten. What if the old xp dies?  I know a friend who uses win ten. But has an xp clunker like you. He uses it for what xp can do with audio files like convert old vhs video tapes to mp3. 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: December-07-17 2:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] IMPORTANT COMMUNITY DIRECTIVE: to use NVDA 2017.4, Windows 7 SP1 or later is absolutely required

 

Completely agreed. OK, I do have an XP machine still, but it's definitely not my primary system, and I only use it mainly for old legacy stuff that refuses to work on newer technology... like my Alva Satalite display. I'd kill! to get that thing working on my Windows 10 machine, but every hack, and every driver I've tried, it just won't do it.

---
Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries

 

http://www.gshministry.org
(980) 500-9575

----- Original Message -----

From: Adriani Botez

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2017 4:06 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] IMPORTANT COMMUNITY DIRECTIVE: to use NVDA 2017.4, Windows 7 SP1 or later is absolutely required

 

With respect,  This is a wrong perception. Updates nowadays are bringing more security and more functionality. It is more than important to keep everything uptodate. Support will stop after a while for what you are using and it will be harder and harder to adapt to new technologies. If you keep updating regularly, you will be used to learn new functions and it will be very easy to adapt to new things. In 5 years screen readers will be much much different than today. For those who keep staying behind, they will loose the path. Please be aware of that.


Best
Adriani

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] Im Auftrag von zahra
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 7. Dezember 2017 16:59
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] IMPORTANT COMMUNITY DIRECTIVE: to use NVDA 2017.4, Windows 7 SP1 or later is absolutely required

i am completely against any update, no different if updates are for softwares or operating system!
i only use anything that i need!

On 12/7/17, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists@...> wrote:
> Not  necessarily, many of the ones that could have been pirates have
> allowed
>
> windows 10 on them, so I think this ias a pink herring. Its more
> likely they
>
> just turned them off then forgot. Also some of those machines tend to
> be second user hand me downs so they are probably unaware the updates
> had been
>
> turned off. You only tend to open the bonnet when things stop working!
>
> Brian
>
> bglists@...
> Sent via blueyonder.
> Please address personal email to:-
> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
> in the display name field.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ron Canazzi" <aa2vm@...>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2017 2:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [nvda] IMPORTANT COMMUNITY DIRECTIVE: to use NVDA 2017.4,
> Windows 7 SP1 or later is absolutely required
>
>
>>I wonder if those who have such systems have pirate copies of Windows
>>and have turned off auto update.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 12/7/2017 4:58 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
>>> Could I ask how people could end up without sp1, as I seem to recall
>>> from
>>>
>>> friends that this update some years back now was pushed
>>> automatically to
>>>
>>> existing systems and its not just nvda which relies on it either.
>>>
>>> Also now, how would a user get it and install it, is it relatively
>>> simple
>>>
>>> on the Microsoft site or would you suggest going the whole way and
>>> going
>>>
>>> to 10 before 31st Dec while a free update is there. I'm assuming
>>> that the
>>>
>>> old version of 7 will still allow the update.
>>> Brian
>>>
>>> bglists@...
>>> Sent via blueyonder.
>>> Please address personal email to:-
>>> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
>>> in the display name field.
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Lee"
>>> <joseph.lee22590@...>
>>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2017 6:18 PM
>>> Subject: [nvda] IMPORTANT COMMUNITY DIRECTIVE: to use NVDA 2017.4,
>>> Windows 7 SP1 or later is absolutely required
>>>
>>>
>>>> Dear NVDA community,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It was brought to developers' attention that some people were
>>>> having issues upgrading to NVDA 2017.4, and turns out some were
>>>> using Windows 7 RTM build.
>>>> Thus the following community directive:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In order to use NVDA 2017.4 or later, Windows 7 Service Pack 1 or
>>>> later
>>>>
>>>> is
>>>> ABSOLUTELY required.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> To find out which Windows release you've got:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 1. Press Windows key to open Start menu.
>>>> 2. Type "winver" without quotes and press Enter.
>>>> 3. Check the build shown on About Windows dialog.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If the build number is 7601 or higher, you're all set. If it is
>>>> lower than
>>>> that:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> * If using Windows 7 RTM (build number is 7600), please use NVDA
>>>> 2017.3, upgrade to Windows 7 SP1 first, then update to NVDA 2017.4.
>>>> * If using versions other than 7 (build number is less than 7600),
>>>> then NVDA 2017.3 is the last supported version for you.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In the next few weeks, some add-on authors will announce minimum
>>>> supported versions of NVDA and Windows. For example, if you are
>>>> using StationPlaylist Studio add-on, starting from version 17.12
>>>> stable, Windows 7 SP1 or higher is absolutely required.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thank you.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Joseph
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
>> They ask: "How Happy are You?"
>> I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>


--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages www.al-islam.org

I think mine is the 584 Pro.

The thing is, first off, I bought the thing used, which I'm not gonna
complain, being I got the thing for $250. Being these things are normally
like, what, 16 grand? OK, some of the cells are a little smashed, but it's
still legible. It could be way way worse than it is!

Anyway, about Win7, Really there're two things with NVDA, or for that mind,
even JAWS, which stand up as a challenge. First off, I don't think a 64 bit
driver ever was created. Secondly, I mention about getting this display
used, as the guy who sold it to me didn't have a male to female serial
cable, plus, even if he did, my Windows 10 machines don't have serial ports
anyway, so whoops, there went that idea.

Secondly, the company who makes the Alva, Optilec I think, isn't around
anymore, and, he didn't have a power cord. Fortunately, if you connect the
display via USB, then it will bus power itself. God forbid you ever go into
its setup menu and disable USB. LOL! I'm not about to be a guinea pig and
try it. LOL!

In NVDA, I've tried BRLTTY, but that doesn't work. I think I'd need a serial
connection for that to work, and plus, again, I'd need the 64 bit driver.

Anyway, so, yeah...
---
Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries

http://www.gshministry.org
(980) 500-9575
----- Original Message -----
From: Arlene
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2017 5:17 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] IMPORTANT COMMUNITY DIRECTIVE: to use NVDA 2017.4,
Windows 7 SP1 or later is absolutely required


You mean your Alva Satalite does not work on win ten? I have an Alva Not
sure what it is. It works on 7. Not sure if it’s the one you have. Would
be good if it would work on ten. What if the old xp dies? I know a friend
who uses win ten. But has an xp clunker like you. He uses it for what xp can
do with audio files like convert old vhs video tapes to mp3.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: December-07-17 2:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] IMPORTANT COMMUNITY DIRECTIVE: to use NVDA 2017.4,
Windows 7 SP1 or later is absolutely required



Completely agreed. OK, I do have an XP machine still, but it's definitely
not my primary system, and I only use it mainly for old legacy stuff that
refuses to work on newer technology... like my Alva Satalite display. I'd
kill! to get that thing working on my Windows 10 machine, but every hack,
and every driver I've tried, it just won't do it.

---
Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries



http://www.gshministry.org
(980) 500-9575

----- Original Message -----

From: Adriani Botez

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2017 4:06 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] IMPORTANT COMMUNITY DIRECTIVE: to use NVDA 2017.4,
Windows 7 SP1 or later is absolutely required



With respect, This is a wrong perception. Updates nowadays are bringing
more security and more functionality. It is more than important to keep
everything uptodate. Support will stop after a while for what you are using
and it will be harder and harder to adapt to new technologies. If you keep
updating regularly, you will be used to learn new functions and it will be
very easy to adapt to new things. In 5 years screen readers will be much
much different than today. For those who keep staying behind, they will
loose the path. Please be aware of that.


Best
Adriani

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] Im Auftrag von
zahra
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 7. Dezember 2017 16:59
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] IMPORTANT COMMUNITY DIRECTIVE: to use NVDA 2017.4,
Windows 7 SP1 or later is absolutely required

i am completely against any update, no different if updates are for
softwares or operating system!
i only use anything that i need!

On 12/7/17, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
<bglists@...> wrote:
> Not necessarily, many of the ones that could have been pirates have
> allowed
>
> windows 10 on them, so I think this ias a pink herring. Its more
> likely they
>
> just turned them off then forgot. Also some of those machines tend to

> be second user hand me downs so they are probably unaware the updates

> had been
>
> turned off. You only tend to open the bonnet when things stop
working!
>
> Brian
>
> bglists@...
> Sent via blueyonder.
> Please address personal email to:-
> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
> in the display name field.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ron Canazzi" <aa2vm@...>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2017 2:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [nvda] IMPORTANT COMMUNITY DIRECTIVE: to use NVDA 2017.4,

> Windows 7 SP1 or later is absolutely required
>
>
>>I wonder if those who have such systems have pirate copies of Windows

>>and have turned off auto update.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 12/7/2017 4:58 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
>>> Could I ask how people could end up without sp1, as I seem to recall

>>> from
>>>
>>> friends that this update some years back now was pushed
>>> automatically to
>>>
>>> existing systems and its not just nvda which relies on it either.
>>>
>>> Also now, how would a user get it and install it, is it relatively
>>> simple
>>>
>>> on the Microsoft site or would you suggest going the whole way and
>>> going
>>>
>>> to 10 before 31st Dec while a free update is there. I'm assuming
>>> that the
>>>
>>> old version of 7 will still allow the update.
>>> Brian
>>>
>>> bglists@...
>>> Sent via blueyonder.
>>> Please address personal email to:-
>>> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
>>> in the display name field.
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Lee"
>>> <joseph.lee22590@...>
>>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2017 6:18 PM
>>> Subject: [nvda] IMPORTANT COMMUNITY DIRECTIVE: to use NVDA 2017.4,
>>> Windows 7 SP1 or later is absolutely required
>>>
>>>
>>>> Dear NVDA community,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It was brought to developers' attention that some people were
>>>> having issues upgrading to NVDA 2017.4, and turns out some were
>>>> using Windows 7 RTM build.
>>>> Thus the following community directive:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In order to use NVDA 2017.4 or later, Windows 7 Service Pack 1 or
>>>> later
>>>>
>>>> is
>>>> ABSOLUTELY required.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> To find out which Windows release you've got:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 1. Press Windows key to open Start menu.
>>>> 2. Type "winver" without quotes and press Enter.
>>>> 3. Check the build shown on About Windows dialog.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If the build number is 7601 or higher, you're all set. If it is
>>>> lower than
>>>> that:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> * If using Windows 7 RTM (build number is 7600), please use NVDA
>>>> 2017.3, upgrade to Windows 7 SP1 first, then update to NVDA
2017.4.
>>>> * If using versions other than 7 (build number is less than 7600),

>>>> then NVDA 2017.3 is the last supported version for you.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In the next few weeks, some add-on authors will announce minimum
>>>> supported versions of NVDA and Windows. For example, if you are
>>>> using StationPlaylist Studio add-on, starting from version 17.12
>>>> stable, Windows 7 SP1 or higher is absolutely required.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thank you.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Joseph
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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