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Capslock as modifier
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Janet Brandly
Hello all,
I seem to have solved my problem of having the capslock activated accidentally. I’m learning some new software so this is probably what happened. At least I know how to check its status now.
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Janet Brandly
To add to my last note, although I have the box checked in the keyboard settings to let me know if capital keys are being typed when I want lower case, that’s not working. I’ve got it set to say words as I type them, so perhaps that is the problem? I really don’t need to hear each character. |
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Jackie
I have mine set to words as well.
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On 8/26/20, Janet Brandly <jbrandly@...> wrote:
To add to my last note, although I have the box checked in the keyboard --
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Quentin Christensen
It should still beep when typing a lowercase letter with caps lock on - so if you have double pressed the caps lock key and caps lock is on. If you then press SHIFT and type a letter (which will come out lowercase) NVDA will beep. In NVDA'S speech settings there is an option "Beep for capitals". With that on whenever you arrow to a capital or type a capital letter, NVDA will beep, however it only does this when reading the letter, so it only reads when typing, if speak typed characters is enabled. Quentin. On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 10:54 AM Janet Brandly <jbrandly@...> wrote:
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Gene
I just tested this and it beeps when speak typed characters is on or off. It does it when speak words is on or off as well, so the screen-reader could be silent and it would still beep.
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From: Quentin Christensen Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 9:18 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Capslock as modifier It should still beep when typing a lowercase letter with caps lock on - so if you have double pressed the caps lock key and caps lock is on. If you then press SHIFT and type a letter (which will come out lowercase) NVDA will beep. In NVDA'S speech settings there is an option "Beep for capitals". With that on whenever you arrow to a capital or type a capital letter, NVDA will beep, however it only does this when reading the letter, so it only reads when typing, if speak typed characters is enabled. Quentin. On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 10:54 AM Janet Brandly <jbrandly@...> wrote: To add to my last note, although I have the box checked in the keyboard settings to let me know if capital keys are being typed when I want lower case, that’s not working. I’ve got it set to say words as I type them, so perhaps that is the problem? I really don’t need to hear each character. -- Quentin Christensen Training and Support Manager Web: www.nvaccess.org Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/ Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/ User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess Twitter: @NVAccess |
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Chris Mullins
Hi My settings are: synth set to beep if capital letter, speak typed characters off, speak typed words on.
This does not beep when typing CAPITAL LETTERS, either with capslock on or when using shift with caps lock off. Using shift with caps lock on does produce a beep. In other words, the synthesizer setting that indicates capital letters only works when typing if Speak typed characters is on.
I'm using Windows 10 2004 and NVDA 2020.2
Cheers Chris
From: Gene
Sent: 27 August 2020 03:21 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Capslock as modifier
I just tested this and it beeps when speak typed characters is on or off. It does it when speak words is on or off as well, so the screen-reader could be silent and it would still beep.
Gene -----Original Message----- From: Quentin Christensen Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 9:18 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Capslock as modifier
It should still beep when typing a lowercase letter with caps lock on - so if you have double pressed the caps lock key and caps lock is on. If you then press SHIFT and type a letter (which will come out lowercase) NVDA will beep.
In NVDA'S speech settings there is an option "Beep for capitals". With that on whenever you arrow to a capital or type a capital letter, NVDA will beep, however it only does this when reading the letter, so it only reads when typing, if speak typed characters is enabled.
Quentin.
On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 10:54 AM Janet Brandly <jbrandly@...> wrote:
To add to my last note, although I have the box checked in the keyboard settings to let me know if capital keys are being typed when I want lower case, that’s not working. I’ve got it set to say words as I type them, so perhaps that is the problem? I really don’t need to hear each character.
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Quentin Christensen
Yes that is the way it works. I can see the use of wanting beeps for capitals even with speak typed chars off. It would be worth writing up an issue if you are keen:
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues Kind regards Quentin. On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 7:54 PM Chris Mullins <cjmullins29@...> wrote:
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Gene
I don't know if this varies when using different versions of Windows or for some other reason.
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From: Chris Mullins Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 4:54 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Capslock as modifier Hi My settings are: synth set to beep if capital letter, speak typed characters off, speak typed words on. This does not beep when typing CAPITAL LETTERS, either with capslock on or when using shift with caps lock off. Using shift with caps lock on does produce a beep. In other words, the synthesizer setting that indicates capital letters only works when typing if Speak typed characters is on. I'm using Windows 10 2004 and NVDA 2020.2 Cheers Chris From: Gene Sent: 27 August 2020 03:21 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Capslock as modifier I just tested this and it beeps when speak typed characters is on or off. It does it when speak words is on or off as well, so the screen-reader could be silent and it would still beep. Gene -----Original Message----- From: Quentin Christensen Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 9:18 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Capslock as modifier It should still beep when typing a lowercase letter with caps lock on - so if you have double pressed the caps lock key and caps lock is on. If you then press SHIFT and type a letter (which will come out lowercase) NVDA will beep. In NVDA'S speech settings there is an option "Beep for capitals". With that on whenever you arrow to a capital or type a capital letter, NVDA will beep, however it only does this when reading the letter, so it only reads when typing, if speak typed characters is enabled. Quentin. On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 10:54 AM Janet Brandly <jbrandly@...> wrote: To add to my last note, although I have the box checked in the keyboard settings to let me know if capital keys are being typed when I want lower case, that’s not working. I’ve got it set to say words as I type them, so perhaps that is the problem? I really don’t need to hear each character. -- Quentin Christensen Training and Support Manager Web: www.nvaccess.org Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/ Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/ User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess Twitter: @NVAccess |
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Janet Brandly
Thanks to everyone for hints/suggestions about solving my caps lock problem. Janet |
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Quentin Christensen
Gene there are two settings mentioned in the thread, which initially sound similar, but work differently to each other: In NVDA's keyboard settings there is an option "Beep if typing lowercase letters when caps lock is on". That option beeps when caps lock is on AND you then press SHIFT and type a letter (which will come out lowercase). That option works regardless of your keyboard echo settings. In NVDA'S speech settings there is an option "Beep for capitals". With that on whenever you arrow to a capital letter or type a capital letter, NVDA will beep, however it only does this when reading the letter, so it only reads while typing if speak typed characters is enabled. Kind regards Quentin. On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 9:29 PM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote: I don't know if this varies when using different versions of Windows or for --
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Gene
Does that mean that the more limited one should be removed?
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Gene -----Original Message-----
From: Quentin Christensen Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 5:19 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Capslock as modifier Gene there are two settings mentioned in the thread, which initially sound similar, but work differently to each other: In NVDA's keyboard settings there is an option "Beep if typing lowercase letters when caps lock is on". That option beeps when caps lock is on AND you then press SHIFT and type a letter (which will come out lowercase). That option works regardless of your keyboard echo settings. In NVDA'S speech settings there is an option "Beep for capitals". With that on whenever you arrow to a capital letter or type a capital letter, NVDA will beep, however it only does this when reading the letter, so it only reads while typing if speak typed characters is enabled. Kind regards Quentin. On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 9:29 PM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote: I don't know if this varies when using different versions of Windows or for some other reason. gene -----Original Message----- From: Chris Mullins Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 4:54 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Capslock as modifier Hi My settings are: synth set to beep if capital letter, speak typed characters off, speak typed words on. This does not beep when typing CAPITAL LETTERS, either with capslock on or when using shift with caps lock off. Using shift with caps lock on does produce a beep. In other words, the synthesizer setting that indicates capital letters only works when typing if Speak typed characters is on. I'm using Windows 10 2004 and NVDA 2020.2 Cheers Chris From: Gene Sent: 27 August 2020 03:21 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Capslock as modifier I just tested this and it beeps when speak typed characters is on or off. It does it when speak words is on or off as well, so the screen-reader could be silent and it would still beep. Gene -----Original Message----- From: Quentin Christensen Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 9:18 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Capslock as modifier It should still beep when typing a lowercase letter with caps lock on - so if you have double pressed the caps lock key and caps lock is on. If you then press SHIFT and type a letter (which will come out lowercase) NVDA will beep. In NVDA'S speech settings there is an option "Beep for capitals". With that on whenever you arrow to a capital or type a capital letter, NVDA will beep, however it only does this when reading the letter, so it only reads when typing, if speak typed characters is enabled. Quentin. On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 10:54 AM Janet Brandly <jbrandly@...> wrote: To add to my last note, although I have the box checked in the keyboard settings to let me know if capital keys are being typed when I want lower case, that’s not working. I’ve got it set to say words as I type them, so perhaps that is the problem? I really don’t need to hear each character. -- Quentin Christensen Training and Support Manager Web: www.nvaccess.org Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/ Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/ User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess Twitter: @NVAccess -- Quentin Christensen Training and Support Manager Web: www.nvaccess.org Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/ Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/ User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess Twitter: @NVAccess |
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Luke Davis
It is not more limited. It is just different.
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The first beeps if you type a lower-case letter while holding shift. Since that only happens if capslock is on, it is an effective indication of capslock. The second is effective when reviewing text: it doesn't relate to typing, but to situations wherein you are arrowing around or using review commands. Similar to, or an alternative to, the change pitch for capital letters option, it is just a method of alerting you to capital letters that you are reading. Incidental to speak typed characters, it also happens to beep when you type a capital letter, but that isn't its primary function. The first relates to writing, the second to reading. Neither is "more limited" than the other, they solve different problems. Luke On Thu, 27 Aug 2020, Gene wrote:
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Gene
I understand that they have very different functions. I've seen them both but I didn't realize what was being described as to the beep when reviewing text you are describing.
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I've never played with the beep for capitals in the settings for the voice dialog. However, there is what I consider a serious omission inits function. it doesn't beep for capitals unless you are moving through text by carachter. If you move by word, it doesn't beep, if you are using read to end, it doesn't beep. I have to be moving by caracter. I consider that to be a serious omission. gene -----Original Message-----
From: Luke Davis Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 7:43 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Capslock as modifier It is not more limited. It is just different. The first beeps if you type a lower-case letter while holding shift. Since that only happens if capslock is on, it is an effective indication of capslock. The second is effective when reviewing text: it doesn't relate to typing, but to situations wherein you are arrowing around or using review commands. Similar to, or an alternative to, the change pitch for capital letters option, it is just a method of alerting you to capital letters that you are reading. Incidental to speak typed characters, it also happens to beep when you type a capital letter, but that isn't its primary function. The first relates to writing, the second to reading. Neither is "more limited" than the other, they solve different problems. Luke On Thu, 27 Aug 2020, Gene wrote: Does that mean that the more limited one should be removed? |
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Quentin Christensen
There is an issue open for that use case Gene. There have been some technical limitations on implementing it in the past. I'm not sure whether those still exist, but the issue is here if you are interested:
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/3286 Quentin. On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:06 AM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote: I understand that they have very different functions. I've seen them both --
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Gene
Thank you. I'll look at it.
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Gene -----Original Message-----
From: Quentin Christensen Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 8:19 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Capslock as modifier There is an issue open for that use case Gene. There have been some technical limitations on implementing it in the past. I'm not sure whether those still exist, but the issue is here if you are interested: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/3286 Quentin. On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:06 AM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote: I understand that they have very different functions. I've seen them both but I didn't realize what was being described as to the beep when reviewing text you are describing. I've never played with the beep for capitals in the settings for the voice dialog. However, there is what I consider a serious omission inits function. it doesn't beep for capitals unless you are moving through text by carachter. If you move by word, it doesn't beep, if you are using read to end, it doesn't beep. I have to be moving by caracter. I consider that to be a serious omission. gene -----Original Message----- From: Luke Davis Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 7:43 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Capslock as modifier It is not more limited. It is just different. The first beeps if you type a lower-case letter while holding shift. Since that only happens if capslock is on, it is an effective indication of capslock. The second is effective when reviewing text: it doesn't relate to typing, but to situations wherein you are arrowing around or using review commands. Similar to, or an alternative to, the change pitch for capital letters option, it is just a method of alerting you to capital letters that you are reading. Incidental to speak typed characters, it also happens to beep when you type a capital letter, but that isn't its primary function. The first relates to writing, the second to reading. Neither is "more limited" than the other, they solve different problems. Luke On Thu, 27 Aug 2020, Gene wrote: Does that mean that the more limited one should be removed? -- Quentin Christensen Training and Support Manager Web: www.nvaccess.org Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/ Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/ User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess Twitter: @NVAccess |
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