I don't know what Windows 10 does, Windows 7 displays a status line you can

read that tells you the number of files selected.

As I recall, the NVDA command to read what is selected only applies to
text.
Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Janet Brandly
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 9:27 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Reading names of selected files



Hello all,

I’m using the latest NVDA (not the beta) with windows 10 I’m trying to move

some files from my downloads folder into my documents folder and using the
shift + down-arrow keys to select them, but NVDA isn’t confirming that
they’re
selected when I use the “read selected text” command. Is there a better
command to use to confirm that files are selected for moving, copying, ect?

Thanks,

Janet

Normally, as Gene noted, you should be able to use NVDA+end / NVDA+shift+end to read the status bar, however there is a bug preventing that from Working in File Explorer in Windows 10 - https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6769

One thing you can do, is use NVDA's next and previous object commands (NVDA+numpad 4 / NVDA+shift+left arrow for previous, NVDA+numpad 6 / NVDA+shift+right arrow for next).  That will move object navigation through the items in the list.  One quirk is it won't announce "selected" for items which are selected, but will announce "not selected" for items which are not selected.  (It's not so much a bug as, 99% of the time people are moving through the list one item at a time and don't want to hear every item as selected).

Quentin.

On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 12:39 PM Aravind R <aravind.andhrabank@...> wrote:

use tab and shift+tab to ensure you are in list view for selecting files.

On 17/09/2020, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
> I don't know what Windows 10 does, Windows 7 displays a status line you  can
>
> read that tells you the number of files selected.
>
> As I recall, the NVDA command to read what is selected only applies to
> text.
> Gene
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Janet Brandly
> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 9:27 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: [nvda] Reading names of selected files
>
>
>
> Hello all,
>
> I’m using the latest NVDA (not the beta) with windows 10 I’m trying to move
>
> some files from my downloads folder into my documents folder and using the
> shift + down-arrow keys to select them, but NVDA isn’t confirming that
> they’re
> selected when I use the “read selected text” command. Is there a better
> command to use to confirm that files are selected for moving, copying, ect?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Janet
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


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mobile no: +91 9940369593,
email id : aravind_069@..., aravind.andhrabank@....
aravind.rajendran@....

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Hello Quentin!

Ther is a add-on, develloped by me, that allows the reading of status bar in Windows 10 File explorer...

You can get it at:

https://www.tiflotecnia.net/ZExplorer.nvda-addon

The option that I think Janet wants does not exist in NVDA, meaning that NVDA have no way to read the name of selected files...

Rui Fontes

NVDA portuguese team

Normally, as Gene noted, you should be able to use NVDA+end / NVDA+shift+end to read the status bar, however there is a bug preventing that from Working in File Explorer in Windows 10 - https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6769

 

One thing you can do, is use NVDA's next and previous object commands (NVDA+numpad 4 / NVDA+shift+left arrow for previous, NVDA+numpad 6 / NVDA+shift+right arrow for next).  That will move object navigation through the items in the list.  One quirk is it won't announce "selected" for items which are selected, but will announce "not selected" for items which are not selected.  (It's not so much a bug as, 99% of the time people are moving through the list one item at a time and don't want to hear every item as selected).

 

Quentin.

 

On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 12:39 PM Aravind R <aravind.andhrabank@...> wrote:

use tab and shift+tab to ensure you are in list view for selecting files.

On 17/09/2020, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
> I don't know what Windows 10 does, Windows 7 displays a status line you  can
>
> read that tells you the number of files selected.
>
> As I recall, the NVDA command to read what is selected only applies to
> text.
> Gene
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Janet Brandly
> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 9:27 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: [nvda] Reading names of selected files
>
>
>
> Hello all,
>
> I’m using the latest NVDA (not the beta) with windows 10 I’m trying to move
>
> some files from my downloads folder into my documents folder and using the
> shift + down-arrow keys to select them, but NVDA isn’t confirming that
> they’re
> selected when I use the “read selected text” command. Is there a better
> command to use to confirm that files are selected for moving, copying, ect?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Janet
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


--


--
--
nothing is difficult unless you make it appear so.

r. aravind,

manager
Department of sales
bank of baroda specialised mortgage store, Chennai.
mobile no: +91 9940369593,
email id : aravind_069@..., aravind.andhrabank@....
aravind.rajendran@....

 

 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 

Web: www.nvaccess.org 

Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/

User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess

Hello Quentin!

Ther is a add-on, develloped by me, that allows the reading of status bar in Windows 10 File explorer...

You can get it at:

https://www.tiflotecnia.net/ZExplorer.nvda-addon

The option that I think Janet wants does not exist in NVDA, meaning that NVDA have no way to read the name of selected files...

Rui Fontes

NVDA portuguese team

Normally, as Gene noted, you should be able to use NVDA+end / NVDA+shift+end to read the status bar, however there is a bug preventing that from Working in File Explorer in Windows 10 - https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6769

 

One thing you can do, is use NVDA's next and previous object commands (NVDA+numpad 4 / NVDA+shift+left arrow for previous, NVDA+numpad 6 / NVDA+shift+right arrow for next).  That will move object navigation through the items in the list.  One quirk is it won't announce "selected" for items which are selected, but will announce "not selected" for items which are not selected.  (It's not so much a bug as, 99% of the time people are moving through the list one item at a time and don't want to hear every item as selected).

 

Quentin.

 

On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 12:39 PM Aravind R <aravind.andhrabank@...> wrote:

use tab and shift+tab to ensure you are in list view for selecting files.

On 17/09/2020, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
> I don't know what Windows 10 does, Windows 7 displays a status line you  can
>
> read that tells you the number of files selected.
>
> As I recall, the NVDA command to read what is selected only applies to
> text.
> Gene
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Janet Brandly
> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 9:27 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: [nvda] Reading names of selected files
>
>
>
> Hello all,
>
> I’m using the latest NVDA (not the beta) with windows 10 I’m trying to move
>
> some files from my downloads folder into my documents folder and using the
> shift + down-arrow keys to select them, but NVDA isn’t confirming that
> they’re
> selected when I use the “read selected text” command. Is there a better
> command to use to confirm that files are selected for moving, copying, ect?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Janet
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


--


--
--
nothing is difficult unless you make it appear so.

r. aravind,

manager
Department of sales
bank of baroda specialised mortgage store, Chennai.
mobile no: +91 9940369593,
email id : aravind_069@..., aravind.andhrabank@....
aravind.rajendran@....

 

 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 

Web: www.nvaccess.org 

Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/

User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess

On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 01:08 PM, Janet Brandly wrote:

I’m disappointed that NVDA cannot do this

-
To my knowledge, no screen reader can do this.  You're talking about a situation where multi-select is in use, and a screen reader can only have focus in one place at one time.

It's not like a collection of file names in File Explorer is a always a chunk of text that's contiguous, though it can be.  But even when it is, what the screen reader has focus on when the selection is complete is the last item selected.

I imagine it would be conceptually possible to write something that would go through the File Explorer file list and read only those things currently selected.  The need for same has been infrequent enough that it hasn't been asked for and if the list of selected items were long it very quickly becomes beyond the human ability to hold information in mind.   In searching GitHub this issue has been under discussion for several years because there is really no "good way" that anyone can figure out for NVDA to handle all the issues involved gracefully.  See:  https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/5005 

I could swear there is a way in NVDA now to read the status bar that tells you how many items are selected in File Explorer.  I need to dig some on that.
 
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Sarah,

           I am not clear about what you're saying.  I know that VoiceOver announces the name of each selected item as it's added to the collection of things selected, but so do most screen readers.  But I have never seen VoiceOver have the ability, after you've created that collection of selected items, read the names in that collection "all at once" after selection is complete.

           The way I'm reading the initial request, and it would be under Windows, is that if Janet is selecting Janet.doc, Brandly.pdf, Group.txt, and Spreadsheet.xlsx, that afterward there should be a way to trigger what amounts to a "read all for selected items only," where the screen reader would say something like, "Selected, 4 files, Janet.doc, Brandly.pdf, Group.txt, Spreadsheet.xlsx."

            I have never worked with a screen reader that does this.  It will announce each as it's added to the selection collection, but there's no post-selection way to have the screen reader give you a file-by-file list of what's been collected.

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A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.

          ~ Oscar Wilde

Sarah,

           I am not clear about what you're saying.  I know that VoiceOver announces the name of each selected item as it's added to the collection of things selected, but so do most screen readers.  But I have never seen VoiceOver have the ability, after you've created that collection of selected items, read the names in that collection "all at once" after selection is complete.

           The way I'm reading the initial request, and it would be under Windows, is that if Janet is selecting Janet.doc, Brandly.pdf, Group.txt, and Spreadsheet.xlsx, that afterward there should be a way to trigger what amounts to a "read all for selected items only," where the screen reader would say something like, "Selected, 4 files, Janet.doc, Brandly.pdf, Group.txt, Spreadsheet.xlsx."

            I have never worked with a screen reader that does this.  It will announce each as it's added to the selection collection, but there's no post-selection way to have the screen reader give you a file-by-file list of what's been collected.

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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.

          ~ Oscar Wilde

Lukasz,

           I don't know of a single screen reader that won't report an item as selected or unselected if you are actually arrowing through a list.  But that's not what appears to be being asked for here.  Can you imagine a File Explorer window where you selected the 15th file and the 363rd file and had to manually traverse them listening to whether each is selected or not?

            If you can tell me a JAWS, or NVDA command, whether from the screen reader itself or from an script or add-on, that allows you to get the screen reader to say the number of items selected followed by reading their names I'd like to hear about it, as that's what's being asked for (or, if it isn't, then Janet needs to clarify).
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.

          ~ Oscar Wilde