On Dec 9, 2017, at 8:53 AM, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:

Dear global NVDA community,

 

After reading recent threads on various NVDA lists and looking at some tweets, I find myself asking if I should do it again: record the 2018 edition of the popular “Welcome to NVDA” tutorials set. The thing is, there are more superb tutorials out now, including NV Access’s own Basic Training module. I do understand that many folks have come to know NVDA through my tutorials and some tutorials used mine as a reference or a guide.

 

For reference, the 2015 edition of this tutorials set can be found at:

http://www.josephsl.net/tutorials

 

If the community says I should record the 2018 edition, it’ll be done with some conditions:

 

• The tutorial will be based on a combination of 2017.4 and latest snapshot features.
• I’ll be using Windows 10 Version 1709 (Fall Creators Update).
• I will not ask for payment for this set; if you insist on paying me, I’d rather ask you to donate to NV Access.
• If possible, I’ll come up with a text transcript and a way for folks to provide edits via pull requests on GitHub.
• I’ll be moving away from Internet Explorer for browse mode demonstrations, opting for Firefox and Microsoft Edge.

 

Below is a list of changes between 2015 and 2018 editions provided you say I should do it:

 

• I’ll be using Windows OneCore voices for most speech demos.
• Chapter 1 (Intro) will be expanded and re-recorded to improve recording quality, as well as adding additional information such as command line switches to start a portable copy after creating one and a note on Controlled Folder Access.
• Chapter 2 (Basics) will go over more touchscreen possibilities, some command changes (including copying the contents of status bars) and others.
• Chapter 3 (Objects and object navigation) will feature new examples, especially more universal app examples.
• Chapter 4 (Browsing the web) will feature reading PDF documents with Microsoft Edge, turning off single letter navigation commands on the fly and elements list improvements.
• Chapter 5 (Apps) will feature new and updated examples.
• Chapters 6 and 7 (Configuration) will feature new settings, including Windows 10 OCR and many others.
• Chapter 8 (tools) will feature content recognition.
• Chapter 9 (Add-ons) will feature new and updated examples, including Remote Support add-on.
• Addenda may include a word on ARM64 support, development snapshots and what not.

 

Comments are appreciated.

Cheers,

Joseph

On 12/9/17, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:

Dear global NVDA community,



After reading recent threads on various NVDA lists and looking at some
tweets, I find myself asking if I should do it again: record the 2018
edition of the popular "Welcome to NVDA" tutorials set. The thing is, there
are more superb tutorials out now, including NV Access's own Basic Training
module. I do understand that many folks have come to know NVDA through my
tutorials and some tutorials used mine as a reference or a guide.



For reference, the 2015 edition of this tutorials set can be found at:

http://www.josephsl.net/tutorials



If the community says I should record the 2018 edition, it'll be done with
some conditions:



* The tutorial will be based on a combination of 2017.4 and latest
snapshot features.
* I'll be using Windows 10 Version 1709 (Fall Creators Update).
* I will not ask for payment for this set; if you insist on paying me,
I'd rather ask you to donate to NV Access.
* If possible, I'll come up with a text transcript and a way for folks
to provide edits via pull requests on GitHub.
* I'll be moving away from Internet Explorer for browse mode
demonstrations, opting for Firefox and Microsoft Edge.



Below is a list of changes between 2015 and 2018 editions provided you say
I
should do it:



* I'll be using Windows OneCore voices for most speech demos.
* Chapter 1 (Intro) will be expanded and re-recorded to improve
recording quality, as well as adding additional information such as command
line switches to start a portable copy after creating one and a note on
Controlled Folder Access.
* Chapter 2 (Basics) will go over more touchscreen possibilities, some
command changes (including copying the contents of status bars) and others.
* Chapter 3 (Objects and object navigation) will feature new examples,
especially more universal app examples.
* Chapter 4 (Browsing the web) will feature reading PDF documents with
Microsoft Edge, turning off single letter navigation commands on the fly
and
elements list improvements.
* Chapter 5 (Apps) will feature new and updated examples.
* Chapters 6 and 7 (Configuration) will feature new settings,
including Windows 10 OCR and many others.
* Chapter 8 (tools) will feature content recognition.
* Chapter 9 (Add-ons) will feature new and updated examples, including
Remote Support add-on.
* Addenda may include a word on ARM64 support, development snapshots
and what not.



Comments are appreciated.

Cheers,

Joseph

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: December-09-17 8:59 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Request for comments: Should I record 2018 edition of Welcome to NVDA tutorials set?

 

On Dec 9, 2017, at 10:53 AM, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:

Dear global NVDA community,

 

After reading recent threads on various NVDA lists and looking at some tweets, I find myself asking if I should do it again: record the 2018 edition of the popular “Welcome to NVDA” tutorials set. The thing is, there are more superb tutorials out now, including NV Access’s own Basic Training module. I do understand that many folks have come to know NVDA through my tutorials and some tutorials used mine as a reference or a guide.

 

For reference, the 2015 edition of this tutorials set can be found at:

http://www.josephsl.net/tutorials

 

If the community says I should record the 2018 edition, it’ll be done with some conditions:

 

• The tutorial will be based on a combination of 2017.4 and latest snapshot features.
• I’ll be using Windows 10 Version 1709 (Fall Creators Update).
• I will not ask for payment for this set; if you insist on paying me, I’d rather ask you to donate to NV Access.
• If possible, I’ll come up with a text transcript and a way for folks to provide edits via pull requests on GitHub.
• I’ll be moving away from Internet Explorer for browse mode demonstrations, opting for Firefox and Microsoft Edge.

 

Below is a list of changes between 2015 and 2018 editions provided you say I should do it:

 

• I’ll be using Windows OneCore voices for most speech demos.
• Chapter 1 (Intro) will be expanded and re-recorded to improve recording quality, as well as adding additional information such as command line switches to start a portable copy after creating one and a note on Controlled Folder Access.
• Chapter 2 (Basics) will go over more touchscreen possibilities, some command changes (including copying the contents of status bars) and others.
• Chapter 3 (Objects and object navigation) will feature new examples, especially more universal app examples.
• Chapter 4 (Browsing the web) will feature reading PDF documents with Microsoft Edge, turning off single letter navigation commands on the fly and elements list improvements.
• Chapter 5 (Apps) will feature new and updated examples.
• Chapters 6 and 7 (Configuration) will feature new settings, including Windows 10 OCR and many others.
• Chapter 8 (tools) will feature content recognition.
• Chapter 9 (Add-ons) will feature new and updated examples, including Remote Support add-on.
• Addenda may include a word on ARM64 support, development snapshots and what not.

 

Comments are appreciated.

Cheers,

Joseph

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2017 8:54 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Request for comments: Should I record 2018 edition of Welcome to NVDA tutorials set?

 

Dear global NVDA community,

 

After reading recent threads on various NVDA lists and looking at some tweets, I find myself asking if I should do it again: record the 2018 edition of the popular “Welcome to NVDA” tutorials set. The thing is, there are more superb tutorials out now, including NV Access’s own Basic Training module. I do understand that many folks have come to know NVDA through my tutorials and some tutorials used mine as a reference or a guide.

 

For reference, the 2015 edition of this tutorials set can be found at:

http://www.josephsl.net/tutorials

 

If the community says I should record the 2018 edition, it’ll be done with some conditions:

 

• The tutorial will be based on a combination of 2017.4 and latest snapshot features.
• I’ll be using Windows 10 Version 1709 (Fall Creators Update).
• I will not ask for payment for this set; if you insist on paying me, I’d rather ask you to donate to NV Access.
• If possible, I’ll come up with a text transcript and a way for folks to provide edits via pull requests on GitHub.
• I’ll be moving away from Internet Explorer for browse mode demonstrations, opting for Firefox and Microsoft Edge.

 

Below is a list of changes between 2015 and 2018 editions provided you say I should do it:

 

• I’ll be using Windows OneCore voices for most speech demos.
• Chapter 1 (Intro) will be expanded and re-recorded to improve recording quality, as well as adding additional information such as command line switches to start a portable copy after creating one and a note on Controlled Folder Access.
• Chapter 2 (Basics) will go over more touchscreen possibilities, some command changes (including copying the contents of status bars) and others.
• Chapter 3 (Objects and object navigation) will feature new examples, especially more universal app examples.
• Chapter 4 (Browsing the web) will feature reading PDF documents with Microsoft Edge, turning off single letter navigation commands on the fly and elements list improvements.
• Chapter 5 (Apps) will feature new and updated examples.
• Chapters 6 and 7 (Configuration) will feature new settings, including Windows 10 OCR and many others.
• Chapter 8 (tools) will feature content recognition.
• Chapter 9 (Add-ons) will feature new and updated examples, including Remote Support add-on.
• Addenda may include a word on ARM64 support, development snapshots and what not.

 

Comments are appreciated.

Cheers,

Joseph

Il 09/12/2017 17:53, Joseph Lee ha scritto:

Dear global NVDA community,


After reading recent threads on various NVDA lists and looking at some
tweets, I find myself asking if I should do it again: record the 2018
edition of the popular "Welcome to NVDA" tutorials set. The thing is, there
are more superb tutorials out now, including NV Access's own Basic Training
module. I do understand that many folks have come to know NVDA through my
tutorials and some tutorials used mine as a reference or a guide.


For reference, the 2015 edition of this tutorials set can be found at:

http://www.josephsl.net/tutorials


If the community says I should record the 2018 edition, it'll be done with
some conditions:


* The tutorial will be based on a combination of 2017.4 and latest
snapshot features.
* I'll be using Windows 10 Version 1709 (Fall Creators Update).
* I will not ask for payment for this set; if you insist on paying me,
I'd rather ask you to donate to NV Access.
* If possible, I'll come up with a text transcript and a way for folks
to provide edits via pull requests on GitHub.
* I'll be moving away from Internet Explorer for browse mode
demonstrations, opting for Firefox and Microsoft Edge.


Below is a list of changes between 2015 and 2018 editions provided you say I
should do it:


* I'll be using Windows OneCore voices for most speech demos.
* Chapter 1 (Intro) will be expanded and re-recorded to improve
recording quality, as well as adding additional information such as command
line switches to start a portable copy after creating one and a note on
Controlled Folder Access.
* Chapter 2 (Basics) will go over more touchscreen possibilities, some
command changes (including copying the contents of status bars) and others.
* Chapter 3 (Objects and object navigation) will feature new examples,
especially more universal app examples.
* Chapter 4 (Browsing the web) will feature reading PDF documents with
Microsoft Edge, turning off single letter navigation commands on the fly and
elements list improvements.
* Chapter 5 (Apps) will feature new and updated examples.
* Chapters 6 and 7 (Configuration) will feature new settings,
including Windows 10 OCR and many others.
* Chapter 8 (tools) will feature content recognition.
* Chapter 9 (Add-ons) will feature new and updated examples, including
Remote Support add-on.
* Addenda may include a word on ARM64 support, development snapshots
and what not.


Comments are appreciated.

Cheers,

Joseph



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On Dec 9, 2017, at 12:19 PM, Kwork <istherelife@...> wrote:

Yes, please! Your work is appreciated by many. The comments over the years have more than validated that. Updating the tutorials would be an awesome gesture as long as your life and time permit.

Travis

----- Original Message -----

From: Joseph Lee

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2017 9:53 AM

Subject: [nvda] Request for comments: Should I record 2018 edition of Welcome to NVDA tutorials set?

Dear global NVDA community,

 

After reading recent threads on various NVDA lists and looking at some tweets, I find myself asking if I should do it again: record the 2018 edition of the popular “Welcome to NVDA” tutorials set. The thing is, there are more superb tutorials out now, including NV Access’s own Basic Training module. I do understand that many folks have come to know NVDA through my tutorials and some tutorials used mine as a reference or a guide.

 

For reference, the 2015 edition of this tutorials set can be found at:

http://www.josephsl.net/tutorials

 

If the community says I should record the 2018 edition, it’ll be done with some conditions:

 

• The tutorial will be based on a combination of 2017.4 and latest snapshot features.
• I’ll be using Windows 10 Version 1709 (Fall Creators Update).
• I will not ask for payment for this set; if you insist on paying me, I’d rather ask you to donate to NV Access.
• If possible, I’ll come up with a text transcript and a way for folks to provide edits via pull requests on GitHub.
• I’ll be moving away from Internet Explorer for browse mode demonstrations, opting for Firefox and Microsoft Edge.

 

Below is a list of changes between 2015 and 2018 editions provided you say I should do it:

 

• I’ll be using Windows OneCore voices for most speech demos.
• Chapter 1 (Intro) will be expanded and re-recorded to improve recording quality, as well as adding additional information such as command line switches to start a portable copy after creating one and a note on Controlled Folder Access.
• Chapter 2 (Basics) will go over more touchscreen possibilities, some command changes (including copying the contents of status bars) and others.
• Chapter 3 (Objects and object navigation) will feature new examples, especially more universal app examples.
• Chapter 4 (Browsing the web) will feature reading PDF documents with Microsoft Edge, turning off single letter navigation commands on the fly and elements list improvements.
• Chapter 5 (Apps) will feature new and updated examples.
• Chapters 6 and 7 (Configuration) will feature new settings, including Windows 10 OCR and many others.
• Chapter 8 (tools) will feature content recognition.
• Chapter 9 (Add-ons) will feature new and updated examples, including Remote Support add-on.
• Addenda may include a word on ARM64 support, development snapshots and what not.

 

Comments are appreciated.

Cheers,

Joseph

Dear global NVDA community,

 

After reading recent threads on various NVDA lists and looking at some tweets, I find myself asking if I should do it again: record the 2018 edition of the popular “Welcome to NVDA” tutorials set. The thing is, there are more superb tutorials out now, including NV Access’s own Basic Training module. I do understand that many folks have come to know NVDA through my tutorials and some tutorials used mine as a reference or a guide.

 

For reference, the 2015 edition of this tutorials set can be found at:

http://www.josephsl.net/tutorials

 

If the community says I should record the 2018 edition, it’ll be done with some conditions:

 

• The tutorial will be based on a combination of 2017.4 and latest snapshot features.
• I’ll be using Windows 10 Version 1709 (Fall Creators Update).
• I will not ask for payment for this set; if you insist on paying me, I’d rather ask you to donate to NV Access.
• If possible, I’ll come up with a text transcript and a way for folks to provide edits via pull requests on GitHub.
• I’ll be moving away from Internet Explorer for browse mode demonstrations, opting for Firefox and Microsoft Edge.

 

Below is a list of changes between 2015 and 2018 editions provided you say I should do it:

 

• I’ll be using Windows OneCore voices for most speech demos.
• Chapter 1 (Intro) will be expanded and re-recorded to improve recording quality, as well as adding additional information such as command line switches to start a portable copy after creating one and a note on Controlled Folder Access.
• Chapter 2 (Basics) will go over more touchscreen possibilities, some command changes (including copying the contents of status bars) and others.
• Chapter 3 (Objects and object navigation) will feature new examples, especially more universal app examples.
• Chapter 4 (Browsing the web) will feature reading PDF documents with Microsoft Edge, turning off single letter navigation commands on the fly and elements list improvements.
• Chapter 5 (Apps) will feature new and updated examples.
• Chapters 6 and 7 (Configuration) will feature new settings, including Windows 10 OCR and many others.
• Chapter 8 (tools) will feature content recognition.
• Chapter 9 (Add-ons) will feature new and updated examples, including Remote Support add-on.
• Addenda may include a word on ARM64 support, development snapshots and what not.

 

Comments are appreciated.

Cheers,

Joseph

Dear global NVDA community,
After reading recent threads on various NVDA lists and looking at some tweets, I find myself asking if I should do it again: record the 2018 edition of the popular �Welcome to NVDA� tutorials set. The thing is, there are more superb tutorials out now, including NV Access�s own Basic Training module. I do understand that many folks have come to know NVDA through my tutorials and some tutorials used mine as a reference or a guide.
For reference, the 2015 edition of this tutorials set can be found at:
http://www.josephsl.net/tutorials
If the community says I should record the 2018 edition, it�ll be done with some conditions:
* The tutorial will be based on a combination of 2017.4 and latest
snapshot features.
* I�ll be using Windows 10 Version 1709 (Fall Creators Update).
* I will not ask for payment for this set; if you insist on paying me,
I�d rather ask you to donate to NV Access.
* If possible, I�ll come up with a text transcript and a way for folks
to provide edits via pull requests on GitHub.
* I�ll be moving away from Internet Explorer for browse mode
demonstrations, opting for Firefox and Microsoft Edge.
Below is a list of changes between 2015 and 2018 editions provided you say I should do it:
* I�ll be using Windows OneCore voices for most speech demos.
* Chapter 1 (Intro) will be expanded and re-recorded to improve
recording quality, as well as adding additional information such as
command line switches to start a portable copy after creating one
and a note on Controlled Folder Access.
* Chapter 2 (Basics) will go over more touchscreen possibilities, some
command changes (including copying the contents of status bars) and
others.
* Chapter 3 (Objects and object navigation) will feature new examples,
especially more universal app examples.
* Chapter 4 (Browsing the web) will feature reading PDF documents with
Microsoft Edge, turning off single letter navigation commands on the
fly and elements list improvements.
* Chapter 5 (Apps) will feature new and updated examples.
* Chapters 6 and 7 (Configuration) will feature new settings,
including Windows 10 OCR and many others.
* Chapter 8 (tools) will feature content recognition.
* Chapter 9 (Add-ons) will feature new and updated examples, including
Remote Support add-on.
* Addenda may include a word on ARM64 support, development snapshots
and what not.
Comments are appreciated.
Cheers,
Joseph

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2017 4:53 PM
Subject: [nvda] Request for comments: Should I record 2018 edition of Welcome to NVDA tutorials set?

Dear global NVDA community,



After reading recent threads on various NVDA lists and looking at some
tweets, I find myself asking if I should do it again: record the 2018
edition of the popular "Welcome to NVDA" tutorials set. The thing is, there
are more superb tutorials out now, including NV Access's own Basic Training
module. I do understand that many folks have come to know NVDA through my
tutorials and some tutorials used mine as a reference or a guide.



For reference, the 2015 edition of this tutorials set can be found at:

http://www.josephsl.net/tutorials



If the community says I should record the 2018 edition, it'll be done with
some conditions:



* The tutorial will be based on a combination of 2017.4 and latest
snapshot features.
* I'll be using Windows 10 Version 1709 (Fall Creators Update).
* I will not ask for payment for this set; if you insist on paying me,
I'd rather ask you to donate to NV Access.
* If possible, I'll come up with a text transcript and a way for folks
to provide edits via pull requests on GitHub.
* I'll be moving away from Internet Explorer for browse mode
demonstrations, opting for Firefox and Microsoft Edge.



Below is a list of changes between 2015 and 2018 editions provided you say I
should do it:



* I'll be using Windows OneCore voices for most speech demos.
* Chapter 1 (Intro) will be expanded and re-recorded to improve
recording quality, as well as adding additional information such as command
line switches to start a portable copy after creating one and a note on
Controlled Folder Access.
* Chapter 2 (Basics) will go over more touchscreen possibilities, some
command changes (including copying the contents of status bars) and others.
* Chapter 3 (Objects and object navigation) will feature new examples,
especially more universal app examples.
* Chapter 4 (Browsing the web) will feature reading PDF documents with
Microsoft Edge, turning off single letter navigation commands on the fly and
elements list improvements.
* Chapter 5 (Apps) will feature new and updated examples.
* Chapters 6 and 7 (Configuration) will feature new settings,
including Windows 10 OCR and many others.
* Chapter 8 (tools) will feature content recognition.
* Chapter 9 (Add-ons) will feature new and updated examples, including
Remote Support add-on.
* Addenda may include a word on ARM64 support, development snapshots
and what not.



Comments are appreciated.

Cheers,

Joseph

On 12/9/2017 3:47 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:

OK, 1 make sure the voice is slow enough for new users. Most of the tutorials I hear on the internet are using voices running way too fast.
Next, I think that a little time needs to be spent in the snapshot tutorial about how to use Github without going bald. I am not that thick but I still find it cluttered and very hard to use.

Is Edge really any better for pdfs than Adobe? The big issue is as we all know the clueless people who compile them with no tagging of content reading order changes.

Firefox. Would you be using ESR or attempting to cover the new Quantum version which even when it can be made to function is still like a duck with a broken leg. OK in the water but tends to swim in circles a lot!


Also of course I know that you are about to embark in a major upgrade to nvda to use a version of Python better able to cope with newer systems, and this is bound to start throwing unexpected spanners into the air to fall who knows where for a while, so its a good time to get folk used to diagnosing and working around any problems by giving them a bit of a lesson in the logic to find where problems might be etc.
Just my few penneths worth.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2017 4:53 PM
Subject: [nvda] Request for comments: Should I record 2018 edition of Welcome to NVDA tutorials set?

Dear global NVDA community,



After reading recent threads on various NVDA lists and looking at some
tweets, I find myself asking if I should do it again: record the 2018
edition of the popular "Welcome to NVDA" tutorials set. The thing is, there
are more superb tutorials out now, including NV Access's own Basic Training
module. I do understand that many folks have come to know NVDA through my
tutorials and some tutorials used mine as a reference or a guide.



For reference, the 2015 edition of this tutorials set can be found at:

http://www.josephsl.net/tutorials



If the community says I should record the 2018 edition, it'll be done with
some conditions:



* The tutorial will be based on a combination of 2017.4 and latest
snapshot features.
* I'll be using Windows 10 Version 1709 (Fall Creators Update).
* I will not ask for payment for this set; if you insist on paying me,
I'd rather ask you to donate to NV Access.
* If possible, I'll come up with a text transcript and a way for folks
to provide edits via pull requests on GitHub.
* I'll be moving away from Internet Explorer for browse mode
demonstrations, opting for Firefox and Microsoft Edge.



Below is a list of changes between 2015 and 2018 editions provided you say I
should do it:



* I'll be using Windows OneCore voices for most speech demos.
* Chapter 1 (Intro) will be expanded and re-recorded to improve
recording quality, as well as adding additional information such as command
line switches to start a portable copy after creating one and a note on
Controlled Folder Access.
* Chapter 2 (Basics) will go over more touchscreen possibilities, some
command changes (including copying the contents of status bars) and others.
* Chapter 3 (Objects and object navigation) will feature new examples,
especially more universal app examples.
* Chapter 4 (Browsing the web) will feature reading PDF documents with
Microsoft Edge, turning off single letter navigation commands on the fly and
elements list improvements.
* Chapter 5 (Apps) will feature new and updated examples.
* Chapters 6 and 7 (Configuration) will feature new settings,
including Windows 10 OCR and many others.
* Chapter 8 (tools) will feature content recognition.
* Chapter 9 (Add-ons) will feature new and updated examples, including
Remote Support add-on.
* Addenda may include a word on ARM64 support, development snapshots
and what not.



Comments are appreciated.

Cheers,

Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian's
Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, December 9, 2017 3:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Request for comments: Should I record 2018 edition of
Welcome to NVDA tutorials set?

OK, 1 make sure the voice is slow enough for new users. Most of the
tutorials I hear on the internet are using voices running way too fast.
Next, I think that a little time needs to be spent in the snapshot tutorial
about how to use Github without going bald. I am not that thick but I still
find it cluttered and very hard to use.

Is Edge really any better for pdfs than Adobe? The big issue is as we all
know the clueless people who compile them with no tagging of content reading
order changes.

Firefox. Would you be using ESR or attempting to cover the new Quantum
version which even when it can be made to function is still like a duck with
a broken leg. OK in the water but tends to swim in circles a lot!


Also of course I know that you are about to embark in a major upgrade to
nvda to use a version of Python better able to cope with newer systems, and
this is bound to start throwing unexpected spanners into the air to fall who
knows where for a while, so its a good time to get folk used to diagnosing
and working around any problems by giving them a bit of a lesson in the
logic to find where problems might be etc.
Just my few penneths worth.
Brian

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Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2017 4:53 PM
Subject: [nvda] Request for comments: Should I record 2018 edition of
Welcome to NVDA tutorials set?

Dear global NVDA community,



After reading recent threads on various NVDA lists and looking at some
tweets, I find myself asking if I should do it again: record the 2018
edition of the popular "Welcome to NVDA" tutorials set. The thing is,
there are more superb tutorials out now, including NV Access's own
Basic Training module. I do understand that many folks have come to
know NVDA through my tutorials and some tutorials used mine as a
reference or a guide.



For reference, the 2015 edition of this tutorials set can be found at:

http://www.josephsl.net/tutorials



If the community says I should record the 2018 edition, it'll be done
with some conditions:



* The tutorial will be based on a combination of 2017.4 and latest
snapshot features.
* I'll be using Windows 10 Version 1709 (Fall Creators Update).
* I will not ask for payment for this set; if you insist on paying me,
I'd rather ask you to donate to NV Access.
* If possible, I'll come up with a text transcript and a way for folks
to provide edits via pull requests on GitHub.
* I'll be moving away from Internet Explorer for browse mode
demonstrations, opting for Firefox and Microsoft Edge.



Below is a list of changes between 2015 and 2018 editions provided you
say I should do it:



* I'll be using Windows OneCore voices for most speech demos.
* Chapter 1 (Intro) will be expanded and re-recorded to improve
recording quality, as well as adding additional information such as
command
line switches to start a portable copy after creating one and a note on
Controlled Folder Access.
* Chapter 2 (Basics) will go over more touchscreen possibilities, some
command changes (including copying the contents of status bars) and
others.
* Chapter 3 (Objects and object navigation) will feature new examples,
especially more universal app examples.
* Chapter 4 (Browsing the web) will feature reading PDF documents with
Microsoft Edge, turning off single letter navigation commands on the fly
and
elements list improvements.
* Chapter 5 (Apps) will feature new and updated examples.
* Chapters 6 and 7 (Configuration) will feature new settings,
including Windows 10 OCR and many others.
* Chapter 8 (tools) will feature content recognition.
* Chapter 9 (Add-ons) will feature new and updated examples, including
Remote Support add-on.
* Addenda may include a word on ARM64 support, development snapshots
and what not.



Comments are appreciated.

Cheers,

Joseph

OK, 1 make sure the voice is slow enough for new users. Most of the
tutorials I hear on the internet are using voices running way too fast.
 Next, I think that a little time needs to be spent in the snapshot tutorial
about how to use Github without going bald. I am not that thick but I still
find it cluttered and very hard to use.

Is Edge really any better for pdfs than Adobe? The big issue is as we all
know the clueless people who compile them with no tagging of content reading
order changes.

Firefox. Would you be using ESR or attempting to cover the new Quantum
version which even when it can be made to function is still like a duck with
a broken leg. OK in the water but tends to swim in circles a lot!


Also of course I know that you are about to embark in a major  upgrade to
nvda to use a version of Python better able to cope with newer systems, and
this is bound to start throwing unexpected spanners into the air to fall who
knows where for a while, so its a good time to get folk used to diagnosing
and working around any problems by giving them a bit of a lesson in the
logic to find where problems might be etc.
 Just my few penneths worth.
 Brian

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From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2017 4:53 PM
Subject: [nvda] Request for comments: Should I record 2018 edition of
Welcome to NVDA tutorials set?


> Dear global NVDA community,
>
>
>
> After reading recent threads on various NVDA lists and looking at some
> tweets, I find myself asking if I should do it again: record the 2018
> edition of the popular "Welcome to NVDA" tutorials set. The thing is,
> there
> are more superb tutorials out now, including NV Access's own Basic
> Training
> module. I do understand that many folks have come to know NVDA through my
> tutorials and some tutorials used mine as a reference or a guide.
>
>
>
> For reference, the 2015 edition of this tutorials set can be found at:
>
> http://www.josephsl.net/tutorials
>
>
>
> If the community says I should record the 2018 edition, it'll be done with
> some conditions:
>
>
>
> * The tutorial will be based on a combination of 2017.4 and latest
> snapshot features.
> * I'll be using Windows 10 Version 1709 (Fall Creators Update).
> * I will not ask for payment for this set; if you insist on paying me,
> I'd rather ask you to donate to NV Access.
> * If possible, I'll come up with a text transcript and a way for folks
> to provide edits via pull requests on GitHub.
> * I'll be moving away from Internet Explorer for browse mode
> demonstrations, opting for Firefox and Microsoft Edge.
>
>
>
> Below is a list of changes between 2015 and 2018 editions provided you say
> I
> should do it:
>
>
>
> * I'll be using Windows OneCore voices for most speech demos.
> * Chapter 1 (Intro) will be expanded and re-recorded to improve
> recording quality, as well as adding additional information such as
> command
> line switches to start a portable copy after creating one and a note on
> Controlled Folder Access.
> * Chapter 2 (Basics) will go over more touchscreen possibilities, some
> command changes (including copying the contents of status bars) and
> others.
> * Chapter 3 (Objects and object navigation) will feature new examples,
> especially more universal app examples.
> * Chapter 4 (Browsing the web) will feature reading PDF documents with
> Microsoft Edge, turning off single letter navigation commands on the fly
> and
> elements list improvements.
> * Chapter 5 (Apps) will feature new and updated examples.
> * Chapters 6 and 7 (Configuration) will feature new settings,
> including Windows 10 OCR and many others.
> * Chapter 8 (tools) will feature content recognition.
> * Chapter 9 (Add-ons) will feature new and updated examples, including
> Remote Support add-on.
> * Addenda may include a word on ARM64 support, development snapshots
> and what not.
>
>
>
> Comments are appreciated.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Joseph
>
>

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, December 9, 2017 4:37 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Request for comments: Should I record 2018 edition of Welcome to NVDA tutorials set?

 

OK, 1 make sure the voice is slow enough for new users. Most of the
tutorials I hear on the internet are using voices running way too fast.
 Next, I think that a little time needs to be spent in the snapshot tutorial
about how to use Github without going bald. I am not that thick but I still
find it cluttered and very hard to use.

Is Edge really any better for pdfs than Adobe? The big issue is as we all
know the clueless people who compile them with no tagging of content reading
order changes.

Firefox. Would you be using ESR or attempting to cover the new Quantum
version which even when it can be made to function is still like a duck with
a broken leg. OK in the water but tends to swim in circles a lot!


Also of course I know that you are about to embark in a major  upgrade to
nvda to use a version of Python better able to cope with newer systems, and
this is bound to start throwing unexpected spanners into the air to fall who
knows where for a while, so its a good time to get folk used to diagnosing
and working around any problems by giving them a bit of a lesson in the
logic to find where problems might be etc.
 Just my few penneths worth.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2017 4:53 PM
Subject: [nvda] Request for comments: Should I record 2018 edition of
Welcome to NVDA tutorials set?


> Dear global NVDA community,
>
>
>
> After reading recent threads on various NVDA lists and looking at some
> tweets, I find myself asking if I should do it again: record the 2018
> edition of the popular "Welcome to NVDA" tutorials set. The thing is,
> there
> are more superb tutorials out now, including NV Access's own Basic
> Training
> module. I do understand that many folks have come to know NVDA through my
> tutorials and some tutorials used mine as a reference or a guide.
>
>
>
> For reference, the 2015 edition of this tutorials set can be found at:
>
> http://www.josephsl.net/tutorials
>
>
>
> If the community says I should record the 2018 edition, it'll be done with
> some conditions:
>
>
>
> * The tutorial will be based on a combination of 2017.4 and latest
> snapshot features.
> * I'll be using Windows 10 Version 1709 (Fall Creators Update).
> * I will not ask for payment for this set; if you insist on paying me,
> I'd rather ask you to donate to NV Access.
> * If possible, I'll come up with a text transcript and a way for folks
> to provide edits via pull requests on GitHub.
> * I'll be moving away from Internet Explorer for browse mode
> demonstrations, opting for Firefox and Microsoft Edge.
>
>
>
> Below is a list of changes between 2015 and 2018 editions provided you say
> I
> should do it:
>
>
>
> * I'll be using Windows OneCore voices for most speech demos.
> * Chapter 1 (Intro) will be expanded and re-recorded to improve
> recording quality, as well as adding additional information such as
> command
> line switches to start a portable copy after creating one and a note on
> Controlled Folder Access.
> * Chapter 2 (Basics) will go over more touchscreen possibilities, some
> command changes (including copying the contents of status bars) and
> others.
> * Chapter 3 (Objects and object navigation) will feature new examples,
> especially more universal app examples.
> * Chapter 4 (Browsing the web) will feature reading PDF documents with
> Microsoft Edge, turning off single letter navigation commands on the fly
> and
> elements list improvements.
> * Chapter 5 (Apps) will feature new and updated examples.
> * Chapters 6 and 7 (Configuration) will feature new settings,
> including Windows 10 OCR and many others.
> * Chapter 8 (tools) will feature content recognition.
> * Chapter 9 (Add-ons) will feature new and updated examples, including
> Remote Support add-on.
> * Addenda may include a word on ARM64 support, development snapshots
> and what not.
>
>
>
> Comments are appreciated.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Joseph
>
>

On 12/10/17, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:

Hi all, mostly for Brian,

If you want to get a "preview" of what I'm thinking of doing, take a look
at
Windows 10 build series (same website as my current tutorials), especially
the very last one (build 17025). That should give folks an idea as to what
the "tutorial set" could sound like.

Cheers,

Joseph



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, December 9, 2017 4:37 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Request for comments: Should I record 2018 edition of
Welcome to NVDA tutorials set?



I don't think it's a good idea to have the voice be painfully slow, as
accomodating new users might be for more experienced users. I would
suggest
doing what I do in tutorials. I have the speech speak at a good rate for
experienced users, but I repeat things that are said so the inexperienced
listener will know what has been said. I haven't done a tutorial in quite
some time and I don't recall if I say everything or just about everything
the speech says, but I repeat everything as I move through a dialog, a
ribbon, a menu, etc. I repeat everything that matters so users can tell
what they need to know. My system accomodates both new and experienced
synthesized speech users..



Gene

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Welcome to NVDA tutorials set?



OK, 1 make sure the voice is slow enough for new users. Most of the
tutorials I hear on the internet are using voices running way too fast.
Next, I think that a little time needs to be spent in the snapshot
tutorial

about how to use Github without going bald. I am not that thick but I still

find it cluttered and very hard to use.

Is Edge really any better for pdfs than Adobe? The big issue is as we all
know the clueless people who compile them with no tagging of content
reading

order changes.

Firefox. Would you be using ESR or attempting to cover the new Quantum
version which even when it can be made to function is still like a duck
with

a broken leg. OK in the water but tends to swim in circles a lot!


Also of course I know that you are about to embark in a major upgrade to
nvda to use a version of Python better able to cope with newer systems, and

this is bound to start throwing unexpected spanners into the air to fall
who

knows where for a while, so its a good time to get folk used to diagnosing
and working around any problems by giving them a bit of a lesson in the
logic to find where problems might be etc.
Just my few penneths worth.
Brian

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Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2017 4:53 PM
Subject: [nvda] Request for comments: Should I record 2018 edition of
Welcome to NVDA tutorials set?

Dear global NVDA community,



After reading recent threads on various NVDA lists and looking at some
tweets, I find myself asking if I should do it again: record the 2018
edition of the popular "Welcome to NVDA" tutorials set. The thing is,
there
are more superb tutorials out now, including NV Access's own Basic
Training
module. I do understand that many folks have come to know NVDA through my
tutorials and some tutorials used mine as a reference or a guide.



For reference, the 2015 edition of this tutorials set can be found at:

http://www.josephsl.net/tutorials



If the community says I should record the 2018 edition, it'll be done
with
some conditions:



* The tutorial will be based on a combination of 2017.4 and latest
snapshot features.
* I'll be using Windows 10 Version 1709 (Fall Creators Update).
* I will not ask for payment for this set; if you insist on paying me,
I'd rather ask you to donate to NV Access.
* If possible, I'll come up with a text transcript and a way for folks
to provide edits via pull requests on GitHub.
* I'll be moving away from Internet Explorer for browse mode
demonstrations, opting for Firefox and Microsoft Edge.



Below is a list of changes between 2015 and 2018 editions provided you
say

I
should do it:



* I'll be using Windows OneCore voices for most speech demos.
* Chapter 1 (Intro) will be expanded and re-recorded to improve
recording quality, as well as adding additional information such as
command
line switches to start a portable copy after creating one and a note on
Controlled Folder Access.
* Chapter 2 (Basics) will go over more touchscreen possibilities, some
command changes (including copying the contents of status bars) and
others.
* Chapter 3 (Objects and object navigation) will feature new examples,
especially more universal app examples.
* Chapter 4 (Browsing the web) will feature reading PDF documents with
Microsoft Edge, turning off single letter navigation commands on the fly
and
elements list improvements.
* Chapter 5 (Apps) will feature new and updated examples.
* Chapters 6 and 7 (Configuration) will feature new settings,
including Windows 10 OCR and many others.
* Chapter 8 (tools) will feature content recognition.
* Chapter 9 (Add-ons) will feature new and updated examples, including
Remote Support add-on.
* Addenda may include a word on ARM64 support, development snapshots
and what not.



Comments are appreciated.

Cheers,

Joseph