I know that each of you are being very patient with my questions. I appreciate that.

Guidelines say that blind-friendly places information about a graphic prior to the graphic. But, the software I use put the caption for the graphic in an HTML caption tag, which places it under or after the graphic. Are they equivalent or is one better than the other?

Tonea

I know that each of you are being very patient with my questions. I
appreciate that.

Guidelines say that blind-friendly places information about a graphic prior
to the graphic. But, the software I use put the caption for the graphic in
an HTML caption tag, which places it under or after the graphic. Are they
equivalent or is one better than the other?

Tonea

It could be helpful if you let us know which guidelines you are working with
(the ones which "say that blind-friendly places information...").

Incidentally, I very strongly agree with Joseph Lee's recommendation that you
ask your employer to install (or let you install) NVDA on your machine. If
you are trying to create accessible materials in your job, you need an
accessibility tool to let you know whether you're getting it right.

After all, would they ask you to create HTML pages without providing you with
a browser to view them in?


Antony.

On Tuesday 12 December 2017 at 18:43:55, tonea.ctr.morrow@faa.gov wrote:

I know that each of you are being very patient with my questions. I
appreciate that.

Guidelines say that blind-friendly places information about a graphic prior
to the graphic. But, the software I use put the caption for the graphic in
an HTML caption tag, which places it under or after the graphic. Are they
equivalent or is one better than the other?

Tonea

--
"Remember: the S in IoT stands for Security."

- Jan-Piet Mens

Please reply to the list;
please *don't* CC me.

If the texts are to be packaged as PDF it becomes even more important to have a screenreader as tagging the reading order through a document is very very important.

Brian

I went through the approved list of software and found JAWS and Window Eyes and Zoom Text. I know I won’t get JAWS because it is too expensive. You really, really have to justify that much money.

 

I did put in a request for NVDA on the chance that my copy of approved software is outdated. If it isn’t approved, it doesn’t matter if it is free.

 

We’ll see what comes of things.

 

Tonea

 

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 12:18 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Caption location

 

If the texts are to be packaged as PDF it becomes even more important to have a screenreader as tagging the reading order through a document is very very important.

Brian

 

I went through the approved list of software and found JAWS and Window Eyes and Zoom Text. I know I won’t get JAWS because it is too expensive. You really, really have to justify that much money.

I did put in a request for NVDA on the chance that my copy of approved software is outdated. If it isn’t approved, it doesn’t matter if it is free.

We’ll see what comes of things.

Tonea

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 12:18 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Caption location

If the texts are to be packaged as PDF it becomes even more important to have a screenreader as tagging the reading order through a document is very very important.

Brian

Virus-free. www.avast.com

well, window-eyes is no longer available and Zoomtext is more of a magnification program although it does have some screen reading capability although it is somewhat limited.

However, these changes are recent and big orgs move slowly so this might still be the approved list!

Hope not.

Contact me on skype: brian.moore

follow me on twitter:

http://www.twitter.com/bmoore123

I went through the approved list of software and found JAWS and Window Eyes and Zoom Text. I know I won’t get JAWS because it is too expensive. You really, really have to justify that much money.

 

I did put in a request for NVDA on the chance that my copy of approved software is outdated. If it isn’t approved, it doesn’t matter if it is free.

 

We’ll see what comes of things.

 

Tonea

 

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 12:18 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Caption location

 

If the texts are to be packaged as PDF it becomes even more important to have a screenreader as tagging the reading order through a document is very very important.

Brian

 

Virus-free. www.avast.com

I went through the approved list of software and found JAWS and Window Eyes
and Zoom Text. I know I won't get JAWS because it is too expensive. You
really, really have to justify that much money.

I did put in a request for NVDA on the chance that my copy of approved
software is outdated. If it isn't approved, it doesn't matter if it is
free.

We'll see what comes of things.


Tonea

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 3:27 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Caption location

Is it more likely that you could use a portable version of NVDA than the installed version?  You can run it portable not even on the machine, but on a thumb drive.  Doing that may be against policy, but I want to bring up all possibilities.

Gene

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Giles Turnbull
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 4:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Caption location

Hello tonea,

I understand that you're not allowed to install NVDA or JAWS on your work computer without approval from the IT department but, assuming you have your own personal computer at home, have you not thought of installing NVDA on it, just to get a feel for how screen reading software works? Alternatively, could you not arrange a half day visit to a vision rehab training center and ask them to show you JAWS or NVDA in use, and demonstrate how a user can switch the verbocity of punctuation symbols and what effect that has? On your home computer you could try creating a dummy document with parentheses, for example, to see how NVDA reads them, and you would find many people on this list only too happy to tell you where to find the setting to switch symbol level from all to most to some and then to none.

Why not install NVDA at home and then look at your department's public website and read the webpages and PDF file downloads and find out how a visually impaired person using NVDA would experience them? I've worked as a sighted Civil Servant for the Department of Transport in London, and as a blind person on a contract for the Environmental Protection Agency in the US, and I must say it's heartwarming to see somebody so keen to understand how blind and visually impaired people experience the world in which you work :)

Giles