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In-process is out, this week with news on the upcoming NVDACon, a new accessible graphs project, a space-themed accessible RPG and some general tips on making software accessible: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-7th-september-2020/
Regards
Quentin.
-- Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager
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Here’s hoping it would make the Microsoft Flight
simulator 2020 program more accessible.
Unlike it’s predecessor FSX, FS 2020 is not accessible for we who need to
see with our ears.
Even though, all throughout the newsletters and you tube tutorials, it does
have accessibility if your sighted.
This in short isn’t fair.
So, here’s hoping the newer upgrade to NVDA is more accessible for we blind
flight simmer pilots.
Even though, in my opinion, JAWS is a much better program.
Just my opinion.
Ron Ham Radio and Emergency Communication Station KR3DOG
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
From: Quentin Christensen
Sent: Sunday, September 6, 2020 19:57
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] In-Process for 7th September is
out
In-process is out, this week with news on the upcoming NVDACon, a
new accessible graphs project, a space-themed accessible RPG and some general
tips on making software accessible: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-7th-september-2020/
Regards
Quentin.
--
Quentin
Christensen
Training and Support Manager
In the good
old days of Morse code Shorthand, 73's AKA Best Regards and or Best
Whishes,From
Ron Kolesar
Volunteer Certified Licensed Emergency
Communications Station
And
Volunteer Certified Licensed Ham Radio
Station
With the Call Sign of KR3DOG
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Hmph, if you are happy to pay a load of cash for each version
update from freedomscientiffic or visparo etc thats your issue,
have issues with licences, need scripts for just about everything
like win98 needs drivers, are happy with the possible bad
technical support issues going about and are happy that if it
screws up you need to repair, reinstall or reformat if it totally
goes nuts, not to mention that visparo like suing everyone under
the sun well more than I'd like, go ahead.
When I used their stuff it was ok, but yeah, I never really had
that many problems with it.
Never got into the payed script racket, either.
I had to repair it once or twice, but that was before it became a
beast.
Compaired to nvda well who knows.
The information bandied round the list pluss a few other user
experiences not my own pluss the fact that due to jaws and issues
causing me to have to reformat to make them completely quit, but
mostly information on here pluss what I hear from time to time,
especially with how they got all the competing companies bar
dolphin and that probably because they only just moved out of
using internet explorer puts the impression on me that like
microsoft used to be and may still be that this is a monopoly I
would really like to see the back of.
I certainly am happy I no longer use their software, and unless I
got a job which is what jaws is bandied about by various
governments and stuff, I wouldn't touch it unless I had the cash.
To be hhonest this goes for dolphin stuff which is why I got in
the beta program but that was for a completely selfish reason that
being smuglers, its about all I care about now days.
To be honest, I don't much care for a company who is clearly
running a business for the charity, government and enterprise
market with prices to high for average users to buy, and needing
expensive upgrades and modules for remote access with specialised
blindy bits and bobs.
Nvda and things like narator have opened me to the mainstream,
and with mainstream devices like the amazon echo devices and smart
phones about, when the new normal comes along, I think some of
these things will fall away sharply.
Dolphin seems to recognise this, so does avast.
So does nvaccess which is why I use them for most of my stuff.
Now there are a few things nvda does not do, but everything has
its limits.
But if you plan to use a wordprocesser, a desktop app, a web
brouser or email client or any office app or app using standard
controls or terminals then you don't need jaws for that.
Now some of the mega custom apps and the like specialised
programs, will need specialised software, and yeah, jaws is what
you need and will always need.
Thats not nvda's job.
The job of nvda is to handle all the normal business and home
applications that use standard controls, and the like as well as
web interfaces.
To be honest that is what may happen, specialised software will
need specialised software, and will be charged accordingly.
The only reason I'd get jaws is leasy thats about the only reason
I'd buy jaws now.
And to be honest if leasy would just sell its games module then
I'd just buy that.
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
On 7/09/2020 12:55 pm, Ron Kolesar
wrote:
Here’s hoping it would make the Microsoft Flight
simulator 2020 program more accessible.
Unlike it’s predecessor FSX, FS 2020 is not accessible
for we who need to see with our ears.
Even though, all throughout the newsletters and you tube
tutorials, it does have accessibility if your sighted.
This in short isn’t fair.
So, here’s hoping the newer upgrade to NVDA is more
accessible for we blind flight simmer pilots.
Even though, in my opinion, JAWS is a much better
program.
Just my opinion.
Ron Ham Radio and Emergency Communication Station KR3DOG
From: Quentin Christensen
Sent: Sunday, September 6, 2020 19:57
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] In-Process for 7th September
is out
In-process is out, this week with news on the
upcoming NVDACon, a new accessible graphs project, a
space-themed accessible RPG and some general tips on
making software accessible: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-7th-september-2020/
Regards
Quentin.
--
Quentin
Christensen
Training and Support
Manager
In the good old days of Morse code Shorthand, 73's AKA
Best Regards and or Best Whishes,From
Ron Kolesar
Volunteer Certified Licensed Emergency Communications
Station
And
Volunteer Certified Licensed Ham Radio Station
With the Call Sign of KR3DOG
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This is a long message but the gross and very many inaccuracies in the original message should be corrected. As I explain in my message, having accurate information is very important so blind people can make good choices about if and when to use various programs.
You may have had bad experiences with JAWS but your experience doesn't reflect the general one.
the reason adaptive software for profit is so expensive is that the user base is small and the costs of research and development are paid by a small user base. Other programs that serve a small or very small user base are also very expensive.
You can debate whether JAWS is too expensive but either way, it would be very expensive.
NVDA is largely developed by people making a very low wage, most ;programmers wouldn't work for it and they do so because they are dedicated to the cause, and a good deal of free work gets done.
If JAWS were as prone to problems and as just plain bad as you say, we would see questions and complaints constantly on lists, this isn't working, that doesn't work properly, why is JAWS working in demo mode, that would be a license problem, and so on.
Your account defies common logic and sense because we don't see such things. And where are the complaints of employees and employers, where reliability and productivity are important?
I used JAWS before there was an NVDA and it served me well. There was this or that bug, but in general it worked well and was reliable. I have no reason to believe that isn't the case any longer.
And, whether you know it or not, NVDA uses scripts so what is your point? There may be more people writing scripts for NVDA voluntarily but a racket? Why? Because people have the Gaul to charge for a valuable service? As Biden would say, "come on, man."
In short, both from my experience, which can be argued to be of old versions of JAWS but also just plain common sense and what I don't see on the blindness assistance lists I follow, I see nothing to support your very inaccurate claims and statements.
I won't discuss other things that are important to some JAWS users, such as the ability to have the user customize it without scripting, which can be used to tailor performance with many programs so additional scripts are unnecessary through the use of what JAWS calls frames. I won't discuss the screen echo all setting, which at times, presents useful or necessary information immediately without the need to customize anything. I used hyperterminal for years by simply changing the screen echo to all and I didn’t have to customize a thing.
None of this is to lessen the importance or value of NVDA. But JAWS is important for enough people that it matters that it is around and people should have good information about both screen-readers so that if they want to try or use JAWS for some reason, they won't be discouraged from doing so. Also, for demanding users, it is a good idea to have more than one full screen-reader on a machine even if one is a demo. At times, I use a JAWS demo for some purpose where NVDA doesn't do something well or not at all. I would imagine that if I primarily used JAWS, I would find times where JAWS didn't do something as well or nearly as well as NVDA. As I said, it is important that screen-reader users have accurate information so they may be much better able to make good choices in what they use and how.
Gene
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-----Original Message----- From: Shaun Everiss Sent: Monday, September 07, 2020 2:37 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] In-Process for 7th September is out Hmph, if you are happy to pay a load of cash for each version update from freedomscientiffic or visparo etc thats your issue, have issues with licences, need scripts for just about everything like win98 needs drivers, are happy with the possible bad technical support issues going about and are happy that if it screws up you need to repair, reinstall or reformat if it totally goes nuts, not to mention that visparo like suing everyone under the sun well more than I'd like, go ahead. When I used their stuff it was ok, but yeah, I never really had that many problems with it. Never got into the payed script racket, either. I had to repair it once or twice, but that was before it became a beast. Compaired to nvda well who knows. The information bandied round the list pluss a few other user experiences not my own pluss the fact that due to jaws and issues causing me to have to reformat to make them completely quit, but mostly information on here pluss what I hear from time to time, especially with how they got all the competing companies bar dolphin and that probably because they only just moved out of using internet explorer puts the impression on me that like microsoft used to be and may still be that this is a monopoly I would really like to see the back of. I certainly am happy I no longer use their software, and unless I got a job which is what jaws is bandied about by various governments and stuff, I wouldn't touch it unless I had the cash. To be hhonest this goes for dolphin stuff which is why I got in the beta program but that was for a completely selfish reason that being smuglers, its about all I care about now days. To be honest, I don't much care for a company who is clearly running a business for the charity, government and enterprise market with prices to high for average users to buy, and needing expensive upgrades and modules for remote access with specialised blindy bits and bobs. Nvda and things like narator have opened me to the mainstream, and with mainstream devices like the amazon echo devices and smart phones about, when the new normal comes along, I think some of these things will fall away sharply. Dolphin seems to recognise this, so does avast. So does nvaccess which is why I use them for most of my stuff. Now there are a few things nvda does not do, but everything has its limits. But if you plan to use a wordprocesser, a desktop app, a web brouser or email client or any office app or app using standard controls or terminals then you don't need jaws for that. Now some of the mega custom apps and the like specialised programs, will need specialised software, and yeah, jaws is what you need and will always need. Thats not nvda's job. The job of nvda is to handle all the normal business and home applications that use standard controls, and the like as well as web interfaces. To be honest that is what may happen, specialised software will need specialised software, and will be charged accordingly. The only reason I'd get jaws is leasy thats about the only reason I'd buy jaws now. And to be honest if leasy would just sell its games module then I'd just buy that. On 7/09/2020 12:55 pm, Ron Kolesar wrote: Here’s hoping it would make the Microsoft Flight simulator 2020 program more accessible. Unlike it’s predecessor FSX, FS 2020 is not accessible for we who need to see with our ears. Even though, all throughout the newsletters and you tube tutorials, it does have accessibility if your sighted. This in short isn’t fair. So, here’s hoping the newer upgrade to NVDA is more accessible for we blind flight simmer pilots. Even though, in my opinion, JAWS is a much better program. Just my opinion. Ron Ham Radio and Emergency Communication Station KR3DOG From: Quentin Christensen Sent: Sunday, September 6, 2020 19:57 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] In-Process for 7th September is out In-process is out, this week with news on the upcoming NVDACon, a new accessible graphs project, a space-themed accessible RPG and some general tips on making software accessible: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-7th-september-2020/Regards Quentin. -- Quentin Christensen Training and Support Manager Web: www.nvaccess.org Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvdaFacebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccessTwitter: @NVAccess In the good old days of Morse code Shorthand, 73's AKA Best Regards and or Best Whishes,From Ron Kolesar Volunteer Certified Licensed Emergency Communications Station And Volunteer Certified Licensed Ham Radio Station With the Call Sign of KR3DOG
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I'm not touching the rest of it, but I would say two things about Microsoft flight simulator:
and
Kind regards
Quentin.
On Mon, Sep 7, 2020 at 7:03 PM Gene < gsasner@...> wrote: This is a long message but the gross and very many inaccuracies in the
original message should be corrected. As I explain in my message, having
accurate information is very important so blind people can make good choices
about if and when to use various programs.
You may have had bad experiences with JAWS but your experience doesn't
reflect the general one.
the reason adaptive software for profit is so expensive is that the user
base is small and the costs of research and development are paid by a small
user base. Other programs that serve a small or very small user base are
also very expensive.
You can debate whether JAWS is too expensive but either way, it would be
very expensive.
NVDA is largely developed by people making a very low wage, most
;programmers wouldn't work for it and they do so because they are dedicated
to the cause, and a good deal of free work gets done.
If JAWS were as prone to problems and as just plain bad as you say, we would
see questions and complaints constantly on lists, this isn't working, that
doesn't work properly, why is JAWS working in demo mode, that would be a
license problem, and so on.
Your account defies common logic and sense because we don't see such things.
And where are the complaints of employees and employers, where reliability
and productivity are important?
I used JAWS before there was an NVDA and it served me well. There was this
or that bug, but in general it worked well and was reliable. I have no
reason to believe that isn't the case any longer.
And, whether you know it or not, NVDA uses scripts so what is your point?
There may be more people writing scripts for NVDA voluntarily but a racket?
Why? Because people have the Gaul to charge for a valuable service? As
Biden would say, "come on, man."
In short, both from my experience, which can be argued to be of old versions
of JAWS but also just plain common sense and what I don't see on the
blindness assistance lists I follow, I see nothing to support your very
inaccurate claims and statements.
I won't discuss other things that are important to some JAWS users, such as
the ability to have the user customize it without scripting, which can be
used to tailor performance with many programs so additional scripts are
unnecessary through the use of what JAWS calls frames. I won't discuss the
screen echo all setting, which at times, presents useful or necessary
information immediately without the need to customize anything. I used
hyperterminal for years by simply changing the screen echo to all and I didn’t
have to customize a thing.
None of this is to lessen the importance or value of NVDA. But JAWS is
important for enough people that it matters that it is around and people
should have good information about both screen-readers so that if they want
to try or use JAWS for some reason, they won't be discouraged from doing so.
Also, for demanding users, it is a good idea to have more than one full
screen-reader on a machine even if one is a demo. At times, I use a JAWS
demo for some purpose where NVDA doesn't do something well or not at all. I
would imagine that if I primarily used JAWS, I would find times where JAWS
didn't do something as well or nearly as well as NVDA. As I said, it is
important that screen-reader users have accurate information so they may be
much better able to make good choices in what they use and how.
Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Monday, September 07, 2020 2:37 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] In-Process for 7th September is out
Hmph, if you are happy to pay a load of cash for each version update from
freedomscientiffic or visparo etc thats your issue, have issues with
licences, need scripts for just about everything like win98 needs drivers,
are happy with the possible bad technical support issues going about and are
happy that if it screws up you need to repair, reinstall or reformat if it
totally goes nuts, not to mention that visparo like suing everyone under the
sun well more than I'd like, go ahead.
When I used their stuff it was ok, but yeah, I never really had that many
problems with it.
Never got into the payed script racket, either.
I had to repair it once or twice, but that was before it became a beast.
Compaired to nvda well who knows.
The information bandied round the list pluss a few other user experiences
not my own pluss the fact that due to jaws and issues causing me to have to
reformat to make them completely quit, but mostly information on here pluss
what I hear from time to time, especially with how they got all the
competing companies bar dolphin and that probably because they only just
moved out of using internet explorer puts the impression on me that like
microsoft used to be and may still be that this is a monopoly I would really
like to see the back of.
I certainly am happy I no longer use their software, and unless I got a job
which is what jaws is bandied about by various governments and stuff, I
wouldn't touch it unless I had the cash.
To be hhonest this goes for dolphin stuff which is why I got in the beta
program but that was for a completely selfish reason that being smuglers,
its about all I care about now days.
To be honest, I don't much care for a company who is clearly running a
business for the charity, government and enterprise market with prices to
high for average users to buy, and needing expensive upgrades and modules
for remote access with specialised blindy bits and bobs.
Nvda and things like narator have opened me to the mainstream, and with
mainstream devices like the amazon echo devices and smart phones about, when
the new normal comes along, I think some of these things will fall away
sharply.
Dolphin seems to recognise this, so does avast.
So does nvaccess which is why I use them for most of my stuff.
Now there are a few things nvda does not do, but everything has its limits.
But if you plan to use a wordprocesser, a desktop app, a web brouser or
email client or any office app or app using standard controls or terminals
then you don't need jaws for that.
Now some of the mega custom apps and the like specialised programs, will
need specialised software, and yeah, jaws is what you need and will always
need.
Thats not nvda's job.
The job of nvda is to handle all the normal business and home applications
that use standard controls, and the like as well as web interfaces.
To be honest that is what may happen, specialised software will need
specialised software, and will be charged accordingly.
The only reason I'd get jaws is leasy thats about the only reason I'd buy
jaws now.
And to be honest if leasy would just sell its games module then I'd just buy
that.
On 7/09/2020 12:55 pm, Ron Kolesar wrote:
Here’s hoping it would make the Microsoft Flight simulator 2020 program more
accessible.
Unlike it’s predecessor FSX, FS 2020 is not accessible for we who need to
see with our ears.
Even though, all throughout the newsletters and you tube tutorials, it does
have accessibility if your sighted.
This in short isn’t fair.
So, here’s hoping the newer upgrade to NVDA is more accessible for we blind
flight simmer pilots.
Even though, in my opinion, JAWS is a much better program.
Just my opinion.
Ron Ham Radio and Emergency Communication Station KR3DOG
From: Quentin Christensen
Sent: Sunday, September 6, 2020 19:57
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] In-Process for 7th September is out
In-process is out, this week with news on the upcoming NVDACon, a new
accessible graphs project, a space-themed accessible RPG and some general
tips on making software accessible:
https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-7th-september-2020/
Regards
Quentin.
--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager
Web: www.nvaccess.org
Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/
User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess
In the good old days of Morse code Shorthand, 73's AKA Best Regards and or
Best Whishes,From
Ron Kolesar
Volunteer Certified Licensed Emergency Communications Station
And
Volunteer Certified Licensed Ham Radio Station
With the Call Sign of KR3DOG
-- Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager
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As I’ve said before, I just love NVDA. And it has all the features I need being an average computer user. I do think that NVDA. Should add more of the truly great voices that are out there. I love the 1 core voices and I also love Nuance. I think that Cortana voice is one of the best. I’d like to see her added to NVDA. Without charge. I think the original voices that NVDA. Had are now pasee and should be droped because their quality isn’t good anymore. What do you guys think? Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: Shaun EverissSent: Monday, September 7, 2020 12:37 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.ioSubject: Re: [nvda] In-Process for 7th September is out Hmph, if you are happy to pay a load of cash for each version update from freedomscientiffic or visparo etc thats your issue, have issues with licences, need scripts for just about everything like win98 needs drivers, are happy with the possible bad technical support issues going about and are happy that if it screws up you need to repair, reinstall or reformat if it totally goes nuts, not to mention that visparo like suing everyone under the sun well more than I'd like, go ahead. When I used their stuff it was ok, but yeah, I never really had that many problems with it. Never got into the payed script racket, either. I had to repair it once or twice, but that was before it became a beast. Compaired to nvda well who knows. The information bandied round the list pluss a few other user experiences not my own pluss the fact that due to jaws and issues causing me to have to reformat to make them completely quit, but mostly information on here pluss what I hear from time to time, especially with how they got all the competing companies bar dolphin and that probably because they only just moved out of using internet explorer puts the impression on me that like microsoft used to be and may still be that this is a monopoly I would really like to see the back of. I certainly am happy I no longer use their software, and unless I got a job which is what jaws is bandied about by various governments and stuff, I wouldn't touch it unless I had the cash. To be hhonest this goes for dolphin stuff which is why I got in the beta program but that was for a completely selfish reason that being smuglers, its about all I care about now days. To be honest, I don't much care for a company who is clearly running a business for the charity, government and enterprise market with prices to high for average users to buy, and needing expensive upgrades and modules for remote access with specialised blindy bits and bobs. Nvda and things like narator have opened me to the mainstream, and with mainstream devices like the amazon echo devices and smart phones about, when the new normal comes along, I think some of these things will fall away sharply. Dolphin seems to recognise this, so does avast. So does nvaccess which is why I use them for most of my stuff. Now there are a few things nvda does not do, but everything has its limits. But if you plan to use a wordprocesser, a desktop app, a web brouser or email client or any office app or app using standard controls or terminals then you don't need jaws for that. Now some of the mega custom apps and the like specialised programs, will need specialised software, and yeah, jaws is what you need and will always need. Thats not nvda's job. The job of nvda is to handle all the normal business and home applications that use standard controls, and the like as well as web interfaces. To be honest that is what may happen, specialised software will need specialised software, and will be charged accordingly. The only reason I'd get jaws is leasy thats about the only reason I'd buy jaws now. And to be honest if leasy would just sell its games module then I'd just buy that. On 7/09/2020 12:55 pm, Ron Kolesar wrote: Here’s hoping it would make the Microsoft Flight simulator 2020 program more accessible. Unlike it’s predecessor FSX, FS 2020 is not accessible for we who need to see with our ears. Even though, all throughout the newsletters and you tube tutorials, it does have accessibility if your sighted. This in short isn’t fair. So, here’s hoping the newer upgrade to NVDA is more accessible for we blind flight simmer pilots. Even though, in my opinion, JAWS is a much better program. Ron Ham Radio and Emergency Communication Station KR3DOG From: Quentin Christensen Sent: Sunday, September 6, 2020 19:57 Subject: [nvda] In-Process for 7th September is out In the good old days of Morse code Shorthand, 73's AKA Best Regards and or Best Whishes,From
Ron Kolesar
Volunteer Certified Licensed Emergency Communications Station
And
Volunteer Certified Licensed Ham Radio Station
With the Call Sign of KR3DOG
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I'd also like to see the cortana voice added to NVDA without
charge. I really like how she sounds. My favorite voice in the
one-core voices is thefemale voice called Zera. She sounds very
clear.
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On 9/7/2020 9:04 AM, Leslie wrote:
As I’ve said before, I just love NVDA. And
it has all the features I need being an average computer
user. I do think that NVDA. Should add more of the truly
great voices that are out there. I love the 1 core voices and
I also love Nuance. I think that Cortana voice is one of the
best. I’d like to see her added to NVDA. Without charge. I
think the original voices that NVDA. Had are now pasee and
should be droped because their quality isn’t good anymore.
What do you guys think?
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
Hmph, if you are happy to pay a load of cash for each version
update from freedomscientiffic or visparo etc thats your
issue, have issues with licences, need scripts for just about
everything like win98 needs drivers, are happy with the
possible bad technical support issues going about and are
happy that if it screws up you need to repair, reinstall or
reformat if it totally goes nuts, not to mention that visparo
like suing everyone under the sun well more than I'd like, go
ahead.
When I used their stuff it was ok, but yeah, I never really
had that many problems with it.
Never got into the payed script racket, either.
I had to repair it once or twice, but that was before it
became a beast.
Compaired to nvda well who knows.
The information bandied round the list pluss a few other user
experiences not my own pluss the fact that due to jaws and
issues causing me to have to reformat to make them completely
quit, but mostly information on here pluss what I hear from
time to time, especially with how they got all the competing
companies bar dolphin and that probably because they only just
moved out of using internet explorer puts the impression on me
that like microsoft used to be and may still be that this is a
monopoly I would really like to see the back of.
I certainly am happy I no longer use their software, and
unless I got a job which is what jaws is bandied about by
various governments and stuff, I wouldn't touch it unless I
had the cash.
To be hhonest this goes for dolphin stuff which is why I got
in the beta program but that was for a completely selfish
reason that being smuglers, its about all I care about now
days.
To be honest, I don't much care for a company who is clearly
running a business for the charity, government and enterprise
market with prices to high for average users to buy, and
needing expensive upgrades and modules for remote access with
specialised blindy bits and bobs.
Nvda and things like narator have opened me to the
mainstream, and with mainstream devices like the amazon echo
devices and smart phones about, when the new normal comes
along, I think some of these things will fall away sharply.
Dolphin seems to recognise this, so does avast.
So does nvaccess which is why I use them for most of my
stuff.
Now there are a few things nvda does not do, but everything
has its limits.
But if you plan to use a wordprocesser, a desktop app, a web
brouser or email client or any office app or app using
standard controls or terminals then you don't need jaws for
that.
Now some of the mega custom apps and the like specialised
programs, will need specialised software, and yeah, jaws is
what you need and will always need.
Thats not nvda's job.
The job of nvda is to handle all the normal business and home
applications that use standard controls, and the like as well
as web interfaces.
To be honest that is what may happen, specialised software
will need specialised software, and will be charged
accordingly.
The only reason I'd get jaws is leasy thats about the only
reason I'd buy jaws now.
And to be honest if leasy would just sell its games module
then I'd just buy that.
On 7/09/2020 12:55 pm, Ron Kolesar wrote:
Here’s hoping it would make the
Microsoft Flight simulator 2020 program more
accessible.
Unlike it’s predecessor FSX, FS
2020 is not accessible for we who need to see with our
ears.
Even though, all throughout the
newsletters and you tube tutorials, it does have
accessibility if your sighted.
This in short isn’t fair.
So, here’s hoping the newer upgrade
to NVDA is more accessible for we blind flight simmer
pilots.
Even though, in my opinion, JAWS is
a much better program.
Ron Ham Radio and Emergency
Communication Station KR3DOG
From: Quentin
Christensen
Sent: Sunday,
September 6, 2020 19:57
Subject: [nvda]
In-Process for 7th September is out
In-process is out, this week with
news on the upcoming NVDACon, a new accessible
graphs project, a space-themed accessible RPG and
some general tips on making software accessible: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-7th-september-2020/
Quentin.
--
Quentin
Christensen
Training and Support
Manager
In the good old days of Morse code
Shorthand, 73's AKA Best Regards and or Best
Whishes,From
Ron Kolesar
Volunteer Certified Licensed Emergency Communications
Station
And
Volunteer Certified Licensed Ham Radio Station
With the Call Sign of KR3DOG
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Hay, maybe if we can hear from a large number of people who like these voices, maybe we can get them added to NVDA. As nonpremium voices. We know they are always improving. Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: Rosemarie ChavarriaSent: Monday, September 7, 2020 9:49 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.ioSubject: Re: [nvda] In-Process for 7th September is out I'd also like to see the cortana voice added to NVDA without charge. I really like how she sounds. My favorite voice in the one-core voices is thefemale voice called Zera. She sounds very clear. On 9/7/2020 9:04 AM, Leslie wrote: As I’ve said before, I just love NVDA. And it has all the features I need being an average computer user. I do think that NVDA. Should add more of the truly great voices that are out there. I love the 1 core voices and I also love Nuance. I think that Cortana voice is one of the best. I’d like to see her added to NVDA. Without charge. I think the original voices that NVDA. Had are now pasee and should be droped because their quality isn’t good anymore. What do you guys think? Sent from Mail for Windows 10 Hmph, if you are happy to pay a load of cash for each version update from freedomscientiffic or visparo etc thats your issue, have issues with licences, need scripts for just about everything like win98 needs drivers, are happy with the possible bad technical support issues going about and are happy that if it screws up you need to repair, reinstall or reformat if it totally goes nuts, not to mention that visparo like suing everyone under the sun well more than I'd like, go ahead. When I used their stuff it was ok, but yeah, I never really had that many problems with it. Never got into the payed script racket, either. I had to repair it once or twice, but that was before it became a beast. Compaired to nvda well who knows. The information bandied round the list pluss a few other user experiences not my own pluss the fact that due to jaws and issues causing me to have to reformat to make them completely quit, but mostly information on here pluss what I hear from time to time, especially with how they got all the competing companies bar dolphin and that probably because they only just moved out of using internet explorer puts the impression on me that like microsoft used to be and may still be that this is a monopoly I would really like to see the back of. I certainly am happy I no longer use their software, and unless I got a job which is what jaws is bandied about by various governments and stuff, I wouldn't touch it unless I had the cash. To be hhonest this goes for dolphin stuff which is why I got in the beta program but that was for a completely selfish reason that being smuglers, its about all I care about now days. To be honest, I don't much care for a company who is clearly running a business for the charity, government and enterprise market with prices to high for average users to buy, and needing expensive upgrades and modules for remote access with specialised blindy bits and bobs. Nvda and things like narator have opened me to the mainstream, and with mainstream devices like the amazon echo devices and smart phones about, when the new normal comes along, I think some of these things will fall away sharply. Dolphin seems to recognise this, so does avast. So does nvaccess which is why I use them for most of my stuff. Now there are a few things nvda does not do, but everything has its limits. But if you plan to use a wordprocesser, a desktop app, a web brouser or email client or any office app or app using standard controls or terminals then you don't need jaws for that. Now some of the mega custom apps and the like specialised programs, will need specialised software, and yeah, jaws is what you need and will always need. Thats not nvda's job. The job of nvda is to handle all the normal business and home applications that use standard controls, and the like as well as web interfaces. To be honest that is what may happen, specialised software will need specialised software, and will be charged accordingly. The only reason I'd get jaws is leasy thats about the only reason I'd buy jaws now. And to be honest if leasy would just sell its games module then I'd just buy that. On 7/09/2020 12:55 pm, Ron Kolesar wrote: Here’s hoping it would make the Microsoft Flight simulator 2020 program more accessible. Unlike it’s predecessor FSX, FS 2020 is not accessible for we who need to see with our ears. Even though, all throughout the newsletters and you tube tutorials, it does have accessibility if your sighted. This in short isn’t fair. So, here’s hoping the newer upgrade to NVDA is more accessible for we blind flight simmer pilots. Even though, in my opinion, JAWS is a much better program. Ron Ham Radio and Emergency Communication Station KR3DOG From: Quentin Christensen Sent: Sunday, September 6, 2020 19:57 Subject: [nvda] In-Process for 7th September is out In the good old days of Morse code Shorthand, 73's AKA Best Regards and or Best Whishes,From
Ron Kolesar
Volunteer Certified Licensed Emergency Communications Station
And
Volunteer Certified Licensed Ham Radio Station
With the Call Sign of KR3DOG
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She is my favorite voice also.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria Sent: Monday, September 7, 2020 12:50 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] In-Process for 7th September is out I'd also like to see the cortana voice added to NVDA without charge. I really like how she sounds. My favorite voice in the one-core voices is thefemale voice called Zera. She sounds very clear. On 9/7/2020 9:04 AM, Leslie wrote: As I’ve said before, I just love NVDA. And it has all the features I need being an average computer user. I do think that NVDA. Should add more of the truly great voices that are out there. I love the 1 core voices and I also love Nuance. I think that Cortana voice is one of the best. I’d like to see her added to NVDA. Without charge. I think the original voices that NVDA. Had are now pasee and should be droped because their quality isn’t good anymore. What do you guys think? Sent from Mail for Windows 10 Hmph, if you are happy to pay a load of cash for each version update from freedomscientiffic or visparo etc thats your issue, have issues with licences, need scripts for just about everything like win98 needs drivers, are happy with the possible bad technical support issues going about and are happy that if it screws up you need to repair, reinstall or reformat if it totally goes nuts, not to mention that visparo like suing everyone under the sun well more than I'd like, go ahead. When I used their stuff it was ok, but yeah, I never really had that many problems with it. Never got into the payed script racket, either. I had to repair it once or twice, but that was before it became a beast. Compaired to nvda well who knows. The information bandied round the list pluss a few other user experiences not my own pluss the fact that due to jaws and issues causing me to have to reformat to make them completely quit, but mostly information on here pluss what I hear from time to time, especially with how they got all the competing companies bar dolphin and that probably because they only just moved out of using internet explorer puts the impression on me that like microsoft used to be and may still be that this is a monopoly I would really like to see the back of. I certainly am happy I no longer use their software, and unless I got a job which is what jaws is bandied about by various governments and stuff, I wouldn't touch it unless I had the cash. To be hhonest this goes for dolphin stuff which is why I got in the beta program but that was for a completely selfish reason that being smuglers, its about all I care about now days. To be honest, I don't much care for a company who is clearly running a business for the charity, government and enterprise market with prices to high for average users to buy, and needing expensive upgrades and modules for remote access with specialised blindy bits and bobs. Nvda and things like narator have opened me to the mainstream, and with mainstream devices like the amazon echo devices and smart phones about, when the new normal comes along, I think some of these things will fall away sharply. Dolphin seems to recognise this, so does avast. So does nvaccess which is why I use them for most of my stuff. Now there are a few things nvda does not do, but everything has its limits. But if you plan to use a wordprocesser, a desktop app, a web brouser or email client or any office app or app using standard controls or terminals then you don't need jaws for that. Now some of the mega custom apps and the like specialised programs, will need specialised software, and yeah, jaws is what you need and will always need. Thats not nvda's job. The job of nvda is to handle all the normal business and home applications that use standard controls, and the like as well as web interfaces. To be honest that is what may happen, specialised software will need specialised software, and will be charged accordingly. The only reason I'd get jaws is leasy thats about the only reason I'd buy jaws now. And to be honest if leasy would just sell its games module then I'd just buy that. On 7/09/2020 12:55 pm, Ron Kolesar wrote: Here’s hoping it would make the Microsoft Flight simulator 2020 program more accessible. Unlike it’s predecessor FSX, FS 2020 is not accessible for we who need to see with our ears. Even though, all throughout the newsletters and you tube tutorials, it does have accessibility if your sighted. This in short isn’t fair. So, here’s hoping the newer upgrade to NVDA is more accessible for we blind flight simmer pilots. Even though, in my opinion, JAWS is a much better program. Ron Ham Radio and Emergency Communication Station KR3DOG From: Quentin Christensen Sent: Sunday, September 6, 2020 19:57 Subject: [nvda] In-Process for 7th September is out In the good old days of Morse code Shorthand, 73's AKA Best Regards and or Best Whishes,From
Ron Kolesar
Volunteer Certified Licensed Emergency Communications Station
And
Volunteer Certified Licensed Ham Radio Station
With the Call Sign of KR3DOG
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I haven't found information about this but I suspect the voice isn't on your computer. My guess is that the voice is sent to you in the form of audio which is played. This would save a lot of processing power on the user's machine or device.
The voice may well require far more ;power and storage as to pronunciation of all sorts of unusual words than to be practical on a home machine and the voices of these sorts of digital assistants are remarkably good at inflection and proper pauses, which may require more processing power than would be desirable to use on a home machine.
Also, my mobile phone doesn't begin to have the power and storage to have such a voice on the phone itself. In this case, it’s the Google assistant. I suspect it is the same for all of them, the voice isn't on the device or computer. I doubt a home version of any of these voices is contemplated. If there were one, it might be disappointing.
Gene
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-----Original Message----- From: Rosemarie Chavarria Sent: Monday, September 07, 2020 11:49 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] In-Process for 7th September is out I'd also like to see the cortana voice added to NVDA without charge. I really like how she sounds. My favorite voice in the one-core voices is thefemale voice called Zera. She sounds very clear. On 9/7/2020 9:04 AM, Leslie wrote: As I’ve said before, I just love NVDA. And it has all the features I need being an average computer user. I do think that NVDA. Should add more of the truly great voices that are out there. I love the 1 core voices and I also love Nuance. I think that Cortana voice is one of the best. I’d like to see her added to NVDA. Without charge. I think the original voices that NVDA. Had are now pasee and should be droped because their quality isn’t good anymore. What do you guys think? Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Shaun Everiss Sent: Monday, September 7, 2020 12:37 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] In-Process for 7th September is out Hmph, if you are happy to pay a load of cash for each version update from freedomscientiffic or visparo etc thats your issue, have issues with licences, need scripts for just about everything like win98 needs drivers, are happy with the possible bad technical support issues going about and are happy that if it screws up you need to repair, reinstall or reformat if it totally goes nuts, not to mention that visparo like suing everyone under the sun well more than I'd like, go ahead. When I used their stuff it was ok, but yeah, I never really had that many problems with it. Never got into the payed script racket, either. I had to repair it once or twice, but that was before it became a beast. Compaired to nvda well who knows. The information bandied round the list pluss a few other user experiences not my own pluss the fact that due to jaws and issues causing me to have to reformat to make them completely quit, but mostly information on here pluss what I hear from time to time, especially with how they got all the competing companies bar dolphin and that probably because they only just moved out of using internet explorer puts the impression on me that like microsoft used to be and may still be that this is a monopoly I would really like to see the back of. I certainly am happy I no longer use their software, and unless I got a job which is what jaws is bandied about by various governments and stuff, I wouldn't touch it unless I had the cash. To be hhonest this goes for dolphin stuff which is why I got in the beta program but that was for a completely selfish reason that being smuglers, its about all I care about now days. To be honest, I don't much care for a company who is clearly running a business for the charity, government and enterprise market with prices to high for average users to buy, and needing expensive upgrades and modules for remote access with specialised blindy bits and bobs. Nvda and things like narator have opened me to the mainstream, and with mainstream devices like the amazon echo devices and smart phones about, when the new normal comes along, I think some of these things will fall away sharply. Dolphin seems to recognise this, so does avast. So does nvaccess which is why I use them for most of my stuff. Now there are a few things nvda does not do, but everything has its limits. But if you plan to use a wordprocesser, a desktop app, a web brouser or email client or any office app or app using standard controls or terminals then you don't need jaws for that. Now some of the mega custom apps and the like specialised programs, will need specialised software, and yeah, jaws is what you need and will always need. Thats not nvda's job. The job of nvda is to handle all the normal business and home applications that use standard controls, and the like as well as web interfaces. To be honest that is what may happen, specialised software will need specialised software, and will be charged accordingly. The only reason I'd get jaws is leasy thats about the only reason I'd buy jaws now. And to be honest if leasy would just sell its games module then I'd just buy that. On 7/09/2020 12:55 pm, Ron Kolesar wrote: Here’s hoping it would make the Microsoft Flight simulator 2020 program more accessible. Unlike it’s predecessor FSX, FS 2020 is not accessible for we who need to see with our ears. Even though, all throughout the newsletters and you tube tutorials, it does have accessibility if your sighted. This in short isn’t fair. So, here’s hoping the newer upgrade to NVDA is more accessible for we blind flight simmer pilots. Even though, in my opinion, JAWS is a much better program. Just my opinion. Ron Ham Radio and Emergency Communication Station KR3DOG From: Quentin Christensen Sent: Sunday, September 6, 2020 19:57 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] In-Process for 7th September is out In-process is out, this week with news on the upcoming NVDACon, a new accessible graphs project, a space-themed accessible RPG and some general tips on making software accessible: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-7th-september-2020/Regards Quentin. -- Quentin Christensen Training and Support Manager Web: www.nvaccess.org Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvdaFacebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccessTwitter: @NVAccess In the good old days of Morse code Shorthand, 73's AKA Best Regards and or Best Whishes,From Ron Kolesar Volunteer Certified Licensed Emergency Communications Station And Volunteer Certified Licensed Ham Radio Station With the Call Sign of KR3DOG
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Microsoft Azure is their cloud based service which includes a TTS engine: https://azure.microsoft.com/en-au/services/cognitive-services/text-to-speech/#features
Google also have a cloud service for their TTS engine, and we've had requests to be able to access that as well.
Aside from the question of cost or access to these, the bigger issue is a simple technical one. Online voices are passable for reading a block of text. I can give it a command to read this email, it sends all the text off to the cloud based server, processes it, and gets the speech back which it then plays. There might be a delay of, let's say half a second, while it processes that, and then it reads. Where it gets harder, is if I want to move through the text letter by letter - if it sends off each letter and takes half a second to get back with it, suddenly it's a lot harder to work with and seems very sluggish. Regardless of how fast the processing is on the server, there are still going to be small delays just because we are talking about using the Internet.
And that's assuming we have a reliable connection. Not only does not everyone have a reliable, fast connection, but then a lot of people will be worried about the security and privacy aspects (would you want a third party potentially having access to everything your screenreader reads out? Or even if you are comfortable with that, having it sent over the internet? And the more encryption it has, the more processing time it will take at either end).
So yes, having access to those voices seems great in theory, but certainly there would be a number of hurdles to overcome, both technical, philosophical and contractual, before we could consider offering them in NVDA.
Just to pick up on one other earlier point - regardless of anything else, we do have a lot of users who use eSpeak-NG, so we don't have any plans to stop including that any time soon - it is not large, so simply having it included with NVDA is a very minor issue even if you never use it.
I am intending to update the Extra Voices page a bit more (I know there are some synthesizers on there which do not work with NVDA 2019.3 and later, for instance - so my intention is to create a "Legacy" heading and move them there - so they will still be available for those who want them, but it will be clearer that they aren't current). I'd be very happy to include any other legal voices that people are aware of.
Kind regards
Quentin.
On Tue, Sep 8, 2020 at 3:43 AM Gene < gsasner@...> wrote: I haven't found information about this but I suspect the voice isn't on your
computer. My guess is that the voice is sent to you in the form of audio
which is played. This would save a lot of processing power on the user's
machine or device.
The voice may well require far more ;power and storage as to pronunciation
of all sorts of unusual words than to be practical on a home machine and the
voices of these sorts of digital assistants are remarkably good at
inflection and proper pauses, which may require more processing power than
would be desirable to use on a home machine.
Also, my mobile phone doesn't begin to have the power and storage to have
such a voice on the phone itself. In this case, it’s the Google assistant.
I suspect it is the same for all of them, the voice isn't on the device or
computer. I doubt a home version of any of these voices is contemplated.
If there were one, it might be disappointing.
Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Monday, September 07, 2020 11:49 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] In-Process for 7th September is out
I'd also like to see the cortana voice added to NVDA without charge. I
really like how she sounds. My favorite voice in the one-core voices is
thefemale voice called Zera. She sounds very clear.
On 9/7/2020 9:04 AM, Leslie wrote:
As I’ve said before, I just love NVDA. And it has all the features I need
being an average computer user. I do think that NVDA. Should add more of
the truly great voices that are out there. I love the 1 core voices and I
also love Nuance. I think that Cortana voice is one of the best. I’d like
to see her added to NVDA. Without charge. I think the original voices that
NVDA. Had are now pasee and should be droped because their quality isn’t
good anymore. What do you guys think?
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Monday, September 7, 2020 12:37 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] In-Process for 7th September is out
Hmph, if you are happy to pay a load of cash for each version update from
freedomscientiffic or visparo etc thats your issue, have issues with
licences, need scripts for just about everything like win98 needs drivers,
are happy with the possible bad technical support issues going about and are
happy that if it screws up you need to repair, reinstall or reformat if it
totally goes nuts, not to mention that visparo like suing everyone under the
sun well more than I'd like, go ahead.
When I used their stuff it was ok, but yeah, I never really had that many
problems with it.
Never got into the payed script racket, either.
I had to repair it once or twice, but that was before it became a beast.
Compaired to nvda well who knows.
The information bandied round the list pluss a few other user experiences
not my own pluss the fact that due to jaws and issues causing me to have to
reformat to make them completely quit, but mostly information on here pluss
what I hear from time to time, especially with how they got all the
competing companies bar dolphin and that probably because they only just
moved out of using internet explorer puts the impression on me that like
microsoft used to be and may still be that this is a monopoly I would really
like to see the back of.
I certainly am happy I no longer use their software, and unless I got a job
which is what jaws is bandied about by various governments and stuff, I
wouldn't touch it unless I had the cash.
To be hhonest this goes for dolphin stuff which is why I got in the beta
program but that was for a completely selfish reason that being smuglers,
its about all I care about now days.
To be honest, I don't much care for a company who is clearly running a
business for the charity, government and enterprise market with prices to
high for average users to buy, and needing expensive upgrades and modules
for remote access with specialised blindy bits and bobs.
Nvda and things like narator have opened me to the mainstream, and with
mainstream devices like the amazon echo devices and smart phones about, when
the new normal comes along, I think some of these things will fall away
sharply.
Dolphin seems to recognise this, so does avast.
So does nvaccess which is why I use them for most of my stuff.
Now there are a few things nvda does not do, but everything has its limits.
But if you plan to use a wordprocesser, a desktop app, a web brouser or
email client or any office app or app using standard controls or terminals
then you don't need jaws for that.
Now some of the mega custom apps and the like specialised programs, will
need specialised software, and yeah, jaws is what you need and will always
need.
Thats not nvda's job.
The job of nvda is to handle all the normal business and home applications
that use standard controls, and the like as well as web interfaces.
To be honest that is what may happen, specialised software will need
specialised software, and will be charged accordingly.
The only reason I'd get jaws is leasy thats about the only reason I'd buy
jaws now.
And to be honest if leasy would just sell its games module then I'd just buy
that.
On 7/09/2020 12:55 pm, Ron Kolesar wrote:
Here’s hoping it would make the Microsoft Flight simulator 2020 program more
accessible.
Unlike it’s predecessor FSX, FS 2020 is not accessible for we who need to
see with our ears.
Even though, all throughout the newsletters and you tube tutorials, it does
have accessibility if your sighted.
This in short isn’t fair.
So, here’s hoping the newer upgrade to NVDA is more accessible for we blind
flight simmer pilots.
Even though, in my opinion, JAWS is a much better program.
Just my opinion.
Ron Ham Radio and Emergency Communication Station KR3DOG
From: Quentin Christensen
Sent: Sunday, September 6, 2020 19:57
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] In-Process for 7th September is out
In-process is out, this week with news on the upcoming NVDACon, a new
accessible graphs project, a space-themed accessible RPG and some general
tips on making software accessible:
https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-7th-september-2020/
Regards
Quentin.
--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager
Web: www.nvaccess.org
Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/
User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess
In the good old days of Morse code Shorthand, 73's AKA Best Regards and or
Best Whishes,From
Ron Kolesar
Volunteer Certified Licensed Emergency Communications Station
And
Volunteer Certified Licensed Ham Radio Station
With the Call Sign of KR3DOG
-- Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager
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I think that's a great idea. If more people spoke up about their
favorite voices, we could get them added to NVDA.
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
On 9/7/2020 10:27 AM, Leslie wrote:
Hay, maybe if we can hear from a large
number of people who like these voices, maybe we can get them
added to NVDA. As nonpremium voices. We know they are always
improving.
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
I'd also like to see the cortana voice added to NVDA without
charge. I really like how she sounds. My favorite voice in the
one-core voices is thefemale voice called Zera. She sounds
very clear.
On 9/7/2020 9:04 AM, Leslie wrote:
As I’ve said before, I just love NVDA.
And it has all the features I need being an average
computer user. I do think that NVDA. Should add more of
the truly great voices that are out there. I love the 1
core voices and I also love Nuance. I think that Cortana
voice is one of the best. I’d like to see her added to
NVDA. Without charge. I think the original voices that
NVDA. Had are now pasee and should be droped because their
quality isn’t good anymore. What do you guys think?
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
Hmph, if you are happy to pay a load of cash for each
version update from freedomscientiffic or visparo etc
thats your issue, have issues with licences, need scripts
for just about everything like win98 needs drivers, are
happy with the possible bad technical support issues going
about and are happy that if it screws up you need to
repair, reinstall or reformat if it totally goes nuts, not
to mention that visparo like suing everyone under the sun
well more than I'd like, go ahead.
When I used their stuff it was ok, but yeah, I never
really had that many problems with it.
Never got into the payed script racket, either.
I had to repair it once or twice, but that was before it
became a beast.
Compaired to nvda well who knows.
The information bandied round the list pluss a few other
user experiences not my own pluss the fact that due to
jaws and issues causing me to have to reformat to make
them completely quit, but mostly information on here pluss
what I hear from time to time, especially with how they
got all the competing companies bar dolphin and that
probably because they only just moved out of using
internet explorer puts the impression on me that like
microsoft used to be and may still be that this is a
monopoly I would really like to see the back of.
I certainly am happy I no longer use their software, and
unless I got a job which is what jaws is bandied about by
various governments and stuff, I wouldn't touch it unless
I had the cash.
To be hhonest this goes for dolphin stuff which is why I
got in the beta program but that was for a completely
selfish reason that being smuglers, its about all I care
about now days.
To be honest, I don't much care for a company who is
clearly running a business for the charity, government and
enterprise market with prices to high for average users to
buy, and needing expensive upgrades and modules for remote
access with specialised blindy bits and bobs.
Nvda and things like narator have opened me to the
mainstream, and with mainstream devices like the amazon
echo devices and smart phones about, when the new normal
comes along, I think some of these things will fall away
sharply.
Dolphin seems to recognise this, so does avast.
So does nvaccess which is why I use them for most of my
stuff.
Now there are a few things nvda does not do, but
everything has its limits.
But if you plan to use a wordprocesser, a desktop app, a
web brouser or email client or any office app or app using
standard controls or terminals then you don't need jaws
for that.
Now some of the mega custom apps and the like specialised
programs, will need specialised software, and yeah, jaws
is what you need and will always need.
Thats not nvda's job.
The job of nvda is to handle all the normal business and
home applications that use standard controls, and the like
as well as web interfaces.
To be honest that is what may happen, specialised
software will need specialised software, and will be
charged accordingly.
The only reason I'd get jaws is leasy thats about the
only reason I'd buy jaws now.
And to be honest if leasy would just sell its games
module then I'd just buy that.
On 7/09/2020 12:55 pm, Ron Kolesar
wrote:
Here’s hoping it would make the
Microsoft Flight simulator 2020 program more
accessible.
Unlike it’s predecessor FSX, FS
2020 is not accessible for we who need to see with
our ears.
Even though, all throughout the
newsletters and you tube tutorials, it does have
accessibility if your sighted.
This in short isn’t fair.
So, here’s hoping the newer
upgrade to NVDA is more accessible for we blind
flight simmer pilots.
Even though, in my opinion,
JAWS is a much better program.
Ron Ham Radio and Emergency
Communication Station KR3DOG
From: Quentin
Christensen
Sent: Sunday,
September 6, 2020 19:57
Subject: [nvda]
In-Process for 7th September is out
In-process is out, this week
with news on the upcoming NVDACon, a new
accessible graphs project, a space-themed
accessible RPG and some general tips on making
software accessible: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-7th-september-2020/
Quentin.
--
Quentin
Christensen
Training and
Support Manager
In the good old days of Morse
code Shorthand, 73's AKA Best Regards and or Best
Whishes,From
Ron Kolesar
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Communications Station
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Volunteer Certified Licensed Ham Radio Station
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Yes, When I set up nvda on this win 10 desktop, it did not take me long to choose Zera as my default voice. It just works for me.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: September 7, 2020 7:16 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] In-Process for 7th September is out I think that's a great idea. If more people spoke up about their favorite voices, we could get them added to NVDA. On 9/7/2020 10:27 AM, Leslie wrote: Hay, maybe if we can hear from a large number of people who like these voices, maybe we can get them added to NVDA. As nonpremium voices. We know they are always improving. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 I'd also like to see the cortana voice added to NVDA without charge. I really like how she sounds. My favorite voice in the one-core voices is thefemale voice called Zera. She sounds very clear. On 9/7/2020 9:04 AM, Leslie wrote: As I’ve said before, I just love NVDA. And it has all the features I need being an average computer user. I do think that NVDA. Should add more of the truly great voices that are out there. I love the 1 core voices and I also love Nuance. I think that Cortana voice is one of the best. I’d like to see her added to NVDA. Without charge. I think the original voices that NVDA. Had are now pasee and should be droped because their quality isn’t good anymore. What do you guys think? Sent from Mail for Windows 10 Hmph, if you are happy to pay a load of cash for each version update from freedomscientiffic or visparo etc thats your issue, have issues with licences, need scripts for just about everything like win98 needs drivers, are happy with the possible bad technical support issues going about and are happy that if it screws up you need to repair, reinstall or reformat if it totally goes nuts, not to mention that visparo like suing everyone under the sun well more than I'd like, go ahead. When I used their stuff it was ok, but yeah, I never really had that many problems with it. Never got into the payed script racket, either. I had to repair it once or twice, but that was before it became a beast. Compaired to nvda well who knows. The information bandied round the list pluss a few other user experiences not my own pluss the fact that due to jaws and issues causing me to have to reformat to make them completely quit, but mostly information on here pluss what I hear from time to time, especially with how they got all the competing companies bar dolphin and that probably because they only just moved out of using internet explorer puts the impression on me that like microsoft used to be and may still be that this is a monopoly I would really like to see the back of. I certainly am happy I no longer use their software, and unless I got a job which is what jaws is bandied about by various governments and stuff, I wouldn't touch it unless I had the cash. To be hhonest this goes for dolphin stuff which is why I got in the beta program but that was for a completely selfish reason that being smuglers, its about all I care about now days. To be honest, I don't much care for a company who is clearly running a business for the charity, government and enterprise market with prices to high for average users to buy, and needing expensive upgrades and modules for remote access with specialised blindy bits and bobs. Nvda and things like narator have opened me to the mainstream, and with mainstream devices like the amazon echo devices and smart phones about, when the new normal comes along, I think some of these things will fall away sharply. Dolphin seems to recognise this, so does avast. So does nvaccess which is why I use them for most of my stuff. Now there are a few things nvda does not do, but everything has its limits. But if you plan to use a wordprocesser, a desktop app, a web brouser or email client or any office app or app using standard controls or terminals then you don't need jaws for that. Now some of the mega custom apps and the like specialised programs, will need specialised software, and yeah, jaws is what you need and will always need. Thats not nvda's job. The job of nvda is to handle all the normal business and home applications that use standard controls, and the like as well as web interfaces. To be honest that is what may happen, specialised software will need specialised software, and will be charged accordingly. The only reason I'd get jaws is leasy thats about the only reason I'd buy jaws now. And to be honest if leasy would just sell its games module then I'd just buy that. On 7/09/2020 12:55 pm, Ron Kolesar wrote: Here’s hoping it would make the Microsoft Flight simulator 2020 program more accessible. Unlike it’s predecessor FSX, FS 2020 is not accessible for we who need to see with our ears. Even though, all throughout the newsletters and you tube tutorials, it does have accessibility if your sighted. This in short isn’t fair. So, here’s hoping the newer upgrade to NVDA is more accessible for we blind flight simmer pilots. Even though, in my opinion, JAWS is a much better program. Ron Ham Radio and Emergency Communication Station KR3DOG From: Quentin Christensen Sent: Sunday, September 6, 2020 19:57 Subject: [nvda] In-Process for 7th September is out In the good old days of Morse code Shorthand, 73's AKA Best Regards and or Best Whishes,From
Ron Kolesar
Volunteer Certified Licensed Emergency Communications Station
And
Volunteer Certified Licensed Ham Radio Station
With the Call Sign of KR3DOG
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Hi, I’m afraid that adding built-in support for a speech synthesizer will require months of careful planning – licensing, cost, contracts and such. Cheers, Joseph
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria Sent: Monday, September 7, 2020 6:16 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] In-Process for 7th September is out I think that's a great idea. If more people spoke up about their favorite voices, we could get them added to NVDA. On 9/7/2020 10:27 AM, Leslie wrote: Hay, maybe if we can hear from a large number of people who like these voices, maybe we can get them added to NVDA. As nonpremium voices. We know they are always improving. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 I'd also like to see the cortana voice added to NVDA without charge. I really like how she sounds. My favorite voice in the one-core voices is thefemale voice called Zera. She sounds very clear. On 9/7/2020 9:04 AM, Leslie wrote: As I’ve said before, I just love NVDA. And it has all the features I need being an average computer user. I do think that NVDA. Should add more of the truly great voices that are out there. I love the 1 core voices and I also love Nuance. I think that Cortana voice is one of the best. I’d like to see her added to NVDA. Without charge. I think the original voices that NVDA. Had are now pasee and should be droped because their quality isn’t good anymore. What do you guys think? Sent from Mail for Windows 10 Hmph, if you are happy to pay a load of cash for each version update from freedomscientiffic or visparo etc thats your issue, have issues with licences, need scripts for just about everything like win98 needs drivers, are happy with the possible bad technical support issues going about and are happy that if it screws up you need to repair, reinstall or reformat if it totally goes nuts, not to mention that visparo like suing everyone under the sun well more than I'd like, go ahead. When I used their stuff it was ok, but yeah, I never really had that many problems with it. Never got into the payed script racket, either. I had to repair it once or twice, but that was before it became a beast. Compaired to nvda well who knows. The information bandied round the list pluss a few other user experiences not my own pluss the fact that due to jaws and issues causing me to have to reformat to make them completely quit, but mostly information on here pluss what I hear from time to time, especially with how they got all the competing companies bar dolphin and that probably because they only just moved out of using internet explorer puts the impression on me that like microsoft used to be and may still be that this is a monopoly I would really like to see the back of. I certainly am happy I no longer use their software, and unless I got a job which is what jaws is bandied about by various governments and stuff, I wouldn't touch it unless I had the cash. To be hhonest this goes for dolphin stuff which is why I got in the beta program but that was for a completely selfish reason that being smuglers, its about all I care about now days. To be honest, I don't much care for a company who is clearly running a business for the charity, government and enterprise market with prices to high for average users to buy, and needing expensive upgrades and modules for remote access with specialised blindy bits and bobs. Nvda and things like narator have opened me to the mainstream, and with mainstream devices like the amazon echo devices and smart phones about, when the new normal comes along, I think some of these things will fall away sharply. Dolphin seems to recognise this, so does avast. So does nvaccess which is why I use them for most of my stuff. Now there are a few things nvda does not do, but everything has its limits. But if you plan to use a wordprocesser, a desktop app, a web brouser or email client or any office app or app using standard controls or terminals then you don't need jaws for that. Now some of the mega custom apps and the like specialised programs, will need specialised software, and yeah, jaws is what you need and will always need. Thats not nvda's job. The job of nvda is to handle all the normal business and home applications that use standard controls, and the like as well as web interfaces. To be honest that is what may happen, specialised software will need specialised software, and will be charged accordingly. The only reason I'd get jaws is leasy thats about the only reason I'd buy jaws now. And to be honest if leasy would just sell its games module then I'd just buy that. On 7/09/2020 12:55 pm, Ron Kolesar wrote: Here’s hoping it would make the Microsoft Flight simulator 2020 program more accessible. Unlike it’s predecessor FSX, FS 2020 is not accessible for we who need to see with our ears. Even though, all throughout the newsletters and you tube tutorials, it does have accessibility if your sighted. This in short isn’t fair. So, here’s hoping the newer upgrade to NVDA is more accessible for we blind flight simmer pilots. Even though, in my opinion, JAWS is a much better program. Ron Ham Radio and Emergency Communication Station KR3DOG From: Quentin Christensen Sent: Sunday, September 6, 2020 19:57 Subject: [nvda] In-Process for 7th September is out In the good old days of Morse code Shorthand, 73's AKA Best Regards and or Best Whishes,From
Ron Kolesar
Volunteer Certified Licensed Emergency Communications Station
And
Volunteer Certified Licensed Ham Radio Station
With the Call Sign of KR3DOG
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I think the model that nvda has the voice modules is a good one If people want to buy premium voices then there’s an option there for them to do so I also like the idea of add-ons for the screen reader in that they can be chosen by user for the system that they have If we incorporate premium voices and other things then we will have to make the screen reader more expensive like its competitor and it will become bloated also with parts that not all users want
On 8 Sep 2020, at 10:58 am, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote: Hi, I’m afraid that adding built-in support for a speech synthesizer will require months of careful planning – licensing, cost, contracts and such. Cheers, Joseph From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Monday, September 7, 2020 6:16 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] In-Process for 7th September is out I think that's a great idea. If more people spoke up about their favorite voices, we could get them added to NVDA. On 9/7/2020 10:27 AM, Leslie wrote: Hay, maybe if we can hear from a large number of people who like these voices, maybe we can get them added to NVDA. As nonpremium voices. We know they are always improving. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 I'd also like to see the cortana voice added to NVDA without charge. I really like how she sounds. My favorite voice in the one-core voices is thefemale voice called Zera. She sounds very clear. On 9/7/2020 9:04 AM, Leslie wrote: As I’ve said before, I just love NVDA. And it has all the features I need being an average computer user. I do think that NVDA. Should add more of the truly great voices that are out there. I love the 1 core voices and I also love Nuance. I think that Cortana voice is one of the best. I’d like to see her added to NVDA. Without charge. I think the original voices that NVDA. Had are now pasee and should be droped because their quality isn’t good anymore. What do you guys think? Sent from Mail for Windows 10 Hmph, if you are happy to pay a load of cash for each version update from freedomscientiffic or visparo etc thats your issue, have issues with licences, need scripts for just about everything like win98 needs drivers, are happy with the possible bad technical support issues going about and are happy that if it screws up you need to repair, reinstall or reformat if it totally goes nuts, not to mention that visparo like suing everyone under the sun well more than I'd like, go ahead. When I used their stuff it was ok, but yeah, I never really had that many problems with it. Never got into the payed script racket, either. I had to repair it once or twice, but that was before it became a beast. Compaired to nvda well who knows. The information bandied round the list pluss a few other user experiences not my own pluss the fact that due to jaws and issues causing me to have to reformat to make them completely quit, but mostly information on here pluss what I hear from time to time, especially with how they got all the competing companies bar dolphin and that probably because they only just moved out of using internet explorer puts the impression on me that like microsoft used to be and may still be that this is a monopoly I would really like to see the back of. I certainly am happy I no longer use their software, and unless I got a job which is what jaws is bandied about by various governments and stuff, I wouldn't touch it unless I had the cash. To be hhonest this goes for dolphin stuff which is why I got in the beta program but that was for a completely selfish reason that being smuglers, its about all I care about now days. To be honest, I don't much care for a company who is clearly running a business for the charity, government and enterprise market with prices to high for average users to buy, and needing expensive upgrades and modules for remote access with specialised blindy bits and bobs. Nvda and things like narator have opened me to the mainstream, and with mainstream devices like the amazon echo devices and smart phones about, when the new normal comes along, I think some of these things will fall away sharply. Dolphin seems to recognise this, so does avast. So does nvaccess which is why I use them for most of my stuff. Now there are a few things nvda does not do, but everything has its limits. But if you plan to use a wordprocesser, a desktop app, a web brouser or email client or any office app or app using standard controls or terminals then you don't need jaws for that. Now some of the mega custom apps and the like specialised programs, will need specialised software, and yeah, jaws is what you need and will always need. Thats not nvda's job. The job of nvda is to handle all the normal business and home applications that use standard controls, and the like as well as web interfaces. To be honest that is what may happen, specialised software will need specialised software, and will be charged accordingly. The only reason I'd get jaws is leasy thats about the only reason I'd buy jaws now. And to be honest if leasy would just sell its games module then I'd just buy that. On 7/09/2020 12:55 pm, Ron Kolesar wrote: Here’s hoping it would make the Microsoft Flight simulator 2020 program more accessible. Unlike it’s predecessor FSX, FS 2020 is not accessible for we who need to see with our ears. Even though, all throughout the newsletters and you tube tutorials, it does have accessibility if your sighted. This in short isn’t fair. So, here’s hoping the newer upgrade to NVDA is more accessible for we blind flight simmer pilots. Even though, in my opinion, JAWS is a much better program. Ron Ham Radio and Emergency Communication Station KR3DOG From: Quentin Christensen Sent: Sunday, September 6, 2020 19:57 Subject: [nvda] In-Process for 7th September is out In the good old days of Morse code Shorthand, 73's AKA Best Regards and or Best Whishes,From
Ron Kolesar
Volunteer Certified Licensed Emergency Communications Station
And
Volunteer Certified Licensed Ham Radio Station
With the Call Sign of KR3DOG
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On Mon, 7 Sep 2020, Leslie wrote: As I’ve said before, I just love NVDA. And it has all the features I need being an average computer user. I do think that NVDA. Should add more of the
truly great voices that are out there. I love the 1 core voices and I also love Nuance. I think that Cortana voice is one of the best. I’d like to see
her added to NVDA. Without charge. I think the original voices that NVDA. Had are now pasee and should be droped because their quality isn’t good anymore.
What do you guys think? I think by "original voices", you mean Espeak. That being the case, I couldn't disagree more. Its quality may not be what you want, but Espeak, in my workflow, sounds much better and more clear at high rates of speed than OneCore does. Plus, One Core is just not my cup of tea. Too many pauses, and it does weird things to some words. How does it hurt anything to continue including Espeak? It isn't the default, and if you don't like it, you don't have to use it. Which is the point: different people like different things, and "most human like" of the voice is not a quality that everyone values or weights equally. Clarity and comprehensibility at significant rates of speech is much more interesting to me. Plus, I'm pretty sure eSpeak supports many more languages than most of the higher quality voices, although I could be wrong about that by now. Luke
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As far as e-speak, my favorite voice in that one is male 2.
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On 9/7/2020 9:22 PM, Luke Davis wrote: On Mon, 7 Sep 2020, Leslie wrote:
As I’ve said before, I just love NVDA. And it has all the features I need being an average computer user. I do think that NVDA. Should add more of the
truly great voices that are out there. I love the 1 core voices and I also love Nuance. I think that Cortana voice is one of the best. I’d like to see
her added to NVDA. Without charge. I think the original voices that NVDA. Had are now pasee and should be droped because their quality isn’t good anymore.
What do you guys think? I think by "original voices", you mean Espeak. That being the case, I couldn't disagree more.
Its quality may not be what you want, but Espeak, in my workflow, sounds much better and more clear at high rates of speed than OneCore does. Plus, One Core is just not my cup of tea. Too many pauses, and it does weird things to some words.
How does it hurt anything to continue including Espeak? It isn't the default, and if you don't like it, you don't have to use it.
Which is the point: different people like different things, and "most human like" of the voice is not a quality that everyone values or weights equally. Clarity and comprehensibility at significant rates of speech is much more interesting to me.
Plus, I'm pretty sure eSpeak supports many more languages than most of the higher quality voices, although I could be wrong about that by now.
Luke
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I personally cannot see this happening. Licensing issues and all of that, plus NVDA could become bloated, and we do not want that.
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On 7 Sep 2020, at 18:15, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
I think that's a great idea. If more people spoke up about their
favorite voices, we could get them added to NVDA.
On 9/7/2020 10:27 AM, Leslie wrote:
Hay, maybe if we can hear from a large
number of people who like these voices, maybe we can get them
added to NVDA. As nonpremium voices. We know they are always
improving.
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
I'd also like to see the cortana voice added to NVDA without
charge. I really like how she sounds. My favorite voice in the
one-core voices is thefemale voice called Zera. She sounds
very clear.
On 9/7/2020 9:04 AM, Leslie wrote:
As I’ve said before, I just love NVDA.
And it has all the features I need being an average
computer user. I do think that NVDA. Should add more of
the truly great voices that are out there. I love the 1
core voices and I also love Nuance. I think that Cortana
voice is one of the best. I’d like to see her added to
NVDA. Without charge. I think the original voices that
NVDA. Had are now pasee and should be droped because their
quality isn’t good anymore. What do you guys think?
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
Hmph, if you are happy to pay a load of cash for each
version update from freedomscientiffic or visparo etc
thats your issue, have issues with licences, need scripts
for just about everything like win98 needs drivers, are
happy with the possible bad technical support issues going
about and are happy that if it screws up you need to
repair, reinstall or reformat if it totally goes nuts, not
to mention that visparo like suing everyone under the sun
well more than I'd like, go ahead.
When I used their stuff it was ok, but yeah, I never
really had that many problems with it.
Never got into the payed script racket, either.
I had to repair it once or twice, but that was before it
became a beast.
Compaired to nvda well who knows.
The information bandied round the list pluss a few other
user experiences not my own pluss the fact that due to
jaws and issues causing me to have to reformat to make
them completely quit, but mostly information on here pluss
what I hear from time to time, especially with how they
got all the competing companies bar dolphin and that
probably because they only just moved out of using
internet explorer puts the impression on me that like
microsoft used to be and may still be that this is a
monopoly I would really like to see the back of.
I certainly am happy I no longer use their software, and
unless I got a job which is what jaws is bandied about by
various governments and stuff, I wouldn't touch it unless
I had the cash.
To be hhonest this goes for dolphin stuff which is why I
got in the beta program but that was for a completely
selfish reason that being smuglers, its about all I care
about now days.
To be honest, I don't much care for a company who is
clearly running a business for the charity, government and
enterprise market with prices to high for average users to
buy, and needing expensive upgrades and modules for remote
access with specialised blindy bits and bobs.
Nvda and things like narator have opened me to the
mainstream, and with mainstream devices like the amazon
echo devices and smart phones about, when the new normal
comes along, I think some of these things will fall away
sharply.
Dolphin seems to recognise this, so does avast.
So does nvaccess which is why I use them for most of my
stuff.
Now there are a few things nvda does not do, but
everything has its limits.
But if you plan to use a wordprocesser, a desktop app, a
web brouser or email client or any office app or app using
standard controls or terminals then you don't need jaws
for that.
Now some of the mega custom apps and the like specialised
programs, will need specialised software, and yeah, jaws
is what you need and will always need.
Thats not nvda's job.
The job of nvda is to handle all the normal business and
home applications that use standard controls, and the like
as well as web interfaces.
To be honest that is what may happen, specialised
software will need specialised software, and will be
charged accordingly.
The only reason I'd get jaws is leasy thats about the
only reason I'd buy jaws now.
And to be honest if leasy would just sell its games
module then I'd just buy that.
On 7/09/2020 12:55 pm, Ron Kolesar
wrote:
Here’s hoping it would make the
Microsoft Flight simulator 2020 program more
accessible.
Unlike it’s predecessor FSX, FS
2020 is not accessible for we who need to see with
our ears.
Even though, all throughout the
newsletters and you tube tutorials, it does have
accessibility if your sighted.
This in short isn’t fair.
So, here’s hoping the newer
upgrade to NVDA is more accessible for we blind
flight simmer pilots.
Even though, in my opinion,
JAWS is a much better program.
Ron Ham Radio and Emergency
Communication Station KR3DOG
From: Quentin
Christensen
Sent: Sunday,
September 6, 2020 19:57
Subject: [nvda]
In-Process for 7th September is out
In-process is out, this week
with news on the upcoming NVDACon, a new
accessible graphs project, a space-themed
accessible RPG and some general tips on making
software accessible: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-7th-september-2020/
Quentin.
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Quentin
Christensen
Training and
Support Manager
In the good old days of Morse
code Shorthand, 73's AKA Best Regards and or Best
Whishes,From
Ron Kolesar
Volunteer Certified Licensed Emergency
Communications Station
And
Volunteer Certified Licensed Ham Radio Station
With the Call Sign of KR3DOG
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molly the blind tech lover
Hi.
I often switch between OneCore and Espeak.
I use OneCore for reading novels, but I like to use eSpeak for reading email, and using Webex for school, when I need to have NVDA speak information quickly.
I find that I can understand eSpeak at much faster rates than OneCore.
So I am glad we have both options ☺
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-----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2020 12:39 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] In-Process for 7th September is out As far as e-speak, my favorite voice in that one is male 2. On 9/7/2020 9:22 PM, Luke Davis wrote: On Mon, 7 Sep 2020, Leslie wrote:
As Iʼve said before, I just love NVDA. And it has all the features I
need being an average computer user. I do think that NVDA. Should add
more of the truly great voices that are out there. I love the 1 core
voices and I also love Nuance. I think that Cortana voice is one of
the best.
Iʼd like to see
her added to NVDA. Without charge. I think the original voices that
NVDA. Had are now pasee and should be droped because their quality
isnʼt good anymore.
What do you guys think? I think by "original voices", you mean Espeak. That being the case, I
couldn't disagree more.
Its quality may not be what you want, but Espeak, in my workflow,
sounds much better and more clear at high rates of speed than OneCore
does. Plus, One Core is just not my cup of tea. Too many pauses, and
it does weird things to some words.
How does it hurt anything to continue including Espeak? It isn't the
default, and if you don't like it, you don't have to use it.
Which is the point: different people like different things, and "most
human like" of the voice is not a quality that everyone values or
weights equally. Clarity and comprehensibility at significant rates of
speech is much more interesting to me.
Plus, I'm pretty sure eSpeak supports many more languages than most of
the higher quality voices, although I could be wrong about that by now.
Luke
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While Espeak isn't my primary synthesizer it was for many years and there are times when I still find it beneficial. As others have said it is very easy to understand it at very fast rates of speed. Also, synths like Espeak have a very predictable way of pronouncing words. Many of today's more human sounding voices tend to do odd, unexpected and sometimes jarring things to certain combinations of letters that can really interrupt the reading flow. Not to mention that Espeak may well be one of the most responsive synths in NVDA.
David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019
WWW.DavidGoldfield.org
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On 9/8/2020 8:40 AM, molly the blind tech lover wrote: Hi.
I often switch between OneCore and Espeak.
I use OneCore for reading novels, but I like to use eSpeak for reading email, and using Webex for school, when I need to have NVDA speak information quickly.
I find that I can understand eSpeak at much faster rates than OneCore.
So I am glad we have both options ☺
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2020 12:39 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] In-Process for 7th September is out
As far as e-speak, my favorite voice in that one is male 2.
On 9/7/2020 9:22 PM, Luke Davis wrote:
On Mon, 7 Sep 2020, Leslie wrote:
As Iʼve said before, I just love NVDA. And it has all the features I
need being an average computer user. I do think that NVDA. Should add
more of the truly great voices that are out there. I love the 1 core
voices and I also love Nuance. I think that Cortana voice is one of
the best.
Iʼd like to see
her added to NVDA. Without charge. I think the original voices that
NVDA. Had are now pasee and should be droped because their quality
isnʼt good anymore.
What do you guys think? I think by "original voices", you mean Espeak. That being the case, I
couldn't disagree more.
Its quality may not be what you want, but Espeak, in my workflow,
sounds much better and more clear at high rates of speed than OneCore
does. Plus, One Core is just not my cup of tea. Too many pauses, and
it does weird things to some words.
How does it hurt anything to continue including Espeak? It isn't the
default, and if you don't like it, you don't have to use it.
Which is the point: different people like different things, and "most
human like" of the voice is not a quality that everyone values or
weights equally. Clarity and comprehensibility at significant rates of
speech is much more interesting to me.
Plus, I'm pretty sure eSpeak supports many more languages than most of
the higher quality voices, although I could be wrong about that by now.
Luke
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