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NVDA reading names of selected files in a file list


 

Hi,

Narrator might not be able to do this either.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Janet Brandly
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 10:56 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA reading names of selected files in a file list

 

Hello all,

I was a loyal Window-Eyes user for more than 20 years, but when it was bought out, I didn’t want anything to do with it. That’s when I switched to NVDA. So far I have been very pleased. However, I am disappointed that NVDA cannot perform this basic function. As for the add-on, as others have said, there needs to be some up-to-date supporting documentation. And, when I went to install it yesterday, I got a message indicating that it is not compatible with the newest version of NVDA. For philosophical and financial reasons, I will not use JAWS. Fortunately, at this time, selecting and manipulating files from a list is not something I have to do regularly. I will try some of the work-arounds some have mentioned; perhaps Narrator can do this?

Thanks for the comments and suggestions,

Janet


Janet Brandly
 

Hello all,

I was a loyal Window-Eyes user for more than 20 years, but when it was bought out, I didn’t want anything to do with it. That’s when I switched to NVDA. So far I have been very pleased. However, I am disappointed that NVDA cannot perform this basic function. As for the add-on, as others have said, there needs to be some up-to-date supporting documentation. And, when I went to install it yesterday, I got a message indicating that it is not compatible with the newest version of NVDA. For philosophical and financial reasons, I will not use JAWS. Fortunately, at this time, selecting and manipulating files from a list is not something I have to do regularly. I will try some of the work-arounds some have mentioned; perhaps Narrator can do this?

Thanks for the comments and suggestions,

Janet


Gene
 

But since so many add-ons use their own commands, it would be good to include that information somewhere.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Mullins
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 11:02 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading names of selected files



Hi Brian

You use the standard NVDA command for “read status bar”, NVDA+End



Cheers

Chris





From: Brian Vogel
Sent: 18 September 2020 16:50
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading names of selected files





Rui,

Now the question is, "How does one use the add-on?"

I've got it installed, and I've gone to the NVDA Help Menu, Running Add-Ons Documentation, Add Status Bar Reading and the only thing that's displayed in the browser for help is, "Addon ZExplorer, Allows the correct obtaining of the status bar content." It would be useful to have this documentation give the keystroke or keystrokes and change the title from "Addon ZExplorer" to "Add Status Bar Reading" so that it matches what shows up in the menu structure.

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Chris,

           Thanks very much.

           The documentation still needs to be updated to reflect this since Add-Ons very often don't use the native shortcuts.

           The relatively new feature of having add-ons documentation available within NVDA itself makes it really important that all of them have something substantive that tells you about how to use them.  Very often, that may be a line or two, maybe a couple of paragraphs, but having it there for reference is critical.

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A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.

          ~ Oscar Wilde

 


Rui Fontes
 

Exato!


Rui


Às 16:50 de 18/09/2020, Brian Vogel escreveu:

Rui,

        Now the question is, "How does one use the add-on?"

        I've got it installed, and I've gone to the NVDA Help Menu, Running Add-Ons Documentation, Add Status Bar Reading and the only thing that's displayed in the browser for help is, "Addon ZExplorer, Allows the correct obtaining of the status bar content."   It would be useful to have this documentation give the keystroke or keystrokes and change the title from "Addon ZExplorer" to "Add Status Bar Reading" so that it matches what shows up in the menu structure.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.

          ~ Oscar Wilde

 


Chris Mullins
 

Hi Brian

You use the standard NVDA command for “read status bar”, NVDA+End

 

Cheers

Chris

 

From: Brian Vogel
Sent: 18 September 2020 16:50
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading names of selected files

 

Rui,

        Now the question is, "How does one use the add-on?"

        I've got it installed, and I've gone to the NVDA Help Menu, Running Add-Ons Documentation, Add Status Bar Reading and the only thing that's displayed in the browser for help is, "Addon ZExplorer, Allows the correct obtaining of the status bar content."   It would be useful to have this documentation give the keystroke or keystrokes and change the title from "Addon ZExplorer" to "Add Status Bar Reading" so that it matches what shows up in the menu structure.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.

          ~ Oscar Wilde

 

 


 

Rui,

        Now the question is, "How does one use the add-on?"

        I've got it installed, and I've gone to the NVDA Help Menu, Running Add-Ons Documentation, Add Status Bar Reading and the only thing that's displayed in the browser for help is, "Addon ZExplorer, Allows the correct obtaining of the status bar content."   It would be useful to have this documentation give the keystroke or keystrokes and change the title from "Addon ZExplorer" to "Add Status Bar Reading" so that it matches what shows up in the menu structure.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.

          ~ Oscar Wilde

 


Rui Fontes
 

Yes, it is a manifest.ini problem with some final versions of NVDA...

Without any change in the manifest.ini was working alright in the last Alpha...


Rui Fontes


Às 16:27 de 18/09/2020, Brian Vogel escreveu:

Rui,

           FYI, that version of the Add-On is allowing it to be installed.  The original would not install for me, either.
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.

          ~ Oscar Wilde

 


 

Rui,

           FYI, that version of the Add-On is allowing it to be installed.  The original would not install for me, either.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.

          ~ Oscar Wilde

 


Rui Fontes
 

Very strange!

Maybe some problem in manifest.ini...


Try this one:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/1icqocjs6xztdh7/ZExplorer_1.0_Gen.nvda-addon?dl=1


Rui Fontes

NVDA portuguese team


Às 18:43 de 17/09/2020, Janet Brandly escreveu:

Hello Rui,

I just had a look at your addon and it doesn’t seem to be compatible with the latest stable version of NVDA. That’s unfortunate.

Janet

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rui Fontes
Sent: September 17, 2020 4:20 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading names of selected files

 

Hello Quentin!

 

Ther is a add-on, develloped by me, that allows the reading of status bar in Windows 10 File explorer...

You can get it at:

https://www.tiflotecnia.net/ZExplorer.nvda-addon

 

The option that I think Janet wants does not exist in NVDA, meaning that NVDA have no way to read the name of selected files...

 

Rui Fontes

NVDA portuguese team

 

 

Às 09:16 de 17/09/2020, Quentin Christensen escreveu:

Normally, as Gene noted, you should be able to use NVDA+end / NVDA+shift+end to read the status bar, however there is a bug preventing that from Working in File Explorer in Windows 10 - https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6769

 

One thing you can do, is use NVDA's next and previous object commands (NVDA+numpad 4 / NVDA+shift+left arrow for previous, NVDA+numpad 6 / NVDA+shift+right arrow for next).  That will move object navigation through the items in the list.  One quirk is it won't announce "selected" for items which are selected, but will announce "not selected" for items which are not selected.  (It's not so much a bug as, 99% of the time people are moving through the list one item at a time and don't want to hear every item as selected).

 

Quentin.

 

On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 12:39 PM Aravind R <aravind.andhrabank@...> wrote:

use tab and shift+tab to ensure you are in list view for selecting files.

On 17/09/2020, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
> I don't know what Windows 10 does, Windows 7 displays a status line you  can
>
> read that tells you the number of files selected.
>
> As I recall, the NVDA command to read what is selected only applies to
> text.
> Gene
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Janet Brandly
> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 9:27 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: [nvda] Reading names of selected files
>
>
>
> Hello all,
>
> I’m using the latest NVDA (not the beta) with windows 10 I’m trying to move
>
> some files from my downloads folder into my documents folder and using the
> shift + down-arrow keys to select them, but NVDA isn’t confirming that
> they’re
> selected when I use the “read selected text” command. Is there a better
> command to use to confirm that files are selected for moving, copying, ect?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Janet
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


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email id : aravind_069@..., aravind.andhrabank@....
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Training and Support Manager

 


Quentin Christensen
 

Thanks Rui, that's handy!

And yes, all of these are workarounds for the original issue, which btw we do have an issue for: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/5005


On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 8:20 PM Rui Fontes <rui.fontes@...> wrote:

Hello Quentin!


Ther is a add-on, develloped by me, that allows the reading of status bar in Windows 10 File explorer...

You can get it at:

https://www.tiflotecnia.net/ZExplorer.nvda-addon


The option that I think Janet wants does not exist in NVDA, meaning that NVDA have no way to read the name of selected files...


Rui Fontes

NVDA portuguese team



Às 09:16 de 17/09/2020, Quentin Christensen escreveu:
Normally, as Gene noted, you should be able to use NVDA+end / NVDA+shift+end to read the status bar, however there is a bug preventing that from Working in File Explorer in Windows 10 - https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6769

One thing you can do, is use NVDA's next and previous object commands (NVDA+numpad 4 / NVDA+shift+left arrow for previous, NVDA+numpad 6 / NVDA+shift+right arrow for next).  That will move object navigation through the items in the list.  One quirk is it won't announce "selected" for items which are selected, but will announce "not selected" for items which are not selected.  (It's not so much a bug as, 99% of the time people are moving through the list one item at a time and don't want to hear every item as selected).

Quentin.

On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 12:39 PM Aravind R <aravind.andhrabank@...> wrote:
use tab and shift+tab to ensure you are in list view for selecting files.

On 17/09/2020, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
> I don't know what Windows 10 does, Windows 7 displays a status line you  can
>
> read that tells you the number of files selected.
>
> As I recall, the NVDA command to read what is selected only applies to
> text.
> Gene
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Janet Brandly
> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 9:27 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: [nvda] Reading names of selected files
>
>
>
> Hello all,
>
> I’m using the latest NVDA (not the beta) with windows 10 I’m trying to move
>
> some files from my downloads folder into my documents folder and using the
> shift + down-arrow keys to select them, but NVDA isn’t confirming that
> they’re
> selected when I use the “read selected text” command. Is there a better
> command to use to confirm that files are selected for moving, copying, ect?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Janet
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


--


--
--
nothing is difficult unless you make it appear so.

r. aravind,

manager
Department of sales
bank of baroda specialised mortgage store, Chennai.
mobile no: +91 9940369593,
email id : aravind_069@..., aravind.andhrabank@....
aravind.rajendran@....







--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager



--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


 

On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 06:52 PM, Janet Brandly wrote:
Window-Eyes used to do this.
-
Interesting.  While I did play with Window-Eyes, it was very, very briefly.  And once it was acquired by Freedom Scientific and deprecated I never touched it again.
 
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On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 07:27 PM, David Griffith wrote:
But Lucas has shown a method where  Jaws will announce  the 15th and 300th file if they are selected without  you having to arrow through.
-
Which is every bit as much a revelation to me as it was to you.  I could swear I've done what he instructed in the past, and it didn't do that.  This result is far more useful, that's for certain!
 
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Janet Brandly
 

Hi Gene,
I'll give that a try. Hopefully this is something that can be looked into soon since I'm not the only one with this issue.
Thanks all,
Janet

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: September 17, 2020 7:17 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading names of selected files

Meantime, here is how you can tell which files are selected using NVDA.
After you select the files, hold control and go backk to the first one you selected. You can go farther up if you want, just keep holding control.
Keep holding control and move down. Any files that are unselected will say unselected after the name is announced. Any files that are selected won't say anything after the name. They don't say selected. But since you hear unselected, you will know if you didn't select anything you intended to or selected things you didn't intend to. If you come across a file that is selected or unselected by mistake, while on the filename, press the space bar while continuing to hold control. The file state will be changed and you will hear the current state announced..

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: David Griffith
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 6:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading names of selected files

Dear Lucas

I have just tried this with Jaws and you are entirely correct.
I selected 6 non contiguous files, that is with control space to make sure that they were not adjacent to each other, and following your instructions of pressing Jaws plus shift plus down arrow Jaws did indeed read out a list of the files which had been selected, omitting all of the files which were not selected. I had no idea Jaws could do this even though I have used it for over 20 years so many thanks for educating me here.
I can see how this would be a useful feature in NVDA.

David G.
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Lukasz Golonka
Sent: 17 September 2020 23:52
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading names of selected files

Hello,

I believe, though may be wrong about this since I haven't been using VoiceOver for a few years now that it is in deed possible to report what items are selected on a list after selection is done. On Windows JAWS can certainly report selected items on Windows Explorer list when pressing
JAWS+Shift_+Down arrow. For NVDA the same can be accomplished with an
JAWS+add-on
called Columns Review in this case the command to report selected items is
NVDA+Shift+Up arrow. This add-on is available from the official add-ons
website in the section for add-onns under development.

--
Regards
Lukasz


Gene
 

Meantime, here is how you can tell which files are selected using NVDA. After you select the files, hold control and go backk to the first one you selected. You can go farther up if you want, just keep holding control.
Keep holding control and move down. Any files that are unselected will say unselected after the name is announced. Any files that are selected won't say anything after the name. They don't say selected. But since you hear unselected, you will know if you didn't select anything you intended to or selected things you didn't intend to. If you come across a file that is selected or unselected by mistake, while on the filename, press the space bar while continuing to hold control. The file state will be changed and you will hear the current state announced..

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: David Griffith
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 6:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading names of selected files

Dear Lucas

I have just tried this with Jaws and you are entirely correct.
I selected 6 non contiguous files, that is with control space to make sure that they were not adjacent to each other, and following your instructions of pressing Jaws plus shift plus down arrow Jaws did indeed read out a list of the files which had been selected, omitting all of the files which were not selected. I had no idea Jaws could do this even though I have used it for over 20 years so many thanks for educating me here.
I can see how this would be a useful feature in NVDA.

David G.
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Lukasz Golonka
Sent: 17 September 2020 23:52
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading names of selected files

Hello,

I believe, though may be wrong about this since I haven't been using VoiceOver for a few years now that it is in deed possible to report what items are selected on a list after selection is done. On Windows JAWS can certainly report selected items on Windows Explorer list when pressing JAWS+Shift_+Down arrow. For NVDA the same can be accomplished with an add-on called Columns Review in this case the command to report selected items is NVDA+Shift+Up arrow. This add-on is available from the official add-ons website in the section for add-onns under development.

--
Regards
Lukasz


David Griffith
 

 

But Lucas has shown a method where  Jaws will announce  the 15th and 300th file if they are selected without  you having to arrow through.

David G

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: 18 September 2020 00:13
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading names of selected files

 

Lukasz,

           I don't know of a single screen reader that won't report an item as selected or unselected if you are actually arrowing through a list.  But that's not what appears to be being asked for here.  Can you imagine a File Explorer window where you selected the 15th file and the 363rd file and had to manually traverse them listening to whether each is selected or not?

            If you can tell me a JAWS, or NVDA command, whether from the screen reader itself or from an script or add-on, that allows you to get the screen reader to say the number of items selected followed by reading their names I'd like to hear about it, as that's what's being asked for (or, if it isn't, then Janet needs to clarify).
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.

          ~ Oscar Wilde

 


David Griffith
 

Dear Lucas

I have just tried this with Jaws and you are entirely correct.
I selected 6 non contiguous files, that is with control space to make sure that they were not adjacent to each other, and following your instructions of pressing Jaws plus shift plus down arrow Jaws did indeed read out a list of the files which had been selected, omitting all of the files which were not selected. I had no idea Jaws could do this even though I have used it for over 20 years so many thanks for educating me here.
I can see how this would be a useful feature in NVDA.

David G.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Lukasz Golonka
Sent: 17 September 2020 23:52
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading names of selected files

Hello,

I believe, though may be wrong about this since I haven't been using VoiceOver for a few years now that it is in deed possible to report what items are selected on a list after selection is done. On Windows JAWS can certainly report selected items on Windows Explorer list when pressing JAWS+Shift_+Down arrow. For NVDA the same can be accomplished with an add-on called Columns Review in this case the command to report selected items is NVDA+Shift+Up arrow. This add-on is available from the official add-ons website in the section for add-onns under development.

--
Regards
Lukasz


Lukasz Golonka
 

The command for JAWS and add-on for NVDA which I've mentioned in my
previous message both do exactly that.

--
Regards
Lukasz

On Thu, 17 Sep 2020 16:13:09 -0700
"Brian Vogel" <@britechguy> wrote:

Lukasz,

           I don't know of a single screen reader that won't report an item as selected or unselected if you are actually arrowing through a list.  But that's not what appears to be being asked for here.  Can you imagine a File Explorer window where you selected the 15th file and the 363rd file and had to manually traverse them listening to whether each is selected or not?

            If you can tell me a JAWS, or NVDA command, whether from the screen reader itself or from an script or add-on, that allows you to get the screen reader to say the number of items selected followed by reading their names I'd like to hear about it, as that's what's being asked for (or, if it isn't, then Janet needs to clarify).
--
Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  
A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.
          ~ Oscar Wilde
 


 

Lukasz,

           I don't know of a single screen reader that won't report an item as selected or unselected if you are actually arrowing through a list.  But that's not what appears to be being asked for here.  Can you imagine a File Explorer window where you selected the 15th file and the 363rd file and had to manually traverse them listening to whether each is selected or not?

            If you can tell me a JAWS, or NVDA command, whether from the screen reader itself or from an script or add-on, that allows you to get the screen reader to say the number of items selected followed by reading their names I'd like to hear about it, as that's what's being asked for (or, if it isn't, then Janet needs to clarify).
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.

          ~ Oscar Wilde

 


Lukasz Golonka
 

Hello,

I believe, though may be wrong about this since I haven't been using
VoiceOver for a few years now that it is in deed possible to report what
items are selected on a list after selection is done. On Windows JAWS
can certainly report selected items on Windows Explorer list when
pressing JAWS+Shift_+Down arrow. For NVDA the same can be accomplished
with an add-on called Columns Review in this case the command to report
selected items is NVDA+Shift+Up arrow. This add-on is available from the
official add-ons website in the section for add-onns under development.

--
Regards
Lukasz