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Don H
I am running NVDA 2017-4 on a Win 10 64 bit machine. I have a web site where there are multiple links on a single line thus NVDA reads them together. If my memory is right there is a way to get NVDA to read this multi link lines as if each link was separate. Looked everywhere but can't find it.
Thanks a
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Gene
Just one more example of why having links read each
link on a separate line should be the default, as I said two or three days
ago. The feature is in browse mode settings. It's a check box that
says use screen layout, if supported. Uncheck this box and activate the ok
button.
Gene
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where there are multiple links on a single line thus NVDA reads them together. If my memory is right there is a way to get NVDA to read this multi link lines as if each link was separate. Looked everywhere but can't find it. Thanks a
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Sam Taylor
Hi Don, Toggle Preserve screen layout, NVDA+V. Cheers Sam
On 7/12/2017 10:25 am, Don H wrote:
I am running NVDA 2017-4 on a Win 10 64 bit machine. I have a web site where there are multiple links on a single line thus NVDA reads them together. If my memory is right there is a way to get NVDA to read this multi link lines as if each link was separate. Looked everywhere but can't find it.
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Mary Otten
This brings up the question of why preserving screen layout is a good idea. I mean, maybe that has to do with working with sighted colleagues? But if that's the only reason, then I'm definitely turning it off as of little to no use.
Mary
On 12/6/2017 4:43 PM, Gene wrote:
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Andy
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i agree! It's a case of someone other than the user
trying to cram something down our throats because we should do things like a
sighted person does.
Andy
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Gene
I haven't worked with online discussion forums
enough to say much but I've seen some comments that forums are easier to work
with. But in general, it's better to have links read on their own
line.
Gene
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From: Mary Otten
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2017 6:49 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] links on single line This brings up the question of why preserving screen layout is a good idea. I mean, maybe that has to do with working with sighted colleagues? But if that's the only reason, then I'm definitely turning it off as of little to no use. Mary On 12/6/2017 4:43 PM, Gene wrote:
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Gene
I don't know why having multiple links read on a
line if that is how they are presented on screen is the default. But
having links read on their own line should be the default because that is the
one that would generally be used and because new NVDA users and inexperienced
Windows users won't even know there is such a setting so it should be set in the
way it would generally be used.
Gene
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i agree! It's a case of someone other than the user
trying to cram something down our throats because we should do things like a
sighted person does.
Andy
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Brian's Mail list account
Use screen layout. Is this not what you turn off?
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From: "Don H" <lmddh50@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2017 12:25 AM Subject: [nvda] links on single line I am running NVDA 2017-4 on a Win 10 64 bit machine. I have a web site where there are multiple links on a single line thus NVDA reads them together. If my memory is right there is a way to get NVDA to read this multi link lines as if each link was separate. Looked everywhere but can't find it.
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Clare Page <clare.page@...>
Hi! I always keep Preserve Screen layout on, not because I have sighted people looking at my screen, but because I don’t see any need to move between links with up and down arrows, when that can easily be done with the Tab key or the quick navigation keys k and shift+k, or even using links in the elements list. Throughout my ten years of using JAWS there was no choice in the matter, there was no toggle, but with NVDA I’m glad we have a choice, between what seems to me to be a more accurate view of the website and one which is simply there because other screenreaders have it, so many blind people feel it is normal or convenient. It’s possible that my view is a minority one in the blind community, but maybe I’m not the only one who finds nothing wrong with preserving screen layout in web browsers. That’s why I like the toggle in NVDA: those who want to arrow through links still have that option, but we’re not stuck with one or the other; Bye for now! From Clare
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: jeudi 7 décembre 2017 01:50 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] links on single line
This brings up the question of why preserving screen layout is a good idea. I mean, maybe that has to do with working with sighted colleagues? But if that's the only reason, then I'm definitely turning it off as of little to no use.
Mary
On 12/6/2017 4:43 PM, Gene wrote:
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Chris
I am with you clare, 100% 😃
From: Clare Page
Sent: 07 December 2017 14:02 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] links on single line
Hi! I always keep Preserve Screen layout on, not because I have sighted people looking at my screen, but because I don’t see any need to move between links with up and down arrows, when that can easily be done with the Tab key or the quick navigation keys k and shift+k, or even using links in the elements list. Throughout my ten years of using JAWS there was no choice in the matter, there was no toggle, but with NVDA I’m glad we have a choice, between what seems to me to be a more accurate view of the website and one which is simply there because other screenreaders have it, so many blind people feel it is normal or convenient. It’s possible that my view is a minority one in the blind community, but maybe I’m not the only one who finds nothing wrong with preserving screen layout in web browsers. That’s why I like the toggle in NVDA: those who want to arrow through links still have that option, but we’re not stuck with one or the other; Bye for now! From Clare
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
This brings up the question of why preserving screen layout is a good idea. I mean, maybe that has to do with working with sighted colleagues? But if that's the only reason, then I'm definitely turning it off as of little to no use.
Mary
On 12/6/2017 4:43 PM, Gene wrote:
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Mary Otten
The toggle is great. But I agree with Gene that the default
should be set tnot to preserve screen layout For people coming
from other screen readers, that is just one more thing to get use
to. And after you've been using enough different systems over the
course of 2 or 3 decades, lessening the cognitive load in the
betinning is a big deal imho.
On 12/7/2017 6:02 AM, Clare Page wrote:
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Gene
There are times when it is beneficial to use the
arrow keys. There are times when there are small amounts of text between
links and you will miss them moving in all the ways you mention. And there
are times when there are two or three sentences between a lot of links such as
on many newspaper sites. When I look at the top news links on The New York
Times page, I often let use read to end to hear for part of that section to hear
the link, the headline, and the few senteences of text about the story that
follow the link.
At times, moving in other ways shows you convenient
ways to find things that you would miss otherwise. On the New York Times
home page, there is a button that says all. Links and text for the most
important stories are under this all button. If you only move by link, you
won't know this. I don't recall now how I found this button as the very
convenient and reliable landmark that it is, but it wasn't by moving just by
links.
Also, an important reason I said that preserve
screen layout shouldn't be on by default is for new or inexperienced Internet
users. I don't want a new or inexperienced user to worry about moving by
line or tabbing or in some other way while moving through links. I want
the new or inexperienced user to have as much uniformity as possible.
Defaults are not set for experienced users. If they were, no screen-reader
would have their speech set nearly as slowly as it is. Why is this rule
not followed with the screen layout setting?
Also, I'm quite sure I saw a similar setting choice
in JAWS. I don't recall if I checked in Window-eyes.
Gene
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I am with you clare, 100% 😃
From: Clare
Page
Hi! I always keep Preserve Screen layout on, not because I have sighted people looking at my screen, but because I don’t see any need to move between links with up and down arrows, when that can easily be done with the Tab key or the quick navigation keys k and shift+k, or even using links in the elements list. Throughout my ten years of using JAWS there was no choice in the matter, there was no toggle, but with NVDA I’m glad we have a choice, between what seems to me to be a more accurate view of the website and one which is simply there because other screenreaders have it, so many blind people feel it is normal or convenient. It’s possible that my view is a minority one in the blind community, but maybe I’m not the only one who finds nothing wrong with preserving screen layout in web browsers. That’s why I like the toggle in NVDA: those who want to arrow through links still have that option, but we’re not stuck with one or the other; Bye for now! From Clare
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nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mary
Otten
This brings up the question of why preserving screen layout is a good idea. I mean, maybe that has to do with working with sighted colleagues? But if that's the only reason, then I'm definitely turning it off as of little to no use.
Mary
On 12/6/2017 4:43 PM, Gene wrote:
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hi gene.
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i am completely agree with you. while i use internet for more than 3years, i did not learn screen layout and i only use simple layout. whats the advantages of screen layout realy?
On 12/7/17, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
There are times when it is beneficial to use the arrow keys. There are --
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Gene
What I've seen others say is that when dealing with
Internet discussion forums, using screen layout presents information you can
look at in a much more logical way.
Gene
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i am completely agree with you. while i use internet for more than 3years, i did not learn screen layout and i only use simple layout. whats the advantages of screen layout realy? On 12/7/17, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote: > There are times when it is beneficial to use the arrow keys. There are > times when there are small amounts of text between links and you will miss > them moving in all the ways you mention. And there are times when there are > two or three sentences between a lot of links such as on many newspaper > sites. When I look at the top news links on The New York Times page, I > often let use read to end to hear for part of that section to hear the link, > the headline, and the few senteences of text about the story that follow the > link. > At times, moving in other ways shows you convenient ways to find things that > you would miss otherwise. On the New York Times home page, there is a > button that says all. Links and text for the most important stories are > under this all button. If you only move by link, you won't know this. I > don't recall now how I found this button as the very convenient and reliable > landmark that it is, but it wasn't by moving just by links. > > Also, an important reason I said that preserve screen layout shouldn't be on > by default is for new or inexperienced Internet users. I don't want a new > or inexperienced user to worry about moving by line or tabbing or in some > other way while moving through links. I want the new or inexperienced user > to have as much uniformity as possible. Defaults are not set for > experienced users. If they were, no screen-reader would have their speech > set nearly as slowly as it is. Why is this rule not followed with the > screen layout setting? > > Also, I'm quite sure I saw a similar setting choice in JAWS. I don't recall > if I checked in Window-eyes. > Gene > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Chris > Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2017 8:52 AM > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io > Subject: Re: [nvda] links on single line > > > I am with you clare, 100% 😃 > > > > > > From: Clare Page > Sent: 07 December 2017 14:02 > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io > Subject: Re: [nvda] links on single line > > > > Hi! > > I always keep Preserve Screen layout on, not because I have sighted people > looking at my screen, but because I don’t see any need to move between links > with up and down arrows, when that can easily be done with the Tab key or > the quick navigation keys k and shift+k, or even using links in the > elements list. > > Throughout my ten years of using JAWS there was no choice in the matter, > there was no toggle, but with NVDA I’m glad we have a choice, between what > seems to me to be a more accurate view of the website and one which is > simply there because other screenreaders have it, so many blind people feel > it is normal or convenient. > > It’s possible that my view is a minority one in the blind community, but > maybe I’m not the only one who finds nothing wrong with preserving screen > layout in web browsers. That’s why I like the toggle in NVDA: those who want > to arrow through links still have that option, but we’re not stuck with one > or the other; > > Bye for now! > > From Clare > > > > From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mary > Otten > Sent: jeudi 7 décembre 2017 01:50 > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io > Subject: Re: [nvda] links on single line > > > > This brings up the question of why preserving screen layout is a good idea. > I mean, maybe that has to do with working with sighted colleagues? But if > that's the only reason, then I'm definitely turning it off as of little to > no use. > > > > Mary > > > > On 12/6/2017 4:43 PM, Gene wrote: > > Just one more example of why having links read each link on a separate > line should be the default, as I said two or three days ago. The feature is > in browse mode settings. It's a check box that says use screen layout, if > supported. Uncheck this box and activate the ok button. > > > > Gene > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Don H > > Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2017 6:25 PM > > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io > > Subject: [nvda] links on single line > > > > I am running NVDA 2017-4 on a Win 10 64 bit machine. I have a web site > where there are multiple links on a single line thus NVDA reads them > together. If my memory is right there is a way to get NVDA to read this > multi link lines as if each link was separate. Looked everywhere but > can't find it. > Thanks a > > > > > > > > > -- we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation. holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107. in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is: indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation. best website for studying islamic book in different languages www.al-islam.org
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hi,
1. screen layout is enable sometimes causes a broken component,
because the cut off may not be the ideal relationship.
2. Use the actual configuration can be used in your familiar web
page under the arrow keys to quickly move to the next block.
3. Web site testing, we hope that the layout of the site itself
in line with accessibility design, Mary Otten 於 2017/12/7 上午 08:49 寫道:
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