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Dear global NVDA community, After reading recent threads on various NVDA lists and looking at some tweets, I find myself asking if I should do it again: record the 2018 edition of the popular “Welcome to NVDA” tutorials set. The thing is, there are more superb tutorials out now, including NV Access’s own Basic Training module. I do understand that many folks have come to know NVDA through my tutorials and some tutorials used mine as a reference or a guide. For reference, the 2015 edition of this tutorials set can be found at: http://www.josephsl.net/tutorials If the community says I should record the 2018 edition, it’ll be done with some conditions: - The tutorial will be based on a combination of 2017.4 and latest snapshot features.
- I’ll be using Windows 10 Version 1709 (Fall Creators Update).
- I will not ask for payment for this set; if you insist on paying me, I’d rather ask you to donate to NV Access.
- If possible, I’ll come up with a text transcript and a way for folks to provide edits via pull requests on GitHub.
- I’ll be moving away from Internet Explorer for browse mode demonstrations, opting for Firefox and Microsoft Edge.
Below is a list of changes between 2015 and 2018 editions provided you say I should do it: - I’ll be using Windows OneCore voices for most speech demos.
- Chapter 1 (Intro) will be expanded and re-recorded to improve recording quality, as well as adding additional information such as command line switches to start a portable copy after creating one and a note on Controlled Folder Access.
- Chapter 2 (Basics) will go over more touchscreen possibilities, some command changes (including copying the contents of status bars) and others.
- Chapter 3 (Objects and object navigation) will feature new examples, especially more universal app examples.
- Chapter 4 (Browsing the web) will feature reading PDF documents with Microsoft Edge, turning off single letter navigation commands on the fly and elements list improvements.
- Chapter 5 (Apps) will feature new and updated examples.
- Chapters 6 and 7 (Configuration) will feature new settings, including Windows 10 OCR and many others.
- Chapter 8 (tools) will feature content recognition.
- Chapter 9 (Add-ons) will feature new and updated examples, including Remote Support add-on.
- Addenda may include a word on ARM64 support, development snapshots and what not.
Comments are appreciated. Cheers, Joseph
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Hi Joseph,
In a word, yes. In two words, yes please. Smile. Up-to-date examples and examples looking forward with the latest technology I think would be useful. As a new NVDA user, I would find particularly useful.
Mary
On Dec 9, 2017, at 8:53 AM, Joseph Lee < joseph.lee22590@...> wrote: Dear global NVDA community, After reading recent threads on various NVDA lists and looking at some tweets, I find myself asking if I should do it again: record the 2018 edition of the popular “Welcome to NVDA” tutorials set. The thing is, there are more superb tutorials out now, including NV Access’s own Basic Training module. I do understand that many folks have come to know NVDA through my tutorials and some tutorials used mine as a reference or a guide. For reference, the 2015 edition of this tutorials set can be found at: http://www.josephsl.net/tutorials If the community says I should record the 2018 edition, it’ll be done with some conditions: - The tutorial will be based on a combination of 2017.4 and latest snapshot features.
- I’ll be using Windows 10 Version 1709 (Fall Creators Update).
- I will not ask for payment for this set; if you insist on paying me, I’d rather ask you to donate to NV Access.
- If possible, I’ll come up with a text transcript and a way for folks to provide edits via pull requests on GitHub.
- I’ll be moving away from Internet Explorer for browse mode demonstrations, opting for Firefox and Microsoft Edge.
Below is a list of changes between 2015 and 2018 editions provided you say I should do it: - I’ll be using Windows OneCore voices for most speech demos.
- Chapter 1 (Intro) will be expanded and re-recorded to improve recording quality, as well as adding additional information such as command line switches to start a portable copy after creating one and a note on Controlled Folder Access.
- Chapter 2 (Basics) will go over more touchscreen possibilities, some command changes (including copying the contents of status bars) and others.
- Chapter 3 (Objects and object navigation) will feature new examples, especially more universal app examples.
- Chapter 4 (Browsing the web) will feature reading PDF documents with Microsoft Edge, turning off single letter navigation commands on the fly and elements list improvements.
- Chapter 5 (Apps) will feature new and updated examples.
- Chapters 6 and 7 (Configuration) will feature new settings, including Windows 10 OCR and many others.
- Chapter 8 (tools) will feature content recognition.
- Chapter 9 (Add-ons) will feature new and updated examples, including Remote Support add-on.
- Addenda may include a word on ARM64 support, development snapshots and what not.
Comments are appreciated. Cheers, Joseph
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hello joseph.
your tutorial and posts to the list are very great.
i remember my first experience using nvda with farsi translated of
your tutorial for nvda 2013
it was very great and helped me in many ways.
i realy wish that have your english tutorial and appreciate your help.
i sincerely pray for you every day and request divine infinite mercy
and special blessings for you!
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On 12/9/17, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> wrote: Dear global NVDA community,
After reading recent threads on various NVDA lists and looking at some
tweets, I find myself asking if I should do it again: record the 2018
edition of the popular "Welcome to NVDA" tutorials set. The thing is, there
are more superb tutorials out now, including NV Access's own Basic Training
module. I do understand that many folks have come to know NVDA through my
tutorials and some tutorials used mine as a reference or a guide.
For reference, the 2015 edition of this tutorials set can be found at:
http://www.josephsl.net/tutorials
If the community says I should record the 2018 edition, it'll be done with
some conditions:
* The tutorial will be based on a combination of 2017.4 and latest
snapshot features.
* I'll be using Windows 10 Version 1709 (Fall Creators Update).
* I will not ask for payment for this set; if you insist on paying me,
I'd rather ask you to donate to NV Access.
* If possible, I'll come up with a text transcript and a way for folks
to provide edits via pull requests on GitHub.
* I'll be moving away from Internet Explorer for browse mode
demonstrations, opting for Firefox and Microsoft Edge.
Below is a list of changes between 2015 and 2018 editions provided you say
I
should do it:
* I'll be using Windows OneCore voices for most speech demos.
* Chapter 1 (Intro) will be expanded and re-recorded to improve
recording quality, as well as adding additional information such as command
line switches to start a portable copy after creating one and a note on
Controlled Folder Access.
* Chapter 2 (Basics) will go over more touchscreen possibilities, some
command changes (including copying the contents of status bars) and others.
* Chapter 3 (Objects and object navigation) will feature new examples,
especially more universal app examples.
* Chapter 4 (Browsing the web) will feature reading PDF documents with
Microsoft Edge, turning off single letter navigation commands on the fly
and
elements list improvements.
* Chapter 5 (Apps) will feature new and updated examples.
* Chapters 6 and 7 (Configuration) will feature new settings,
including Windows 10 OCR and many others.
* Chapter 8 (tools) will feature content recognition.
* Chapter 9 (Add-ons) will feature new and updated examples, including
Remote Support add-on.
* Addenda may include a word on ARM64 support, development snapshots
and what not.
Comments are appreciated.
Cheers,
Joseph
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holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
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I say, go for it. give updates. Please and thank you.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: December-09-17 8:59 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Request for comments: Should I record 2018 edition of Welcome to NVDA tutorials set? Hi Joseph,
In a word, yes. In two words, yes please. Smile. Up-to-date examples and examples looking forward with the latest technology I think would be useful. As a new NVDA user, I would find particularly useful.
Mary Dear global NVDA community, After reading recent threads on various NVDA lists and looking at some tweets, I find myself asking if I should do it again: record the 2018 edition of the popular “Welcome to NVDA” tutorials set. The thing is, there are more superb tutorials out now, including NV Access’s own Basic Training module. I do understand that many folks have come to know NVDA through my tutorials and some tutorials used mine as a reference or a guide. For reference, the 2015 edition of this tutorials set can be found at: http://www.josephsl.net/tutorials If the community says I should record the 2018 edition, it’ll be done with some conditions: - The tutorial will be based on a combination of 2017.4 and latest snapshot features.
- I’ll be using Windows 10 Version 1709 (Fall Creators Update).
- I will not ask for payment for this set; if you insist on paying me, I’d rather ask you to donate to NV Access.
- If possible, I’ll come up with a text transcript and a way for folks to provide edits via pull requests on GitHub.
- I’ll be moving away from Internet Explorer for browse mode demonstrations, opting for Firefox and Microsoft Edge.
Below is a list of changes between 2015 and 2018 editions provided you say I should do it: - I’ll be using Windows OneCore voices for most speech demos.
- Chapter 1 (Intro) will be expanded and re-recorded to improve recording quality, as well as adding additional information such as command line switches to start a portable copy after creating one and a note on Controlled Folder Access.
- Chapter 2 (Basics) will go over more touchscreen possibilities, some command changes (including copying the contents of status bars) and others.
- Chapter 3 (Objects and object navigation) will feature new examples, especially more universal app examples.
- Chapter 4 (Browsing the web) will feature reading PDF documents with Microsoft Edge, turning off single letter navigation commands on the fly and elements list improvements.
- Chapter 5 (Apps) will feature new and updated examples.
- Chapters 6 and 7 (Configuration) will feature new settings, including Windows 10 OCR and many others.
- Chapter 8 (tools) will feature content recognition.
- Chapter 9 (Add-ons) will feature new and updated examples, including Remote Support add-on.
- Addenda may include a word on ARM64 support, development snapshots and what not.
Comments are appreciated. Cheers, Joseph
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Yes yes go right ahead! Technology, especially in terms of
computers, in 3 years evolves! So yes looking forward to when it's
ready!
El 09/12/2017 a las 11:25 a.m., Arlene
escribió:
I say, go for
it. give updates. Please and thank you.
Hi Joseph,
In a word, yes. In two words, yes please. Smile. Up-to-date
examples and examples looking forward with the latest
technology I think would be useful. As a new NVDA user, I
would find particularly useful.
Mary
Dear global NVDA community,
After reading recent threads on
various NVDA lists and looking at some tweets, I find
myself asking if I should do it again: record the 2018
edition of the popular “Welcome to NVDA” tutorials set.
The thing is, there are more superb tutorials out now,
including NV Access’s own Basic Training module. I do
understand that many folks have come to know NVDA
through my tutorials and some tutorials used mine as a
reference or a guide.
For reference, the 2015 edition of
this tutorials set can be found at:
http://www.josephsl.net/tutorials
If the community says I should record
the 2018 edition, it’ll be done with some conditions:
- The
tutorial will be based on a combination of 2017.4 and
latest snapshot features.
- I’ll
be using Windows 10 Version 1709 (Fall Creators
Update).
- I
will not ask for payment for this set; if you insist
on paying me, I’d rather ask you to donate to NV
Access.
- If
possible, I’ll come up with a text transcript and a
way for folks to provide edits via pull requests on
GitHub.
- I’ll
be moving away from Internet Explorer for browse mode
demonstrations, opting for Firefox and Microsoft Edge.
Below is a list of changes between
2015 and 2018 editions provided you say I should do it:
- I’ll
be using Windows OneCore voices for most speech demos.
- Chapter
1 (Intro) will be expanded and re-recorded to improve
recording quality, as well as adding additional
information such as command line switches to start a
portable copy after creating one and a note on
Controlled Folder Access.
- Chapter
2 (Basics) will go over more touchscreen
possibilities, some command changes (including copying
the contents of status bars) and others.
- Chapter
3 (Objects and object navigation) will feature new
examples, especially more universal app examples.
- Chapter
4 (Browsing the web) will feature reading PDF
documents with Microsoft Edge, turning off single
letter navigation commands on the fly and elements
list improvements.
- Chapter
5 (Apps) will feature new and updated examples.
- Chapters
6 and 7 (Configuration) will feature new settings,
including Windows 10 OCR and many others.
- Chapter
8 (tools) will feature content recognition.
- Chapter
9 (Add-ons) will feature new and updated examples,
including Remote Support add-on.
- Addenda
may include a word on ARM64 support, development
snapshots and what not.
Comments are appreciated.
Cheers,
Joseph
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Enviado desde Thunderbird
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I think it would be a great idea. It is always better to think before you reply!
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On Dec 9, 2017, at 10:53 AM, Joseph Lee < joseph.lee22590@...> wrote: Dear global NVDA community, After reading recent threads on various NVDA lists and looking at some tweets, I find myself asking if I should do it again: record the 2018 edition of the popular “Welcome to NVDA” tutorials set. The thing is, there are more superb tutorials out now, including NV Access’s own Basic Training module. I do understand that many folks have come to know NVDA through my tutorials and some tutorials used mine as a reference or a guide. For reference, the 2015 edition of this tutorials set can be found at: http://www.josephsl.net/tutorials If the community says I should record the 2018 edition, it’ll be done with some conditions: - The tutorial will be based on a combination of 2017.4 and latest snapshot features.
- I’ll be using Windows 10 Version 1709 (Fall Creators Update).
- I will not ask for payment for this set; if you insist on paying me, I’d rather ask you to donate to NV Access.
- If possible, I’ll come up with a text transcript and a way for folks to provide edits via pull requests on GitHub.
- I’ll be moving away from Internet Explorer for browse mode demonstrations, opting for Firefox and Microsoft Edge.
Below is a list of changes between 2015 and 2018 editions provided you say I should do it: - I’ll be using Windows OneCore voices for most speech demos.
- Chapter 1 (Intro) will be expanded and re-recorded to improve recording quality, as well as adding additional information such as command line switches to start a portable copy after creating one and a note on Controlled Folder Access.
- Chapter 2 (Basics) will go over more touchscreen possibilities, some command changes (including copying the contents of status bars) and others.
- Chapter 3 (Objects and object navigation) will feature new examples, especially more universal app examples.
- Chapter 4 (Browsing the web) will feature reading PDF documents with Microsoft Edge, turning off single letter navigation commands on the fly and elements list improvements.
- Chapter 5 (Apps) will feature new and updated examples.
- Chapters 6 and 7 (Configuration) will feature new settings, including Windows 10 OCR and many others.
- Chapter 8 (tools) will feature content recognition.
- Chapter 9 (Add-ons) will feature new and updated examples, including Remote Support add-on.
- Addenda may include a word on ARM64 support, development snapshots and what not.
Comments are appreciated. Cheers, Joseph
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Hello Joseph. I say, go for it! You rock!
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2017 8:54 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Request for comments: Should I record 2018 edition of Welcome to NVDA tutorials set? Dear global NVDA community, After reading recent threads on various NVDA lists and looking at some tweets, I find myself asking if I should do it again: record the 2018 edition of the popular “Welcome to NVDA” tutorials set. The thing is, there are more superb tutorials out now, including NV Access’s own Basic Training module. I do understand that many folks have come to know NVDA through my tutorials and some tutorials used mine as a reference or a guide. For reference, the 2015 edition of this tutorials set can be found at: http://www.josephsl.net/tutorials If the community says I should record the 2018 edition, it’ll be done with some conditions: - The tutorial will be based on a combination of 2017.4 and latest snapshot features.
- I’ll be using Windows 10 Version 1709 (Fall Creators Update).
- I will not ask for payment for this set; if you insist on paying me, I’d rather ask you to donate to NV Access.
- If possible, I’ll come up with a text transcript and a way for folks to provide edits via pull requests on GitHub.
- I’ll be moving away from Internet Explorer for browse mode demonstrations, opting for Firefox and Microsoft Edge.
Below is a list of changes between 2015 and 2018 editions provided you say I should do it: - I’ll be using Windows OneCore voices for most speech demos.
- Chapter 1 (Intro) will be expanded and re-recorded to improve recording quality, as well as adding additional information such as command line switches to start a portable copy after creating one and a note on Controlled Folder Access.
- Chapter 2 (Basics) will go over more touchscreen possibilities, some command changes (including copying the contents of status bars) and others.
- Chapter 3 (Objects and object navigation) will feature new examples, especially more universal app examples.
- Chapter 4 (Browsing the web) will feature reading PDF documents with Microsoft Edge, turning off single letter navigation commands on the fly and elements list improvements.
- Chapter 5 (Apps) will feature new and updated examples.
- Chapters 6 and 7 (Configuration) will feature new settings, including Windows 10 OCR and many others.
- Chapter 8 (tools) will feature content recognition.
- Chapter 9 (Add-ons) will feature new and updated examples, including Remote Support add-on.
- Addenda may include a word on ARM64 support, development snapshots and what not.
Comments are appreciated. Cheers, Joseph
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Hi,
Please do it: I am starting to love nvda; it works great on Windows 10.
Thank you so much for what you do.
Angela from Italy
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Il 09/12/2017 17:53, Joseph Lee ha scritto: Dear global NVDA community,
After reading recent threads on various NVDA lists and looking at some
tweets, I find myself asking if I should do it again: record the 2018
edition of the popular "Welcome to NVDA" tutorials set. The thing is, there
are more superb tutorials out now, including NV Access's own Basic Training
module. I do understand that many folks have come to know NVDA through my
tutorials and some tutorials used mine as a reference or a guide.
For reference, the 2015 edition of this tutorials set can be found at:
http://www.josephsl.net/tutorials
If the community says I should record the 2018 edition, it'll be done with
some conditions:
* The tutorial will be based on a combination of 2017.4 and latest
snapshot features.
* I'll be using Windows 10 Version 1709 (Fall Creators Update).
* I will not ask for payment for this set; if you insist on paying me,
I'd rather ask you to donate to NV Access.
* If possible, I'll come up with a text transcript and a way for folks
to provide edits via pull requests on GitHub.
* I'll be moving away from Internet Explorer for browse mode
demonstrations, opting for Firefox and Microsoft Edge.
Below is a list of changes between 2015 and 2018 editions provided you say I
should do it:
* I'll be using Windows OneCore voices for most speech demos.
* Chapter 1 (Intro) will be expanded and re-recorded to improve
recording quality, as well as adding additional information such as command
line switches to start a portable copy after creating one and a note on
Controlled Folder Access.
* Chapter 2 (Basics) will go over more touchscreen possibilities, some
command changes (including copying the contents of status bars) and others.
* Chapter 3 (Objects and object navigation) will feature new examples,
especially more universal app examples.
* Chapter 4 (Browsing the web) will feature reading PDF documents with
Microsoft Edge, turning off single letter navigation commands on the fly and
elements list improvements.
* Chapter 5 (Apps) will feature new and updated examples.
* Chapters 6 and 7 (Configuration) will feature new settings,
including Windows 10 OCR and many others.
* Chapter 8 (tools) will feature content recognition.
* Chapter 9 (Add-ons) will feature new and updated examples, including
Remote Support add-on.
* Addenda may include a word on ARM64 support, development snapshots
and what not.
Comments are appreciated.
Cheers,
Joseph
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Yes, please! Your work is appreciated by many. The
comments over the years have more than validated that. Updating the tutorials
would be an awesome gesture as long as your life and time permit.
Travis
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2017 9:53 AM
Subject: [nvda] Request for comments: Should I record 2018 edition
of Welcome to NVDA tutorials set?
Dear global NVDA community,
After reading recent threads on various NVDA lists and
looking at some tweets, I find myself asking if I should do it again: record the
2018 edition of the popular “Welcome to NVDA” tutorials set. The thing is, there
are more superb tutorials out now, including NV Access’s own Basic Training
module. I do understand that many folks have come to know NVDA through my
tutorials and some tutorials used mine as a reference or a guide.
For reference, the 2015 edition of this tutorials set can be
found at:
http://www.josephsl.net/tutorials
If the community says I should record the 2018 edition, it’ll
be done with some conditions:
- The tutorial will be based
on a combination of 2017.4 and latest snapshot features.
- I’ll be using Windows 10
Version 1709 (Fall Creators Update).
- I will not ask for payment
for this set; if you insist on paying me, I’d rather ask you to donate to NV
Access.
- If possible, I’ll come up
with a text transcript and a way for folks to provide edits via pull requests
on GitHub.
- I’ll be moving away from
Internet Explorer for browse mode demonstrations, opting for Firefox and
Microsoft Edge.
Below is a list of changes between 2015 and 2018 editions
provided you say I should do it:
- I’ll be using Windows
OneCore voices for most speech demos.
- Chapter 1 (Intro) will be
expanded and re-recorded to improve recording quality, as well as adding
additional information such as command line switches to start a portable copy
after creating one and a note on Controlled Folder Access.
- Chapter 2 (Basics) will go
over more touchscreen possibilities, some command changes (including copying
the contents of status bars) and others.
- Chapter 3 (Objects and
object navigation) will feature new examples, especially more universal app
examples.
- Chapter 4 (Browsing the
web) will feature reading PDF documents with Microsoft Edge, turning off
single letter navigation commands on the fly and elements list
improvements.
- Chapter 5 (Apps) will
feature new and updated examples.
- Chapters 6 and 7
(Configuration) will feature new settings, including Windows 10 OCR and many
others.
- Chapter 8 (tools) will
feature content recognition.
- Chapter 9 (Add-ons) will
feature new and updated examples, including Remote Support add-on.
- Addenda may include a word
on ARM64 support, development snapshots and what not.
Comments are appreciated.
Cheers,
Joseph
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Yes, even I would appreciate the universal apps and tools sections. Devin Prater Assistive Technology instructor in training, JAWS Sertified.
On Dec 9, 2017, at 12:19 PM, Kwork < istherelife@...> wrote:
Yes, please! Your work is appreciated by many. The
comments over the years have more than validated that. Updating the tutorials
would be an awesome gesture as long as your life and time permit.
Travis
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2017 9:53 AM
Subject: [nvda] Request for comments: Should I record 2018 edition
of Welcome to NVDA tutorials set?
Dear global NVDA community,
After reading recent threads on various NVDA lists and
looking at some tweets, I find myself asking if I should do it again: record the
2018 edition of the popular “Welcome to NVDA” tutorials set. The thing is, there
are more superb tutorials out now, including NV Access’s own Basic Training
module. I do understand that many folks have come to know NVDA through my
tutorials and some tutorials used mine as a reference or a guide.
For reference, the 2015 edition of this tutorials set can be
found at:
http://www.josephsl.net/tutorials
If the community says I should record the 2018 edition, it’ll
be done with some conditions:
- The tutorial will be based
on a combination of 2017.4 and latest snapshot features.
- I’ll be using Windows 10
Version 1709 (Fall Creators Update).
- I will not ask for payment
for this set; if you insist on paying me, I’d rather ask you to donate to NV
Access.
- If possible, I’ll come up
with a text transcript and a way for folks to provide edits via pull requests
on GitHub.
- I’ll be moving away from
Internet Explorer for browse mode demonstrations, opting for Firefox and
Microsoft Edge.
Below is a list of changes between 2015 and 2018 editions
provided you say I should do it:
- I’ll be using Windows
OneCore voices for most speech demos.
- Chapter 1 (Intro) will be
expanded and re-recorded to improve recording quality, as well as adding
additional information such as command line switches to start a portable copy
after creating one and a note on Controlled Folder Access.
- Chapter 2 (Basics) will go
over more touchscreen possibilities, some command changes (including copying
the contents of status bars) and others.
- Chapter 3 (Objects and
object navigation) will feature new examples, especially more universal app
examples.
- Chapter 4 (Browsing the
web) will feature reading PDF documents with Microsoft Edge, turning off
single letter navigation commands on the fly and elements list
improvements.
- Chapter 5 (Apps) will
feature new and updated examples.
- Chapters 6 and 7
(Configuration) will feature new settings, including Windows 10 OCR and many
others.
- Chapter 8 (tools) will
feature content recognition.
- Chapter 9 (Add-ons) will
feature new and updated examples, including Remote Support add-on.
- Addenda may include a word
on ARM64 support, development snapshots and what not.
Comments are appreciated.
Cheers,
Joseph
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I would say yes! NVDA and many add ons
have either been changed quite a bit or some features and add ons
probably didn't even exists back then. And I could always use a
refresher course on what I think I already know! There may be a
few things I'm missing!
:-)
Thanks much!
Roger
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On 12/9/2017 10:53 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Dear global NVDA community,
After reading recent threads on various
NVDA lists and looking at some tweets, I find myself asking if
I should do it again: record the 2018 edition of the popular
“Welcome to NVDA” tutorials set. The thing is, there are more
superb tutorials out now, including NV Access’s own Basic
Training module. I do understand that many folks have come to
know NVDA through my tutorials and some tutorials used mine as
a reference or a guide.
For reference, the 2015 edition of this
tutorials set can be found at:
http://www.josephsl.net/tutorials
If the community says I should record the
2018 edition, it’ll be done with some conditions:
- The tutorial
will be based on a combination of 2017.4 and latest snapshot
features.
- I’ll be
using Windows 10 Version 1709 (Fall Creators Update).
- I will not
ask for payment for this set; if you insist on paying me,
I’d rather ask you to donate to NV Access.
- If possible,
I’ll come up with a text transcript and a way for folks to
provide edits via pull requests on GitHub.
- I’ll be
moving away from Internet Explorer for browse mode
demonstrations, opting for Firefox and Microsoft Edge.
Below is a list of changes between 2015 and
2018 editions provided you say I should do it:
- I’ll be
using Windows OneCore voices for most speech demos.
- Chapter 1
(Intro) will be expanded and re-recorded to improve
recording quality, as well as adding additional information
such as command line switches to start a portable copy after
creating one and a note on Controlled Folder Access.
- Chapter 2
(Basics) will go over more touchscreen possibilities, some
command changes (including copying the contents of status
bars) and others.
- Chapter 3
(Objects and object navigation) will feature new examples,
especially more universal app examples.
- Chapter 4
(Browsing the web) will feature reading PDF documents with
Microsoft Edge, turning off single letter navigation
commands on the fly and elements list improvements.
- Chapter 5
(Apps) will feature new and updated examples.
- Chapters 6
and 7 (Configuration) will feature new settings, including
Windows 10 OCR and many others.
- Chapter 8
(tools) will feature content recognition.
- Chapter 9
(Add-ons) will feature new and updated examples, including
Remote Support add-on.
- Addenda may
include a word on ARM64 support, development snapshots and
what not.
Comments are appreciated.
Cheers,
Joseph
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Hello Joseph:
For those of us who have hearing impairment will there be an
accessible text version of the tutorial?
There are certain voices that when they pronounce certain
words/phrases I have trouble understanding the spoken
words/phrases!
They still have not come up with a hearing aid that will
adjust itself to different voice cadences.
Thank You! For all the help that you provide to us NVDA users
on a daily basis!!!
On 12/9/2017 8:53 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Dear global NVDA community,
After reading recent threads on various
NVDA lists and looking at some tweets, I find myself asking if
I should do it again: record the 2018 edition of the popular
“Welcome to NVDA” tutorials set. The thing is, there are more
superb tutorials out now, including NV Access’s own Basic
Training module. I do understand that many folks have come to
know NVDA through my tutorials and some tutorials used mine as
a reference or a guide.
For reference, the 2015 edition of this
tutorials set can be found at:
http://www.josephsl.net/tutorials
If the community says I should record the
2018 edition, it’ll be done with some conditions:
- The tutorial will be based on a
combination of 2017.4 and latest snapshot features.
- I’ll be using Windows 10 Version
1709 (Fall Creators Update).
- I will not ask for payment for
this set; if you insist on paying me, I’d rather ask you to
donate to NV Access.
- If possible, I’ll come up with a
text transcript and a way for folks to provide edits via
pull requests on GitHub.
- I’ll be moving away from Internet
Explorer for browse mode demonstrations, opting for Firefox
and Microsoft Edge.
Below is a list of changes between 2015 and
2018 editions provided you say I should do it:
- I’ll be using Windows OneCore
voices for most speech demos.
- Chapter 1 (Intro) will be
expanded and re-recorded to improve recording quality, as
well as adding additional information such as command line
switches to start a portable copy after creating one and a
note on Controlled Folder Access.
- Chapter 2 (Basics) will go over
more touchscreen possibilities, some command changes
(including copying the contents of status bars) and others.
- Chapter 3 (Objects and object
navigation) will feature new examples, especially more
universal app examples.
- Chapter 4 (Browsing the web) will
feature reading PDF documents with Microsoft Edge, turning
off single letter navigation commands on the fly and
elements list improvements.
- Chapter 5 (Apps) will feature new
and updated examples.
- Chapters 6 and 7 (Configuration)
will feature new settings, including Windows 10 OCR and many
others.
- Chapter 8 (tools) will feature
content recognition.
- Chapter 9 (Add-ons) will feature
new and updated examples, including Remote Support add-on.
- Addenda may include a word on
ARM64 support, development snapshots and what not.
Comments are appreciated.
Cheers,
Joseph
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Joseph, I'd surely appreciate it. I'm currently listening to the one you listed below and windows has changed considerably since. Thank You.
On 12/9/2017 8:53 AM, Joseph Lee wrote
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Dear global NVDA community,
After reading recent threads on various NVDA lists and looking at some tweets, I find myself asking if I should do it again: record the 2018 edition of the popular �Welcome to NVDA� tutorials set. The thing is, there are more superb tutorials out now, including NV Access�s own Basic Training module. I do understand that many folks have come to know NVDA through my tutorials and some tutorials used mine as a reference or a guide.
For reference, the 2015 edition of this tutorials set can be found at:
http://www.josephsl.net/tutorials
If the community says I should record the 2018 edition, it�ll be done with some conditions:
* The tutorial will be based on a combination of 2017.4 and latest
snapshot features.
* I�ll be using Windows 10 Version 1709 (Fall Creators Update).
* I will not ask for payment for this set; if you insist on paying me,
I�d rather ask you to donate to NV Access.
* If possible, I�ll come up with a text transcript and a way for folks
to provide edits via pull requests on GitHub.
* I�ll be moving away from Internet Explorer for browse mode
demonstrations, opting for Firefox and Microsoft Edge.
Below is a list of changes between 2015 and 2018 editions provided you say I should do it:
* I�ll be using Windows OneCore voices for most speech demos.
* Chapter 1 (Intro) will be expanded and re-recorded to improve
recording quality, as well as adding additional information such as
command line switches to start a portable copy after creating one
and a note on Controlled Folder Access.
* Chapter 2 (Basics) will go over more touchscreen possibilities, some
command changes (including copying the contents of status bars) and
others.
* Chapter 3 (Objects and object navigation) will feature new examples,
especially more universal app examples.
* Chapter 4 (Browsing the web) will feature reading PDF documents with
Microsoft Edge, turning off single letter navigation commands on the
fly and elements list improvements.
* Chapter 5 (Apps) will feature new and updated examples.
* Chapters 6 and 7 (Configuration) will feature new settings,
including Windows 10 OCR and many others.
* Chapter 8 (tools) will feature content recognition.
* Chapter 9 (Add-ons) will feature new and updated examples, including
Remote Support add-on.
* Addenda may include a word on ARM64 support, development snapshots
and what not.
Comments are appreciated.
Cheers,
Joseph
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From: Joseph LeYes, please do.
Sent: Saturday, December 9, 2017 11:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Request for comments: Should I record 2018 edition
of Welcome to NVDA tutorials set?
Dear global NVDA community,
After reading recent threads on various NVDA lists and
looking at some tweets, I find myself asking if I should do it again: record the
2018 edition of the popular “Welcome to NVDA” tutorials set. The thing is, there
are more superb tutorials out now, including NV Access’s own Basic Training
module. I do understand that many folks have come to know NVDA through my
tutorials and some tutorials used mine as a reference or a guide.
For reference, the 2015 edition of this tutorials set can be
found at:
http://www.josephsl.net/tutorials
If the community says I should record the 2018 edition, it’ll
be done with some conditions:
- The tutorial will be based
on a combination of 2017.4 and latest snapshot features.
- I’ll be using Windows 10
Version 1709 (Fall Creators Update).
- I will not ask for payment
for this set; if you insist on paying me, I’d rather ask you to donate to NV
Access.
- If possible, I’ll come up
with a text transcript and a way for folks to provide edits via pull requests
on GitHub.
- I’ll be moving away from
Internet Explorer for browse mode demonstrations, opting for Firefox and
Microsoft Edge.
Below is a list of changes between 2015 and 2018 editions
provided you say I should do it:
- I’ll be using Windows
OneCore voices for most speech demos.
- Chapter 1 (Intro) will be
expanded and re-recorded to improve recording quality, as well as adding
additional information such as command line switches to start a portable copy
after creating one and a note on Controlled Folder Access.
- Chapter 2 (Basics) will go
over more touchscreen possibilities, some command changes (including copying
the contents of status bars) and others.
- Chapter 3 (Objects and
object navigation) will feature new examples, especially more universal app
examples.
- Chapter 4 (Browsing the
web) will feature reading PDF documents with Microsoft Edge, turning off
single letter navigation commands on the fly and elements list
improvements.
- Chapter 5 (Apps) will
feature new and updated examples.
- Chapters 6 and 7
(Configuration) will feature new settings, including Windows 10 OCR and many
others.
- Chapter 8 (tools) will
feature content recognition.
- Chapter 9 (Add-ons) will
feature new and updated examples, including Remote Support add-on.
- Addenda may include a word
on ARM64 support, development snapshots and what not.
Comments are appreciated.
Cheers,
Joseph
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Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
OK, 1 make sure the voice is slow enough for new users. Most of the tutorials I hear on the internet are using voices running way too fast.
Next, I think that a little time needs to be spent in the snapshot tutorial about how to use Github without going bald. I am not that thick but I still find it cluttered and very hard to use.
Is Edge really any better for pdfs than Adobe? The big issue is as we all know the clueless people who compile them with no tagging of content reading order changes.
Firefox. Would you be using ESR or attempting to cover the new Quantum version which even when it can be made to function is still like a duck with a broken leg. OK in the water but tends to swim in circles a lot!
Also of course I know that you are about to embark in a major upgrade to nvda to use a version of Python better able to cope with newer systems, and this is bound to start throwing unexpected spanners into the air to fall who knows where for a while, so its a good time to get folk used to diagnosing and working around any problems by giving them a bit of a lesson in the logic to find where problems might be etc.
Just my few penneths worth.
Brian
bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
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briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2017 4:53 PM Subject: [nvda] Request for comments: Should I record 2018 edition of Welcome to NVDA tutorials set? Dear global NVDA community,
After reading recent threads on various NVDA lists and looking at some
tweets, I find myself asking if I should do it again: record the 2018
edition of the popular "Welcome to NVDA" tutorials set. The thing is, there
are more superb tutorials out now, including NV Access's own Basic Training
module. I do understand that many folks have come to know NVDA through my
tutorials and some tutorials used mine as a reference or a guide.
For reference, the 2015 edition of this tutorials set can be found at:
http://www.josephsl.net/tutorials
If the community says I should record the 2018 edition, it'll be done with
some conditions:
* The tutorial will be based on a combination of 2017.4 and latest
snapshot features.
* I'll be using Windows 10 Version 1709 (Fall Creators Update).
* I will not ask for payment for this set; if you insist on paying me,
I'd rather ask you to donate to NV Access.
* If possible, I'll come up with a text transcript and a way for folks
to provide edits via pull requests on GitHub.
* I'll be moving away from Internet Explorer for browse mode
demonstrations, opting for Firefox and Microsoft Edge.
Below is a list of changes between 2015 and 2018 editions provided you say I
should do it:
* I'll be using Windows OneCore voices for most speech demos.
* Chapter 1 (Intro) will be expanded and re-recorded to improve
recording quality, as well as adding additional information such as command
line switches to start a portable copy after creating one and a note on
Controlled Folder Access.
* Chapter 2 (Basics) will go over more touchscreen possibilities, some
command changes (including copying the contents of status bars) and others.
* Chapter 3 (Objects and object navigation) will feature new examples,
especially more universal app examples.
* Chapter 4 (Browsing the web) will feature reading PDF documents with
Microsoft Edge, turning off single letter navigation commands on the fly and
elements list improvements.
* Chapter 5 (Apps) will feature new and updated examples.
* Chapters 6 and 7 (Configuration) will feature new settings,
including Windows 10 OCR and many others.
* Chapter 8 (tools) will feature content recognition.
* Chapter 9 (Add-ons) will feature new and updated examples, including
Remote Support add-on.
* Addenda may include a word on ARM64 support, development snapshots
and what not.
Comments are appreciated.
Cheers,
Joseph
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One of the nice things about using something like the MS voices is that you don't have to slow them down as much, even for new folks, because they sound a lot closer to human than do voices like e-speak or even eloquence.
Mary
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On 12/9/2017 3:47 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote: OK, 1 make sure the voice is slow enough for new users. Most of the tutorials I hear on the internet are using voices running way too fast.
Next, I think that a little time needs to be spent in the snapshot tutorial about how to use Github without going bald. I am not that thick but I still find it cluttered and very hard to use.
Is Edge really any better for pdfs than Adobe? The big issue is as we all know the clueless people who compile them with no tagging of content reading order changes.
Firefox. Would you be using ESR or attempting to cover the new Quantum version which even when it can be made to function is still like a duck with a broken leg. OK in the water but tends to swim in circles a lot!
Also of course I know that you are about to embark in a major upgrade to nvda to use a version of Python better able to cope with newer systems, and this is bound to start throwing unexpected spanners into the air to fall who knows where for a while, so its a good time to get folk used to diagnosing and working around any problems by giving them a bit of a lesson in the logic to find where problems might be etc.
Just my few penneths worth.
Brian
bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2017 4:53 PM
Subject: [nvda] Request for comments: Should I record 2018 edition of Welcome to NVDA tutorials set?
Dear global NVDA community,
After reading recent threads on various NVDA lists and looking at some
tweets, I find myself asking if I should do it again: record the 2018
edition of the popular "Welcome to NVDA" tutorials set. The thing is, there
are more superb tutorials out now, including NV Access's own Basic Training
module. I do understand that many folks have come to know NVDA through my
tutorials and some tutorials used mine as a reference or a guide.
For reference, the 2015 edition of this tutorials set can be found at:
http://www.josephsl.net/tutorials
If the community says I should record the 2018 edition, it'll be done with
some conditions:
* The tutorial will be based on a combination of 2017.4 and latest
snapshot features.
* I'll be using Windows 10 Version 1709 (Fall Creators Update).
* I will not ask for payment for this set; if you insist on paying me,
I'd rather ask you to donate to NV Access.
* If possible, I'll come up with a text transcript and a way for folks
to provide edits via pull requests on GitHub.
* I'll be moving away from Internet Explorer for browse mode
demonstrations, opting for Firefox and Microsoft Edge.
Below is a list of changes between 2015 and 2018 editions provided you say I
should do it:
* I'll be using Windows OneCore voices for most speech demos.
* Chapter 1 (Intro) will be expanded and re-recorded to improve
recording quality, as well as adding additional information such as command
line switches to start a portable copy after creating one and a note on
Controlled Folder Access.
* Chapter 2 (Basics) will go over more touchscreen possibilities, some
command changes (including copying the contents of status bars) and others.
* Chapter 3 (Objects and object navigation) will feature new examples,
especially more universal app examples.
* Chapter 4 (Browsing the web) will feature reading PDF documents with
Microsoft Edge, turning off single letter navigation commands on the fly and
elements list improvements.
* Chapter 5 (Apps) will feature new and updated examples.
* Chapters 6 and 7 (Configuration) will feature new settings,
including Windows 10 OCR and many others.
* Chapter 8 (tools) will feature content recognition.
* Chapter 9 (Add-ons) will feature new and updated examples, including
Remote Support add-on.
* Addenda may include a word on ARM64 support, development snapshots
and what not.
Comments are appreciated.
Cheers,
Joseph
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Hi,Firefox: I'll be using 52 SR, and yes, I'll be mentioning changes to
Quantum.
Regarding Python 3 and debugging: that's what devlearning list is for: folks
over there are just starting to learn how to find issues and debug them.
Cheers,
Joseph
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-----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io Sent: Saturday, December 9, 2017 3:47 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Request for comments: Should I record 2018 edition of Welcome to NVDA tutorials set? OK, 1 make sure the voice is slow enough for new users. Most of the tutorials I hear on the internet are using voices running way too fast. Next, I think that a little time needs to be spent in the snapshot tutorial about how to use Github without going bald. I am not that thick but I still find it cluttered and very hard to use. Is Edge really any better for pdfs than Adobe? The big issue is as we all know the clueless people who compile them with no tagging of content reading order changes. Firefox. Would you be using ESR or attempting to cover the new Quantum version which even when it can be made to function is still like a duck with a broken leg. OK in the water but tends to swim in circles a lot! Also of course I know that you are about to embark in a major upgrade to nvda to use a version of Python better able to cope with newer systems, and this is bound to start throwing unexpected spanners into the air to fall who knows where for a while, so its a good time to get folk used to diagnosing and working around any problems by giving them a bit of a lesson in the logic to find where problems might be etc. Just my few penneths worth. Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2017 4:53 PM Subject: [nvda] Request for comments: Should I record 2018 edition of Welcome to NVDA tutorials set? Dear global NVDA community,
After reading recent threads on various NVDA lists and looking at some
tweets, I find myself asking if I should do it again: record the 2018
edition of the popular "Welcome to NVDA" tutorials set. The thing is,
there are more superb tutorials out now, including NV Access's own
Basic Training module. I do understand that many folks have come to
know NVDA through my tutorials and some tutorials used mine as a
reference or a guide.
For reference, the 2015 edition of this tutorials set can be found at:
http://www.josephsl.net/tutorials
If the community says I should record the 2018 edition, it'll be done
with some conditions:
* The tutorial will be based on a combination of 2017.4 and latest
snapshot features.
* I'll be using Windows 10 Version 1709 (Fall Creators Update).
* I will not ask for payment for this set; if you insist on paying me,
I'd rather ask you to donate to NV Access.
* If possible, I'll come up with a text transcript and a way for folks
to provide edits via pull requests on GitHub.
* I'll be moving away from Internet Explorer for browse mode
demonstrations, opting for Firefox and Microsoft Edge.
Below is a list of changes between 2015 and 2018 editions provided you
say I should do it:
* I'll be using Windows OneCore voices for most speech demos.
* Chapter 1 (Intro) will be expanded and re-recorded to improve
recording quality, as well as adding additional information such as
command
line switches to start a portable copy after creating one and a note on
Controlled Folder Access.
* Chapter 2 (Basics) will go over more touchscreen possibilities, some
command changes (including copying the contents of status bars) and
others.
* Chapter 3 (Objects and object navigation) will feature new examples,
especially more universal app examples.
* Chapter 4 (Browsing the web) will feature reading PDF documents with
Microsoft Edge, turning off single letter navigation commands on the fly
and
elements list improvements.
* Chapter 5 (Apps) will feature new and updated examples.
* Chapters 6 and 7 (Configuration) will feature new settings,
including Windows 10 OCR and many others.
* Chapter 8 (tools) will feature content recognition.
* Chapter 9 (Add-ons) will feature new and updated examples, including
Remote Support add-on.
* Addenda may include a word on ARM64 support, development snapshots
and what not.
Comments are appreciated.
Cheers,
Joseph
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I don't think it’s a good idea to have the voice be
painfully slow, as accomodating new users might be for more experienced
users. I would suggest doing what I do in tutorials. I have the
speech speak at a good rate for experienced users, but I repeat things that are
said so the inexperienced listener will know what has been said. I haven't
done a tutorial in quite some time and I don't recall if I say everything or
just about everything the speech says, but I repeat everything as I move through
a dialog, a ribbon, a menu, etc. I repeat everything that matters so users
can tell what they need to know. My system accomodates both new and
experienced synthesized speech users..
Gene
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2017 5:47 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Request for comments: Should I record 2018
edition of Welcome to NVDA tutorials set?
OK, 1 make sure the voice is slow enough for new users. Most of
the tutorials I hear on the internet are using voices running way too
fast. Next, I think that a little time needs to be spent in the
snapshot tutorial about how to use Github without going bald. I am not that
thick but I still find it cluttered and very hard to use. Is Edge
really any better for pdfs than Adobe? The big issue is as we all know the
clueless people who compile them with no tagging of content reading order
changes. Firefox. Would you be using ESR or attempting to cover the new
Quantum version which even when it can be made to function is still like a
duck with a broken leg. OK in the water but tends to swim in circles a
lot! Also of course I know that you are about to embark in a
major upgrade to nvda to use a version of Python better able to cope
with newer systems, and this is bound to start throwing unexpected spanners
into the air to fall who knows where for a while, so its a good time to get
folk used to diagnosing and working around any problems by giving them a bit
of a lesson in the logic to find where problems might be etc. Just
my few penneths worth. Brian bglists@...Sent via
blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting
'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" < joseph.lee22590@...> To:
< nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent:
Saturday, December 09, 2017 4:53 PM Subject: [nvda] Request for comments:
Should I record 2018 edition of Welcome to NVDA tutorials
set? > Dear global NVDA community, > > > >
After reading recent threads on various NVDA lists and looking at some >
tweets, I find myself asking if I should do it again: record the 2018 >
edition of the popular "Welcome to NVDA" tutorials set. The thing is, >
there > are more superb tutorials out now, including NV Access's own Basic
> Training > module. I do understand that many folks have come to
know NVDA through my > tutorials and some tutorials used mine as a
reference or a guide. > > > > For reference, the 2015
edition of this tutorials set can be found at: > > http://www.josephsl.net/tutorials> > > >
If the community says I should record the 2018 edition, it'll be done
with > some conditions: > > > > * The tutorial
will be based on a combination of 2017.4 and latest > snapshot
features. > * I'll be using Windows 10 Version 1709 (Fall Creators
Update). > * I will not ask for payment for this set; if you insist on
paying me, > I'd rather ask you to donate to NV Access. > * If
possible, I'll come up with a text transcript and a way for folks > to
provide edits via pull requests on GitHub. > * I'll be moving away from
Internet Explorer for browse mode > demonstrations, opting for Firefox and
Microsoft Edge. > > > > Below is a list of changes
between 2015 and 2018 editions provided you say > I > should do
it: > > > > * I'll be using Windows OneCore voices for
most speech demos. > * Chapter 1 (Intro) will be expanded and re-recorded
to improve > recording quality, as well as adding additional information
such as > command > line switches to start a portable copy after
creating one and a note on > Controlled Folder Access. > * Chapter 2
(Basics) will go over more touchscreen possibilities, some > command
changes (including copying the contents of status bars) and >
others. > * Chapter 3 (Objects and object navigation) will feature new
examples, > especially more universal app examples. > * Chapter 4
(Browsing the web) will feature reading PDF documents with > Microsoft
Edge, turning off single letter navigation commands on the fly >
and > elements list improvements. > * Chapter 5 (Apps) will feature
new and updated examples. > * Chapters 6 and 7 (Configuration) will
feature new settings, > including Windows 10 OCR and many others. >
* Chapter 8 (tools) will feature content recognition. > * Chapter 9
(Add-ons) will feature new and updated examples, including > Remote
Support add-on. > * Addenda may include a word on ARM64 support,
development snapshots > and what not. > > > >
Comments are appreciated. > > Cheers, > >
Joseph > >
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Hi all, mostly for Brian, If you want to get a “preview” of what I’m thinking of doing, take a look at Windows 10 build series (same website as my current tutorials), especially the very last one (build 17025). That should give folks an idea as to what the “tutorial set” could sound like. Cheers, Joseph
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene Sent: Saturday, December 9, 2017 4:37 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Request for comments: Should I record 2018 edition of Welcome to NVDA tutorials set? I don't think it’s a good idea to have the voice be painfully slow, as accomodating new users might be for more experienced users. I would suggest doing what I do in tutorials. I have the speech speak at a good rate for experienced users, but I repeat things that are said so the inexperienced listener will know what has been said. I haven't done a tutorial in quite some time and I don't recall if I say everything or just about everything the speech says, but I repeat everything as I move through a dialog, a ribbon, a menu, etc. I repeat everything that matters so users can tell what they need to know. My system accomodates both new and experienced synthesized speech users.. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2017 5:47 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Request for comments: Should I record 2018 edition of Welcome to NVDA tutorials set? OK, 1 make sure the voice is slow enough for new users. Most of the
tutorials I hear on the internet are using voices running way too fast.
Next, I think that a little time needs to be spent in the snapshot tutorial
about how to use Github without going bald. I am not that thick but I still
find it cluttered and very hard to use.
Is Edge really any better for pdfs than Adobe? The big issue is as we all
know the clueless people who compile them with no tagging of content reading
order changes.
Firefox. Would you be using ESR or attempting to cover the new Quantum
version which even when it can be made to function is still like a duck with
a broken leg. OK in the water but tends to swim in circles a lot!
Also of course I know that you are about to embark in a major upgrade to
nvda to use a version of Python better able to cope with newer systems, and
this is bound to start throwing unexpected spanners into the air to fall who
knows where for a while, so its a good time to get folk used to diagnosing
and working around any problems by giving them a bit of a lesson in the
logic to find where problems might be etc.
Just my few penneths worth.
Brian
bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2017 4:53 PM
Subject: [nvda] Request for comments: Should I record 2018 edition of
Welcome to NVDA tutorials set?
> Dear global NVDA community,
>
>
>
> After reading recent threads on various NVDA lists and looking at some
> tweets, I find myself asking if I should do it again: record the 2018
> edition of the popular "Welcome to NVDA" tutorials set. The thing is,
> there
> are more superb tutorials out now, including NV Access's own Basic
> Training
> module. I do understand that many folks have come to know NVDA through my
> tutorials and some tutorials used mine as a reference or a guide.
>
>
>
> For reference, the 2015 edition of this tutorials set can be found at:
>
> http://www.josephsl.net/tutorials
>
>
>
> If the community says I should record the 2018 edition, it'll be done with
> some conditions:
>
>
>
> * The tutorial will be based on a combination of 2017.4 and latest
> snapshot features.
> * I'll be using Windows 10 Version 1709 (Fall Creators Update).
> * I will not ask for payment for this set; if you insist on paying me,
> I'd rather ask you to donate to NV Access.
> * If possible, I'll come up with a text transcript and a way for folks
> to provide edits via pull requests on GitHub.
> * I'll be moving away from Internet Explorer for browse mode
> demonstrations, opting for Firefox and Microsoft Edge.
>
>
>
> Below is a list of changes between 2015 and 2018 editions provided you say
> I
> should do it:
>
>
>
> * I'll be using Windows OneCore voices for most speech demos.
> * Chapter 1 (Intro) will be expanded and re-recorded to improve
> recording quality, as well as adding additional information such as
> command
> line switches to start a portable copy after creating one and a note on
> Controlled Folder Access.
> * Chapter 2 (Basics) will go over more touchscreen possibilities, some
> command changes (including copying the contents of status bars) and
> others.
> * Chapter 3 (Objects and object navigation) will feature new examples,
> especially more universal app examples.
> * Chapter 4 (Browsing the web) will feature reading PDF documents with
> Microsoft Edge, turning off single letter navigation commands on the fly
> and
> elements list improvements.
> * Chapter 5 (Apps) will feature new and updated examples.
> * Chapters 6 and 7 (Configuration) will feature new settings,
> including Windows 10 OCR and many others.
> * Chapter 8 (tools) will feature content recognition.
> * Chapter 9 (Add-ons) will feature new and updated examples, including
> Remote Support add-on.
> * Addenda may include a word on ARM64 support, development snapshots
> and what not.
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> Comments are appreciated.
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> Cheers,
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> Joseph
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hi joseph,
You always make our life better by doing this tutorial, and goodwork
should not be delayed. Go for it, thank you
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On 12/10/17, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> wrote: Hi all, mostly for Brian,
If you want to get a "preview" of what I'm thinking of doing, take a look
at
Windows 10 build series (same website as my current tutorials), especially
the very last one (build 17025). That should give folks an idea as to what
the "tutorial set" could sound like.
Cheers,
Joseph
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, December 9, 2017 4:37 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Request for comments: Should I record 2018 edition of
Welcome to NVDA tutorials set?
I don't think it's a good idea to have the voice be painfully slow, as
accomodating new users might be for more experienced users. I would
suggest
doing what I do in tutorials. I have the speech speak at a good rate for
experienced users, but I repeat things that are said so the inexperienced
listener will know what has been said. I haven't done a tutorial in quite
some time and I don't recall if I say everything or just about everything
the speech says, but I repeat everything as I move through a dialog, a
ribbon, a menu, etc. I repeat everything that matters so users can tell
what they need to know. My system accomodates both new and experienced
synthesized speech users..
Gene
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Request for comments: Should I record 2018 edition of
Welcome to NVDA tutorials set?
OK, 1 make sure the voice is slow enough for new users. Most of the
tutorials I hear on the internet are using voices running way too fast.
Next, I think that a little time needs to be spent in the snapshot
tutorial
about how to use Github without going bald. I am not that thick but I still
find it cluttered and very hard to use.
Is Edge really any better for pdfs than Adobe? The big issue is as we all
know the clueless people who compile them with no tagging of content
reading
order changes.
Firefox. Would you be using ESR or attempting to cover the new Quantum
version which even when it can be made to function is still like a duck
with
a broken leg. OK in the water but tends to swim in circles a lot!
Also of course I know that you are about to embark in a major upgrade to
nvda to use a version of Python better able to cope with newer systems, and
this is bound to start throwing unexpected spanners into the air to fall
who
knows where for a while, so its a good time to get folk used to diagnosing
and working around any problems by giving them a bit of a lesson in the
logic to find where problems might be etc.
Just my few penneths worth.
Brian
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From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com
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Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2017 4:53 PM
Subject: [nvda] Request for comments: Should I record 2018 edition of
Welcome to NVDA tutorials set?
Dear global NVDA community,
After reading recent threads on various NVDA lists and looking at some
tweets, I find myself asking if I should do it again: record the 2018
edition of the popular "Welcome to NVDA" tutorials set. The thing is,
there
are more superb tutorials out now, including NV Access's own Basic
Training
module. I do understand that many folks have come to know NVDA through my
tutorials and some tutorials used mine as a reference or a guide.
For reference, the 2015 edition of this tutorials set can be found at:
http://www.josephsl.net/tutorials
If the community says I should record the 2018 edition, it'll be done
with
some conditions:
* The tutorial will be based on a combination of 2017.4 and latest
snapshot features.
* I'll be using Windows 10 Version 1709 (Fall Creators Update).
* I will not ask for payment for this set; if you insist on paying me,
I'd rather ask you to donate to NV Access.
* If possible, I'll come up with a text transcript and a way for folks
to provide edits via pull requests on GitHub.
* I'll be moving away from Internet Explorer for browse mode
demonstrations, opting for Firefox and Microsoft Edge.
Below is a list of changes between 2015 and 2018 editions provided you
say I
should do it:
* I'll be using Windows OneCore voices for most speech demos.
* Chapter 1 (Intro) will be expanded and re-recorded to improve
recording quality, as well as adding additional information such as
command
line switches to start a portable copy after creating one and a note on
Controlled Folder Access.
* Chapter 2 (Basics) will go over more touchscreen possibilities, some
command changes (including copying the contents of status bars) and
others.
* Chapter 3 (Objects and object navigation) will feature new examples,
especially more universal app examples.
* Chapter 4 (Browsing the web) will feature reading PDF documents with
Microsoft Edge, turning off single letter navigation commands on the fly
and
elements list improvements.
* Chapter 5 (Apps) will feature new and updated examples.
* Chapters 6 and 7 (Configuration) will feature new settings,
including Windows 10 OCR and many others.
* Chapter 8 (tools) will feature content recognition.
* Chapter 9 (Add-ons) will feature new and updated examples, including
Remote Support add-on.
* Addenda may include a word on ARM64 support, development snapshots
and what not.
Comments are appreciated.
Cheers,
Joseph
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