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brian <sackriderbrian45@...>
Sound when a web page is loaded I do think that it
would be a good idea to have a sound when a page has been loaded.
Sighted people can see at a glance when a page is loaded so why
should we have to check the long way. If you have internet that
constantly drops out and comes you want to know if your page is
loading and when it's loaded. The webie brouser has this
feature. It plays a ticking sound when a page is loading and you
hear a ding when the page is loaded. You can turn this off in the
options menu. I don't always use it butit's there if I want to
use it. Also you could have nvda read the progress of pages
loading this could be an option in the preferences menu.
Brian Sackrider
On 12/13/2017 1:51 PM, Gene wrote:
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You can't navigate a page until
it fully loads. Sounds may be nice but this is important for
blind Internet users to understand, with or without sounds.
And if you move to the address bar and tab around that area,
you will see an item that tells you that a page is loading if
it still is. I have nothing against a sound that tells you if
a page is loading, but these are still things people should
know. I don't trust notifications to always be accurate.
People should be able to check what is going on aside from
something like a sound if there is a way.
Gene
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Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 12:20 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to read a popup window on
a web page
This is exactly why I use Navigational sounds in the old version
of Firefox.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Rusty Perez" <rustys.lists@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 7:41 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to read a popup window on a web page
Well, I think I figured it out.
This site is sometimes glitchy and loads slowly on my machine.
I tried it again just now. The page loaded up and I am now able to
find the song lyrics just by navigating by headings.
I think that before, I was trying to navigate to the lyrics before
they were actually loaded on to the page.
When my wife was looking, I guess maybe I didn't try headings at
that time.
Rusty
On 12/12/17, Rusty Perez <rustys.lists@...>
wrote:
> Hey Hermann,
> Thanks!
> the site is
> frettie.com
>
>
> There will be songs available when you first go to the page.
> Search for the word "play" and you should find some songs to
check
> out. Press enter on a song name to bring up a page dedicated
to the
> song. Then search for the "lyrics" link.
>
> Thanks!
> Rusty
>
> On 12/12/17, Hermann-Josef Kurzen <ymh005@...>
wrote:
>> Hey Rusty,
>>
>> to which site for songwriters are You subscribed?
>> I am using NVDA as well.
>> I will have a try on the site.
>>
>>
>> Greetings - Hermann
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ■■■
>>
>>
>>> Gesendet: Dienstag, 12. Dezember 2017 um 18:05 Uhr
>>> Von: "Rusty Perez" <rustys.lists@...>
>>> An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>> Betreff: [nvda] how to read a popup window on a web
page
>>>
>>> Hey folks,
>>> I am subscribed to a site for songwriters. Part of
the site allows one
>>> to read the song lyrics to a song that is playing.
The lyrics come up
>>> in an overlay or window of some sort and I can't
figure out how to
>>> read it with NVDA.
>>> If my wife runs the mouse over the lyrics, NVDA does
read them, but I
>>> can't figure out how to get to this lyrics window on
my own.
>>> Any thoughts or suggestions?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> Rusty
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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If you're loading a page in firefox, NVDA will say "busy"after a page is done loading. I just wait for the page to finish loading. Rosemarie
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of brian
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 8:33 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] sound when a web page is loaded Sound when a web page is loaded I do think that it would be a good idea to have a sound when a page has been loaded. Sighted people can see at a glance when a page is loaded so why should we have to check the long way. If you have internet that constantly drops out and comes you want to know if your page is loading and when it's loaded. The webie brouser has this feature. It plays a ticking sound when a page is loading and you hear a ding when the page is loaded. You can turn this off in the options menu. I don't always use it butit's there if I want to use it. Also you could have nvda read the progress of pages loading this could be an option in the preferences menu. Brian Sackrider On 12/13/2017 1:51 PM, Gene wrote: You can't navigate a page until it fully loads. Sounds may be nice but this is important for blind Internet users to understand, with or without sounds. And if you move to the address bar and tab around that area, you will see an item that tells you that a page is loading if it still is. I have nothing against a sound that tells you if a page is loading, but these are still things people should know. I don't trust notifications to always be accurate. People should be able to check what is going on aside from something like a sound if there is a way. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 12:20 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] how to read a popup window on a web page This is exactly why I use Navigational sounds in the old version of Firefox.
Brian
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Rusty Perez" <rustys.lists@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 7:41 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to read a popup window on a web page
Well, I think I figured it out.
This site is sometimes glitchy and loads slowly on my machine.
I tried it again just now. The page loaded up and I am now able to
find the song lyrics just by navigating by headings.
I think that before, I was trying to navigate to the lyrics before
they were actually loaded on to the page.
When my wife was looking, I guess maybe I didn't try headings at that time.
Rusty
On 12/12/17, Rusty Perez <rustys.lists@...> wrote:
> Hey Hermann,
> Thanks!
> the site is
> frettie.com
>
>
> There will be songs available when you first go to the page.
> Search for the word "play" and you should find some songs to check
> out. Press enter on a song name to bring up a page dedicated to the
> song. Then search for the "lyrics" link.
>
> Thanks!
> Rusty
>
> On 12/12/17, Hermann-Josef Kurzen <ymh005@...> wrote:
>> Hey Rusty,
>>
>> to which site for songwriters are You subscribed?
>> I am using NVDA as well.
>> I will have a try on the site.
>>
>>
>> Greetings - Hermann
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ■■■
>>
>>
>>> Gesendet: Dienstag, 12. Dezember 2017 um 18:05 Uhr
>>> Von: "Rusty Perez" <rustys.lists@...>
>>> An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>> Betreff: [nvda] how to read a popup window on a web page
>>>
>>> Hey folks,
>>> I am subscribed to a site for songwriters. Part of the site allows one
>>> to read the song lyrics to a song that is playing. The lyrics come up
>>> in an overlay or window of some sort and I can't figure out how to
>>> read it with NVDA.
>>> If my wife runs the mouse over the lyrics, NVDA does read them, but I
>>> can't figure out how to get to this lyrics window on my own.
>>> Any thoughts or suggestions?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> Rusty
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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Hello, the problem with this feature is that, given the dynamic nature of the web, there is no good definition for "fully loaded." In the Appleverse I find that often times the ticking continues in spite of the fact that the page is, for all intents and purposes, loaded and ready to be used. So any solution to this problem would be, at present, a hack. Kind regards, Felix
If you're loading a page in firefox, NVDA will say "busy"after a page is done loading. I just wait for the page to finish loading. Rosemarie Sound when a web page is loaded I do think that it would be a good idea to have a sound when a page has been loaded. Sighted people can see at a glance when a page is loaded so why should we have to check the long way. If you have internet that constantly drops out and comes you want to know if your page is loading and when it's loaded. The webie brouser has this feature. It plays a ticking sound when a page is loading and you hear a ding when the page is loaded. You can turn this off in the options menu. I don't always use it butit's there if I want to use it. Also you could have nvda read the progress of pages loading this could be an option in the preferences menu. Brian Sackrider On 12/13/2017 1:51 PM, Gene wrote: You can't navigate a page until it fully loads. Sounds may be nice but this is important for blind Internet users to understand, with or without sounds. And if you move to the address bar and tab around that area, you will see an item that tells you that a page is loading if it still is. I have nothing against a sound that tells you if a page is loading, but these are still things people should know. I don't trust notifications to always be accurate. People should be able to check what is going on aside from something like a sound if there is a way. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 12:20 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] how to read a popup window on a web page This is exactly why I use Navigational sounds in the old version of Firefox.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Rusty Perez" <rustys.lists@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 7:41 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to read a popup window on a web page
Well, I think I figured it out.
This site is sometimes glitchy and loads slowly on my machine.
I tried it again just now. The page loaded up and I am now able to
find the song lyrics just by navigating by headings.
I think that before, I was trying to navigate to the lyrics before
they were actually loaded on to the page.
When my wife was looking, I guess maybe I didn't try headings at that time.
Rusty
On 12/12/17, Rusty Perez <rustys.lists@...> wrote:
> Hey Hermann,
> Thanks!
> the site is
> frettie.com
>
>
> There will be songs available when you first go to the page.
> Search for the word "play" and you should find some songs to check
> out. Press enter on a song name to bring up a page dedicated to the
> song. Then search for the "lyrics" link.
>
> Thanks!
> Rusty
>
> On 12/12/17, Hermann-Josef Kurzen <ymh005@...> wrote:
>> Hey Rusty,
>>
>> to which site for songwriters are You subscribed?
>> I am using NVDA as well.
>> I will have a try on the site.
>>
>>
>> Greetings - Hermann
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ■■■
>>
>>
>>> Gesendet: Dienstag, 12. Dezember 2017 um 18:05 Uhr
>>> Von: "Rusty Perez" <rustys.lists@...>
>>> An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>> Betreff: [nvda] how to read a popup window on a web page
>>>
>>> Hey folks,
>>> I am subscribed to a site for songwriters. Part of the site allows one
>>> to read the song lyrics to a song that is playing. The lyrics come up
>>> in an overlay or window of some sort and I can't figure out how to
>>> read it with NVDA.
>>> If my wife runs the mouse over the lyrics, NVDA does read them, but I
>>> can't figure out how to get to this lyrics window on my own.
>>> Any thoughts or suggestions?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> Rusty
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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Since you can't navigate in a web page until it is
loaded and since web pages tart to read automatically after they load, you
already know in two efficient ways whether a page loads. I don't
particularly care if a sound is made available or not but my point is that the
more you pay atten to cues from the direct environment, the better a computer
user you will be. If people rely on such additional cues as sounds,
without knowing such things as I've stated, it makes them less knowledgeable and
they may have problems at times they wouldn't otherwise. If people want to
use sounds, that's fine but they should also know the underlying cues from the
environment as well.
Gene
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 10:33 PM
Subject: [nvda] sound when a web page is loaded
Sound when a web page is loaded
I do think that it would be a good idea to
have a sound when a page has been loaded. Sighted people can see at a
glance when a page is loaded so why should we have to check the long way.
If you have internet that constantly drops out and comes you want to know if
your page is loading and when it's loaded. The webie brouser has this
feature. It plays a ticking sound when a page is loading and you hear a
ding when the page is loaded. You can turn this off in the options
menu. I don't always use it butit's there if I want to use it. Also
you could have nvda read the progress of pages loading this could be an option
in the preferences menu.
Brian Sackrider
On 12/13/2017 1:51 PM, Gene wrote:
You can't navigate a page until it fully
loads. Sounds may be nice but this is important for blind Internet users
to understand, with or without sounds. And if you move to the address
bar and tab around that area, you will see an item that tells you that a page
is loading if it still is. I have nothing against a sound that tells you
if a page is loading, but these are still things people should know. I
don't trust notifications to always be accurate. People should be able
to check what is going on aside from something like a sound if there is a
way.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 12:20 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to read a popup window on a web
page
This is exactly why I use Navigational sounds in the old
version of Firefox.
Brian
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----- Original Message -----
From:
"Rusty Perez" <rustys.lists@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, December
12, 2017 7:41 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to read a popup window on a web
page
Well, I think I figured it out.
This site is sometimes
glitchy and loads slowly on my machine.
I tried it again just now. The page
loaded up and I am now able to
find the song lyrics just by navigating by
headings.
I think that before, I was trying to navigate to the lyrics
before
they were actually loaded on to the page.
When my wife was
looking, I guess maybe I didn't try headings at that
time.
Rusty
On 12/12/17, Rusty Perez <rustys.lists@...> wrote:
> Hey
Hermann,
> Thanks!
> the site is
>
frettie.com
>
>
> There will be songs available when you
first go to the page.
> Search for the word "play" and you should find
some songs to check
> out. Press enter on a song name to bring up a page
dedicated to the
> song. Then search for the "lyrics"
link.
>
> Thanks!
> Rusty
>
> On 12/12/17,
Hermann-Josef Kurzen <ymh005@...> wrote:
>> Hey
Rusty,
>>
>> to which site for songwriters are You
subscribed?
>> I am using NVDA as well.
>> I will have a try
on the site.
>>
>>
>> Greetings -
Hermann
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
■■■
>>
>>
>>> Gesendet: Dienstag, 12. Dezember
2017 um 18:05 Uhr
>>> Von: "Rusty Perez" <rustys.lists@...>
>>> An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>> Betreff: [nvda]
how to read a popup window on a web page
>>>
>>> Hey
folks,
>>> I am subscribed to a site for songwriters. Part of the
site allows one
>>> to read the song lyrics to a song that is
playing. The lyrics come up
>>> in an overlay or window of some
sort and I can't figure out how to
>>> read it with
NVDA.
>>> If my wife runs the mouse over the lyrics, NVDA does
read them, but I
>>> can't figure out how to get to this lyrics
window on my own.
>>> Any thoughts or
suggestions?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
Rusty
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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Well all I can say is that in navigational sounds, with auto read all on, you hear a little peep just before it starts to read the page, so one supposes that the system has detected the page has loaded. Of course if the page is one of those annoying dynamic ones you normally also hear clicking as the other junk changes which is also useful to know. In Firefox 58 beta the sounds add on does not work any more and hence I'd not be able to know what the xxx is going on.
Brian
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Felix G." <constantlyvariable@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2017 7:59 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] sound when a web page is loaded Hello, the problem with this feature is that, given the dynamic nature of the web, there is no good definition for "fully loaded." In the Appleverse I find that often times the ticking continues in spite of the fact that the page is, for all intents and purposes, loaded and ready to be used. So any solution to this problem would be, at present, a hack. Kind regards, Felix Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> schrieb am Do., 14. Dez. 2017 um 06:04 Uhr: If you're loading a page in firefox, NVDA will say "busy"after a page is
done loading. I just wait for the page to finish loading.
Rosemarie
*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *
brian
*Sent:* Wednesday, December 13, 2017 8:33 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* [nvda] sound when a web page is loaded
Sound when a web page is loaded I do think that it would be
a good idea to have a sound when a page has been loaded. Sighted people
can see at a glance when a page is loaded so why should we have to check
the long way. If you have internet that constantly drops out and comes you
want to know if your page is loading and when it's loaded. The webie
brouser has this feature. It plays a ticking sound when a page is loading
and you hear a ding when the page is loaded. You can turn this off in the
options menu. I don't always use it butit's there if I want to use it.
Also you could have nvda read the progress of pages loading this could be
an option in the preferences menu.
Brian Sackrider
On 12/13/2017 1:51 PM, Gene wrote:
You can't navigate a page until it fully loads. Sounds may be nice but
this is important for blind Internet users to understand, with or without
sounds. And if you move to the address bar and tab around that area, you
will see an item that tells you that a page is loading if it still is. I
have nothing against a sound that tells you if a page is loading, but these
are still things people should know. I don't trust notifications to always
be accurate. People should be able to check what is going on aside from
something like a sound if there is a way.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
<bglists@...>
*Sent:* Wednesday, December 13, 2017 12:20 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] how to read a popup window on a web page
This is exactly why I use Navigational sounds in the old version of
Firefox.
Brian
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Rusty Perez" <rustys.lists@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 7:41 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to read a popup window on a web page
Well, I think I figured it out.
This site is sometimes glitchy and loads slowly on my machine.
I tried it again just now. The page loaded up and I am now able to
find the song lyrics just by navigating by headings.
I think that before, I was trying to navigate to the lyrics before
they were actually loaded on to the page.
When my wife was looking, I guess maybe I didn't try headings at that time.
Rusty
On 12/12/17, Rusty Perez <rustys.lists@...> wrote:
Hey Hermann,
Thanks!
the site is
frettie.com
There will be songs available when you first go to the page.
Search for the word "play" and you should find some songs to check
out. Press enter on a song name to bring up a page dedicated to the
song. Then search for the "lyrics" link.
Thanks!
Rusty
On 12/12/17, Hermann-Josef Kurzen <ymh005@...> wrote:
Hey Rusty,
to which site for songwriters are You subscribed?
I am using NVDA as well.
I will have a try on the site.
Greetings - Hermann
■■■
Gesendet: Dienstag, 12. Dezember 2017 um 18:05 Uhr
Von: "Rusty Perez" <rustys.lists@...>
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: [nvda] how to read a popup window on a web page
Hey folks,
I am subscribed to a site for songwriters. Part of the site allows one
to read the song lyrics to a song that is playing. The lyrics come up
in an overlay or window of some sort and I can't figure out how to
read it with NVDA.
If my wife runs the mouse over the lyrics, NVDA does read them, but I
can't figure out how to get to this lyrics window on my own.
Any thoughts or suggestions?
Thanks!
Rusty
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I was going to weigh in on this subject but Gene said it much better
than I could.
Laz
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On 12/13/17, brian <sackriderbrian45@...> wrote: Sound when a web page is loaded I do think that it would
be a good idea to have a sound when a page has been loaded. Sighted
people can see at a glance when a page is loaded so why should we have
to check the long way. If you have internet that constantly drops out
and comes you want to know if your page is loading and when it's
loaded. The webie brouser has this feature. It plays a ticking sound
when a page is loading and you hear a ding when the page is loaded. You
can turn this off in the options menu. I don't always use it butit's
there if I want to use it. Also you could have nvda read the progress
of pages loading this could be an option in the preferences menu.
Brian Sackrider
On 12/13/2017 1:51 PM, Gene wrote:
You can't navigate a page until it fully loads. Sounds may be nice
but this is important for blind Internet users to understand, with or
without sounds. And if you move to the address bar and tab around that
area, you will see an item that tells you that a page is loading if it
still is. I have nothing against a sound that tells you if a page is
loading, but these are still things people should know. I don't trust
notifications to always be accurate. People should be able to check
what is going on aside from something like a sound if there is a way.
Gene
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*Sent:* Wednesday, December 13, 2017 12:20 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] how to read a popup window on a web page
This is exactly why I use Navigational sounds in the old version of
Firefox.
Brian
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Rusty Perez" <rustys.lists@...
<mailto:rustys.lists@...>>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>>
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 7:41 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to read a popup window on a web page
Well, I think I figured it out.
This site is sometimes glitchy and loads slowly on my machine.
I tried it again just now. The page loaded up and I am now able to
find the song lyrics just by navigating by headings.
I think that before, I was trying to navigate to the lyrics before
they were actually loaded on to the page.
When my wife was looking, I guess maybe I didn't try headings at that
time.
Rusty
On 12/12/17, Rusty Perez <rustys.lists@...
<mailto:rustys.lists@...>> wrote:
Hey Hermann,
Thanks!
the site is
frettie.com
There will be songs available when you first go to the page.
Search for the word "play" and you should find some songs to check
out. Press enter on a song name to bring up a page dedicated to the
song. Then search for the "lyrics" link.
Thanks!
Rusty
On 12/12/17, Hermann-Josef Kurzen <ymh005@... <mailto:ymh005@...>> wrote:
Hey Rusty,
to which site for songwriters are You subscribed?
I am using NVDA as well.
I will have a try on the site.
Greetings - Hermann
■■■
Gesendet: Dienstag, 12. Dezember 2017 um 18:05 Uhr
Von: "Rusty Perez" <rustys.lists@...
<mailto:rustys.lists@...>>
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Betreff: [nvda] how to read a popup window on a web page
Hey folks,
I am subscribed to a site for songwriters. Part of the site allows
one
to read the song lyrics to a song that is playing. The lyrics come up
in an overlay or window of some sort and I can't figure out how to
read it with NVDA.
If my wife runs the mouse over the lyrics, NVDA does read them, but I
can't figure out how to get to this lyrics window on my own.
Any thoughts or suggestions?
Thanks!
Rusty
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