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speaking commands

Grant Metcalf
 

I am hoping that sometime soon the NVDA developers will have NVDA speak commands such as “control-save”. I am always in doubt if I have been able to save the file I am working on. Mostly I use the text editor Notepad and very occasionally Wordpad for “RTF” files. Granpa DOS would appreciate all efforts the developers would exert toward making the very basic commands speak!
Cordially yours.
 
Listening for HIS shout!
Grant Metcalf
 
Aschalew Byness
 

you can use 'nvda extention global add-on'. it has wonderful features
including speaking of commands. it is a private add-on though.

On 6/23/20, Grant Metcalf <the.gems@att.net> wrote:
I am hoping that sometime soon the NVDA developers will have NVDA speak
commands such as “control-save”. I am always in doubt if I have been able to
save the file I am working on. Mostly I use the text editor Notepad and very
occasionally Wordpad for “RTF” files. Granpa DOS would appreciate all
efforts the developers would exert toward making the very basic commands
speak!
Cordially yours.

Listening for HIS shout!
Grant Metcalf
Quentin Christensen
 

If you press NVDA+4, or toggle "Speak command keys" in NVDA's keyboard settings, it will speak keys such as ENTER or CONTROL+S.

NVDA doesn't automatically know that CONTROL+S is save, so it generally won't automatically announce that, however if the keystroke brings up something like a save dialog, then that would be announced (for instance the first time you press control+s in a new document in Word).

Not directly related to control+s, but there is a "clipspeak" add-on which will report the functions of some keys such as control+c (Copy) and control+v (paste) where they perform those functions: https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/clipspeak.en.html

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 12:17 PM Grant Metcalf <the.gems@...> wrote:
I am hoping that sometime soon the NVDA developers will have NVDA speak commands such as “control-save”. I am always in doubt if I have been able to save the file I am working on. Mostly I use the text editor Notepad and very occasionally Wordpad for “RTF” files. Granpa DOS would appreciate all efforts the developers would exert toward making the very basic commands speak!
Cordially yours.
 
Listening for HIS shout!
Grant Metcalf
 



--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager
Chris Mullins
 

                Hi Grant

There is already a setting in NVDA which enables the speaking of commands, it is NVDA+4 on the number row.  If you use Notepad with Windows 10, there is a handy little feature which indicates if you have made any unsaved changes to the file you are working with.  If you press NVDA+t to speak the window title, you may hear the word “star” spoken before the title text is read.  This is because Notepad puts an asterisk on the title bar if the related file contains unsaved changes.  This asterisk is not present if the file does not contain unsaved changes.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

 

From: Aschalew Byness
Sent: 23 June 2020 03:40
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] speaking commands

 

you can use 'nvda extention global add-on'.  it has wonderful features

including speaking of commands. it is a private add-on though.

 

On 6/23/20, Grant Metcalf <the.gems@...> wrote:

> I am hoping that sometime soon the NVDA developers will have NVDA speak

> commands such as “control-save”. I am always in doubt if I have been able to

> save the file I am working on. Mostly I use the text editor Notepad and very

> occasionally Wordpad for “RTF” files. Granpa DOS would appreciate all

> efforts the developers would exert toward making the very basic commands

> speak!

> Cordially yours.

> 

> Listening for HIS shout!

> Grant Metcalf

> 

>

> 

> 

 

 

 
Rui Fontes
 

Quentin, have you already tried to work with NVDA in those conditions?


NVDA needs, urgently, a way to filter some keypresses from being announced...


See issues #5484, #5608 and many more...


Rui Fontes



Às 04:34 de 23/06/2020, Quentin Christensen escreveu:

If you press NVDA+4, or toggle "Speak command keys" in NVDA's keyboard settings, it will speak keys such as ENTER or CONTROL+S.

NVDA doesn't automatically know that CONTROL+S is save, so it generally won't automatically announce that, however if the keystroke brings up something like a save dialog, then that would be announced (for instance the first time you press control+s in a new document in Word).

Not directly related to control+s, but there is a "clipspeak" add-on which will report the functions of some keys such as control+c (Copy) and control+v (paste) where they perform those functions: https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/clipspeak.en.html

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 12:17 PM Grant Metcalf <the.gems@...> wrote:
I am hoping that sometime soon the NVDA developers will have NVDA speak commands such as “control-save”. I am always in doubt if I have been able to save the file I am working on. Mostly I use the text editor Notepad and very occasionally Wordpad for “RTF” files. Granpa DOS would appreciate all efforts the developers would exert toward making the very basic commands speak!
Cordially yours.
 
Listening for HIS shout!
Grant Metcalf
 


--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager
Quentin Christensen
 

Rui,

There has been discussion on this: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6553

Much of the issue is that everyone has different ideas on the best way forward for this.  If anyone has new ideas, then do, please comment on that issue.

Quentin.

On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 9:12 PM Rui Fontes <rui.fontes@...> wrote:

Quentin, have you already tried to work with NVDA in those conditions?


NVDA needs, urgently, a way to filter some keypresses from being announced...


See issues #5484, #5608 and many more...


Rui Fontes



Às 04:34 de 23/06/2020, Quentin Christensen escreveu:
If you press NVDA+4, or toggle "Speak command keys" in NVDA's keyboard settings, it will speak keys such as ENTER or CONTROL+S.

NVDA doesn't automatically know that CONTROL+S is save, so it generally won't automatically announce that, however if the keystroke brings up something like a save dialog, then that would be announced (for instance the first time you press control+s in a new document in Word).

Not directly related to control+s, but there is a "clipspeak" add-on which will report the functions of some keys such as control+c (Copy) and control+v (paste) where they perform those functions: https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/clipspeak.en.html

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 12:17 PM Grant Metcalf <the.gems@...> wrote:
I am hoping that sometime soon the NVDA developers will have NVDA speak commands such as “control-save”. I am always in doubt if I have been able to save the file I am working on. Mostly I use the text editor Notepad and very occasionally Wordpad for “RTF” files. Granpa DOS would appreciate all efforts the developers would exert toward making the very basic commands speak!
Cordially yours.
 
Listening for HIS shout!
Grant Metcalf
 


--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager



--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager
Rui Fontes
 

Hello!


Have you seen the implementation made by paulber in his add-on NVDAExtensionGlobalPlugin?


I have already gave suggestions in this issue.

Reading the issue, most people agree that arrow keys should be treated differently from other command keys...


And one of my suggestions have benn backed up by two or three other participants in the issue...


Regards,


Rui Fontes

NVDA portuguese team


Rui Fontes

NVDA portuguese team



Às 00:17 de 24/06/2020, Quentin Christensen escreveu:

Rui,

There has been discussion on this: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6553

Much of the issue is that everyone has different ideas on the best way forward for this.  If anyone has new ideas, then do, please comment on that issue.

Quentin.

On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 9:12 PM Rui Fontes <rui.fontes@...> wrote:

Quentin, have you already tried to work with NVDA in those conditions?


NVDA needs, urgently, a way to filter some keypresses from being announced...


See issues #5484, #5608 and many more...


Rui Fontes



Às 04:34 de 23/06/2020, Quentin Christensen escreveu:
If you press NVDA+4, or toggle "Speak command keys" in NVDA's keyboard settings, it will speak keys such as ENTER or CONTROL+S.

NVDA doesn't automatically know that CONTROL+S is save, so it generally won't automatically announce that, however if the keystroke brings up something like a save dialog, then that would be announced (for instance the first time you press control+s in a new document in Word).

Not directly related to control+s, but there is a "clipspeak" add-on which will report the functions of some keys such as control+c (Copy) and control+v (paste) where they perform those functions: https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/clipspeak.en.html

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 12:17 PM Grant Metcalf <the.gems@...> wrote:
I am hoping that sometime soon the NVDA developers will have NVDA speak commands such as “control-save”. I am always in doubt if I have been able to save the file I am working on. Mostly I use the text editor Notepad and very occasionally Wordpad for “RTF” files. Granpa DOS would appreciate all efforts the developers would exert toward making the very basic commands speak!
Cordially yours.
 
Listening for HIS shout!
Grant Metcalf
 


--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager



--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager
David Griffith
 

 

I agree absolutely – it never made any sense at all to me that people who needed assistance with locating control keys would inevitably also have similar problems locating and using the routine cursor keys.

It seemed a bizarre design assumption from the  first to compel noisy feedback from every push of a cursor key if you wanted to  avail yourself of reassurance with the use of a control key like alt or control etc.

David Griffith

David Griffith

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Rui Fontes
Sent: 24 June 2020 01:28
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] speaking commands

 

Hello!

 

Have you seen the implementation made by paulber in his add-on NVDAExtensionGlobalPlugin?

 

I have already gave suggestions in this issue.

Reading the issue, most people agree that arrow keys should be treated differently from other command keys...

 

And one of my suggestions have benn backed up by two or three other participants in the issue...

 

Regards,

 

Rui Fontes

NVDA portuguese team

 

Rui Fontes

NVDA portuguese team

 

 

Às 00:17 de 24/06/2020, Quentin Christensen escreveu:

Rui,

 

There has been discussion on this: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6553

 

Much of the issue is that everyone has different ideas on the best way forward for this.  If anyone has new ideas, then do, please comment on that issue.

 

Quentin.

 

On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 9:12 PM Rui Fontes <rui.fontes@...> wrote:

Quentin, have you already tried to work with NVDA in those conditions?

 

NVDA needs, urgently, a way to filter some keypresses from being announced...

 

See issues #5484, #5608 and many more..

 

Rui Fontes

 

 

Às 04:34 de 23/06/2020, Quentin Christensen escreveu:

If you press NVDA+4, or toggle "Speak command keys" in NVDA's keyboard settings, it will speak keys such as ENTER or CONTROL+S.

 

NVDA doesn't automatically know that CONTROL+S is save, so it generally won't automatically announce that, however if the keystroke brings up something like a save dialog, then that would be announced (for instance the first time you press control+s in a new document in Word).

 

Not directly related to control+s, but there is a "clipspeak" add-on which will report the functions of some keys such as control+c (Copy) and control+v (paste) where they perform those functions: https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/clipspeak.en.html

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 12:17 PM Grant Metcalf <the.gems@...> wrote:

I am hoping that sometime soon the NVDA developers will have NVDA speak commands such as “control-save”. I am always in doubt if I have been able to save the file I am working on. Mostly I use the text editor Notepad and very occasionally Wordpad for “RTF” files. Granpa DOS would appreciate all efforts the developers would exert toward making the very basic commands speak!

Cordially yours.

 

Listening for HIS shout!

Grant Metcalf

 

 

 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 

 

 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 

 
Rui Fontes
 

And, it is not so difficult to implement my suggestion:

1 - Typable keys, including letters, numbers, accents, like accut, grabv, tilde, circunflex, diaresis and so on, and enter;

2 - Arrow keys;

3 - Command keys, all other keys.


After that, close all tickets about this.

If after that, someone reopens or create new tickets, the solution can be evaluated again...


Rui Fontes

NVDA portuguese team



Às 15:05 de 24/06/2020, David Griffith escreveu:

 

I agree absolutely – it never made any sense at all to me that people who needed assistance with locating control keys would inevitably also have similar problems locating and using the routine cursor keys.

It seemed a bizarre design assumption from the  first to compel noisy feedback from every push of a cursor key if you wanted to  avail yourself of reassurance with the use of a control key like alt or control etc.

David Griffith

David Griffith

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Rui Fontes
Sent: 24 June 2020 01:28
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] speaking commands

 

Hello!

 

Have you seen the implementation made by paulber in his add-on NVDAExtensionGlobalPlugin?

 

I have already gave suggestions in this issue.

Reading the issue, most people agree that arrow keys should be treated differently from other command keys...

 

And one of my suggestions have benn backed up by two or three other participants in the issue...

 

Regards,

 

Rui Fontes

NVDA portuguese team

 

Rui Fontes

NVDA portuguese team

 

 

Às 00:17 de 24/06/2020, Quentin Christensen escreveu:

Rui,

 

There has been discussion on this: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6553

 

Much of the issue is that everyone has different ideas on the best way forward for this.  If anyone has new ideas, then do, please comment on that issue.

 

Quentin.

 

On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 9:12 PM Rui Fontes <rui.fontes@...> wrote:

Quentin, have you already tried to work with NVDA in those conditions?

 

NVDA needs, urgently, a way to filter some keypresses from being announced...

 

See issues #5484, #5608 and many more..

 

Rui Fontes

 

 

Às 04:34 de 23/06/2020, Quentin Christensen escreveu:

If you press NVDA+4, or toggle "Speak command keys" in NVDA's keyboard settings, it will speak keys such as ENTER or CONTROL+S.

 

NVDA doesn't automatically know that CONTROL+S is save, so it generally won't automatically announce that, however if the keystroke brings up something like a save dialog, then that would be announced (for instance the first time you press control+s in a new document in Word).

 

Not directly related to control+s, but there is a "clipspeak" add-on which will report the functions of some keys such as control+c (Copy) and control+v (paste) where they perform those functions: https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/clipspeak.en.html

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 12:17 PM Grant Metcalf <the.gems@...> wrote:

I am hoping that sometime soon the NVDA developers will have NVDA speak commands such as “control-save”. I am always in doubt if I have been able to save the file I am working on. Mostly I use the text editor Notepad and very occasionally Wordpad for “RTF” files. Granpa DOS would appreciate all efforts the developers would exert toward making the very basic commands speak!

Cordially yours.

 

Listening for HIS shout!

Grant Metcalf

 

 

 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 

 

 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 

 
Jonathan COHN
 

That was a nice feature of WindowEyes, one could create side effects for keys bound to a function, so that either prior to or after the primary function ran, other events could occur including speaking or routing focus to the best place. This was a menu driven type system, that required no programming skills to implement.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Date: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 at 10:19 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] speaking commands

External email alert: Be wary of links & attachments.

And, it is not so difficult to implement my suggestion:

1 - Typable keys, including letters, numbers, accents, like accut, grabv, tilde, circunflex, diaresis and so on, and enter;

2 - Arrow keys;

3 - Command keys, all other keys.

 

After that, close all tickets about this.

If after that, someone reopens or create new tickets, the solution can be evaluated again...

 

Rui Fontes

NVDA portuguese team

 

 

Às 15:05 de 24/06/2020, David Griffith escreveu:

 

I agree absolutely – it never made any sense at all to me that people who needed assistance with locating control keys would inevitably also have similar problems locating and using the routine cursor keys.

It seemed a bizarre design assumption from the  first to compel noisy feedback from every push of a cursor key if you wanted to  avail yourself of reassurance with the use of a control key like alt or control etc.

David Griffith

David Griffith

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Rui Fontes
Sent: 24 June 2020 01:28
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] speaking commands

 

Hello!

 

Have you seen the implementation made by paulber in his add-on NVDAExtensionGlobalPlugin?

 

I have already gave suggestions in this issue.

Reading the issue, most people agree that arrow keys should be treated differently from other command keys...

 

And one of my suggestions have benn backed up by two or three other participants in the issue...

 

Regards,

 

Rui Fontes

NVDA portuguese team

 

Rui Fontes

NVDA portuguese team

 

 

Às 00:17 de 24/06/2020, Quentin Christensen escreveu:

Rui,

 

There has been discussion on this: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6553

 

Much of the issue is that everyone has different ideas on the best way forward for this.  If anyone has new ideas, then do, please comment on that issue.

 

Quentin.

 

On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 9:12 PM Rui Fontes <rui.fontes@...> wrote:

Quentin, have you already tried to work with NVDA in those conditions?

 

NVDA needs, urgently, a way to filter some keypresses from being announced...

 

See issues #5484, #5608 and many more..

 

Rui Fontes

 

 

Às 04:34 de 23/06/2020, Quentin Christensen escreveu:

If you press NVDA+4, or toggle "Speak command keys" in NVDA's keyboard settings, it will speak keys such as ENTER or CONTROL+S.

 

NVDA doesn't automatically know that CONTROL+S is save, so it generally won't automatically announce that, however if the keystroke brings up something like a save dialog, then that would be announced (for instance the first time you press control+s in a new document in Word).

 

Not directly related to control+s, but there is a "clipspeak" add-on which will report the functions of some keys such as control+c (Copy) and control+v (paste) where they perform those functions: https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/clipspeak.en.html

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 12:17 PM Grant Metcalf <the.gems@...> wrote:

I am hoping that sometime soon the NVDA developers will have NVDA speak commands such as “control-save”. I am always in doubt if I have been able to save the file I am working on. Mostly I use the text editor Notepad and very occasionally Wordpad for “RTF” files. Granpa DOS would appreciate all efforts the developers would exert toward making the very basic commands speak!

Cordially yours.

 

Listening for HIS shout!

Grant Metcalf

 

 

 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 

 

 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 

 
Gene
 

JAWS has the same sort of abilities working in What it calls frames. If you issue a defined command in a frame, you can designate that all sorts of actions follow and the order in which they occur.

I have never seen an explanation of why NVDA doesn't have such a system. There may be technical reasons but NVDA will never meet many users' needs as well as JAWS unless it has the ability for user definable functions of this sort.

There are many times when more advanced users or those working with users need to define such behaviors and can't. While NVDA meets a lot of users' needs now, this is a serious deficiency.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Jonathan COHN
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 10:02 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] speaking commands



That was a nice feature of WindowEyes, one could create side effects for keys bound to a function, so that either prior to or after the primary function ran, other events could occur including speaking or routing focus to the best place. This was a menu driven type system, that required no programming skills to implement.







From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Date: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 at 10:19 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] speaking commands



External email alert: Be wary of links & attachments.



And, it is not so difficult to implement my suggestion:

1 - Typable keys, including letters, numbers, accents, like accut, grabv, tilde, circunflex, diaresis and so on, and enter;

2 - Arrow keys;

3 - Command keys, all other keys.



After that, close all tickets about this.

If after that, someone reopens or create new tickets, the solution can be evaluated again...



Rui Fontes

NVDA portuguese team







Às 15:05 de 24/06/2020, David Griffith escreveu:





I agree absolutely – it never made any sense at all to me that people who needed assistance with locating control keys would inevitably also have similar problems locating and using the routine cursor keys.

It seemed a bizarre design assumption from the first to compel noisy feedback from every push of a cursor key if you wanted to avail yourself of reassurance with the use of a control key like alt or control etc.

David Griffith

David Griffith





Sent from Mail for Windows 10





From: Rui Fontes
Sent: 24 June 2020 01:28
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] speaking commands





Hello!



Have you seen the implementation made by paulber in his add-on NVDAExtensionGlobalPlugin?



I have already gave suggestions in this issue.

Reading the issue, most people agree that arrow keys should be treated differently from other command keys...



And one of my suggestions have benn backed up by two or three other participants in the issue...



Regards,



Rui Fontes

NVDA portuguese team



Rui Fontes

NVDA portuguese team







Às 00:17 de 24/06/2020, Quentin Christensen escreveu:



Rui,







There has been discussion on this: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6553







Much of the issue is that everyone has different ideas on the best way forward for this. If anyone has new ideas, then do, please comment on that issue.







Quentin.







On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 9:12 PM Rui Fontes <rui.fontes@tiflotecnia.com> wrote:



Quentin, have you already tried to work with NVDA in those conditions?



NVDA needs, urgently, a way to filter some keypresses from being announced...



See issues #5484, #5608 and many more..



Rui Fontes







Às 04:34 de 23/06/2020, Quentin Christensen escreveu:



If you press NVDA+4, or toggle "Speak command keys" in NVDA's keyboard settings, it will speak keys such as ENTER or CONTROL+S.







NVDA doesn't automatically know that CONTROL+S is save, so it generally won't automatically announce that, however if the keystroke brings up something like a save dialog, then that would be announced (for instance the first time you press control+s in a new document in Word).







Not directly related to control+s, but there is a "clipspeak" add-on which will report the functions of some keys such as control+c (Copy) and control+v (paste) where they perform those functions: https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/clipspeak.en.html







Kind regards







Quentin.







On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 12:17 PM Grant Metcalf <the.gems@att.net> wrote:



I am hoping that sometime soon the NVDA developers will have NVDA speak commands such as “control-save”. I am always in doubt if I have been able to save the file I am working on. Mostly I use the text editor Notepad and very occasionally Wordpad for “RTF” files. Granpa DOS would appreciate all efforts the developers would exert toward making the very basic commands speak!



Cordially yours.







Listening for HIS shout!



Grant Metcalf















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Quentin Christensen
 

I'd reiterate again that the best place for these suggestions is the GitHub issue: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6553 - conversation here is important for fleshing out these ideas, but issues like the one I linked to, are what changes to the code will be based on, so please do reiterate the ideas agreed upon here in that issue so they don't get lost.

Quentin.

On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 5:04 AM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
JAWS has the same sort of abilities working in What it calls frames.  If you
issue a defined command in a frame, you can designate that all sorts of
actions follow and the order in which they occur.

I have never seen an explanation of why NVDA doesn't have such a system.
There may be technical reasons but NVDA will never meet many users' needs as
well as JAWS unless it has the ability for user definable functions of this
sort.

There are many times when more advanced users or those working with users
need to define such behaviors and can't.  While NVDA meets a lot of users'
needs now, this is a serious deficiency.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Jonathan COHN
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 10:02 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] speaking commands



That was a nice feature of WindowEyes, one could create side effects for
keys bound to a function, so that either prior to or after the primary
function ran, other events could occur including speaking or routing focus
to the best place. This was a menu driven type system, that required no
programming skills to implement.







From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Date: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 at 10:19 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] speaking commands



External email alert: Be wary of links & attachments.



And, it is not so difficult to implement my suggestion:

1 - Typable keys, including letters, numbers, accents, like accut, grabv,
tilde, circunflex, diaresis and so on, and enter;

2 - Arrow keys;

3 - Command keys, all other keys.



After that, close all tickets about this.

If after that, someone reopens or create new tickets, the solution can be
evaluated again...



Rui Fontes

NVDA portuguese team







Às 15:05 de 24/06/2020, David Griffith escreveu:





I agree absolutely – it never made any sense at all to me that people who
needed assistance with locating control keys would inevitably also have
similar problems locating and using the routine cursor keys.

It seemed a bizarre design assumption from the  first to compel noisy
feedback from every push of a cursor key if you wanted to  avail yourself of
reassurance with the use of a control key like alt or control etc.

David Griffith

David Griffith





Sent from Mail for Windows 10





From: Rui Fontes
Sent: 24 June 2020 01:28
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] speaking commands





Hello!



Have you seen the implementation made by paulber in his add-on
NVDAExtensionGlobalPlugin?



I have already gave suggestions in this issue.

Reading the issue, most people agree that arrow keys should be treated
differently from other command keys...



And one of my suggestions have benn backed up by two or three other
participants in the issue...



Regards,



Rui Fontes

NVDA portuguese team



Rui Fontes

NVDA portuguese team







Às 00:17 de 24/06/2020, Quentin Christensen escreveu:



Rui,







There has been discussion on this:
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6553







Much of the issue is that everyone has different ideas on the best way
forward for this.  If anyone has new ideas, then do, please comment on that
issue.







Quentin.







On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 9:12 PM Rui Fontes <rui.fontes@...>
wrote:



Quentin, have you already tried to work with NVDA in those conditions?



NVDA needs, urgently, a way to filter some keypresses from being
announced...



See issues #5484, #5608 and many more..



Rui Fontes







Às 04:34 de 23/06/2020, Quentin Christensen escreveu:



If you press NVDA+4, or toggle "Speak command keys" in NVDA's keyboard
settings, it will speak keys such as ENTER or CONTROL+S.







NVDA doesn't automatically know that CONTROL+S is save, so it generally
won't automatically announce that, however if the keystroke brings up
something like a save dialog, then that would be announced (for instance the
first time you press control+s in a new document in Word).







Not directly related to control+s, but there is a "clipspeak" add-on which
will report the functions of some keys such as control+c (Copy) and
control+v (paste) where they perform those functions:
https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/clipspeak.en.html







Kind regards







Quentin.







On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 12:17 PM Grant Metcalf <the.gems@...> wrote:



I am hoping that sometime soon the NVDA developers will have NVDA speak
commands such as “control-save”. I am always in doubt if I have been able to
save the file I am working on. Mostly I use the text editor Notepad and very
occasionally Wordpad for “RTF” files. Granpa DOS would appreciate all
efforts the developers would exert toward making the very basic commands
speak!



Cordially yours.







Listening for HIS shout!



Grant Metcalf















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