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issues with quick nav of thunderbird and NVDA


David Goldfield
 

>Where do I find this add-on?


You can find the addon at the above link.


David Goldfield,
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On 9/1/2020 9:55 AM, Hettie wrote:

Where do I find this add-on? I tried the add-on page but couldn't find it.


Hettie.


On 2020/08/31 10:54 pm, David Goldfield wrote:

This interests me because I also notice similar behavior with version 3.0 of this addon. The addon appears to work as expected until I restart TB. Upon restarting TB the addon is still enabled but the addon itself acts as if it has been disabled. First letter navigation does not move to the relevant folder and the addon's option does not appear in the context menu. If I go into addon settings and disable the addon and then enable it the addon works properly once again until I close and restart TB. I wrote to the addon author who was unable to reproduce the issue. I then asked about it on the Thunderbird support list and was given a suggestion which didn't work for me. I have reinstalled TB as well as removed and then reinstalled the addon.


David Goldfield,
Assistive Technology Specialist

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www.davidgoldfield.org
On 8/31/2020 3:40 PM, Dan Beaver wrote:

Yeah, but with the newest version there are still issues.  I have to go in and disable and then

re-enable the extension every time I bring up Thunderbird.


I wish someone could do something about it because it is getting irritating. ;)


Dan Beaver

On 8/31/2020 2:41 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Bob,

          I would uninstall and reinstall Quick Folder Navigation if the version you have went in a long while ago.  There have been some recent updates related to compatibility with the more recent versions of Thunderbird.

--

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David Goldfield
 

What is odd is that this addon began working a bit more consistently when my installation of Thunderbird updated to V78.2.1. In fact, it was working so consistently that I thought that the issue was completely resolved, even though the release notes provided no obvious references to this type of problem. However, at some point the addon failed to work again. After going into Addon Options and looking at the addon's options it suddenly started working again even though I made no changes to any of the settings. I am at a loss to explain this and, as I wrote in a previous message in this thread, the developer of this addon cannot reproduce this issue.



David Goldfield,
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On 9/1/2020 12:03 PM, Hettie wrote:

No, I forgot that is a TB add-on. Thanks, you saved my sanity!


Hettie

On 2020/09/01 4:20 pm, Dan Beaver wrote:

Did you search for it under add-on manager in Thunderbird?  It isn't an NVDA add-on.


Dan Beaver

On 9/1/2020 9:55 AM, Hettie wrote:

Where do I find this add-on? I tried the add-on page but couldn't find it.


Hettie.


On 2020/08/31 10:54 pm, David Goldfield wrote:

This interests me because I also notice similar behavior with version 3.0 of this addon. The addon appears to work as expected until I restart TB. Upon restarting TB the addon is still enabled but the addon itself acts as if it has been disabled. First letter navigation does not move to the relevant folder and the addon's option does not appear in the context menu. If I go into addon settings and disable the addon and then enable it the addon works properly once again until I close and restart TB. I wrote to the addon author who was unable to reproduce the issue. I then asked about it on the Thunderbird support list and was given a suggestion which didn't work for me. I have reinstalled TB as well as removed and then reinstalled the addon.


David Goldfield,
Assistive Technology Specialist

JAWS Certified, 2019

www.davidgoldfield.org
On 8/31/2020 3:40 PM, Dan Beaver wrote:

Yeah, but with the newest version there are still issues.  I have to go in and disable and then

re-enable the extension every time I bring up Thunderbird.


I wish someone could do something about it because it is getting irritating. ;)


Dan Beaver

On 8/31/2020 2:41 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Bob,

          I would uninstall and reinstall Quick Folder Navigation if the version you have went in a long while ago.  There have been some recent updates related to compatibility with the more recent versions of Thunderbird.

--

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A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.

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Hettie
 

No, I forgot that is a TB add-on. Thanks, you saved my sanity!


Hettie

On 2020/09/01 4:20 pm, Dan Beaver wrote:

Did you search for it under add-on manager in Thunderbird?  It isn't an NVDA add-on.


Dan Beaver

On 9/1/2020 9:55 AM, Hettie wrote:

Where do I find this add-on? I tried the add-on page but couldn't find it.


Hettie.


On 2020/08/31 10:54 pm, David Goldfield wrote:

This interests me because I also notice similar behavior with version 3.0 of this addon. The addon appears to work as expected until I restart TB. Upon restarting TB the addon is still enabled but the addon itself acts as if it has been disabled. First letter navigation does not move to the relevant folder and the addon's option does not appear in the context menu. If I go into addon settings and disable the addon and then enable it the addon works properly once again until I close and restart TB. I wrote to the addon author who was unable to reproduce the issue. I then asked about it on the Thunderbird support list and was given a suggestion which didn't work for me. I have reinstalled TB as well as removed and then reinstalled the addon.


David Goldfield,
Assistive Technology Specialist

JAWS Certified, 2019

www.davidgoldfield.org
On 8/31/2020 3:40 PM, Dan Beaver wrote:

Yeah, but with the newest version there are still issues.  I have to go in and disable and then

re-enable the extension every time I bring up Thunderbird.


I wish someone could do something about it because it is getting irritating. ;)


Dan Beaver

On 8/31/2020 2:41 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Bob,

          I would uninstall and reinstall Quick Folder Navigation if the version you have went in a long while ago.  There have been some recent updates related to compatibility with the more recent versions of Thunderbird.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.

          ~ Oscar Wilde

 

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Sameer Latey
 


I was also facing the problem of the Quick Nav add-in not working properly since Thunderbird updated but the following work-around has fixed the problem for me.


When I start Thunderbird, I open one of my received mails & close it. After that, the Quick Nav add-in works perfectly.


Regards
Mr. Sameer Latey
On 01-09-2020 01:10 am, Dan Beaver wrote:

Yeah, but with the newest version there are still issues.  I have to go in and disable and then

re-enable the extension every time I bring up Thunderbird.


I wish someone could do something about it because it is getting irritating. ;)


Dan Beaver

On 8/31/2020 2:41 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Bob,

          I would uninstall and reinstall Quick Folder Navigation if the version you have went in a long while ago.  There have been some recent updates related to compatibility with the more recent versions of Thunderbird.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.

          ~ Oscar Wilde

 

-- 
Dan Beaver (KA4DAN)
.


Dan Beaver
 

Actually, it is an extension not an add-on per say.


Dan Beaver

On 9/1/2020 10:20 AM, Dan wrote:

Did you search for it under add-on manager in Thunderbird?  It isn't an NVDA add-on.


Dan Beaver

On 9/1/2020 9:55 AM, Hettie wrote:

Where do I find this add-on? I tried the add-on page but couldn't find it.


Hettie.


On 2020/08/31 10:54 pm, David Goldfield wrote:

This interests me because I also notice similar behavior with version 3.0 of this addon. The addon appears to work as expected until I restart TB. Upon restarting TB the addon is still enabled but the addon itself acts as if it has been disabled. First letter navigation does not move to the relevant folder and the addon's option does not appear in the context menu. If I go into addon settings and disable the addon and then enable it the addon works properly once again until I close and restart TB. I wrote to the addon author who was unable to reproduce the issue. I then asked about it on the Thunderbird support list and was given a suggestion which didn't work for me. I have reinstalled TB as well as removed and then reinstalled the addon.


David Goldfield,
Assistive Technology Specialist

JAWS Certified, 2019

www.davidgoldfield.org
On 8/31/2020 3:40 PM, Dan Beaver wrote:

Yeah, but with the newest version there are still issues.  I have to go in and disable and then

re-enable the extension every time I bring up Thunderbird.


I wish someone could do something about it because it is getting irritating. ;)


Dan Beaver

On 8/31/2020 2:41 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Bob,

          I would uninstall and reinstall Quick Folder Navigation if the version you have went in a long while ago.  There have been some recent updates related to compatibility with the more recent versions of Thunderbird.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.

          ~ Oscar Wilde

 

-- 
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Dan Beaver
 

Did you search for it under add-on manager in Thunderbird?  It isn't an NVDA add-on.


Dan Beaver

On 9/1/2020 9:55 AM, Hettie wrote:

Where do I find this add-on? I tried the add-on page but couldn't find it.


Hettie.


On 2020/08/31 10:54 pm, David Goldfield wrote:

This interests me because I also notice similar behavior with version 3.0 of this addon. The addon appears to work as expected until I restart TB. Upon restarting TB the addon is still enabled but the addon itself acts as if it has been disabled. First letter navigation does not move to the relevant folder and the addon's option does not appear in the context menu. If I go into addon settings and disable the addon and then enable it the addon works properly once again until I close and restart TB. I wrote to the addon author who was unable to reproduce the issue. I then asked about it on the Thunderbird support list and was given a suggestion which didn't work for me. I have reinstalled TB as well as removed and then reinstalled the addon.


David Goldfield,
Assistive Technology Specialist

JAWS Certified, 2019

www.davidgoldfield.org
On 8/31/2020 3:40 PM, Dan Beaver wrote:

Yeah, but with the newest version there are still issues.  I have to go in and disable and then

re-enable the extension every time I bring up Thunderbird.


I wish someone could do something about it because it is getting irritating. ;)


Dan Beaver

On 8/31/2020 2:41 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Bob,

          I would uninstall and reinstall Quick Folder Navigation if the version you have went in a long while ago.  There have been some recent updates related to compatibility with the more recent versions of Thunderbird.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.

          ~ Oscar Wilde

 

-- 
Dan Beaver (KA4DAN)

Virus-free. www.avg.com
-- 
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Hettie
 

Where do I find this add-on? I tried the add-on page but couldn't find it.


Hettie.


On 2020/08/31 10:54 pm, David Goldfield wrote:

This interests me because I also notice similar behavior with version 3.0 of this addon. The addon appears to work as expected until I restart TB. Upon restarting TB the addon is still enabled but the addon itself acts as if it has been disabled. First letter navigation does not move to the relevant folder and the addon's option does not appear in the context menu. If I go into addon settings and disable the addon and then enable it the addon works properly once again until I close and restart TB. I wrote to the addon author who was unable to reproduce the issue. I then asked about it on the Thunderbird support list and was given a suggestion which didn't work for me. I have reinstalled TB as well as removed and then reinstalled the addon.


David Goldfield,
Assistive Technology Specialist

JAWS Certified, 2019

www.davidgoldfield.org
On 8/31/2020 3:40 PM, Dan Beaver wrote:

Yeah, but with the newest version there are still issues.  I have to go in and disable and then

re-enable the extension every time I bring up Thunderbird.


I wish someone could do something about it because it is getting irritating. ;)


Dan Beaver

On 8/31/2020 2:41 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Bob,

          I would uninstall and reinstall Quick Folder Navigation if the version you have went in a long while ago.  There have been some recent updates related to compatibility with the more recent versions of Thunderbird.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.

          ~ Oscar Wilde

 

-- 
Dan Beaver (KA4DAN)

Virus-free. www.avg.com


Dan Beaver
 

Ron,


On my system when I first bring up Thunderbird and go into the addon manager it shows this addon as being checked not unchecked.  It still  acts like it would if it were unchecked though.  I still have to uncheck and recheck it to get it working.  Very strange.


Dan Beaver

On 9/1/2020 12:49 AM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi Group,

The quick key folder navigation is a Thunderbird add on not an NVDA add on. What I have noticed is that since a recent update of Thunderbird that some  how the use quick key folder navigation item becomes unchecked under Thunderbird settings/add on manager after you close Thunderbird. You have to recheck the check box every time you launch the program to get it to work again.


On 8/31/2020 2:34 PM, Robert Logue wrote:
I notice the folders list does not speak after TB updates.  I go to add-ons and check Quick Folder Key Navigation and make sure it is working and enabled.


I don't know why it says "loading" all the time.


I have TB 68.12.0 (32-bit Windows Version 1909 NVDA 2020.2


I hope TB doesn't mess up when I get Win 2004.


Here are the details from that screen:


Quick Folder Key Navigation This extension makes it possible to quickly navigate to a particular fold… Release Notes: Loading… Options Disable Remove  Show more details


Bob

On 2020-08-12 4:02 p.m., Don H wrote:
Doing some experimenting.  Just installed Thunderbird version 78.1 along with the quick key folder nav addon.  Still having issues with the addon working as it should.









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Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Dan,

That is what I was trying to say in my previous messages.


On 8/31/2020 3:40 PM, Dan Beaver wrote:

Yeah, but with the newest version there are still issues.  I have to go in and disable and then

re-enable the extension every time I bring up Thunderbird.


I wish someone could do something about it because it is getting irritating. ;)


Dan Beaver

On 8/31/2020 2:41 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Bob,

          I would uninstall and reinstall Quick Folder Navigation if the version you have went in a long while ago.  There have been some recent updates related to compatibility with the more recent versions of Thunderbird.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.

          ~ Oscar Wilde

 

-- 
Dan Beaver (KA4DAN)

-- 
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Brian,

I have uninstalled and reinstalled the quick key folder navigation add on and my issue where the checkbox to use it becomes unchecked after you close the program still persists.


On 8/31/2020 2:41 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Bob,

          I would uninstall and reinstall Quick Folder Navigation if the version you have went in a long while ago.  There have been some recent updates related to compatibility with the more recent versions of Thunderbird.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.

          ~ Oscar Wilde

 


-- 
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Group,

The quick key folder navigation is a Thunderbird add on not an NVDA add on. What I have noticed is that since a recent update of Thunderbird that some  how the use quick key folder navigation item becomes unchecked under Thunderbird settings/add on manager after you close Thunderbird. You have to recheck the check box every time you launch the program to get it to work again.

On 8/31/2020 2:34 PM, Robert Logue wrote:
I notice the folders list does not speak after TB updates.  I go to add-ons and check Quick Folder Key Navigation and make sure it is working and enabled.


I don't know why it says "loading" all the time.


I have TB 68.12.0 (32-bit Windows Version 1909 NVDA 2020.2


I hope TB doesn't mess up when I get Win 2004.


Here are the details from that screen:


Quick Folder Key Navigation This extension makes it possible to quickly navigate to a particular fold… Release Notes: Loading… Options Disable Remove  Show more details


Bob

On 2020-08-12 4:02 p.m., Don H wrote:
Doing some experimenting.  Just installed Thunderbird version 78.1 along with the quick key folder nav addon.  Still having issues with the addon working as it should.




--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


David Goldfield
 

This interests me because I also notice similar behavior with version 3.0 of this addon. The addon appears to work as expected until I restart TB. Upon restarting TB the addon is still enabled but the addon itself acts as if it has been disabled. First letter navigation does not move to the relevant folder and the addon's option does not appear in the context menu. If I go into addon settings and disable the addon and then enable it the addon works properly once again until I close and restart TB. I wrote to the addon author who was unable to reproduce the issue. I then asked about it on the Thunderbird support list and was given a suggestion which didn't work for me. I have reinstalled TB as well as removed and then reinstalled the addon.


David Goldfield,
Assistive Technology Specialist

JAWS Certified, 2019

www.davidgoldfield.org
On 8/31/2020 3:40 PM, Dan Beaver wrote:

Yeah, but with the newest version there are still issues.  I have to go in and disable and then

re-enable the extension every time I bring up Thunderbird.


I wish someone could do something about it because it is getting irritating. ;)


Dan Beaver

On 8/31/2020 2:41 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Bob,

          I would uninstall and reinstall Quick Folder Navigation if the version you have went in a long while ago.  There have been some recent updates related to compatibility with the more recent versions of Thunderbird.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.

          ~ Oscar Wilde

 

-- 
Dan Beaver (KA4DAN)


Dan Beaver
 

Yeah, but with the newest version there are still issues.  I have to go in and disable and then

re-enable the extension every time I bring up Thunderbird.


I wish someone could do something about it because it is getting irritating. ;)


Dan Beaver

On 8/31/2020 2:41 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Bob,

          I would uninstall and reinstall Quick Folder Navigation if the version you have went in a long while ago.  There have been some recent updates related to compatibility with the more recent versions of Thunderbird.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.

          ~ Oscar Wilde

 

-- 
Dan Beaver (KA4DAN)


Robert Logue
 

Good idea Brian.  I'll do that now. 


Bob


On 2020-08-31 12:41 p.m., Brian Vogel wrote:
Bob,

          I would uninstall and reinstall Quick Folder Navigation if the version you have went in a long while ago.  There have been some recent updates related to compatibility with the more recent versions of Thunderbird.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.

          ~ Oscar Wilde

 


 

Bob,

          I would uninstall and reinstall Quick Folder Navigation if the version you have went in a long while ago.  There have been some recent updates related to compatibility with the more recent versions of Thunderbird.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.

          ~ Oscar Wilde

 


Robert Logue
 

I notice the folders list does not speak after TB updates.  I go to add-ons and check Quick Folder Key Navigation and make sure it is working and enabled.


I don't know why it says "loading" all the time.


I have TB 68.12.0 (32-bit Windows Version 1909 NVDA 2020.2


I hope TB doesn't mess up when I get Win 2004.


Here are the details from that screen:


Quick Folder Key Navigation This extension makes it possible to quickly navigate to a particular fold… Release Notes: Loading… Options Disable Remove  Show more details


Bob

On 2020-08-12 4:02 p.m., Don H wrote:
Doing some experimenting.  Just installed Thunderbird version 78.1 along with the quick key folder nav addon.  Still having issues with the addon working as it should.




Hareth
 

In one instance the quick key folder nav stopped working here last night.
Closing and reopening thunderbird solved it.
SS

On 8/12/20, Don H <lmddh50@...> wrote:
Doing some experimenting. Just installed Thunderbird version 78.1 along
with the quick key folder nav addon. Still having issues with the addon
working as it should.






Don H
 

Doing some experimenting.  Just installed Thunderbird version 78.1 along with the quick key folder nav addon.  Still having issues with the addon working as it should.


 

You can turn off the today pain in view but even with it off any status message will announce the today pain as being active.

The calendar though is accessible if you do need it.

I don't but some may.

On 13/08/2020 6:51 am, Don H wrote:
One thing that thunderbird 78 has is a calendar that is not a addon as it has been.  Is there a way to disable the calendar?

On 8/12/2020 1:45 PM, Gene wrote:
In that case, upgrading may be a good idea.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Hareth
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2020 1:25 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] issues with quick nav of thunderbird and NVDA

No,
The quick key folder navigation does work fine with thunderbird 78.
plus they added some long waited feature "minimize to tray' to TB options
And the options setting interface  has become a lot easier to deal with. .
SS

On 8/12/20, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
It should be noted that when you get to version 78.x, which isn't available

through the program update yet, but its coming at some point, that the quick

navigation add-on will no longer work, nor will the other add-on that adds
functionality.  I might be able to find out its name.  Its something like
Mozilla enhancements.  I've said before that if people only use Thunderbird

for e-mail, I think updating is a bad idea.  If you use other features, it
might make sense to do so.

Also, the Lightning add-on is no longer used in 78.X.  The calendar function

is built into the program.  I don't know if it can be disabled but those are

changes people who just let the program update should be aware of.  If it
can't be disabled, that might be another reason for not letting the program

update.  These topics need more discussion.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2020 12:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] issues with quick nav of thunderbird and NVDA

On Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at 08:50 AM, Dan Beaver wrote:
I took a look around and discovered that there had been an extension
installed called Lightning.This was the Calendar/Schedule extension for
Thunderbird, from way, way back.   If you don't use that functionality, then

removing it is a good idea.

I've had consistent behavior out of the Quick Folder Key Navigation
extension for years now.

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A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.

          ~ Oscar Wilde















 

On Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at 02:08 PM, Gene wrote:
I've said before that if people only use Thunderbird for e-mail, I think updating is a bad idea.
-
Rushing to update anything before it's main public release is always fraught with problems.  So is refusing to update after a major release as time marches on.

Best practice is to update to keep pace with the latest release that is available to the public, not in beta, regardless of the software involved, whenever one can.  If you're going to have problems, and you are no matter what you do (or don't do) it's better to have them with something where a solution will be actively being sought, and that means current versions (and/or supported versions - as come companies do support several at one time).
 
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A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.

          ~ Oscar Wilde