NVDA reading names of selected files in a file list
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Janet Brandly
Hello all, I’m using the latest NVDA (not the beta) with windows 10 I’m trying to move some files from my downloads folder into my documents folder and using the shift + down-arrow keys to select them, but NVDA isn’t confirming that they’re selected when I use the “read selected text” command. Is there a better command to use to confirm that files are selected for moving, copying, ect? Thanks, Janet
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Gene
I don't know what Windows 10 does, Windows 7 displays a status line you can read that tells you the number of files selected.
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As I recall, the NVDA command to read what is selected only applies to text. Gene
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From: Janet Brandly Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 9:27 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] Reading names of selected files Hello all, I’m using the latest NVDA (not the beta) with windows 10 I’m trying to move some files from my downloads folder into my documents folder and using the shift + down-arrow keys to select them, but NVDA isn’t confirming that they’re selected when I use the “read selected text” command. Is there a better command to use to confirm that files are selected for moving, copying, ect? Thanks, Janet
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Aravind R
use tab and shift+tab to ensure you are in list view for selecting files.
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On 17/09/2020, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
I don't know what Windows 10 does, Windows 7 displays a status line you can -- -- --
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Quentin Christensen
Normally, as Gene noted, you should be able to use NVDA+end / NVDA+shift+end to read the status bar, however there is a bug preventing that from Working in File Explorer in Windows 10 - https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6769 One thing you can do, is use NVDA's next and previous object commands (NVDA+numpad 4 / NVDA+shift+left arrow for previous, NVDA+numpad 6 / NVDA+shift+right arrow for next). That will move object navigation through the items in the list. One quirk is it won't announce "selected" for items which are selected, but will announce "not selected" for items which are not selected. (It's not so much a bug as, 99% of the time people are moving through the list one item at a time and don't want to hear every item as selected). Quentin.
On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 12:39 PM Aravind R <aravind.andhrabank@...> wrote: use tab and shift+tab to ensure you are in list view for selecting files. --
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Rui Fontes
Hello Quentin!
Ther is a add-on, develloped by me, that allows the reading of status bar in Windows 10 File explorer... You can get it at: https://www.tiflotecnia.net/ZExplorer.nvda-addon
The option that I think Janet wants does not exist in NVDA, meaning that NVDA have no way to read the name of selected files...
Rui Fontes NVDA portuguese team
Às 09:16 de 17/09/2020, Quentin
Christensen escreveu:
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Janet Brandly
Hello again all, Thank you for answering my question about reading selected files in WE. I’m disappointed that NVDA cannot do this, it seems like a pretty basic requirement of a screen reader. Hopefully this problem can be resolved soon, perhaps with the beta? Meanwhile, I will try the addon mentioned below. I really appreciate the responsiveness of people on this list. Janet
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rui Fontes
Sent: September 17, 2020 4:20 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading names of selected files
Hello Quentin!
Ther is a add-on, develloped by me, that allows the reading of status bar in Windows 10 File explorer... You can get it at: https://www.tiflotecnia.net/ZExplorer.nvda-addon
The option that I think Janet wants does not exist in NVDA, meaning that NVDA have no way to read the name of selected files...
Rui Fontes NVDA portuguese team
Às 09:16 de 17/09/2020, Quentin Christensen escreveu:
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Janet Brandly
Hello Rui, I just had a look at your addon and it doesn’t seem to be compatible with the latest stable version of NVDA. That’s unfortunate. Janet
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rui Fontes
Sent: September 17, 2020 4:20 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading names of selected files
Hello Quentin!
Ther is a add-on, develloped by me, that allows the reading of status bar in Windows 10 File explorer... You can get it at: https://www.tiflotecnia.net/ZExplorer.nvda-addon
The option that I think Janet wants does not exist in NVDA, meaning that NVDA have no way to read the name of selected files...
Rui Fontes NVDA portuguese team
Às 09:16 de 17/09/2020, Quentin Christensen escreveu:
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On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 01:08 PM, Janet Brandly wrote:
I’m disappointed that NVDA cannot do this- To my knowledge, no screen reader can do this. You're talking about a situation where multi-select is in use, and a screen reader can only have focus in one place at one time. It's not like a collection of file names in File Explorer is a always a chunk of text that's contiguous, though it can be. But even when it is, what the screen reader has focus on when the selection is complete is the last item selected. I imagine it would be conceptually possible to write something that would go through the File Explorer file list and read only those things currently selected. The need for same has been infrequent enough that it hasn't been asked for and if the list of selected items were long it very quickly becomes beyond the human ability to hold information in mind. In searching GitHub this issue has been under discussion for several years because there is really no "good way" that anyone can figure out for NVDA to handle all the issues involved gracefully. See: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/5005 I could swear there is a way in NVDA now to read the status bar that tells you how many items are selected in File Explorer. I need to dig some on that. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041 A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally. ~ Oscar Wilde
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Actually voiceover can infact do this. I hear the names of the itmes selected and or the number of items selected when I hit a command. So it can in theory be possible. -- Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website. Check out my adventures with a shadow machine. to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter Our discord is where you will know when we go live on twitch. Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there. For stream archives, products you can buy and more visit my main lbry page and my tffp lbry page You will also be able to buy some of my products and eBooks there. Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here
On 17 Sep 2020, at 13:10, Brian Vogel wrote:
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Sarah,
I am not clear about what you're saying. I know that VoiceOver announces the name of each selected item as it's added to the collection of things selected, but so do most screen readers. But I have never seen VoiceOver have the ability, after you've created that collection of selected items, read the names in that collection "all at once" after selection is complete. The way I'm reading the initial request, and it would be under Windows, is that if Janet is selecting Janet.doc, Brandly.pdf, Group.txt, and Spreadsheet.xlsx, that afterward there should be a way to trigger what amounts to a "read all for selected items only," where the screen reader would say something like, "Selected, 4 files, Janet.doc, Brandly.pdf, Group.txt, Spreadsheet.xlsx." I have never worked with a screen reader that does this. It will announce each as it's added to the selection collection, but there's no post-selection way to have the screen reader give you a file-by-file list of what's been collected. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041 A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally. ~ Oscar Wilde
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Hi, A bit tricky, as it’ll require asking the list control how many items are there and selection count based on state. In case of Janet’s request, part of this has to do with not being able to read status bar information in File Explorer. It is possible to do this easily in more recent NVDA – all that needs to be done is locating the status bar control. As for how VoiceOver can read names of selected items, one important thing to remember is that this is a completely different operating system. Cheers, Joseph
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 3:29 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading names of selected files
Sarah, Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041 A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally. ~ Oscar Wilde
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Janet Brandly
Window-Eyes used to do this. I could select files from a list, confirm that they were in fact selected, then do what I wanted with them … print, copy, move, etc.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: September 17, 2020 4:29 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading names of selected files
Sarah, Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041 A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally. ~ Oscar Wilde
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Lukasz Golonka
Hello,
I believe, though may be wrong about this since I haven't been using VoiceOver for a few years now that it is in deed possible to report what items are selected on a list after selection is done. On Windows JAWS can certainly report selected items on Windows Explorer list when pressing JAWS+Shift_+Down arrow. For NVDA the same can be accomplished with an add-on called Columns Review in this case the command to report selected items is NVDA+Shift+Up arrow. This add-on is available from the official add-ons website in the section for add-onns under development. -- Regards Lukasz
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Lukasz,
I don't know of a single screen reader that won't report an item as selected or unselected if you are actually arrowing through a list. But that's not what appears to be being asked for here. Can you imagine a File Explorer window where you selected the 15th file and the 363rd file and had to manually traverse them listening to whether each is selected or not? If you can tell me a JAWS, or NVDA command, whether from the screen reader itself or from an script or add-on, that allows you to get the screen reader to say the number of items selected followed by reading their names I'd like to hear about it, as that's what's being asked for (or, if it isn't, then Janet needs to clarify). -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041 A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally. ~ Oscar Wilde
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Lukasz Golonka
The command for JAWS and add-on for NVDA which I've mentioned in my
previous message both do exactly that. -- Regards Lukasz On Thu, 17 Sep 2020 16:13:09 -0700 "Brian Vogel" <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote: Lukasz,
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David Griffith
Dear Lucas
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I have just tried this with Jaws and you are entirely correct. I selected 6 non contiguous files, that is with control space to make sure that they were not adjacent to each other, and following your instructions of pressing Jaws plus shift plus down arrow Jaws did indeed read out a list of the files which had been selected, omitting all of the files which were not selected. I had no idea Jaws could do this even though I have used it for over 20 years so many thanks for educating me here. I can see how this would be a useful feature in NVDA. David G.
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Lukasz Golonka Sent: 17 September 2020 23:52 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading names of selected files Hello, I believe, though may be wrong about this since I haven't been using VoiceOver for a few years now that it is in deed possible to report what items are selected on a list after selection is done. On Windows JAWS can certainly report selected items on Windows Explorer list when pressing JAWS+Shift_+Down arrow. For NVDA the same can be accomplished with an add-on called Columns Review in this case the command to report selected items is NVDA+Shift+Up arrow. This add-on is available from the official add-ons website in the section for add-onns under development. -- Regards Lukasz
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David Griffith
But Lucas has shown a method where Jaws will announce the 15th and 300th file if they are selected without you having to arrow through. David G
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: 18 September 2020 00:13 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading names of selected files
Lukasz, Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041 A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally. ~ Oscar Wilde
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Gene
Meantime, here is how you can tell which files are selected using NVDA. After you select the files, hold control and go backk to the first one you selected. You can go farther up if you want, just keep holding control.
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Keep holding control and move down. Any files that are unselected will say unselected after the name is announced. Any files that are selected won't say anything after the name. They don't say selected. But since you hear unselected, you will know if you didn't select anything you intended to or selected things you didn't intend to. If you come across a file that is selected or unselected by mistake, while on the filename, press the space bar while continuing to hold control. The file state will be changed and you will hear the current state announced.. Gene
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From: David Griffith Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 6:24 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading names of selected files Dear Lucas I have just tried this with Jaws and you are entirely correct. I selected 6 non contiguous files, that is with control space to make sure that they were not adjacent to each other, and following your instructions of pressing Jaws plus shift plus down arrow Jaws did indeed read out a list of the files which had been selected, omitting all of the files which were not selected. I had no idea Jaws could do this even though I have used it for over 20 years so many thanks for educating me here. I can see how this would be a useful feature in NVDA. David G. -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Lukasz Golonka Sent: 17 September 2020 23:52 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading names of selected files Hello, I believe, though may be wrong about this since I haven't been using VoiceOver for a few years now that it is in deed possible to report what items are selected on a list after selection is done. On Windows JAWS can certainly report selected items on Windows Explorer list when pressing JAWS+Shift_+Down arrow. For NVDA the same can be accomplished with an add-on called Columns Review in this case the command to report selected items is NVDA+Shift+Up arrow. This add-on is available from the official add-ons website in the section for add-onns under development. -- Regards Lukasz
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Janet Brandly
Hi Gene,
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I'll give that a try. Hopefully this is something that can be looked into soon since I'm not the only one with this issue. Thanks all, Janet
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Sent: September 17, 2020 7:17 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading names of selected files Meantime, here is how you can tell which files are selected using NVDA. After you select the files, hold control and go backk to the first one you selected. You can go farther up if you want, just keep holding control. Keep holding control and move down. Any files that are unselected will say unselected after the name is announced. Any files that are selected won't say anything after the name. They don't say selected. But since you hear unselected, you will know if you didn't select anything you intended to or selected things you didn't intend to. If you come across a file that is selected or unselected by mistake, while on the filename, press the space bar while continuing to hold control. The file state will be changed and you will hear the current state announced.. Gene -----Original Message----- From: David Griffith Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 6:24 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading names of selected files Dear Lucas I have just tried this with Jaws and you are entirely correct. I selected 6 non contiguous files, that is with control space to make sure that they were not adjacent to each other, and following your instructions of pressing Jaws plus shift plus down arrow Jaws did indeed read out a list of the files which had been selected, omitting all of the files which were not selected. I had no idea Jaws could do this even though I have used it for over 20 years so many thanks for educating me here. I can see how this would be a useful feature in NVDA. David G. -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Lukasz Golonka Sent: 17 September 2020 23:52 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading names of selected files Hello, I believe, though may be wrong about this since I haven't been using VoiceOver for a few years now that it is in deed possible to report what items are selected on a list after selection is done. On Windows JAWS can certainly report selected items on Windows Explorer list when pressing JAWS+Shift_+Down arrow. For NVDA the same can be accomplished with an JAWS+add-on called Columns Review in this case the command to report selected items is NVDA+Shift+Up arrow. This add-on is available from the official add-ons website in the section for add-onns under development. -- Regards Lukasz
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On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 07:27 PM, David Griffith wrote:
But Lucas has shown a method where Jaws will announce the 15th and 300th file if they are selected without you having to arrow through.- Which is every bit as much a revelation to me as it was to you. I could swear I've done what he instructed in the past, and it didn't do that. This result is far more useful, that's for certain! -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041 A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally. ~ Oscar Wilde
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