Is there any way to stop Windows 10 updates from interfering with my settings?


JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

Hi everyone.

 

So I’ve heard all the arguments and I’m not here to bitch about Windows always wanting to update itself. However, I must say I am very annoyed. Sometimes, when Windows updates, changes I have made continually are getting revoked, and reset back to their original values. Examples would be Windows Mobile Device Centre, which at some point between Anniversary and Creators’ update disabled a setting that I need to use my old Windows ME device with the computer (a Braille note, if anyone’s curious). Cortana reactivates itself even though I specifically took action to disable it. More pertinently to this list, a while ago I became very annoyed at the long pauses Microsoft Core voice inserts between sentences and after detecting a comma. I was instructed by a very helpful person on this list to edit an .ini file, which, although it was not quite in the location he specified, did the trick very nicely. Well, here we go again: nVDA, using MS Core voices, is pausing for as much as two seconds between sentences, and I hate it. Of course, I’m going to go back into that .ini file, and change it again. How long before Microsoft, in their infinite wisdom, decides that no, I really don’t want things set the way I say I want, and undoes what I took time and effort to change? How can I prevent this sort of garbage from happening, or is this just the kind of thing PC users have to live with nowadays?

 

Thanks in advance for any help.

 

JM

 


Roger Stewart
 

I have the same complaint.  It appears that Windows is going into your programs and rewriting the ini files for some of them.  This is the only way this can happen.  It messes with my sound settings every time there's a major version update!

Roger







On 12/21/2017 2:54 PM, JM Casey wrote:

Hi everyone.

 

So I’ve heard all the arguments and I’m not here to bitch about Windows always wanting to update itself. However, I must say I am very annoyed. Sometimes, when Windows updates, changes I have made continually are getting revoked, and reset back to their original values. Examples would be Windows Mobile Device Centre, which at some point between Anniversary and Creators’ update disabled a setting that I need to use my old Windows ME device with the computer (a Braille note, if anyone’s curious). Cortana reactivates itself even though I specifically took action to disable it. More pertinently to this list, a while ago I became very annoyed at the long pauses Microsoft Core voice inserts between sentences and after detecting a comma. I was instructed by a very helpful person on this list to edit an .ini file, which, although it was not quite in the location he specified, did the trick very nicely. Well, here we go again: nVDA, using MS Core voices, is pausing for as much as two seconds between sentences, and I hate it. Of course, I’m going to go back into that .ini file, and change it again. How long before Microsoft, in their infinite wisdom, decides that no, I really don’t want things set the way I say I want, and undoes what I took time and effort to change? How can I prevent this sort of garbage from happening, or is this just the kind of thing PC users have to live with nowadays?

 

Thanks in advance for any help.

 

JM

 



 

Well in the case of modified files you can always put them to another location as backup.

As for settings its probably easy if there are generic settings to change things back but yeah  thats every feature update.

Windows also happily creates recovery partitions for everything and doesn't clear the others and without a clear way to clear things safely via a gui which could be free I am not sure if it is, I guess every few upgradess I will reformat and all the problems will go away but thats ms for you.

On 22/12/2017 9:54 a.m., JM Casey wrote:
Hi everyone.


So I've heard all the arguments and I'm not here to bitch about Windows
always wanting to update itself. However, I must say I am very annoyed.
Sometimes, when Windows updates, changes I have made continually are getting
revoked, and reset back to their original values. Examples would be Windows
Mobile Device Centre, which at some point between Anniversary and Creators'
update disabled a setting that I need to use my old Windows ME device with
the computer (a Braille note, if anyone's curious). Cortana reactivates
itself even though I specifically took action to disable it. More
pertinently to this list, a while ago I became very annoyed at the long
pauses Microsoft Core voice inserts between sentences and after detecting a
comma. I was instructed by a very helpful person on this list to edit an
.ini file, which, although it was not quite in the location he specified,
did the trick very nicely. Well, here we go again: nVDA, using MS Core
voices, is pausing for as much as two seconds between sentences, and I hate
it. Of course, I'm going to go back into that .ini file, and change it
again. How long before Microsoft, in their infinite wisdom, decides that no,
I really don't want things set the way I say I want, and undoes what I took
time and effort to change? How can I prevent this sort of garbage from
happening, or is this just the kind of thing PC users have to live with
nowadays?


Thanks in advance for any help.


JM



Brian's Mail list account
 

Yes indeed I saw the same thing on my lode Windows 10 machine. Worse, as you say legacy software gets removed and you have to reinstall it.

I was pretty annoyed as the patched copy of Outlook Express I have works very well on 7 and did on 10 also, but every time a major update came along it orphaned off the software, amongst other old stuff like drivers and one had to spend half a day trying to fix it all again. There really is not reason for it, ie if they are worried that something may not work, then just warn us that this might occur, and we can take pot luck.

Sorry I feel very passionate about this continual adding of new features at the expense of familiar working ones.
Its a bit like new lamps for old in the old Aladdin fairy tale. No I want my old trusty lamp as it had known quirks, but not the new quirks on the new program.

If I had 10 pounds for everyone who has had issues with the Windows 10 Email client not working after an update, at least with a screenreader, I'd have had enough to have a nice cruise by now.
Bah humbug!

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "JM Casey" <crystallogic@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2017 8:54 PM
Subject: [nvda] Is there any way to stop Windows 10 updates from interfering with my settings?


Hi everyone.



So I've heard all the arguments and I'm not here to bitch about Windows
always wanting to update itself. However, I must say I am very annoyed.
Sometimes, when Windows updates, changes I have made continually are getting
revoked, and reset back to their original values. Examples would be Windows
Mobile Device Centre, which at some point between Anniversary and Creators'
update disabled a setting that I need to use my old Windows ME device with
the computer (a Braille note, if anyone's curious). Cortana reactivates
itself even though I specifically took action to disable it. More
pertinently to this list, a while ago I became very annoyed at the long
pauses Microsoft Core voice inserts between sentences and after detecting a
comma. I was instructed by a very helpful person on this list to edit an
.ini file, which, although it was not quite in the location he specified,
did the trick very nicely. Well, here we go again: nVDA, using MS Core
voices, is pausing for as much as two seconds between sentences, and I hate
it. Of course, I'm going to go back into that .ini file, and change it
again. How long before Microsoft, in their infinite wisdom, decides that no,
I really don't want things set the way I say I want, and undoes what I took
time and effort to change? How can I prevent this sort of garbage from
happening, or is this just the kind of thing PC users have to live with
nowadays?



Thanks in advance for any help.



JM




JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

It's ok. I understand your passion about the topic. At least, I am really
beginning to. I used an XP machine until early this year, believe it or not
-- but we got on Windows 10 at work. The administrators were very good about
regulating updates and keeping things running, but still sometimes stuff got
broken. And now, on my home machine, it's getting personal, you know?

And that's really pretty awful that MS decides they can just go and break
drivers, software, etc. Even if we're smart enough to figure out exactly
what happens, as you say, sometimes it takes half a day to fix this crap.

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Sent: December 22, 2017 3:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is there any way to stop Windows 10 updates from
interfering with my settings?

Yes indeed I saw the same thing on my lode Windows 10 machine. Worse, as you
say legacy software gets removed and you have to reinstall it.

I was pretty annoyed as the patched copy of Outlook Express I have works
very well on 7 and did on 10 also, but every time a major update came along
it orphaned off the software, amongst other old stuff like drivers and one
had to spend half a day trying to fix it all again. There really is not
reason for it, ie if they are worried that something may not work, then just
warn us that this might occur, and we can take pot luck.

Sorry I feel very passionate about this continual adding of new features at
the expense of familiar working ones.
Its a bit like new lamps for old in the old Aladdin fairy tale. No I want
my old trusty lamp as it had known quirks, but not the new quirks on the new
program.

If I had 10 pounds for everyone who has had issues with the Windows 10 Email
client not working after an update, at least with a screenreader, I'd have
had enough to have a nice cruise by now.
Bah humbug!

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "JM Casey" <crystallogic@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2017 8:54 PM
Subject: [nvda] Is there any way to stop Windows 10 updates from interfering
with my settings?


Hi everyone.



So I've heard all the arguments and I'm not here to bitch about
Windows always wanting to update itself. However, I must say I am very
annoyed.
Sometimes, when Windows updates, changes I have made continually are
getting revoked, and reset back to their original values. Examples
would be Windows Mobile Device Centre, which at some point between
Anniversary and Creators'
update disabled a setting that I need to use my old Windows ME device
with the computer (a Braille note, if anyone's curious). Cortana
reactivates itself even though I specifically took action to disable
it. More pertinently to this list, a while ago I became very annoyed
at the long pauses Microsoft Core voice inserts between sentences and
after detecting a comma. I was instructed by a very helpful person on
this list to edit an .ini file, which, although it was not quite in
the location he specified, did the trick very nicely. Well, here we go
again: nVDA, using MS Core voices, is pausing for as much as two
seconds between sentences, and I hate it. Of course, I'm going to go
back into that .ini file, and change it again. How long before
Microsoft, in their infinite wisdom, decides that no, I really don't
want things set the way I say I want, and undoes what I took time and
effort to change? How can I prevent this sort of garbage from
happening, or is this just the kind of thing PC users have to live
with nowadays?



Thanks in advance for any help.



JM




JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

Yes. I guess making backups of every file I change is sensible practice. Not
even necessarily so I can fix something I break myself by accident, but so
it's easier to set right what MS puts wrong. What a world. Haha

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun
Everiss
Sent: December 21, 2017 9:43 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is there any way to stop Windows 10 updates from
interfering with my settings?

Well in the case of modified files you can always put them to another
location as backup.

As for settings its probably easy if there are generic settings to change
things back but yeah  thats every feature update.

Windows also happily creates recovery partitions for everything and doesn't
clear the others and without a clear way to clear things safely via a gui
which could be free I am not sure if it is, I guess every few upgradess I
will reformat and all the problems will go away but thats ms for you.




On 22/12/2017 9:54 a.m., JM Casey wrote:
Hi everyone.



So I've heard all the arguments and I'm not here to bitch about
Windows always wanting to update itself. However, I must say I am very
annoyed.
Sometimes, when Windows updates, changes I have made continually are
getting revoked, and reset back to their original values. Examples
would be Windows Mobile Device Centre, which at some point between
Anniversary and Creators'
update disabled a setting that I need to use my old Windows ME device
with the computer (a Braille note, if anyone's curious). Cortana
reactivates itself even though I specifically took action to disable
it. More pertinently to this list, a while ago I became very annoyed
at the long pauses Microsoft Core voice inserts between sentences and
after detecting a comma. I was instructed by a very helpful person on
this list to edit an .ini file, which, although it was not quite in
the location he specified, did the trick very nicely. Well, here we go
again: nVDA, using MS Core voices, is pausing for as much as two
seconds between sentences, and I hate it. Of course, I'm going to go
back into that .ini file, and change it again. How long before
Microsoft, in their infinite wisdom, decides that no, I really don't
want things set the way I say I want, and undoes what I took time and
effort to change? How can I prevent this sort of garbage from
happening, or is this just the kind of thing PC users have to live with
nowadays?



Thanks in advance for any help.



JM




JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

Yeah…it’s such a pain, and seems blatantly to disregard the user/customer’s wishes.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Roger Stewart
Sent: December 21, 2017 7:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is there any way to stop Windows 10 updates from interfering with my settings?

 

I have the same complaint.  It appears that Windows is going into your programs and rewriting the ini files for some of them.  This is the only way this can happen.  It messes with my sound settings every time there's a major version update!

Roger







On 12/21/2017 2:54 PM, JM Casey wrote:

Hi everyone.

 

So I’ve heard all the arguments and I’m not here to bitch about Windows always wanting to update itself. However, I must say I am very annoyed. Sometimes, when Windows updates, changes I have made continually are getting revoked, and reset back to their original values. Examples would be Windows Mobile Device Centre, which at some point between Anniversary and Creators’ update disabled a setting that I need to use my old Windows ME device with the computer (a Braille note, if anyone’s curious). Cortana reactivates itself even though I specifically took action to disable it. More pertinently to this list, a while ago I became very annoyed at the long pauses Microsoft Core voice inserts between sentences and after detecting a comma. I was instructed by a very helpful person on this list to edit an .ini file, which, although it was not quite in the location he specified, did the trick very nicely. Well, here we go again: nVDA, using MS Core voices, is pausing for as much as two seconds between sentences, and I hate it. Of course, I’m going to go back into that .ini file, and change it again. How long before Microsoft, in their infinite wisdom, decides that no, I really don’t want things set the way I say I want, and undoes what I took time and effort to change? How can I prevent this sort of garbage from happening, or is this just the kind of thing PC users have to live with nowadays?

 

Thanks in advance for any help.

 

JM

 

 


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Its why I've not rushed out and bought that windows 10 computer and why I have never 10 on my windows 7 one.
Its a balancing act between ease of use, productivity and the every changing world really. I'm not knocking improvement and change, I just feel we do not think things through before things are changed.The recent example of this was Firefox. I got so annoyed with them for foisting a barely functional browser on us, that I went back to the ESR. If they had, say six months ago, told us theory were going down the route they were, then we would have been prepared, but no it just happened one day to many people with access software. Not a good message to disabled people at all.

Microsoft while doing good things in some arenas, often seem to suffer from this split personality where they seem to not value us in the mainstream while providing cutting edge stuff for use directly in another.

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "JM Casey" <crystallogic@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2017 4:58 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is there any way to stop Windows 10 updates from interfering with my settings?


It's ok. I understand your passion about the topic. At least, I am really
beginning to. I used an XP machine until early this year, believe it or not
-- but we got on Windows 10 at work. The administrators were very good about
regulating updates and keeping things running, but still sometimes stuff got
broken. And now, on my home machine, it's getting personal, you know?

And that's really pretty awful that MS decides they can just go and break
drivers, software, etc. Even if we're smart enough to figure out exactly
what happens, as you say, sometimes it takes half a day to fix this crap.



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Sent: December 22, 2017 3:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is there any way to stop Windows 10 updates from
interfering with my settings?

Yes indeed I saw the same thing on my lode Windows 10 machine. Worse, as you
say legacy software gets removed and you have to reinstall it.

I was pretty annoyed as the patched copy of Outlook Express I have works
very well on 7 and did on 10 also, but every time a major update came along
it orphaned off the software, amongst other old stuff like drivers and one
had to spend half a day trying to fix it all again. There really is not
reason for it, ie if they are worried that something may not work, then just
warn us that this might occur, and we can take pot luck.

Sorry I feel very passionate about this continual adding of new features at
the expense of familiar working ones.
Its a bit like new lamps for old in the old Aladdin fairy tale. No I want
my old trusty lamp as it had known quirks, but not the new quirks on the new
program.

If I had 10 pounds for everyone who has had issues with the Windows 10 Email
client not working after an update, at least with a screenreader, I'd have
had enough to have a nice cruise by now.
Bah humbug!

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "JM Casey" <crystallogic@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2017 8:54 PM
Subject: [nvda] Is there any way to stop Windows 10 updates from interfering
with my settings?


Hi everyone.



So I've heard all the arguments and I'm not here to bitch about
Windows always wanting to update itself. However, I must say I am very
annoyed.
Sometimes, when Windows updates, changes I have made continually are
getting revoked, and reset back to their original values. Examples
would be Windows Mobile Device Centre, which at some point between
Anniversary and Creators'
update disabled a setting that I need to use my old Windows ME device
with the computer (a Braille note, if anyone's curious). Cortana
reactivates itself even though I specifically took action to disable
it. More pertinently to this list, a while ago I became very annoyed
at the long pauses Microsoft Core voice inserts between sentences and
after detecting a comma. I was instructed by a very helpful person on
this list to edit an .ini file, which, although it was not quite in
the location he specified, did the trick very nicely. Well, here we go
again: nVDA, using MS Core voices, is pausing for as much as two
seconds between sentences, and I hate it. Of course, I'm going to go
back into that .ini file, and change it again. How long before
Microsoft, in their infinite wisdom, decides that no, I really don't
want things set the way I say I want, and undoes what I took time and
effort to change? How can I prevent this sort of garbage from
happening, or is this just the kind of thing PC users have to live
with nowadays?



Thanks in advance for any help.



JM