Hi Brian:

I don't think that we exist on the radar of a lot of antivirus makers,
yet, if it has to be a choice between makihng it more accessible and
making it more secure, which would you choose?

Kevin Huber

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Yup, a friend of mine says the core part of it is protected so well that
screenreaders cannot actually get at the controls or menus.
Increasingly, anti virus makers are doing this, probably for legitimate
reasons of stopping them getting hacked but nobody seems to have thought
about us. Surely a simple self voicing uninstaller using the built in
Microsoft voice would be all that was needed.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Kuzma via Groups.Io" <rmkuzma=aol.com@groups.io>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 11:54 AM
Subject: [nvda] removing avg

Good morning,

For what it is worth,

I had trouble removing avg as well and had to get sighted help.

Which is really sad.

I want to be as secure as fort nox just like the next guy, but I don't want to be dictated to, have non accessible systems, have a screwed up box because of it, have no control bar a reformat, etc, etc, etc.

Now msse, crappy security but I can control it.

Why can I control crap software but not good software.

I don't understand at all.

And its why I am never going to use good security software even if it is accessible because I have done that to many times and then boom its changed without reason and bang back down I go.

As a result I no longer trust any security software previder with my life.

They don't serve me, so I don't serve them.

A reformat fixes everything, they make it impossible for me to use their interface and thats where we are.




On 12/12/2017 6:26 a.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:

Being fair, its actually not so bad, but if you cannot control it due to its inaccessibility then its really not for blind people.
I still find it astounding that so many pieces of software in mass use just do not consider blind users. as an aging population more and more computer users of today will as they age lose their sight and expect to be able to use their software, but it seems that it s just not happening.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Angela Delicata" <angeladelicata@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 1:27 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] removing avg

unfortunately, i think this will be the case for me as well because it seems like a cancer on my pc, it won't remove: it has taken control over my emails too: really garbage software.

thank you again for your kind replies.

Ciao!

Angela from Italy




Il 11/12/2017 12:54, Richard Kuzma via Groups.Io ha scritto:

Good morning,

For what it is worth,

I had trouble removing avg as well and had to get sighted help.






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Being fair, its actually not so bad, but if you cannot control it due to its inaccessibility then its really not for blind people.
I still find it astounding that so many pieces of software in mass use just do not consider blind users. as an aging population more and more computer users of today will as they age lose their sight and expect to be able to use their software, but it seems that  it s just not happening.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Angela Delicata" <angeladelicata@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 1:27 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] removing avg

unfortunately, i think this will be the case for me as well because it seems like a cancer on my pc, it won't remove: it has taken control over my emails too: really garbage software.

thank you again for your kind replies.

Ciao!

Angela from Italy




Il 11/12/2017 12:54, Richard Kuzma via Groups.Io ha scritto:

Good morning,

For what it is worth,

I had trouble removing avg as well and had to get sighted help.






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Questa email è stata esaminata alla ricerca di virus da AVG.
http://www.avg.com

.

Yup, a friend of mine says the core part of it is protected so well that screenreaders cannot actually get at the controls or menus.
Increasingly, anti virus makers are doing this, probably for legitimate reasons of stopping them getting hacked but nobody seems to have thought about us. Surely a simple self voicing uninstaller using the built in Microsoft voice would be all that was needed.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Kuzma via Groups.Io" <rmkuzma=aol.com@groups.io>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 11:54 AM
Subject: [nvda] removing avg

Good morning,

For what it is worth,

I had trouble removing avg as well and had to get sighted help.

.

Being fair, its actually not so bad, but if you cannot control it due to its inaccessibility then its really not for blind people.
I still find it astounding that so many pieces of software in mass use just do not consider blind users. as an aging population more and more computer users of today will as they age lose their sight and expect to be able to use their software, but it seems that  it s just not happening.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Angela Delicata" <angeladelicata@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 1:27 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] removing avg

unfortunately, i think this will be the case for me as well because it seems like a cancer on my pc, it won't remove: it has taken control over my emails too: really garbage software.

thank you again for your kind replies.

Ciao!

Angela from Italy




Il 11/12/2017 12:54, Richard Kuzma via Groups.Io ha scritto:

Good morning,

For what it is worth,

I had trouble removing avg as well and had to get sighted help.






---
Questa email è stata esaminata alla ricerca di virus da AVG.
http://www.avg.com

unfortunately, i think this will be the case for me as well because it seems like a cancer on my pc, it won't remove: it has taken control over my emails too: really garbage software.

thank you again for your kind replies.

Ciao!

Angela from Italy




Il 11/12/2017 12:54, Richard Kuzma via Groups.Io ha scritto:

Good morning,

For what it is worth,

I had trouble removing avg as well and had to get sighted help.






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Questa email è stata esaminata alla ricerca di virus da AVG.
http://www.avg.com

Good morning,

For what it is worth,

I had trouble removing avg as well and had to get sighted help.

Good morning,

For what it is worth,

I had trouble removing avg as well and had to get sighted help.






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Questa email è stata esaminata alla ricerca di virus da AVG.
http://www.avg.com